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Kyle Baker vs Levon Mayard From UWC 5: Man "O" War

Bakervsmaynard_medium Luke's already posted about the interesting clinch-fighting style of Kyle Baker.

Here's the video of his fight against Levon Maynard at UWC 5: Man "O" War so you can see for yourself.

The whole card is up on Sherdog for your viewing pleasure.

We never did come up with a satisfying name for Baker's brutal style of clinch fighting but someone suggested the word "maul" -- I like that so I'm suggesting PawNMaul for Baker's style. Other ideas?

Disclosure: I did some PR work for UWC but am no longer associated with the organization.

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DIRTY MAULiN?

stand n maul
if im hurt imma deffenetly learn this style smart ass fuck
ty u mom for the grco classess

by andres on Mar 1, 2009 3:42 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

i like dirty maulin

lol

"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"

by Kid Nate on Mar 1, 2009 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Couture 2.0
Clinch-and-Mince
Cage Tenderized

Keep firing Assholes!

by Ubernoober on Mar 1, 2009 3:48 PM EST reply actions  

hahah dirty maulin should be it haha

by andres on Mar 1, 2009 4:00 PM EST reply actions  

That looked PAINFUL! As he polishes his game, he’s going far. Thanks for pointing out this guy.

NB: Kyle Baker is also the name of a great comic book writer. I was initially confused when I saw the promos…

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on Mar 1, 2009 4:25 PM EST reply actions  

Eh...

other than Why I Hate Saturn I’ve never been blown away.

/nerd

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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 1, 2009 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I loved his Plastic Man series, as bizarre as it was, though I’m a mark for the shape-shifting wack-job.

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on Mar 1, 2009 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Plastic Man...

never really did much for me. I’m not big on the joke/joke/joke/joke way that Plastic Man has always been handled. Baker did as well as anyone with him…just not a character I care for.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 1, 2009 6:59 PM EST up reply actions  

He’s best when balanced with the more serious, melodramatic characters. Grant Morrison’s run on JLA in the late 1990s, early 2000s was great for that – his utter oddness prevented enemies from anticipating him. The best moment was when he disguised himself as Barda’s dress (JLA #33). I wish Frank Miller would use him more in All Star Batman, but there’s many more urgent problems than that with the series…

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on Mar 1, 2009 7:16 PM EST up reply actions  

JLA

of course. Morrison = my personal god of comic writing (current run on Batman notwithstanding…I haven’t read it but I don’t hear good things) and he handled Plastic Man fine but still he’s always been a character I just don’t like to see around much.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 1, 2009 7:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Morrison is strange, even by comic book standards (excluding Alan Moore, who lives in a world of his own). After doing LSD in the Scottish highlands, GM was apparently abducted by a UFO and the aliens explained the nature of reality to him, which resulted in The Invisibles. Arkham Asylum: A Serious House on Serious Earth was amazing.

Batman RIP was so-so, though I like the reintroduction of Bat-Mite. The problem is that it ultimately doesn’t affect anything. Final Crisis was far more relevant (and also GM-penned) and actually concluded the RIP storyline.

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on Mar 1, 2009 9:43 PM EST up reply actions  

My usual thing...

is to let the big events come and go…wait a few more months…and then go back and read it all.

The Invisibles, Arkham Asylum, Doom Patrol, Animal Man, Seaguy, We3…the list of GM’s shit that I love is very long.

Moore is a bizarre dude but writes great shit himself.

Both way better than Frank Miller who, while I like his stuff, is seriously overrated.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 1, 2009 11:47 PM EST up reply actions  

My favorite AM quote: “When I turned 40, instead of boring everybody with a mid-life crisis, I decided to go completely mad and become a magician.” From the excellent documentary The Mindscape of Alan Moore.

Miller is OK, but other than DKR and Batman: Year One, he hasn’t been impressive. I do enjoy the psychotic Batman of ASB&RtBW, though.

The there’s Neil Gaiman – whatever the man does (comics, books, movies) is fantastic.

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on Mar 2, 2009 12:31 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm a fan of both Kyle Bakers

The “other” Kyle’s Nat Turner comic was really good.

"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"

by Kid Nate on Mar 1, 2009 5:30 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Kyle Baker is also the name of a great comic book writer

Man, does anyone else remember when he was considered one of the greatest illustrators of his generation?

by asa on Mar 2, 2009 6:13 PM EST up reply actions  

assault and pepper
dimminish then finish
hug n slug

by roysphlegm on Mar 1, 2009 4:27 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

No offense, but you’re never going to make Baker and this whole style nickname thing happen.

