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Jon Jones (8-0) vs. Jake O'Brien (11-2-0) at UFC 100

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that'll be an interesting match

O’Brien should have the wrestling acumen to prevent Jones from putting on a greco throw showcase but Jones’ striking could still give him fits.
O’Brien’s strength will be a test for the rangy Jones though. Bonnar’s one of the bigger Light Heavies but O’Brien was a legit heavyweight.

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by Kid Nate on Mar 14, 2009 11:34 AM EDT reply actions  

O’Brien is going to use his size advantage to get the win here. I predict this will be three rounds of lay annd pray and decision win for the Irishmen.

by Bandaka on Mar 14, 2009 11:46 AM EDT reply actions  

WHAT!? What kind of match is this? Jake O’Brien is one of the most boring fighters that I have ever witnessed. Jon Jones just had one of the best showings on PPV, and they give him Jake O’Brien? I was hoping for Thiago Silva.

by "Mr. NC-17" on Mar 14, 2009 12:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Amen.

This is a huge disappointment. Surely they could’ve upped the ante a little from Bonnar?

by Dooda on Mar 14, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

lightheavy?

is jake moving down in weight? its not going to help. he’s going to get manhandled much like he did against cain.

by sonofapsycho on Mar 14, 2009 12:23 PM EDT reply actions  

I dont think Jones has the striking abbilities of Cain. Excpect a wrestling match.

by Bandaka on Mar 14, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you are underestimating Jones’ striking here, but that is debatable. Either way, it’s his fight to lose IMO.

by mmafiend on Mar 14, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

O'Brien

made his first drop to 205 at UFC 94 when he relieved Christian Wellisch of his UFC contract. This will therefore be his second light heavyweight bout.

by Scott Haber on Mar 14, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

This match making is not full of win here

seriously… wut??

I don’t know the different styles of wrestling well… but can a greco guy like jones keep the fight off the mat against a … errr… free style wrestler like Obrien???

by dbcb on Mar 14, 2009 12:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Who knows…Maybe this will turn into a standup battle due to each fighters wrestling skills nullifying the others.

by Bandaka on Mar 14, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I knew there were differences between styles of wrestling, but I never understood them before. Rec’d.

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by Scott C. Broussard on Mar 15, 2009 1:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Awesome explanation. I do wonder if the damage dealt is par with the energy exerted in a lot of his techniques. I think it may also be some concessions to open up the rest of his not fully developed game. Just to keep control.

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by plastict on Mar 15, 2009 4:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Regarding damage dealt from takedowns,

I really can’t speak too much to this. I can say with absolute confidence that the double overhook slam he pulled on Bonnar is the kind of shot that can and will knock the wind right out of you, because you simply can’t see it coming, especially if you’re not at the very least familiar with sumo/GR/sambo/judo body throws in their native application. Double overhooks is not an inherently advantageous position, since you’re giving away inside control, but there are obviously ways to make it work.

As to energy expended, you hit on a really interesting, and often overlooked point. To score a takedown, in any fashion (utilizing wrestling maneuvers) you have to burn an extreme amount of energy. Judo is like the anti-wrestling, where the whole idea is to ‘catch’ your opponent off-balance and put him down with a trip or step-through hip throw. Wrestling is all about enforcing your will on your opponent, which costs a lot in the way of energy.

A commonly known, and heavily debated example which illustrates just how much energy gets burned on a shot (successful or failed) is Rashad vs. Tito. When Tito grabbed the fence, he was rightfully docked a point on the judge’s cards. Why? Anyone who’s seen the sports science shows knows that a double-leg slam produces as much translated force (around 2,000 lbs) as a heavyweight boxer’s perfectly delivered power punch. Rashad, however, burned waaaaay more energy than a boxer would burn throwing one punch, and his efforts were about to simultaneously:

A) Smash Tito into the ground, delivering a literal ton of translated force, and

B) Achieve utterly dominant position after the damage had been dealt.

Instead? The fight kept going where it was, and Rashad’s tank was empty from all the exertion. Did this cost him the fight? It’s really hard to say one way or the other, but there really is no question that it changed the landscape of the fight significantly from that point on.

