Sportscasters Should Be Embarrassed
by EazyEismydad on Mar 13, 2009 11:23 AM EDT
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Michael Wilbon: 'On Saturday Night Rampage Jackson beat up Keith Jardine in a unanimous decision. Big deal, yes or no?'
Tony Kornheiser: 'It would mean more to me if he beat Keith Lockhart. I don't know who Keith Jardine is.'
Is it just me or isn't it ESPN analysts jobs' to know about the popular US sports? MMA outsold boxing and WWE last year in PPVs and beat out playoff ratings for both the NHL and NBA when they were up on competing nights. I would be embarrassed to admit not to know one of the more visible fighters of the sports if I got paid to know things like that.
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The problem is that you actually are a normal person with a healthy sense of shame. The same cannot be said for these gents.
by Luke Thomas on Mar 13, 2009 11:25 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Kornheiser...
doesn’t know about ANY sport. He’s got the most incredibly basic sports knowledge of anyone in a position such as his that I’ve ever seen.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 13, 2009 11:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So THAT'S why I've been watching MNF on mute...
There's a WAMMA belt in my Cracker Jacks!
by Drewplata on Mar 13, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just ignore Kornheiser. Jaworski is worth listening to.
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by Richard Wade on Mar 13, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kornheiser does a great radio program, but it is almost zero percent sports. He has been covering sports so long I think he is borred with them. He stopped having passion for sports about five years ago. That was before MMA was worth covering to guys like him so there is really no hope of him coming along. He will continue to spew crap about MMA until he retires.
by szucconi on Mar 14, 2009 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL, honestly, the hate fest is absurd
I’m sorry. The comments that the ESPN guys make are ridiculous, but the obvious trash talking everyone does is more embarassing.
What do people expect? Not everyone in the known universe follows MMA, so when someone makes a comment, it launches this huge “LET’S LYNCH THEM!” mob.
Kornheiser doesn’t watch MMA and neither does Wilbon. They’re both oblivious. I think I’ve heard Wilbon mention “Rampage” as his favorite fighter, but then screw up about 12 other facts about MMA.
Most of us are fairly long time fans of the sport, and even casual fans know more about MMA than these guys. Obviously, anything they say will upset the MMA masses, but we’re a part of the MMA fanbase. It makes no sense for us to go crazy about this. We know a LOT about MMA, these guys don’t
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by Leland Roling on Mar 13, 2009 11:44 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Plus...
PTI is more of an op-ed show. They are supposed to be overly ridiculous to incite opinions.
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by Leland Roling on Mar 13, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats all well and good if they were normal people. They are not though. They are paid for their opinions on popular sports. I don’t watch baseball but if I had their job I would and I would know everything I need to know. Its just incompetence at this point in the sports popularity.
I mean Jardine recently beat two UFC champions and is headlining a PPV. Its not like this is Jamie Varner or Brett Rogers
by EazyEismydad on Mar 13, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, they aren’t paid to know everything. That’s the show. They just spit ridiculous comments and spit back and forth at each other. Every show is ladden with Wilbon telling Kornheiser he’s an idiot for not knowing what he’s talking about, and vice versa. They don’t claim to ever know everything.
That’s one of the reasons a lot of people like it. They are argumentative even when neither one knows what the hell they’re talking about.
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by Leland Roling on Mar 13, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again Roling is right
People don’t watch PTI to get informed about sports. They watch it because its funny watching them banter back and forth on topics they have a basic grasp of but not much beyond that.
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 13, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
On PTI they give roughly one minute to each topic
so how much can you expect to hear. Last year MMA was never mentioned on the show & now it is. I say that progress is being made & the more popular gets the more attention it will get.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
by dnevil001 on Mar 13, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m just asking that the professionals act professional. If you know the question is coming spend 2 minutes to google Keith Jardine, a 9 fight UFC veteran. Its not the length of his response, but rather his content.
If they really have this level of general knowledge of athletics they should be replace by better people. But you can keep defending people who are getting free money
by EazyEismydad on Mar 13, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
I’m sorry EazyE, but they aren’t exactly professionals. They are paid to be outlandish and argumentative, that’s the schtick of PTI.
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by Leland Roling on Mar 13, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess I miss the point of the show. I don’t know why people would watch it if it’s really just schtick. I watch uninformed guys argue about sports in real life constantly, why bother to insert commercials
by EazyEismydad on Mar 13, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They are informed about what they report on 95% of the time,
which is NFL,MLB,NBA. It is basically a current events show for sports. I think that it is a good thing that MMA fighters are getting time on this show. Like NCSAR pointed out, this is the highest rated show on ESPN next to Sportscenter. All in good time my man!