The guy on the UWC card I was most impressed with was Villarisco. He is a great example of a fighter with a ton of potential whose career may never take off if he is stuck under the unified rules. He has a great attack, constant pressure and controls the cage very well, but as long as the other guy gets a takedown or two and can hold him there for a minute each round, he will lose a lot of decisions.

by smoogy on Mar 1, 2009 4:28 PM EST reply actions  

ah smoogy

you keep trying but you can’t offend me.
: P

"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"

by Kid Nate on Mar 1, 2009 5:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess I’m just skeptical of the idea that Jamal Patterson is the future of 205lbs and Kyle Baker represents a new archetype of MMA fighter.

by smoogy on Mar 1, 2009 5:40 PM EST up reply actions  

You’re also the same guy that thinks it’s perfectly acceptable to disregard contractual obligations, disrespect promoters who’ve dumped a ton of money on promoting you, unnecessarily disappoint fans and be a completely unreliable teammate when Japanese promotions come calling.

by Luke Thomas on Mar 1, 2009 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

You sound like a jilted lover. You should be happy for Beebe, he swapped a minor league gig for a slot in the biggest tournament ever in his weight class

by smoogy on Mar 1, 2009 8:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Jilted lover? What fantasy land are you living in? Asking someone to adhere to the terms of an agreement they themselves agreed they would = the scorned end of romance? Unreal.

by Luke Thomas on Mar 1, 2009 8:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Britt still has more upside than Patterson, just needs to up his submission defense.
Baker’s stylistic innovations are real. I don’t know that he has the kind of world-class ability to really be the messiah of a new approach to fighting, but he’s the kind of unique fighter I enjoy watching regardless of his status as a top contender.

"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"

by Kid Nate on Mar 1, 2009 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Isn’t Maynard sponsored by five ounces of pain? I may be mistaken on this.

by dedstrk316 on Mar 1, 2009 4:42 PM EST reply actions  

From Five Ounces

“Welterweight LeVon Maynard, who has been sponsored by FiveOuncesOfPain.com for several of his past fights”

Don’t know if he still is or not but he was at one point.

by dedstrk316 on Mar 1, 2009 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Bind and grind?
Hug and mug?

by Carl P on Mar 1, 2009 5:22 PM EST reply actions  

I like Hug and Mug the best out of these.

This style seems like something that will inevitably be gameplanned for if that is all he is going to do and at that point it will become more interesting to see what happens with it. But it’s clearly worked so far.

by plastict on Mar 1, 2009 5:25 PM EST up reply actions  

hug n mug!

I really like that one.

"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"

by Kid Nate on Mar 1, 2009 5:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Intersting style but Im not sure how it would work against better competition who wont allow themselves to just sit in the clinch and get mulled or someone who can get the takedown out of the clinch.

by jdgls77 on Mar 1, 2009 5:51 PM EST reply actions  

naturally it has its limits — there is no such thing as a magic technique that always works but Baker’s approach seems tailor made for a fighter with a good greco-roman or judo background who can control the clinch and not get taken down from there.

"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"

by Kid Nate on Mar 1, 2009 7:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I understand, maybe I need to watch it again but Mayard just walked right into the clinch a cpl seconds in and just hung out there with no success, you have to think his corner would have told him to get out after a minute or so. I think it works great on that caliber of fighter…..but?

You cant argue with the fact that its working for him though. ;)

by jdgls77 on Mar 1, 2009 8:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Why?

No longer working for the UWC, how come?

by B.Stelli on Mar 1, 2009 7:42 PM EST reply actions  

it was just a consulting gig for the one show

but I learned that I don’t enjoy combining business with pleasure. Nor do I like dealing with fighters or promoters. UWC is a great promotion though. They’ve really invested in the production and have an absolutely top notch show. Good matchmaking as well. I hope that they’ll be able to move to MD when that state gets its act together on regulating MMA shows (its legal but they haven’t worked out the nuts and bolts details to hold shows yet) because the Patriot Center isn’t an ideal venue for MMA.

"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"

by Kid Nate on Mar 1, 2009 7:50 PM EST up reply actions  

What's wrong with the Patriot Center?

I don’t see a venue other than the Verizon center better equipped to handle the amount of fans UWC is starting to attract. What venue in the DMV region is ideal for an MMA show? The Comcast Center?

by KneesnBows on Mar 1, 2009 9:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Patriot Center is in the middle of nowhere

and is too big.
UWC should be held in a venue with a 10,000 seat capacity — that would be insane.

"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"

by Kid Nate on Mar 1, 2009 10:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Where would you suggest the next show be held? I’ve had no issue with going to Mason and the other 6,000 fans didn’t seem to either. I highly doubt UWC would pull anywhere close to that number if they held a show in Maryland.

by KneesnBows on Mar 1, 2009 10:17 PM EST reply actions  

Just looks like "Clinch Fighting" to me.

"Stop smiling you are about to be punched in the face !"

by Warhand on Mar 2, 2009 12:02 AM EST reply actions  

nate, i just watched the fight again, and i think what ive been saying since the original post suits it the most..
Wall n’ Maul!

man he just sticks him to the wall and grinds out a beating.. youre right, ive never seen anyone have that kind of fighting style and be able to consistently employ his game plan and force the opponent to fight there.. i wonder though if that would work against good greco roman wrestlers..

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by Anton Tabuena on Mar 2, 2009 7:47 AM EST reply actions  

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