It’s much easier to defend a takedown, and far less costly in terms of energy, than it is to achieve a takedown (at least using standard wrestling techniques). This is a component of the proliferation of the ‘sprawl and brawl’ style we’ve seen from so many accomplished strikers in recent years. If they can learn to effectively sprawl out the majority of shots, they’ll end up with more energy than their opponent, and also be provided with a few advantageous striking opportunities along the way.

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by misterjonez on Mar 15, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting breakdown. Very much appreciated. Rec’d.

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by Rundownloser on Mar 15, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

You could put Jones in there against Lionheart Blevins...

…I’d still pay to watch. That kid is boom goes the dynamite.

If you see Mark Coleman in person, drop $5 on the floor and watch the fun as he tries in vain to bend down and pick it up.

by Ozzz on Mar 14, 2009 12:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Actually…make it happen, Blevins needs to be tossed on his head repeatedly if the accusations are true.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Mar 14, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was hoping

to see Jones get matched up against Eric Schafer. Bonnar’s jiu-jitsu is good, and Gusmao’s was supposed to be, but I want to see Jones against someone that actually uses their bjj, like Schafer.

by Scott Haber on Mar 14, 2009 1:29 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm interested...

to see him against O’Brien as it’s someone who is going to be completely focused on trying to put Jones on his back and keep him there.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 14, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep.

It’s a good matchup in terms of developing Jones further.

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Mar 14, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

But there’s huge downside. A lay n Pray victory by O’brien would suck all the wind out of Jones. Even a decision victory for Jones, there’s such a strong possibility that Obrien is going to perform a massive lay’n’pray festival for three rounds.

As far as upside, I don’t see that much other than a potential victory.

by Dooda on Mar 14, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

JOB is a fine gatekeeper, and if (when) Jones wins I’d like to see him agains the loser of Cane/Cantwell.

by Derek Suboticki on Mar 14, 2009 2:57 PM EDT reply actions  

ugly matchup for Jones IMO.

by Bigperm on Mar 14, 2009 3:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Jones v. Hamill.

by Thunder Lips on Mar 14, 2009 3:31 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Good call, rec’d

by brad23 on Mar 14, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Booyah.

Someone bookmark that for ‘soon’.

If you see Mark Coleman in person, drop $5 on the floor and watch the fun as he tries in vain to bend down and pick it up.

by Ozzz on Mar 15, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Herring fight was O’Brien’s infamous LNP victory, but I think he gets a bad rap for it, being that it’s his only victory that’s ever been shown on a televised card (with the other two being losses to Arlovski and Valasquez). That point is, ironically, not made to consider him a legitimate threat to Jones, but rather as explanation why there should be little concern that poor lil Jon Jones gets pinned under Mighty Jake O’Brien for 15 minutes.

Jones over O’Brien via TKO; just like Arlovski and Valasquez before him.

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by Blackout612 on Mar 14, 2009 4:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Fantastic matchmaking

This is exactly the kind of matchmaking you want to see for developing fighters. If Jones can outwrestle O’Brien we’ll know for sure that his wrestling is truly dominant. If he can’t, he’ll be forced to push his still raw striking. I really think this a perfect fight for a prospect.

by FRANKIE on Mar 14, 2009 7:18 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I agree wholeheartedly. While I understand the frustration and concern some people have expressed, I think this is the way the UFC is probably viewing this fight (development fight). Jones is really young, so I think it’s fantastic that they’re bringing him along slowly (e.g. Huerta). And in that process they’re going to have to put him against a big strong wrestler who doesn’t pose much of a threat on his feet or with his BJJ acumen (i.e. largely one dimensional), and O’Brien fits that bill perfectly.

by Estrada on Mar 14, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really do understand why people don’t like this fight. Jones is exciting as hell, and this fight could be boring. But like you said, he’s young and green, and I hate seeing green fighters who could be special getting thrown to the wolves. It was my biggest problem with PRIDE and I hate it when I see the UFC do the same thing (which, to their credit, is rare).

That being said, I don’t want to see fighters protected to the level they are in boxing. One of the things I truly love about MMA is the fact that a loss, or even several losses, isn’t the end of your career. I want that viewpoint to stick around forever.

by FRANKIE on Mar 14, 2009 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Huerta wasn't such a big fan of his 'slow' roll.

Which is why he’s in Hollywood now and not the UFC.

If you see Mark Coleman in person, drop $5 on the floor and watch the fun as he tries in vain to bend down and pick it up.

by Ozzz on Mar 15, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

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