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
by dnevil001 on Mar 13, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand your point,
but these guys are ex-sports writers which means they are really only supposed to cover the big three sports in the US-NFL, MLB, NBA. Of course they could & probably should do more research, but MMA on ESPN is really still in its infancy. The more high profile the fighters become, the more they will know. You really cannot expect them to know much about Keith Jardine like we as fans do. They know the big names, Randy, Chuck, Rampage, Lesnar.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
by dnevil001 on Mar 13, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it better to have a topic they know nothing about?
Why bring it up if you can’t intelligently discuss it? Kornheiser’s ignorance (and I have heard him say negative things about MMA before) serves to support the feelings of those in the viewing audience who see MMA as a fringe sport. “They said it on ESPN.” Put MMA Live or some other programming ON THE AIR and this will disappear. If guys like Kornheiser and Wilbon know one thing, it’s when they’re being left behind by a bandwagon.
There's a WAMMA belt in my Cracker Jacks!
by Drewplata on Mar 13, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you would prefer no national mentioning of anything MMA at all
until the people talking about it know everything about it? If so, good luck with getting the national exposure for MMA we all want.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
by dnevil001 on Mar 13, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, not in general, but
people tune in to ESPN for sports. I don’t care if Charlie Gibson doesn’t know the difference between an armbar and a triangle, but sports commentators should be somewhat aware of relevant sports.
There's a WAMMA belt in my Cracker Jacks!
by Drewplata on Mar 13, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand, but baby steps!
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
by dnevil001 on Mar 13, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sportscenter is news, PTI is afternoon entertainment. I try no never get serious news about any topic from a show where they put cardboard mask in front of their faces and pretend to be famous sports figures.
by who me on Mar 13, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol-I laugh my ass off when they put the cardboard faces
in front of their own!
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
by dnevil001 on Mar 13, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you giving me the name of the segment?
If so, thanks but I am an avid viewer of PTI.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
by dnevil001 on Mar 13, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, I wasn’t telling YOU the name of the segment…
but thanks for telling me you’re an avid viewer…
by Reaser on Mar 13, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly...
This isn’t Baseball Tonight, where the theme is in-depth analysis of MLB. This was PTI.
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by Leland Roling on Mar 13, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’d be amazed how many of the people who cover baseball are painfully ignorant with regard to the sport.
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by Richard Wade on Mar 13, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Roling is correct
When it comes to op-ed shows like PTI – The only bad publicity is no publicity at all
If you wanna hear an ESPN guy that follows MMA watch Jim Rome.
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 13, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"The only bad publicity is no publicity at all"
Exactly, I mean we want them to be more informed & in a perfect world that would be great. But it has to start somewhere. I watch PTI everyday & find it entertaining & they cover some of the top stories of the day that I may miss while I am working & I like that MMA has made its way onto the show.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
by dnevil001 on Mar 13, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is one of the largest problems MMA as a sport encounters.
Check this link…….<a href=“….”http://mmaopinion.com/2009/03/11/learning-and-teaching-mma/" >" >
The article talks about this issue in depth. It is a reply to comments made by a sports journalist out of Ohio that compared MMA to Rollerball…….
In the defense of the PTI guys it is their show. It is the most successful show other than Sportscenter on the network. They are doing something right.
They simply need to be educated on the sport of MMA. once they understand the sport, their views and opinions may change. Either way Jardine fighting Rampage doesn’t truly have a place (at this time) with the Kobe, A-Rod, and Lebron talk…
by NCSAR on Mar 13, 2009 12:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It was during “the rundown” so it was more of a one or two sentence thing, not really on the level of other stories.
by EazyEismydad on Mar 13, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that’s usually when the comments happen. I think I’ve seen one show where they gave Rampage an actual topic, oh yeah… and KIMBO
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by Leland Roling on Mar 13, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I try not to pay attention to PTI when they talk about MMA and hockey because they know nothing about either topic. All ESPN has turned into is a schmooze fest about Kobe, Lebron, and Wade. I rarely watch ESPN anymore because it has gotten sickening to watch.
by Chooch on Mar 13, 2009 1:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well it is NBA season, so.......
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
by dnevil001 on Mar 13, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
PTI is smarmy towards pretty much everything whether they know anything about it or not, they are ESPN’s version of a insult commedian show. They wouldn’t even be mentioning MMA unless they knew they could get a rise out of someone watching.
by who me on Mar 13, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shock & Awe, lol
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
by dnevil001 on Mar 13, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I watch PTI everyday.
