Nevada's Athletic Commission Takes No Disciplinary Action in 'GreaseGate' Saga
by Cannon Jacques on Mar 18, 2009 8:40 AM EDT
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In unsurprising news, the Nevada State Athletic Commission took no action against Georges St. Pierre and his camp after formally hearing testimony from B.J. Penn and others. MMA Weekly has the scoop:
After lengthy testimony from both camps, including Penn and his mother, NSAC Commissioner Bill Brady promised to take under advisement several of the issues brought forth by the controversial fight.
Before the proceedings began, NSAC Executive Director Keith Kizer clarified that no disciplinary measures would be taken during the meeting, and the review’s role was to present findings given to him by both parties. The Commission would decide any further action....
“It’s up to the commission to decide how much further they want to formally go on this,” Kizer said afterwards. “They could make regulatory changes, they could issue some sort of directive to me or the inspectors or referees to handle situations differently,” he said.
However, Kizer maintained he would not issue a complaint against St. Pierre or his camp.“I have no plans to bring anything against anybody in this case,” he continued.
It appears that the NSAC will likely initiate some rule changes that should make incidents of this nature less likely to occur in the future. Judging from the comments of Keith Kizer, the commission seems unwilling to penalize St. Pierre in any way.
I wonder how far Penn is going to take his complaints from here. One would hope that he'll stop short of letting this - what looks to be a vendetta against St. Pierre - significantly affect the progression of his career and his upcoming bout with Kenny Florian.
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After lengthy testimony from both camps, including Penn and his mother
What? Why is Penn’s mother testifying?
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by themachiavellian on Mar 17, 2009 6:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
MOOOOM!!!! I got beat up, can you call the school
by MonkeyCHops on Mar 17, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice of BJ's mommy ...
… to come stick up for him when the other kids at school are mean.
What a fucking joke.
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by The Kittitas Kid on Mar 17, 2009 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
rec'd
BJ has brought massive fail upon his reputation and legacy. What an embarrassment.
by a tommy point on Mar 17, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow. I mean, having your mom or dad show up to testify… that would have been embarrassing in grade school.
Who is running the show over at the Penn camp?
by toxic on Mar 18, 2009 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
here’s BJ’s Mum’s letter: http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/?go=forum_framed.posts&forum=1&thread=1433170&page=1&pc=39
“I was horrified with fear. My son was going to be seriously hurt because he could not defend himself.”
by Benicio on Mar 18, 2009 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Penn’s mother, Lorraine Shin, read a statement where she accused the Commission of not doing its duty to protect fighters."
Valuable expert testimony, that.
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by The Kittitas Kid on Mar 17, 2009 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So the commission should have known BEFORE THE FIGHT that Phil Nurse was going to put some vaseline on GSPafter the first round and suspended him before the fight?
by ufc4 on Mar 17, 2009 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only way to protect BJ during that fight would have been to tie up GSP.
Keep firing Assholes!
by Ubernoober on Mar 17, 2009 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
+rec for speaking the truth and making me smile.
by Benicio on Mar 18, 2009 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
futhamucker!
I’m glad I wasn’t taking a drink when I read that… :D
by VikingPhotography on Mar 18, 2009 7:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was the first thing that jumped out at me. BJ’s mommy testified? I can’t think of a more perfect metaphor to wrap this whole temper-tantrum up into.
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by Lucas2 on Mar 17, 2009 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“While shying away from accusing St. Pierre directly, he questioned why the UFC welterweight was not in attendance.”
…if bringing you mom isn’t bad enough, he has to complain about GSP not being present…and why didn’t he accuse him in front of the Commission?…Oh yeah, he got his a** handed to him last time!
by Pablo-111 on Mar 17, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If BJ continues attacking GSP’s integrity calling him a cheater and such, at what point would it become slander?
Keep firing Assholes!
by Ubernoober on Mar 17, 2009 6:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m not sure, but I bet he’s banned in advance from BE.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Mar 17, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know. However, I wonder just far far BJ can take this thing?
by pud333 on Mar 17, 2009 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So now will we see GSP vs. Alves announced for UFC 100?
by SanDiegoMMA.net on Mar 17, 2009 6:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Kid Nate was unavailable for comment, he is in Nevada testifying on behalf of BJ and his mother.
by ufc4 on Mar 17, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
lol
you clowns can bite me. Dana White was far more outspoken and critical of GSP’s corner than I was and no one ever mentions that.
