For the Haters: B.J. Penn and Karo Parisyan

by Kid Nate on Mar 18, 2009 7:16 PM EDT in MMA News

Since everyone seems to enjoy hating on B.J. Penn and Karo Parisyan so much, here are two updates.

From Fighters Only (by way of MMA Mania):

We're looking for a return, we have to defend the lightweight title. It's been long, it's been overdue since we defended the lightweight title. I had to heal up some of my injuries that I suffered from the Georges St. Pierre fight. I'm all good now so we're gonna move forward with my same team, my same camp and we're gonna make a run to defend the lightweight title - I think it's either late July or early August.

And Fightlinker does this interesting bit of research on Karo Parisyan's $32,000 fine. Here are the recent fines paid by other fighters suspended for drugs:

James Irvin - NSAC - Pain Killers - $1000

Justin Levens - CSAC - Painkillers - $1000

Carina Damm - CSAC - Steroids - $2500

Alexandre Nogueira - CSAC - Steroids - $2500

Antonio Silva - CSAC - Steroids - $2500

Ken Shamrock - CSAC - Steroids - $2500

Chris Leben - UFC - Steroids - $8250

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Ouch – it’s clear CSAC was trying to send a message. I guess that’s what you get when your drug screen looks like Ozzy Osbourne’s.

by Shack on Mar 18, 2009 4:28 PM EDT reply actions

OH MY GOD NATE, THERE MUST BE A CONSPIRACY AFOOT!

by WeeZiTe on Mar 18, 2009 4:30 PM EDT reply actions

feel free to do a fanpost

if you crack the secret code.

"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"

by Kid Nate on Mar 18, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions

Karo's penalty was just.....

….because he won the fight. Kim was cheated out of a possible win bonus. I like this decision.

by Dexerion on Mar 18, 2009 4:33 PM EDT reply actions

I think you are on the right track…

The fight was overturned from a win to a “No Contest” so Karo lost most of his winning bonus.

by SanDiegoMMA.net on Mar 18, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions

Didn’t Karo still take home more after this monetary fine and getting the win than he would’ve had he lost the fight (and he easily could’ve lost that decision, and I’ve been a Karo fan) and not had any fine to pay? Things could be worse.

Penn keeping the same camp…….not surprising I guess.

by Hardcharger on Mar 18, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions

Dont forget taxes

Karo has to pay income tax on the full 80K. If this is his only income he would owe around $16K in taxes. Added to the 32K fine, Karo only comes out with 32K. This is around what he would have made after losing the fight and paying taxes, so in essence they fined away his win bonus.

by Graven Image on Mar 18, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions

It’s obviously pre-tax fine and not post tax fine. He still earns 48k which is still 8k more than he should have earned.

by cyph on Mar 18, 2009 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions

What makes you think Karo has to pay income taxes on the full 80k? Not saying you’re wrong, just asking. I am in the tax business so I find that idea fascinating. I have no life and I hate myself.

by MattTil on Mar 18, 2009 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions

Take it easy bro, it could be worse. You could be in the insurance biz.

by klown on Mar 18, 2009 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions

Bro.

"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."

by AJB on Mar 18, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions

I assume he has already received his paycheck from the UFC. I dont think you can call it a pretax fine. After further search, however, it does look tax deductible as a business expense. See here. So then he wouldn’t be taxed on it.

by Graven Image on Mar 19, 2009 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions

You’re probably right. If that’s the logic, I think his whole win bonus should have been forfeit and his actual show pay should be cut. Karo got 40K to show, 40K to win. He probably should have lost that whole 40K, plus the actual penalty. After all, the fight was overturned to a NC, so he didn’t actually win anything, thus should probably lose the bonus he got for nothing. Right?

by pud333 on Mar 18, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions

it's a percentage base fine

Those guys weren’t getting paid what karo was.

by adamdd on Mar 18, 2009 4:42 PM EDT reply actions

It’s clearly not.

Karo – $32k/$80k = 40% of total purse
Antonio Silva – $2500/$200k = 1.25% of total purse
James Irvin = $1k/$20k = 10% of total purse.

by ilostmydog on Mar 18, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions

Your stats are off

1/20 is 5, not 10
Who taught you math??
I have no evidence of this but I highly doubt that anyone paid Antonio Silva $200,000 as well

by GroundNPound561 on Mar 18, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions

Ha, yeah, I made a booboo. Regardless, the point stands. And yeah, Antonio Silva made $200k. $100k + $100k win bonus.

http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=6798&zoneid=13

by ilostmydog on Mar 18, 2009 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions

On "Haters" and BJ Penn

I’ve been vocal about my opposition to BJ and his “stunts” lately, but I – and I think I speak for a lot of people on this – never wanted or tried to “hate on” him. I love BJ… when he fights. I even love how hard he tries to hype fights. He’s fantastically talented, and I have never seen him in a boring fight. But that being said, he needs to stop acting like a spoiled child star, because he is: A) holding up the LW division; B) tarnishing his own reputation; C) dragging down the reputations of others*; and, D) turning MMA into a litigious nightmare almost single-handedly. I don’t want to read about BJ’s video editing, or his lawyer saying how he could have died, or his mom making statements to the NSAC. I want to read about BJ fighting; I want to WATCH BJ FIGHT. Specifically, I want to watch him fight Kenny Florian, because I think it’ll be a fantastic fight and we will have been waiting for OVER A YEAR now by the time that happens… if it happens when we think it will, since it’s not even signed yet!

