I was going to make a comment about the commonality in legal processes of the plaintiff to request above and beyond what they think will be dealt in the form of damages, or in this case sanctions, however that’s law, not fighting, and I’d rather not get banned.

the pre-fight shower thing is what got me. they would have to do this to all the fighters if this 1 got through. that’s too much. plus isn’t asking for this nullifying him asking for gsp’s liscence to be suspended. if his license is suspended, the he can’t fight, so no need for a pre-fight shower. is he asking for the latter if ther’es no suspension?

I think that a pre-fight shower is a great idea. They’d also need to have someone there to make sure that he’s fully rinsed off all the soap, and that he didn’t just stand to the side while the shower was on, avoiding all the water.

What sort of gets me is that GSP’s side came up with very good common sense ideas to deal with the issue, the wiping with towel and alcohol made good sense to me. They could do it to all fighters, it would take 20 seconds, and it wouldn’t be a huge issue with anyone. BJ’s complaints and requests don’t have a lot of common sense to them, and seem focused on excusing his defeat and getting back at GSP rather than actually realistically going forward.

First of all, he’s never going to be able to prove that GSP intentionally greased, much less that it had a lot to do with the outcome of the fight. He’s also never going to prove that GSP ingested something that would make him slippery. I’ve never even heard of ingesting to make slippery, much less proving that it can be done.

The unnamed MMA fighters probably don’t have any evidence that GSP greases, and them being unnamed makes it even more dubious. The whole thing just doesn’t make BJ look very good. I sure hope BJ doesn’t use this to be his downfall. It’s sort of looking like it might be.

Dont think it is possible to prove intent.

Also not possible to test him after the fact for anything.

Not enough evidence to punish him on any of these grounds, only create stipulations for further precaution in pre-fight screenings in the future.

Wasting your time BJ.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but putting vaseline on your shoulders and back isn’t actually breaking any rules.

The rule states that excessive vaseline is not allowed and it is the commisions duty to wipe it off if they deem it to be. GSP was wiped down and the match continued…everything went exactly as it should.

Nothing illegal occured.

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GSP definately cheated, I agree with the “punishments” BJ is asking for, though I really don’t care for the shower thing, has to be a better way to keep cheaters like GSP from cheating…

Perhaps someone who is more knowledgeable in this area could enlighten me and everyone else. I have no problems with BJ filing a formal complaint, but who who does he think he is in demanding a $250,000 fine, suspension of GSP’s and Greg Jackson’s licenses, and an overturning of the outcome to no-contest? He forgot to add on a mandatory third fight stipulation where he could make more money. BJ Penn is not the NSAC nor is he the president of the UFC and despite what he said before their fight, he’s certainly not God. Leave the penalties / punishments to the NSAC and UFC officials if after investigation they determine the greasing was excessive and intentional.

I actually like BJ, I am a huge fan. I wish he would train hard for every fight. I wish he would go to a good gym and make his game better. I wish greasegate would go away.

The public tarnishing of GSP by Hughes/Miller/Penn has already served its purpose. Everyone can now keep a close eye on GSP and his corner. The UFC has taken the appropriate actions with the cut men. I can see him wanting the no content ruling but get over it. YOU LOST.

BJ- Please please please go fight Florian. Train your ass off with some camp on the main land. Get some awesome cardio going, lift some weights (ACTUALLY TRAIN). The fans that really hate you see you as an incredibly talented and gifted phenom who is lazy. With your talent and my drive I would be world champ of 3 weight divisions.

Honestly how in the world can anyone keep defending this guy after this?, BJ Penn has gone from being a Prodigy to a whinny crybaby who can’t take a loss like a man. I’ve never cared for BJ but I never thought that I would lose respect for him as a man and as a fighter but his destruction and dismantling at the hands of GSP has exposed him for the fraud that he is. It has come to a point where all MMA fans need to send a message to the guy and call him out on his bs because it’s gotten past the point of ridiculous this is simply pathetic and disgusting. GSP not only took his heart and soul at UFC 94 he also took BJ’s pride and ruined his legacy talk about the worst loss in the history of mma for a so called Prodigy.