"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"
by Kid Nate on Mar 17, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s because Dana White is fucking awesome.
by ufc4 on Mar 17, 2009 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Kid Nate is only mildly awesome on a good day?
by Benicio on Mar 18, 2009 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Depends on if Nate is allowed to wear Aoki pants.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Mar 18, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Watch yourself, pal.
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Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Mar 18, 2009 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BJ is doing his best to help MMA so that smilar events are avoided in the future.
If it weren’t for BJs determination and moral integrity (something that cheaters do not have), change would have never taken its course.
Bravo BJ!
I applaud you.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Mar 17, 2009 6:50 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
did you type this with a straight face
by #5mmafan on Mar 17, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Buy an apostrophe.
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by The Kittitas Kid on Mar 17, 2009 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you being sarcastic?
It would be naive to believe that BJ Penn had altruistic intentions in sending and starting this issue. Has the thought that BJ maybe just wants an excuse for losing occurred to you? I just feel that it is a bit naive to believe that BJ is doing this solely “to help MMA so that similar events are avoided in the future.”
by chrisbboy82 on Mar 17, 2009 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t like to make assumptions as to other people’s intent, but I personally doubt BJ was doing this thinking, “This one’s for MMA!”
by pud333 on Mar 17, 2009 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s interesting to contrast this with the Karo situation and the discussion (or lack thereof) it spawned about rule changes.
I guess when you do something that affects another fighter, the regulatory process has a few more stakeholders arguing the case. But when you do something that affects only yourself, the commission is much less receptive to suggestions for change.
by George Lucas on Mar 17, 2009 6:50 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
i guess i dont understand how one affected “only yourself” .
by #5mmafan on Mar 17, 2009 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
by the alleged greasing, it affects the other fighter.
By affecting “only yourself” he means Karo’s use of pain killers. That didn’t make him hit Kim anyharder.
by SanDiegoMMA.net on Mar 17, 2009 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but maybe they allowed Karo to be hit harder by Kim
by #5mmafan on Mar 17, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that doesnt read right. they allowed Karo to endure more punishment
by #5mmafan on Mar 17, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It allowed him to BE hit though...
if you can’t feel things fully you’re at an advantage in a fight.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 17, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would make sense if the commission alleged that Karo was actually on those drugs during the fight.
by George Lucas on Mar 17, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He admitted he had taken them the same day as the fight.
by who me on Mar 18, 2009 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LMFAO at Penn having his mom there to read a statement about how
“to the death” BJ was put in a life threatening situation. Camp Yes Men is branching out to Camp Yes Men and Women.
by Hardcharger on Mar 17, 2009 7:18 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I keep going back to that “to the death” comment, and then the "I"m not joking about that" comment that comes afterwards. Rec’d.
by Dooda on Mar 18, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its because you haven't heard the full statement, it was cut in editing
What he said was “to the death, or the end of the 4th round..which ever comes first.”
by Razreshat on Mar 18, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hooray, Yippee and HUZZAH!!!!
Eat it, BJ!
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Mar 17, 2009 7:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
"My name is BJ Penn, and I finish fights…..with my mom’s help, cause she’s got my back!
;*P
by JAYGK95 on Mar 17, 2009 8:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This thing is getting from sad to funny now….
BJ – gotta call in the heavyweights to help out…. (mummy)
My god – does this disgracefulness ever end.
Give your head a shake BJ. You’re gonna go down in history allright…….
by sinister1 on Mar 17, 2009 8:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
As I said in the earlier post when it was mentioned he was filing his formal complaint:
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Dont think it is possible to prove intent.
Also not possible to test him after the fact for anything.
Not enough evidence to punish him on any of these grounds, only create stipulations for further precaution in pre-fight screenings in the future.
Wasting your time BJ."
Indeed he did waste his time, and apparently his mothers.
by DirtyML on Mar 17, 2009 8:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So BJ could save face (a miniscule bit) if he would openly state that he is satisfied that there would be further precautions taken and some more direct rules implemented to ensure that the grease issue would be a non-issue in future fights.
Somehow – I doubt that he would be capable of doing this though….. which only means that he’ll slide deeper into the shite pile …. he’s lost a lot of fans with his questionable antics thus far – can he turn it around? Or does he even give a crap….???