There’s a difference between being so frustrated with someone that you want to slap them just to see if they live in this reality, and “hating” on them. Problem is, BJ just hasn’t done much recently that hasn’t inspired that frustration.

*Not that some of the others need any help with that, but still, let them rise or fall on their own merits (or lack thereof).

"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."

by AJB on Mar 18, 2009 4:44 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs

There’s a difference between being so frustrated with someone that you want to slap them just to see if they live in this reality, and "hating" on them. Problem is, BJ just hasn’t done much recently that hasn’t inspired that frustration.

Nail on the head.

by pud333 on Mar 18, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions

Had to rec that. Well said.

by who me on Mar 19, 2009 2:17 AM EDT up reply actions

by Nick Thomas on Mar 18, 2009 4:46 PM EDT reply actions

Bro.

by Derek Suboticki on Mar 18, 2009 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions

Bro =(

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Mar 19, 2009 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions

Penn

Good to see Penn dig in his heels and keep his same team and camp in place, the one that is keeping him in a state of stasis while the sport of MMA evolves past him.

As always, yes men are not positives

by missmanners on Mar 18, 2009 4:47 PM EDT reply actions

Life is simple for the untalented—work hard and succeed or slack and fail.

Life is complex for the talented— slack and succeed most of the time (for a while) or work hard and succeed most of the time

by casey manrique on Mar 18, 2009 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions

Life is simple for an internet poster… You can talk shit about other mens hard work without showing what you have done for yourself. BJ Penn is a fighter whether you like it or not and is still better than 95% of the fighters out there.

GSP is now the Yankees of MMA. All the bandwagoners have jumped on and proclaimed him the second son of god and everyone hates BJ because he talked shit to promote the fight against him. If these antics had happened with Joe Stevenson nobody would have cared. Everyone bought into GSP’s blowhard sports cliche talk and everyone talks about how the man is so humble even though he wears designer suits anytime you see him out of the octagon. Pathetic.

by Dropkick434 on Mar 18, 2009 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions

wow, someone really needs a hug. i think the reason alot of the “bandwagoners have jumped on” GSP probably has something to do with the fact that GSP, unlike BJ Penn, wins his fights. i think the reason people “hates” BJ is because he loves to talk about his opponent and when he loses offers nothing but excuses. also i am not sure what wearing nice clothes has to doing with being humble. i think it would be nice if you actually knew what the definition of humble is.

"King of NBA Live '09"

by #5mmafan on Mar 18, 2009 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions

Humble
  1. Marked by meekness or modesty in behavior, attitude, or spirit; not arrogant or prideful.
   2. Showing deferential or submissive respect: a humble apology.
   3. Low in rank, quality, or station; unpretentious or lowly: a humble cottage.

Humble is being down to earth and generally simple. Wearing 5,000 dollar suits is hardly either. What is your definition of humble? You can’t even use punctuation so don’t even talk about definitions.

by Dropkick434 on Mar 19, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions

well webster defines humble as this

1: not proud or haughty : not arrogant or assertive

so where does price of clothes fit into this definition, and how do you know how much his clothes cost. do you inspect his labels? also i didnt know you were my english teacher grading my internet forum post and comments for grammatical errors.

"King of NBA Live '09"

by #5mmafan on Mar 19, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions

Are you from Hawaii by any chance?

I don’t even like GSP, I was speaking to my observations of super talented athletes across the sports spectrum. When they prepare diligently they get good results and when they don’t they still get good results. The temptation to find the line where they can get by usually catches up to them and they either cowboy up and prepare better next time or they quit their sport out of frustration. It’s most apparent in individual sports like golf, motocross, cycling and especially fighting because there’s no room to hide.

And if you want to see how well I prepare check out my first pro fight at Sportfight 25 on April 3rd;)

by casey manrique on Mar 19, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions

Karo's Fine Seems Too High

The last example of a winner being suspended and the victory overturned I could think of was Diaz/Gomi.

I looked up the fine on Diaz and it was only $3000. I don’t quite understand the reason why Karo’s fine is so high all of a sudden.