I have saw them talk about MMA several times. Sure they aren’t very well educated on it.
Two years ago they couldn’t even tell you a fighter. Now they know some names and can at least carry on a conversation about it. Is it a good intelligent conversation? No not by any stretch of the imagination but they have made progress.
Also at least 75% of the time when talking about MMA one of them or both of them comment about how they have no idea what the hell they are talking about.
They do pretty much the same thing when they are talking about NASCAR. NASCAR is even shown on their network.
by mattman73 on Mar 13, 2009 2:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
Lets see if everybody can identify the type of topic name PTI might use for an MMA discussion
Lebron
Indy
Joe Pa
Black on Black crime
NFL Draft
its meant to be funny
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 13, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There are a lot of people that should feel shame but don’t.
by subo on Mar 13, 2009 2:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I hate PTI!
Until next time knuckleheads!
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by xFenixKnightx on Mar 13, 2009 3:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Probably should know the “point” of PTI before making a post on it. It isn’t ESPNEWS or Sportscenter here, it is a great show though.
If PTI gets you this upset about making a “joke” about Keith Jardien then Around the Horn would make you go crazy, when whenever mma is mentioned Mariotti (who I assume everyone hates like me) goes on about hating the sport and how its a disgrace and such.
Jim Rome, an old man who tries to act like he’s 21 and comes off ridiculous, I don’t like him but I watch his show and listen to his radio show sometimes and he jumped on the mma bandwagon before anyone else at ESPN so if you want someone legit mma mentions on ESPN, watch his show.
by Reaser on Mar 13, 2009 3:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Rome's radio show is great
And Mariotti sucks. Woody Page dominates that show.
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 13, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t like woody page either. Reali dominates the show, really think he should have his own show and someone like Dan Le Betard should do it with him, at least both know modern day sports and I think both are funny, which is one of the purposes of that block of shows…
by Reaser on Mar 13, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I watch ATH just for Reali.
FANTASYYYYYYYYYYY
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by Chris Nelson on Mar 13, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ya, he’s cool, apparently grew up watching the same shows as me and playing the same video games…
plus always makes a reference to NHL 94 when they talk about hockey…he makes that show good…
by Reaser on Mar 13, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You cannot beat the backfield of Bo Jackson and Marcus Allen in Tecmo Bowl’ made me a fan for life.
Though Elway and Dorsett beg to differ.
by subo on Mar 13, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jim Rome is the master of four syllable words. He is phe-nom-e-nal!
And while I can’t stand his shtick, he is at least somewhat knowledgeable enough to talk about MMA. He’s about the only guy on ESPN I can stand listening to when talking about MMA.
by Chooch on Mar 13, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
also a master of the quick word at the end of a sentence..
“To just comes and takes #81, ridiculous” or “Barry Bonds used roids, allegedly”…
by Reaser on Mar 13, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Women’s soccer = the cure to insomnia was hysterical
by subo on Mar 13, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jim Rome does seem to get the best athlete soundbites and play them over and over which is hilarious…
“boom, outta here”
“step ya game up, you know I keeps a private jet”
etc…
by Reaser on Mar 13, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alright,
CHRIS
(I hope everybody knows this one.) Rome is always gravy with me after having the balls to do that
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 13, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
of course everyone knows that one…
he won’t read e-mails to his radio show that are signed (insert girls name) (athletes last name)…
by Reaser on Mar 13, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
One of the funniest moments I’ve ever seen on sports television…
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by Leland Roling on Mar 13, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uczUKTwgqeY
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by Chris Nelson on Mar 13, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chris Everett
greatest women’s tennis legend to ever play football
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 13, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rampage Jackson: ‘On Friday afternoon Michael Wilbon won a pointless debate with Tony Kornheiser on PTI. Big deal, yes or no?’
Keith Jardine: ‘It would mean more to me if he beat Tony the Tiger. I don’t know who Tony Kornheiser is.’
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Mar 13, 2009 3:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Awesome.
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by Chris Nelson on Mar 13, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gratsi!
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Mar 13, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, at least they are Marrioti...
Marrioti would vehemently try to tell you that “THAT SPORT SUCKS” if he didn’t know anything about it, and then go on a rampant argument about why when he had no evidence to support it.
Kornheiser does that to an extent, but nothing like Marrioti.
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by Leland Roling on Mar 13, 2009 4:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I posted the same thing earlier, but yup…Mariotti is an idiot..
by Reaser on Mar 13, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plasche(or how ever you spell don’t care about it really) and Adande are the worst on ATH
by The Legend on Mar 13, 2009 9:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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