You Can't Always Get What You Want: NSAC Unlikely to Fill B.J. Penn's Greasegate Wishlist
by Kid Nate on Mar 17, 2009 10:18 AM EDT
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The Nevada State Athletic Commission meets today to review the charges against Georges St Pierre, his cornerman Phil Nurse and trainer Greg Jackson. It doesn't look like B.J. Penn is going to get what he's after according to NSAC boss Keith Kizer. Sherdog reports:
Kizer said it his interpretation that Nevada statutes currently don’t support the commission having the jurisdiction to adjust the results of the bout to a “no contest” given the specific circumstances. Kizer said a bout can only be ruled a “no contest” on four different occasions: the scorecards were added incorrectly, collusion occurred (where a referee was paid off), the referee misinterpreted a rule that effected the outcome, or there was the use of non-approved drugs or steroids.
“The main thing here [for Tuesday’s hearing] is let’s see what happened in the fight and let’s find out what happened from Phil [Nurse] and Greg [Jackson], what happened and why it happened, “ said Kizer. “Secondly, let’s figure out a way to make sure it doesn’t happen again. Now whether it goes beyond that is up to the commissioners -- and it may or may not.”
Kizer’s expectations are a bit tamer though.
“What I see happening is something along these lines: a very strict warning to Phil, a warning to everybody that there’s no place for this, and maybe something [determined] along the lines that every corner can have one designated Vaseline guy and that guy can not touch the fighter anywhere else on his body, except for his face, until the end of the fight,” said Kizer.
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Somebody get BJ a box of tissues, he's not gonna be happy with this
by ufc4 on Mar 17, 2009 10:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think he is
It’s not about that to him… it’s beyond his ego… just because he has an ego doesn’t mean that it’s always his driving force. I honestly feel he believes GSP was cheating, and he’s on a crusade to keep the sport clean.
by adamdd on Mar 17, 2009 10:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If BJ cared so much about the sport he would have enough respect to show up for his fights prepared and in shape, a guy with his talent should not be 4-4 in his last 8 fights.
by ufc4 on Mar 17, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the better question is how can a guy who is has gone 4-4 since 2005 (2005!) be considered so hugely talented? He obviously isn’t near as good as he thinks he is, and I am sick of this “he doesn’t train hard enough but if he did he could submit God” hype.
He wasted his prime and now he’s at around that age when athletic talent begins to fade. Beating GSP was his last shot to redeem himself and he got punked, vaseline or no. Worse yet, he lost by corner stoppage! This is his last ditch effort to prevent himself from realizing he either wasn’t all that great after all or he spent his talent coasting.
by toxic on Mar 17, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BJ penn's losses
GSP – not such a shame to lose to, and is considerably better
Hughes – they still went 1-1 and the second fight would have been over if Matt wasn’t saved by the bell in the first.
Machida – 205 undefeated #1 contender LHW vs the 155lbs BJ penn… and it went to decision.
Those aren’t the most of shameful losses.
He’s also beat Renzo Gracie, Jens Pulver, Sean Sherk, and Joe sstevenson. in the past few years.
by adamdd on Mar 17, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, his losses aren’t to chumps. These are fighters at the top. A fighter’s +/- isn’t the whole story.
by pud333 on Mar 17, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I mean Kimbo Slice was undefeated
lol, it has to do with who you fight. :)
by adamdd on Mar 17, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m harsher on Penn than I probably should be. He is a good fighter. He just ain’t the greatest of all time, that’s all. He certainly isn’t good enough to get title shots in a weightclass he hasn’t won a fight in for 3 years.
by toxic on Mar 17, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Keep making apologies for the guy all you want, who cares if “it would have been over IF…” or “it went to a decision”, so what? He lost, that’s it, end of story. Yeah, Machida is in a different weight class, BJ decided to fight him and he lost. Yeah, he beat Hughes the first time, but he didn’t the second time. GSP is a better fighter, well BJ said HE was and HE was the one who asked for the fight. You are just like BJ and his crew of yes-men, always an excuse, never just take it like a man.
by ufc4 on Mar 17, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not making apologies. I’m saying you are just wrong. You can’t say just because a guy is 4-4 in his previous fights means he’s not realavent. And as to your machida comment in going to a decision, and a loss being a loss… I could go get my ass kicked by any of those guys in the first 10 seconds and it’s pretty clear that I’m not on the same page as them.
by adamdd on Mar 17, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what is it that make BJ more relevant than anybody else? What is it about him that we haven’t really seen, that we can assume other fighters don’t have?
by NinjaCodah on Mar 17, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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He’s one of three guys to beat sherk… the other people that have that on their resume are gsp, and matt hughes. And he dominated and finished Sherk. He absolutely destroyed Stephenson (as did Florian) but no one is knocking Florian. There is no one in the game that can take a hit better than BJ. His chin is amazing, if you saw that superman jab. He is one of the most dangerous people on the ground. He beat Renzo Gracie on the ground. His BJJ pedigree is unreal. He has very heavy hands, as we’ve seen him drop much larger opponents. You put it all together, and he’s very scary.
by adamdd on Mar 17, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and although he didn’t beat matt hughes the second time, he had him in a from of triangle that would have finished the fight if it weren’t for the bell.
by adamdd on Mar 17, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Matt Hughes wasn’t saved by the bell in their 2nd fight. He pulled free from the triangle/armbar attempt before Rd 2 ended.
by Hardcharger on Mar 17, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Randy Couture isn’t rated number 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, or 6 in the world in his division, either. BE’s metarankings have him at 7.
by Michaelthebox on Mar 17, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok...