Wish it wasn’t too much to ask for consistency from these commissions.

-- FightCritic

by Armen on Mar 18, 2009 6:03 PM EDT reply actions

3 times the drugs 3 times the fee? Even like this, you can’t compare roids and painkillers can you?

by spectaa on Mar 18, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions

“In the future, should any contestant, boxing and/or mixed martial artist, be given as a part of their compensation a bonus, and if they find themselves in front of [the commission] on a disciplinary matter involving the ingestion of a prohibited substance, that the win portion of their compensation will be immediately forfeited — if they’re found guilty — will be immediately forfeited to the state,” Bailey said in his motion. “And then we will assess punishment, monetary punishment, on the remaining guaranteed portion of their compensation.”

by cyph on Mar 18, 2009 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions

Yep it seems that this wasn’t them picking on the guy it was an escalation of the severity of fines. Heck by the sound of it Karo got off easy compared to what they are planning to do in the future.

by who me on Mar 19, 2009 2:22 AM EDT up reply actions

I preferred BJ when he was badass, talking the talk walking the walk, licking blood and shit. GTFO your suit BJ.

by spectaa on Mar 18, 2009 6:09 PM EDT reply actions

I preferred B.J. when he was on his back with GSP smashing his face in. That was a good look for him. And as others have said, its funny that big bad B.J. had to have mommy come defend his bullshit hearing.

by attgnp on Mar 18, 2009 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions

well there are only so many Joe Daddys and Jens Pulvers in the world to look good against. maybe next he can KO a guy while he is taking off his Gi….. but i digress

"King of NBA Live '09"

by #5mmafan on Mar 18, 2009 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions

Want to post some of your fight videos so we can see how bad ass you are?

by Dropkick434 on Mar 18, 2009 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions

How about you just wait and post BJ’s next fight and we’ll see how badass HE is.

Really, I think there is a place for people to criticize someone who is doing questionable things when it relates to their job. Just as much so, there’s no place to tell some dude over the internet to “post some of your fight videos” just because he dosen’t think like you think.

by Kaleb Kelchner on Mar 18, 2009 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions

The difference with us is that we don’t do like BJ and act like we are the “greatest mind” in mma or the baddest fucking thing walking the earth, and then bitch and make excuses for when we get smashed.

by attgnp on Mar 18, 2009 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions

I don’t claim to be a professional MMA fighter nor do I claim that I plan on murdering opponents in the cage. Professional fighters and internet posters are two entirely different things. Athletes get paid to perform in public and part of that involves criticism from fans, the people who pay the bills( fans) can say whatever they want because they are the ones paying the bills.

by who me on Mar 19, 2009 2:26 AM EDT up reply actions

Are you really so gullible that you thought he wanted to murder GSP? Wow. Fighter bashing used to be taboo, on bloodyelbow its mandatory. And its pitiful the people hate on BJ because he called GSP out on cheating.

by Dropkick434 on Mar 19, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions

Wandy vs Yuki Kondo? Why bring that fight up?

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on Mar 18, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions

i was alluding to the fact that people look to be more than they actually are against inferior opponents

"King of NBA Live '09"

by #5mmafan on Mar 18, 2009 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions

Yuki Kondo? I thought that was Nakamura.

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Mar 19, 2009 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions

Is Penn using the “Royal We”?

by George Lucas on Mar 18, 2009 6:35 PM EDT reply actions

I think he is talking as his camp…but this is BJ, so who knows.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Mar 18, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions

i appreciate the help with the BJ hating, but we got all the ammunition we ever needed when he brought his mommy with him to the hearing.

"King of NBA Live '09"

by #5mmafan on Mar 18, 2009 6:36 PM EDT reply actions

The fodder just never seems to end.

I get giddy thinking about what he’s going to do next week. Post a video of his crying girlfriend and perhaps his whimpering dog, with delicately sad piano in the background slowly playing up the tragedy that is his life since losing to GSP.

The Karo fine didn’t seem that bad to me, but holy, compared to the others it does seem a little unfair. Maybe they’re starting anew and ramping up the fines. Makes sense. Had they fined Karo 1 or 2 grand, it probably wouldn’t ’have deterred them.

by Dooda on Mar 18, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions

WTF are you talking about?

by Dropkick434 on Mar 18, 2009 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions

Where’s the confusion?

The fodder on hating BJ Penn. Crying girlfriends (a la having his mom testify on his behalf at the commission).

The Karo fine seemed pretty fair to me until I saw the other fines, then I deduced that perhaps they’re trying to start ramping up the penalties as more of a deterrence. 1 or 2 thousand probably wasn’t much of a deterrence.

You’re a real keyboard warrior btw. Getting into people’s face and having bad manners is so easy on the internet. You go boy.

by Dooda on Mar 19, 2009 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions