In Rare Form, Ken Shamrock Tests Positive for Steroids
by Luke Thomas on Mar 11, 2009 11:08 PM EDT
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The commission announced Shamrock’s suspension and $2,500 fine on Wednesday for testing positive for 19-Norandrosterone, 19- Noretiocholanolone and Stanozolol following his first-round victory over Ross Clifton.
Shamrock is slated to fight ex-World Wrestling Entertainment star Bobby Lashley in the co-main event of a March 21 MMA/boxing card in Pensacola, Fla. That fight is almost certainly now not going to happen as a result of Shamrock’s suspension. States are required to honor each other’s suspensions, which means that Florida would not allow Shamrock to fight while under suspension in Calfornia.
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Shamrock’s suspension runs through Feb. 1, 2010, at which point he would be 10 days shy of his 46th birthday and would not have fought in almost a year.
Shamrock does have the right to appeal, but that in and of itself will be a lengthy process.
I have the distinct feeling Shamrock is going to formalize some sort of protest about this. And, of course, aside from what the CSAC is presenting to us (which should give all of us pause), I do not have any evidence on hand Shamrock used.
What is abundantly clear is that what's happening in Shamrock's career is no longer punchline worthy. Aside from the farrago of humiliating moments that's half-lifed whatever polish his name has had, we now have what appears to be evidence that at an age where fighter safety concerns are at their peak Shamrock was potentially jeopardizing his health and breaking the law. The steroid issue is blown grossly out of proportion, but something also tells me if Shamrock is using he is likely doing so without any responsible risk management. What reason can you have for confidence?
And that's the crux of the issue: we are surpassing territory from the comically tragic into the just purely tragic.
UPDATE: Like clockwork:
Shamrock‘s manager and attorney Rod Donohoo said the fighter has adamantly denied the allegations and will appeal the suspension.
“Ken was taking legal over-the-counter products, and based upon our preliminary research, I’m investigating if those products were the result of these findings,” Donohoo told Sherdog.com on Wednesday....
Donohoo told Sherdog.com that he will request an expedited appeal.
“Ken is willing to submit to immediate testing in Sacramento to prove his innocence,” said Donohoo.
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Frank Shamrock has been saying ever since before that ken was always roided up..
by Anton Tabuena on Mar 11, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is what I came into this thread to post. Frank has said this for a while. They have a grudge, but Frank would know.
yup he even said that ken’s bad performances had something to do with not roiding up and not feeling “invincible”..
by Anton Tabuena on Mar 11, 2009 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Lifetime ban
for steroids or hgh. Don’t make this sport like baseball.
naw that is a crazy overaction. Some people do just make mistakes and have a momentary lapse of judgement. Some people honestly fail tests on accident.
what needs to happen is not just a fine… but taking the whole purse away. The wins need to be changed to a no contest. those two things + a suspension is what should happen. IF IF IF it happens again… then you should be thinking about a lifetime ban.
And boiling oil…I believed it should involve boiling oil…
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Mar 11, 2009 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Baseball’s biggest problem with regard to PEDs is PR.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Mar 14, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
doesnt shock me in the least, the man’s 45 years old. i think the term “responsible risk management” in reference to his alleged cheating is hilarious and made me laugh out loud.
it made me laugh because to me your basically saying if your going to cheat at least try to hide it and while thats my viewpoint exactly i know many on this site will act as if P.E.D. usage is akin to murder. simply see the lifetime ban post above.
It wasn't cover it up
Although I suppose that’s part of it. What I was driving at was that he appears to be stacking multiple types of steroids. Is he taking medically approved doses? Unlikely. He’s probably using them like a narcissistic gym rat. And at his age with his damage and judgment problems, that’s serious.
narcissistic gym rat
Yes, he was a male stripper I think. So the juice could go back a long way. Having big puffy muscles would be a good thing. I am uninformed on how to cycle, but stacking is commen, right?
Well, I need to get the info on if he was taking a certain weave of drugs that he thought would give him the best edge or was he just taking a whole lot of crap that he has not informed of. Seems he may have been taking them for some time and maybe he had some knowledge of how to use them. Really, nothing about PEDS and Shamrock is shocking.
you can take steroids responsibly and at that age it can even help (hormone replacement therapy anyone? or hell look at Stallone… dude is in awesome shape and is a HGH and steroid user).
It takes responsible dosages, constant blood work (aka going to the doctor), and other shit.
But, judging from past Shamrock actions… I doubt he was doing anything but abusing it… which like any drug (legal or not)… that is only a recipe for disaster.
either way cheating is cheating though
This is true and I think what Luke was getting at: on one hand, there’s the cheating issue; on the other, there’s genuine concern for Shamrock’s health and well-being outside of the sport given what he appears to be doing. It’s possible to hate cheats and think they have no place in the sport, and still be worried about what Ken seems to be doing to himself.
Going back and reading that big interview he did recently, he looks even more out of touch now.
"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."
Has Ken had financial troubles? Because that’s the only reason I can think of that can justify the past few years of his career.
That’s what I was thinking, he was a big UFC star in the days when those guys didn’t make a helluva lot but you’d have to think the guy made a good chunk of change from his time in the WWF/E. Even so he could have invested it poorly or just blown it, I can’t think of another reason he would hang on so long when he is so obviously past his prime. Of course Michael Jordan and Jerry Rice did the same thing and they had tens of millions of dollars, some guys just can’t let go no matter how much their body tells them to.
Maybe this is why he got that cut before the Kimbo fight? To avoid testing positive?
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You're slightly wrong on this...
‘Tragic’ has come and gone. ‘Comic’ occurred with the Tito trilogy. This is an entirely different level of who gives a shit!