Strange man.
by sinister1 on Mar 17, 2009 8:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes, this whole grease gate is getting very old. However, how can all of you blame Penn for being pissed. The dude feels like he was cheated and he was. Did the vasoline make a difference? Clearly it did. Log onto B.J Penn and watch the video.com and you’ll see for yourselves. Just because Dana White says that the outcome would not have been different, doesn’t mean its true. In the sport of MMA a .000001% advantage can be the difference between winning and losing. With Penn being a bjj guy, clearly it had a dramatic affect on his style. I know I’ll be shot down as another Penn nuthugger for posting this, but to be honest, I don’t care for the guy too much. I was at 94 and won 8 out of my 9 parlays because of St. Pierre. I only state that to show that if I was indeed biased, it would be in St. Pierre’s direction. Do I think Penn would have won if GSP had not greased? No, I don’t. But, nontheless, Penn deserves a rematch. Contraversy aside, who’s to say that Penn simply did not have an off night? Every other fighter’s aloud one, but not Penn? Do you think Griffin would not deserve a rematch against Evans, because Evans crushed him the first time? The first fight was 50/50, clearly Penn got dominated in the second, but a third is still necessary. I feel that Penn would deserve another shot even if the greasing had not taken place. But it did, so a rematch is clearly in order. Their second fight ended with a question mark, not a period.
by Josh H. on Mar 17, 2009 9:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
a rematch?
how can you justify this comment? he is 0-3 @ WW since his return to the UFC. He didn’t deserve the last title shot. He needs to defend his LW title, and then take on the top three WW contenders before a “rematch”. By the way anyone can put together a video/gif in their favor (look for the Matt Hughes gif/video). BJ got owned in the stand up as well, He needs to man up and accept the loss, drop this vendetta, get a new camp and move on.
by Pablo-111 on Mar 17, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BJ ….see you can get hit…you are not invincible! Mommy lied to you.
by Pablo-111 on Mar 18, 2009 2:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the video you’re referring to is the same one that was circulated several weeks ago, I have to disagree about its worth. There was nothing new in it. It was merely clips of the fight and video of Sherk and Hughes talking about GSP being slippery set to music and arranged in a way to support Penn’s claims. I’ve seen nothing to indicate that GSP or his corner intentionally did anything to gain an unfair advantage. Clearly, the application of vaseline by Nurse showed an error in judgment, but it didn’t appear sinister or game changing for that matter.
I’m inclined to give GSP the benefit of the doubt unless something more damning comes out. I’ve seen nothing concrete that leads me to believe that he cheated. BJ Penn talks a lot and sometimes says some outrageous things as he did in the lead-up to the Sherk match. Most of that was to sell the fight. Is he trying to sell a potential rematch with GSP? Cynical minds want to know.
The penalties he sought against GSP in this instance were largely absurd. I don’t believe there’s anything the NSAC can do in way of punishment since no one can seem to produce a clear violation of the rules. Could the vaseline have helped GSP thwart Penn’s attempts to work from the bottom? Yes, if enough were applied. In my opinion, sweat and GSP’s posture did most of the thwarting. I don’t believe for a second that BJ’s plan was to fight from the bottom as he has stated. In fact, I’m pretty sure that he’s said in the past that working from the bottom isn’t a good strategy in MMA.
by Cannon Jacques on Mar 17, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Maybe his mommy told him to fight from the bottom
by soadtrails on Mar 17, 2009 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If his plan was to fight from the bottom, like he said after the fight, he sure spent a lot of energy in that first round (BEFORE the greasing) trying to avoid being takedown. Seems like an odd implementation of his so called “strategy”.
by ufc4 on Mar 17, 2009 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The video shows penns legs rapiidly sliding down the greased portion of GSP’s back numerous times. It’s content is very relavent. Even it it didn’t affect the outcome, it still tarnishes the fight. The only way to make it right is a rematch. I don’t believe that the application was simply a mistake. It looked pretty damn intentional to me. A holistic breathing treatment, come on now, you can’t seriously believe that.
by Josh H. on Mar 17, 2009 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many times does he need to beat the guy? He beat him the first time, he beat him the second time, he will beat him a third time.