I think there is one there that is the only one he truly wants, the NC. The rest are there as bargaining tools to give up a quest to remove the loss from BJ’s record.

Wow I can’t believe this topic has come up again. I personally don’t think BJ is entitled to anything he’s requested. This is a sad attempt by a man that was beaten. Opinions or not, the one thing that BJ can not prove is that GSP cheated. Hate me if you want, but it’s been discussed numerous times that the rules are vague, and needed to be changed. This event was merely a catalyst to those changes being made. I’ll say it again, no rules were broken or bent for that matter. The rules at the time of the event were followed. The real problem here is the NSAC, for standing on the side lines and doing nothing for years as this thing has been allowed to get to the point that it has. I’ll admit, I don’t like BJ as a person, I can respect him as a fighter, but someone had to bring this problem with the rules vagueness out into the light. The NSAC are the real problem in this mess for not dealing with this sooner when it was caught on tape, many fighters getting “greased”. If anything, heads at the NSAC should role, not the punishing of GSP, or anyone else involved in that fight.

This is starting to sound like Penn is listing things GSP should have done BEFORE their fight. There is no way to prove what, if anything, GSP ingested/inhaled/in-whatever before the fight. That boat’s sailed.

Up to now, Penn’s camp hasn’t made any noise about prefight greasing – bringing that up now stinks to high heaven. Grasping at straws much, Penn?

The shower bit might have the most common sense behind it – but even it does not have much. I mean, how long should they shower? What temperature of water? Should soap be used? Who should apply it? Who’d make sure it was all rinsed off? IF this ever makes it to the rule books, I’m betting a lot of fighters develop mysterious skin ailments that absolutely prohibit them from using certain soaps/whatever.
Another thought – if it is possible to ingest/inhale/in-whatthehellever something to make oneself slippery, shouldn’t the fighters have their stomachs pumped, too? Ouch.

Suspending GSP, Nurse, Jackson and ‘other unknown licensees’ as well as the fine… Petty? No? Really?

Changing the result to NC may have most legs of any claim in this string of accusations, but as the commission caught the incident and took steps to correct the situation, I really don’t see it happening.

Sadly, this isn’t going to go away for a long time – not if Penn and his people have their way. As sad as this is becoming, I’m kinda hoping Penn stays occupied with this until his fight with Florian – and ends up counting the ceiling lights at the end of the fight.

I’ve been wondering if there isn’t another play going on here for a while. Obviously the greasing is an issue but the NSAC took steps immediately and allowed the fight to continue so that would seem to imply they felt the contest would be fair….

From what I’ve been able to follow, there seemed to be a definite expectation that if BJ won both belts he planned to retire and hollar “I’m the greatest ever!!” for the rest of his life…. With the loss, no such deal.

The whole greasing thing is an issue but I think BJ and Camp are using it more to keep the door open for GSP vs BJ 3 than for any other reason. When the allegations started coming out BJ’s camp immediately tried to angle for a rematch in the summer and made enough noise to get GSP and his camp riled up. When GSP’s camp mentioned rematched BJ’s camp jumped all over it. Now the UFC is moving on with GSP vs Alves and asking Penn to face Florian. I think I even saw Dana White make comments that BJ was done at Welterweight and needed to stick to Lightweight.

I hate to say it but it seems like at this point BJ and Camp are trying to push any button they can get their hands on to make GSP vs Penn 3 happen. They’ll make as much noise as they can hoping GSP will demand the fight and BJ will absolutely duck Florian just like he’s doing now for as long as he can to try and get another shot at GSP and that belt.

as I see it is that BJ can’t duck Florian for long. BJ is the Champ( I know what your think, I almost put chump too, but I digress) he has to defend the belt. Otherwise we’ll have the clusterf ck that is the heavy weight titlle and the intern heavyweight title. As for a GSP v BJ 3, didn’t Dana already shut the door on that one? For the sake of argument though, lets just say that rematch happens, and again for the sake of argument, BJ wins. What will BJ say then, “greasing” or not, he’s been beaten twice by GSP. BJ can’t stand in front of the world and say he’s the best when he’s been beaten twice by the man that some consider the best in the world at 170.