I'm just a dude who's trying to put it together.
by mma_dude on Mar 11, 2009 10:04 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
+1
"It's like a flying knuckle sandwich." --Rogan
"And many men have eaten it." -- Goldy
by thetakeover on Mar 12, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Oddly enough, I tried to defend the rampant “shit on Shamrock” fest awhile back because the guy basically said he wanted to just keep doing what he loved to do… fight. But if he’s going to do it out of the bounds of the Athletic Commission, shame on him for doing so. His legacy has basically went down the shitter.
Editor-in-chief of MMA-Analyst.com
the man was if i am not mistaken the 1st UFC HW champion and a pioneer in the sport before 99% of the people on this site had even heard of MMA. i think his legacy is cemented.
I dunno man. I watched him back in the day, and while he built himself a nice legacy over the years, these past handful of years have been rough on him. Classic example of a man staying around way past his time. If he had retired a few years ago, he could have really cemented a decent legacy, but now… it’s just not even funny anymore. I just feel bad for the guy now cause it’s clear he doesn’t know when to stop. Seriously, someone’s gotta talk some sense into him.
UFC 12, February 7, 1997 Mark Coleman defeats Dan Severn to become the first UFC heavyweight champion.
Hello, Japan!
Yup. Coleman was the first Heavyweight Champion. But to be fair to the guy Shamrock was the UFC Supefight champion, easy to get confused.
by Stefan Manojlovic on Mar 12, 2009 5:06 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t mind a fighter past his prime fighting. I’m all over it. I also don’t mind them taking steroids so much as long as the match doesn’t really mean all that much. What I do mind a is a fighter pulling prima dona shit like pulling out of fights at the last minute and just generally not owning up to your own shit.
Royce fight didn’t didn’t meet my criteria, but in the end yah it did tarnish my opinion of him. Even more important to me it tarnished the Gracie fighting accomplishments for me even more.
Shamrock on the other hand is pretty much beyond saving.
Royce tested positive for Nandrolone, basically a recovery steroid. Ken tested positive for 3 different kinds of anabolic steroids with their obvious intents. As much as you want to believe it, this looks fairly bad for Ken while Royce just shut his mouth and rode off into the sunset. It’s a guarantee Ken is going to make this an epic argument in the public forum, and probably make himself look worse.
Editor-in-chief of MMA-Analyst.com
by Leland Roling on Mar 12, 2009 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions
The pressure of being on the WARGODZ show would make any mortal start juicing.
Yeah, who got the final Death Blow? 'Cause I thought that Hawaiian guy had it comin' to him. - C. K.
by monkeyfightclub! on Mar 11, 2009 10:15 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Ken probably felt like the weight of the world was on his shoulders, oh wait that was just his opponent on the show.
by who me on Mar 11, 2009 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Steeeeviiiiiaaaaaaaaaaaa!
I bet he learned how to juice in the WWF.
"Negative, negative. I gotta stay lean and lightning and ready to fight." Capt. H.M. Murdock
The more important question is... Who will fight Lashley?
I say put in Kimbo if they can! ..if not, there’s always tank abbott.. haha. :D
"Ken was taking legal over-the-counter products, and based upon our preliminary research, I’m investigating if those products were the result of these findings,"
So the excuse is that his legal suppliments caused him to pop for three different steroids?
Well, he probably borrowed Kiril’s nasal spray.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Mar 11, 2009 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Nope, read it again!
It gets better, with emphasis:
"Ken was taking legal over-the-counter products, and based upon our preliminary research, I’m investigating if those products were the result of these findings,"
So his own lawyer’s claiming the supplements were a product of the positive test, and not the other way around as everyone else has claimed in the past?
Is that a direct quote or a paraphrasing?
Cause its a pretty awesome Freudian slip from a lawyer if its a legit quote.
This is uglier than a hairy ass. Ken has already pretty much destroyed a great amount of his legacy… and now this.
Even though I know better, I really hope Ken finally hangs ’em up and tries to salvage a life for himself.
by Monday Morning Martial Artist on Mar 12, 2009 3:35 AM EDT reply actions
wouldnt it be great if seth pethruzelli replaces ken shamrock again?
and what if he beats lashley too? haha.
THIS JUST IN
The Fates extend Ken Shamrock’s life by one year.
by pumaman on Mar 12, 2009 4:15 AM EDT reply actions
That’s about the only appropriate fight i can think of for either of them that doesn’t involve a gracie
by pumaman on Mar 12, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I'D TAKE STEROIDS TOO!!!
If I was 45 and about to fight bobby lashley! OMG he’s huge.
Retire in ignomy
it’s the logical conclusion to the Ken Shamrock not-so-thrill ride.
"It's like a flying knuckle sandwich." --Rogan
"And many men have eaten it." -- Goldy
I’m sick of everyone using the, “my supplements caused a false positive” excuse.
MMA needs to get on the same page as football and make a list of what you can take and what you can’t. If a supplement creates a false positive, it’s illegal also.
It is the easiest thing to do because dumbas—— errr I mean the public eat it up.
There is no supplement in the world that would make you pop for 3 steroids lol. Unless he was stacking multiple pro-hormones.
And that is another thing altogether. There are “supplements” that WILL make you pop on a test. That is because they are pro-hormones… they are just basically legal steroids. They stay legal for a while, then get banned. They change it a little and the cycle repeats. this shit usually says right on the bottle that you will pop on a test
The thing is.. if a supplement makes you pop then too fucking bad. If they said “oh ok you took a supplement” then people would just use the supplement to mask the actual usage.
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