by ufc4 on Mar 17, 2009 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t disagree that gsp would again, I just feel that Penn deserves a rematch do to the controversy.
by Josh H. on Mar 17, 2009 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No he doesn’t! That video was edited to show the same clip over and over @ a quicker speed than what actually happened, a la the Hughes gif. His strategy has been called in to question numerous times (why fight the take down in the 1st round?, why not pull gaurd?). He was dominated by a better man. Let it go. You don’t hear BJ’s opponents cryin’ and making excuses on why BJ dominated them. Where is Sherk, saying that BJ’s boxing was just too damm good, and Penn should have one hand tied behind his back to make thing fair in their rematch! If he should defend his LW title (looking very doubtful), then he can move up and fight to get another shot @ GSP.
by Pablo-111 on Mar 17, 2009 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that Penn certainly does not deserve an immediate rematch. I also agree that Penn would lose if a rematch were to occur. I just believe that Penn deserves another fight with gsp (if he beats florian and the top welterweights) due to the circumstances
by Josh H. on Mar 17, 2009 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s fine. I think an immediate rematch would be a huge mistake. Penn and GSP need to keep cleaning out their respective divisions. If people still want to see a third match down the road, that would be cool with me.
by Cannon Jacques on Mar 18, 2009 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d love to see it. I don’t think it will happen, but if Penn and Florian were added to 100, then some in ring smack talk between Penn and St. Pierre would be very sweet
by Josh H. on Mar 18, 2009 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also check that video again. It shows a member of the athletic commission rub down gsp pretty good after the application, and they even scold Nurse
by Josh H. on Mar 18, 2009 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Every single person on the internet has seen the contents of that video, since it is just rehashing and tweaking video from 94. Penn’s guard was negated due to sweat and positioning from GSP, not from any possible and minuscule Vaseline transfer from Phil Nurse’s fingers. As for the holistic breathing technique, it is a well documented one used by Stephen Friend, who many of the people in the UFC go to for various issues, including Matt Hughes and Dana White.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Mar 18, 2009 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BJ fans and those who love over-hyping fights do not know that GSP and BJ fought the 1st time. its been burned from their memory
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by #5mmafan on Mar 18, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Relevance isn’t the issue per se. Most of the stuff in the video was somewhat relevant. It’s importance. I saw all those examples before the video. Of course, different people see different things, but I don’t see anything the least bit damning except Nurse applying vaseline to GSP’s face then rubbing a portion of his back without wiping his hands first. I don’t remember the video emphasizing the athletic commission rep toweling GSP’s back.
There’s no doubt that this tarnishes the victory, but I see it as a regrettable misstep blown up into something that it’s not. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Mine is that you need to establish something as serious as cheating conclusively, and I don’t see that happening in this instance.
by Cannon Jacques on Mar 17, 2009 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think it tarnishes the victory at all, due to the infinitesimal difference the possible Vaseline would have caused due to the transfer from the stuff already on the fighters’ faces.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Mar 18, 2009 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lots of fighters have confirmed the “holistic breathing treatment” story because a lot of fighters have rubdowns done during the fight. Pat Miletich had a good statement in a recent interview about the subject.
I recently asked MMA legend Pat Miletich if he thought this was a serious issue in the sport. Miletich continues to corner most of the fighters who come out his Iowa-based Miletich Fighting System. Surprisingly, he thought that "grease-gate" was much ado about nothing.
"Trust me, BJ’s face rubbing against GSP’s arm and everything else while they were battling, got way more grease on GSP then GSP’s trainer rubbing on him," Miletich said.
"(Cornermen) have techniques for rubbing down a fighter’s thighs when they are in the corner. You know, massaging their thighs to get the lactic acid out of their legs. They massage their traps to loosen them up, rub their shoulders, too. That’s always been done in boxing. So, to me, there is going to be a lot more Vaseline coming off a guy’s face onto another guy’s body than anything else."
Miletich added that this sort of practice happens in almost every single MMA fight.
"People don’t even think about it," he said. "If I have Vaseline all over my face just in a boxing match, you know, when I am punching someone in a boxing match, the Vaseline gets all over my gloves. When we tie up, it gets all over a guy’s body.
"Now, imagine in a wrestling scenario with grappling and everything else going on. Your face is rubbing up all over a guy’s shoulder, all over his arms, all over his chest, all over the sides of his body when you are taking him down. There’s Vaseline all over everybody all the time. It doesn’t even matter."