But going into the brock fight at 6-5 in the last 11 fights, he was rated in the top 5……..
by adamdd on Mar 17, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What does Couture have to do with any of this? What do rankings have to do with it?
Penn has been telling everyone how talented he is for years. He goes by “the Prodigy” for gods sake. That’s the issue. He thought/thinks he is the best fighter who ever lived, and not just a good to great lightweight.
by toxic on Mar 17, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Two guys who are 4-4 in their last 8. Similar quality of wins. One is ranked 7 in the world, the other is ranked 1st and, at least in his mind, one of the most talented fighters in existence.
Penn is badly overrated.
by Michaelthebox on Mar 17, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Penn is ranked #1 at lightweight. The four losses you mentioned are against the #1 WW in the world Georges St. Pierre, top five welterweight Matt Hughes and top three light heavyweight Lyoto Machida. During that same time period he is 3-0 at lightweight and oddly enough 1-0 at middleweight.
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by Richard Wade on Mar 18, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I totally agree. I’m sick of the training argument as well.
by NinjaCodah on Mar 17, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s honestly a crock of BS, since Penn has contradicted himself countless times on whether the vaseline was a factor or not, and then had his lawyer write up an absurd document with ridiculous statements contained within it. Even Kizer commented on how he told Penn’s lawyer not to write such a document, and Penn’s lawyer did it anyway. Camp Yes men has been proven time and again to be a bunch of whiners who only care about BJ Penn, and not MMA.
by Hardcharger on Mar 17, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, it's his ego.
It’s his ego that started this whole thing. This rematch with GSP was totaly unnecessary, and it was what he wanted. I believe it was also his ego that drove him not to train properly. So he gets humiliated, and now his ego can’t handle that.
This is heartening that Kizer sees things this way, cause it’s the only logical way to go about things, since they can’t prove GSP’s intent. I’m anxious for the final ruling on this so we can finally move on.
by pud333 on Mar 17, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many times can BJ Penn accept defeat?
0-2 with GSP and now 0-1 with the NSAC and this time even cardio wasn’t required!
Enough already! Fight KenFlo!
by JAYGK95 on Mar 17, 2009 10:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
after he spends some nice cushy time with his family of course….because we all know how he trains in different parts of the world like GSP does and his family time is limited.
by soadtrails on Mar 17, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have been thinking, do you guys think the UFC should make a pre-bout shower mandatory before each fight? I am not sure but I have kept on thinking about it ever since this whole thing started and some trainers came out and said that they have their fighters take baths in oil and stuff and then Mac Danzig said something similar.
by The Legend on Mar 17, 2009 11:08 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No, I mean are they gonna have someone from the commission watch them to make sure they actually go in there and scrub down every inch of their body? A guy could just go in there, turn the water on for a couple minutes (and not stand under it) and come back out, same as he was before. It’s a silly idea.
by ufc4 on Mar 17, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don’t think anyone said they actually did that oil bath stuff, just that it was something they’d heard of people doing
by yngjzy on Mar 17, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well of course, nobody is gonna say they did it, but if there’s smoke there’s probably fire.
by ufc4 on Mar 17, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno. Personally, I don’t care either way, but really, how would you enforce that? Would the commission assign a “Shower Czar” to basically stand there and watch the fighter scrub every part of his body? How about regulating temperature? Or the soap they are using? Just seems kind of lame to me.
by pud333 on Mar 17, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
GSP’s camp suggested rubdowns with an alcohol to get rid of anything.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Mar 17, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
*breathes sigh of relief
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Mar 17, 2009 11:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
BJ Penn not getting what he wants?
Heads will roll people…
Keep firing Assholes!
by Ubernoober on Mar 17, 2009 11:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ok this do not deserve a no contest (unless you prove they greased on purpose, and nobody did) , that would be the robbery of the century…BUT, greasing is cheating and worthy of a no contest way more than painkillers.
by spectaa on Mar 17, 2009 12:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget ( or maybe we should) about Karo Parisyan
They are also having his hearing this morning too. Things should have gotten under way just under an hour ago.
by SanDiegoMMA.net on Mar 17, 2009 12:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So they’re pretty much going with no, no, no and no. Bueno.
by subo on Mar 17, 2009 12:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
…But if you try sometimes, you just might find that you get what you need.
by Cannon Jacques on Mar 17, 2009 12:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I have...
a conspiracy theory for everyone. Seeing as how BJ thinks the world is out to get him over this. Maybe, just maybe he’s doing this for an entirely different reason altogether. Maybe Karo paid BJ to start this whole mess to deflect attention away from him and the fact that he was caught using “illegal” pain killers. I figure this is one aspect that no one has thought of, or at least pointed out. Seriously, who in their right mind asks for that list of outrageous demands that BJ is asking for, and expects to get any of it. BJ’s camp as got to stop blowing smoke up BJ’s @$$ and get serious about his next fight. Or we are going to see the same thing if he loses to Kenflo, but next time BJ will have some other excuse. The sun was in his eyes, or Kenflo was on roids or something else idiotic.
by proflex on Mar 17, 2009 1:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Karo trains under Greg Jackson. I believe at one point Karo was going to Tri-star to train.
by pud333 on Mar 17, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think that changing his camp would change anything in that big head of his. You could give him the trainer that pushes and pushes, the guy that says you are not working hard enough, the one that whispers,“your opponent is training harder than you” and he would still hear," you are the best, you beat him in that first fight, that’s enough training, let’s go trick him into eating some manapua"
by bubbafat on Mar 17, 2009 1:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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