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by who me on Mar 18, 2009 2:08 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Dude, you lost me when you said you won 8 out of 9 parlays, you’re obviously full of shit so the rest of your post is pretty much meaningless.
by ufc4 on Mar 17, 2009 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You do know this fight was BJ’s rematch with GSP right. He’d already fought him and lost once before, so now he needs a rematch of a rematch because the athletic commission representative might of not got all the grease off with a towel? I can understand him being upset over it but what BJ really needs to do now is get on with his career and defend the belt that he actually does have and worry about rematches of rematches when they actually may be feasable again because right now it just isn’t going to happen.
by who me on Mar 18, 2009 2:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had one parlay on Fitch, Machida, Bonnar and St. Pierre for $100 which I lost. And I had eight parlays of $100 a piece on Machida, Fitch and St. Pierre which I won. The dude at the sportsbook at New york, New York for some reason would only allow me to make a $100 max on my parlays, so I placed 9 of them. The insults aren’t necessary. I’m not one of those people who get on the internet and pretend to be millionaires. I simply stated that in my post so show that if anything, I would be biased towards St. Pierre rather than Penn. Had you read the next sentence, you would have seen that.
by Josh H. on Mar 17, 2009 11:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Then you didn’t win 8 and lose 1, you won 1 and lost 1, making the same bet 8 times doesn’t count as 8 different bets. And I apologize for the insult.
by ufc4 on Mar 17, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I simply stated that in my post so show that if anything, I would be biased towards St. Pierre rather than Penn.
More often, people make up statements like this to pretend that they are not in a biased view point, and if anything are biased the other way. Not accusing you, but way way way too many people say this.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Mar 18, 2009 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BJ totally dropped the ball by not mentioning Kenny Florian’s text messages warning him about GSP greasing. I’m sure he must have these very real messages saved somewhere. Everyone loves Florian, so BJ would have won his case.
by ilostmydog on Mar 17, 2009 11:44 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
at least bj is still undefeated according to his mom
by MonkeyCHops on Mar 17, 2009 11:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So does BJ lose a turn now, like in scrabble?
by casey manrique on Mar 17, 2009 11:47 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
maybe they will take away his rematch, i doubt he wants to go through that again
by MonkeyCHops on Mar 18, 2009 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was really solid.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Mar 18, 2009 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well at least the commission have spoken, the case is officially dead. Bj & his mom need to get over it and concentrate on defending their title (ufc champion & mom of the year).
by spectaa on Mar 18, 2009 12:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I can see him trying to bring GSP up in legal court for endangering his life.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Mar 18, 2009 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt greasegate (and hope also) is officially dead. BJ’s case is officially dead. If the commission doesn’t change the rules in some way I’ll probably will stop watching events completely. I’m sure I’ll still follow the ‘sport’ but if they let greasegate get by without a rules change they are effectively saying that greasing for a fight is alright. Call me homophobic or whatever (I have a military attitude don’t ask don’t advertise/tell), but I’ve always had a problem with half naked men greasing up to fight. Even if it’s just to take pictures for the promo. If they are going to do it in the ring then I’m not going to be a fan.
by natyong on Mar 18, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
So you’ll stop watching events but still follow the ‘sport’? WTF does that mean…..you’ll boycott the sport but you’ll still follow the sport? Why did you put sport in quotes?
On second thought, this doesn’t even really dignify a repsonse.
by soadtrails on Mar 18, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um...
There was already a rules change.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Mar 18, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was there? I haven’t been following all that closely. All I heard was that the UFC was going to change the way they did things not that a commission had actually changed a rule.
by natyong on Mar 18, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not April 1 yet, guys. Just so you know.
"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."
by AJB on Mar 18, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+Rec for the most ignorant comment posted this week! Give the man a prize.
by Benicio on Mar 18, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pathetic simply pathetic, this is the first time in the history of MMA where a losing fighter not only lost a fight but his respect and legacy all in one shot what a joke.
by Raker on Mar 18, 2009 12:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Penn and co have said that they talked to the NSAC prior to the bout. It is strange that nothing has ever been officially said about that. Neither Kizer nor any other NSAC official has confirmed that and it never came up during this meeting.
It is also interesting that now it is not Kenny Florian that warned them, but a freelance photographer.
by Lynchman on Mar 18, 2009 12:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Can we change the name of this scandal from “GreaseGate” to “MomGate” now?
by who me on Mar 18, 2009 2:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I vote we stop adding “gate” to the end of words because it’s incredibly stupid.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Mar 18, 2009 2:39 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If people stop saying and doing stupid things on the internet won’t things fall apart?
by who me on Mar 18, 2009 3:11 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
yeah if you think the economy is crap now, imagine if everyone on the internet was reasonable, america’s last great export would be gone
by MonkeyCHops on Mar 18, 2009 3:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The US doesn’t have the market cornered on internet stupidity (Youtube proves that).
by who me on Mar 18, 2009 4:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BJ, forget about it. After watching the first round, I knew you were going to lose. Stop whining and move on. …. MOMMY at hearing? ha ha ha … I hope BJ is reading the comments and realizing what an IDIOT he is and how he looks now from the MMA fans and fighters….BJ stands for BIG JOKE
by sure win on Mar 18, 2009 3:21 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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by Chris Nelson on Mar 18, 2009 4:28 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
The eyebrow has spoken.
"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."
by AJB on Mar 18, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He kinda looks like Shonie Carter – only slimmer
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by lovingmma25 on Mar 18, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not going to be suprised
if we never see Penn in the UFC again.
With his legal avenues basically all dried up, and a complete inability to take credit for the loss, I see him lashing out in irrational ways to explain the loss. The UFC and Dana might be a target, hell Kizer might be another.
I’m not going to be suprised if it comes to a threat of stripping his title to try and get him into the ring again.
by Razreshat on Mar 18, 2009 9:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Honestly that wouldn’t surprise me either. Dana White isn’t going to give him a rematch of a rematch because it doesn’t make business sense at this point and I’m sure they are getting tired of having the lightweight division basically on hold. Penn has accomplished a lot here and he has pretty much made sure that the athletic commissions will act to change the rules but he isn’t going to get his pound of flesh from GSP and he doesn’t seem to be able to move on.
by who me on Mar 18, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Sherdog has an interview with him after the hearing and he’s still pushing.
"I still want my fair fight," Penn told Sherdog.com in reference to his Jan. 31 bout against Georges St. Pierre at UFC 94 in Las Vegas. "I didn’t get my fair fight. I want my fair shot. That’s why I’m so adamant about those things."
I don’t think BJ will ever be able to let this go. He’ll be talking about this until he’s on his death bed, I’m sure.
I personally do want to see some rules changes though. I’m sure things will happen on that end.
by pud333 on Mar 18, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't Stand Him
I have been a BJ fan for awhile, but after this greasegate thing…well, I feel like everyone else in this forum. I am a member of bjpenn.com so I took my fustration to his forum. I proceeded to call him a p*ssy and now I am banned from the site. I would personally like to thank the site administrators at bjpenn.com for banning me.
by peato on Mar 18, 2009 10:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Are you a fan of the sport MMA?
I love all the hate toward BJ and his mom in this thread. I respect BJ more as a person and GSP less for seeing this through. As a fighter I don’t think any less of BJ or GSP. BJ was wronged intentionally or unintentionally and I would expect him to fight until his case is effectively finished.
If the fights a ‘no contest’ decision which BJ was praying for there is a chance for a rematch which he desperately wants as a Fighter! I can’t disrespect him for it.
For the “no rules” MMA fans I can definitely understand the animosity towards BJ, but if your a true fan of the sport to see shit like this go down and nothing happen is a stain on the sport. A sport regulated by commission and regulatory bodies (remember ABC’s rule changes) with no teeth is not a true sport. It’s Sports-Entertainment which I am a fan of.
by natyong on Mar 18, 2009 12:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Your reasons and rationale is a bunch of nonsense and incoherent rambling. GSP said long ago he was done with this topic, as he never was under question for anything. Instead of making up more claims, attempting to slander another fighter’s name, and enlisiting his mom to try and speak on his behalf, GSP is back to training and preparing for another title fight. That’s why he’s the best in the world, and why he’ll always be superior to BJ Penn.
As for any rule changes, the adjustments will be minor, because any residual grease that occured in this fight wasn’t the first time this happenned, and made no difference compared to natural grease transfer in fights.
by Hardcharger on Mar 18, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am a fan of MMA. I am also a fan of reason and the rule of law.
Seriously, nothing has been proven against GSP, and nothing can be proven because he himself did nothing wrong. What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty? Everyone that thinks GSP cheated, seems to know what went on in his head. Apparently they can read his mind and definitively say he cheated. I wish I had that superpower. Then I could finally understand what my girlfriend is thinking.
by pud333 on Mar 18, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think GSP cheated. I think rules were broken on his behalf mainly due to Kizer’s and D White’s statements.
by natyong on Mar 18, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I also don’t think that BJ would win that fight grease or no grease.
by natyong on Mar 18, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BJ’s case is effectively finished and everyone knew from the start how it would end. BJ accomplished all he was going to accomplish with this before he even filed the official complaint, now he is just putting his own career on hold to tilt at windmills. A true fan of the “sport” would look at this with an open mind before they made their decision not through the stained glass of fandom, the problem has been brought to light and steps are being taken to change the rules but BJ isn’t content with that he is still on a personal crusade for his personal reasons. Besides who brings their mother to a commission hearing to testify?
Is Pat Miletich a true fan of the sport?:
I recently asked MMA legend Pat Miletich if he thought this was a serious issue in the sport. Miletich continues to corner most of the fighters who come out his Iowa-based Miletich Fighting System. Surprisingly, he thought that “grease-gate” was much ado about nothing.
“Trust me, BJ’s face rubbing against GSP’s arm and everything else while they were battling, got way more grease on GSP then GSP’s trainer rubbing on him,” Miletich said.
“(Cornermen) have techniques for rubbing down a fighter’s thighs when they are in the corner. You know, massaging their thighs to get the lactic acid out of their legs. They massage their traps to loosen them up, rub their shoulders, too. That’s always been done in boxing. So, to me, there is going to be a lot more Vaseline coming off a guy’s face onto another guy’s body than anything else.”
Miletich added that this sort of practice happens in almost every single MMA fight.
“People don’t even think about it,” he said. "If I have Vaseline all over my face just in a boxing match, you know, when I am punching someone in a boxing match, the Vaseline gets all over my gloves. When we tie up, it gets all over a guy’s body.
“Now, imagine in a wrestling scenario with grappling and everything else going on. Your face is rubbing up all over a guy’s shoulder, all over his arms, all over his chest, all over the sides of his body when you are taking him down. There’s Vaseline all over everybody all the time. It doesn’t even matter.”
http://www.versus.com/nw/article/view/77363/?UserDef=true&catID=2175&tf=ariel_helwani.tpl
by who me on Mar 18, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who cares about the hearing
UFC spent millions on their countdown show to build both these guys into superstars and they both pissed it down the drain with this fiasco. Bravo!
by bignerd on Mar 18, 2009 3:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Much as you wish it, nothing was pissed down the drain.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Mar 18, 2009 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The vast majority of casual fans probably aren’t even away of “GreaseGate” anyway, the build up for both guys still worked.
by who me on Mar 19, 2009 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never meant to say if you disagreed with me your aren’t a fan. I meant the title to have more emphasis on ‘sport’ than anything.
To me I want things absolute when it comes to rules like these. If commission sees and infraction then a punishment needs to happen. If they don’t then they need to state it.
From the comments from Kizer and pretty much everybody other than the Jackson camp has said involved in the incident is something illegal happened whether intentional or unintentional. If no disciplinary action occurs however small makes a greasing infraction to me seem less than an unintentional fence grab or groin kick.
I don’t pretend to know all there is to know about Greasegate and to tell the truth I really don’t. I just know that I think the commissions not following through in my eyes on multiple matters really harms the ‘legitimacy’ of the sport in my eyes.
ABC conference was a joke and it’s only happened once in the 8+ years of the sport and is probably unlikely to happen again anytime soon. Nothing got accomplished other than that Big John is UFC’s enemy.
A rule/law that isn’t enforced is a detriment to all. It shouldn’t be.
by natyong on Mar 18, 2009 3:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This was meant to be a response to Michaelthebox above.
by natyong on Mar 18, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
unintentional fence grab or groin kick
Both of those would have had a much greater impact on the fight than any possible grease that was unintentionally or intentionally transfered from Nurse to GSP in the fight.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Mar 18, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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