UFC Changes Rules on Cornermen, Vaseline
by Kid Nate on Feb 7, 2009 9:56 AM EST
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MMA Weekly has the scoop:
...the UFC has instituted new policies regarding cut men and how the corners are allowed to enter during the breaks in between rounds for this weekend's UFC Fight Night 17 show in Tampa, Fla.
According to sources close to the situation, the UFC has now instructed that cornermen associated with the fighters will no longer be allowed to handle the Vaseline used in between rounds to treat and prevent cuts.
The UFC will now provide one cut man for each corner for the fight. Only two people are allowed to enter the Octagon between rounds so if a cut man is necessary to apply Vaseline or work on a cut, one of the other cornermen working with the fighter must exit the cage to allow the cut man to work.
Well done UFC.
I still want grappling pants, knees on the ground and the kick Anderson Silva did to Yushin Okami to be legal, but this will work for now.
UPDATE: Kelvin Hunt has a pretty good compromise suggestion at MMAForReal.
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Well done
Indeed!!!
UFC, we take care of business! Stil doesn’t matter to GSP, he’ll still send BJ to the Ospital. :)
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
this topic will eventually progress beyond gsp vs. bj
although I recognize it’s based on frayed spirits from fans of both fighters. The imporatnt thing to keep in mind is that this Nurse bungler, cheater, conspirator WHATEVER, is not allowed to create any more doubt….at least not in this category of possible greasing.
We’ll have to keep at this Nate if we want more changes in the form of sweat testing/ pre-fight monitoring or whatever it takes to keep greasing from becomming more acceptable.
What a black-eye to the sport we love…these fighters are bad-asses in my book. Now I have to look closer tonight to see if anyone looks a bit too “shiny”
Rafu
Oh man...
This could be bad. It’s like having a court appointed lawyer.
If a cut man is provided by the UFC and a fight gets stopped from a cut, teams will complain that if they had their own cutman this wouldn’t have happened.
the cutmen have always been independent of the camps
i believe they work for the commission
"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"
That takes care of the Vaseline thing. However, I don’t understand why the second cornerman was semi-eliminated. How is that a part of the problem?
by Monday Morning Martial Artist on Feb 7, 2009 10:16 AM EST reply actions
No
Kru Nurse is not a cheater!
Criticize his mistake. Not his honor.
You do realize that the only person in this thread who has connected Nurse and cheating is you? No one else is talking about that.
"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."
Umm no
Rafu stated that Kru Nurse was a cheater.
Re-read it
Rafu said:
The imporatnt thing to keep in mind is that this Nurse bungler, cheater, conspirator WHATEVER, is not allowed to create any more doubt….at least not in this category of possible greasing.
To me, Rafu is reviewing all the things that people have said and not taking a stance on any of them. Fact is, EITHER Nurse cheated OR Nurse fucked up. I believe it was the second, you obviously have your own opinions as does everyone else, and we will never know the 100% “truth” of the situation. But regardless, the broad truth remains that now there is CERTAINTY that when he steps in the cage, everything remains above board (and is SEEN to be above board as per my post below). That’s all a fan should want, and frankly, I’d say that Nurse will be happy about this as well since he’ll never have to face these questions again.
Nurse fucked up one way or another, and I don’t think he needs anyone to defend him at this point.
"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."
I don't care....
I don’t care if you think he needs to be defended or not. You aren’t the authority on this subject.
What I do know is this. A lot of harsh criticism has been handed out to a man that has proven his honor around the world. This is a man that has dedicated his life to being an honorable Kru and has spred this teahing to his students. Including GSP.
I’m just saying that we don’t need to judge Kru Nurse’s integrity. Please only judge his mistake. This is an unfortunate situation that I’m sure Kru Nurse regrets.
And all I’m saying is that you’re being defensive for no reason in a thread that has nothing to do with Nurse. There’s a dozen other threads you can talk about that in if you want, and I’m frankly sick of talking about that sort of shit in every damn thread.
"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."
I applaud this move 100%. It is a case of making the right move not just to limit impropriety, but actually to limit any appearance of impropriety. In spectacle sports like MMA, the second is just as important as the first (to be seen to be actively NOT cheating), and this is a simple tweak that helps that happen. Awesome.
"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."
I would like to hear what Dana thinks of Mac Danzig’s comments he made about mineral oils, vaseline etc.
They should make a post-fight inspection of fighters too for greasing IMO, that way there is no hiding it.
Yeah, that was some inventive shit there. The sad thing is that fighters who are intent on cheating will always find ways to cheat, and the rules can’t be infinitely contracted without eventually impacting on the fights and fighters. I wish that more fighters had the “budo” that Evan Tanner talked about, and realized that beating the other guy doesn’t mean you’ve won unless you win by simply elevating above your opponent. Cheating is lowering, and inherently losing.
"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."
Gee I didn’t know that was coming..
Kuwabara Kuwabara
by J. B. Maddox on Feb 7, 2009 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
This is a good way to address things going forward.
Keeping the sport free of this sort of thing seems like a no-brainer.
dualdiagnosis, do you work for the BJ Penn camp? Over the past week, you’ve posted over 100 comments on the vaseline issue. Well, there has been a rules change and talk of a rematch so you’ve done your job, I just hope now everyone will give it a rest.
No you don’t work for them or no you’re going to keep humping the issue?
by Derek Suboticki on Feb 7, 2009 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
You’ve said that you didn’t lose money betting on BJ and that you don’t work for him. Over 20 comments per day on this issue at all times of the day since the fight ended seemed odd and excessive to me if you didn’t have some sort of agenda going on.
Following me around counting my posts and seeing at what times I post qualifies as weird stalking.
by dualdiagnosis on Feb 7, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
Who’s following you around? Every vaseline related post on BE over the past week contains several of your same inane comments. At least provide some insightful work like Kid Nate. He seems passionate about this issue and hasn’t posted 1/10 of what you have.
How many times have you posted the above question to me? How about the amount of times you followed me around asking if I bet on the fight or asking other people if I bet on the fight? How many times have you counted my posts?
by dualdiagnosis on Feb 7, 2009 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
I posted the questions to you because I found it so surprising that on every vaseline related post, there you are with your same 20+ comments, adding nothing to the conversation. Why would I ask someone else if you bet on the fight? It’s obvious you have ulterior motifs.
You follow me around posting the same questions over and over, tracking my posts and at what time I make them.
I think you need a new hobby.
by dualdiagnosis on Feb 7, 2009 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry, didn’t realize I was dealing with a 10 year old child. No one is following you around. When anyone reads any of these vaseline related posts there you are again and again. Everyone can see it. I know you’ll want to get in the last post once again showing your immaturity, so this will be the last reponse to you that I’ll post.
Word.
MMA is a better sport for this – the next question will be instant replay for illegal blows, taps the ref missed, etc.
by Derek Suboticki on Feb 7, 2009 12:11 PM EST reply actions
:SARCASM ALERT!:
how about whining after a loss? shoudn’t this be implemented as a new rule, or at least have a statuate of limitations on it, to where you cant whine about something YEARS after the fact. :-)
great move by the UFC, still sad that cheaters like GSP will continue to find ways to cheat, but at least this blatent way of cheating won’t be allowed anymore…nice work UFC…
when did I lose? or any fighters that I like? or any fighters that I bet on? or by loser do you mean that per usual you follow people around crying because they won’t jump on GSP’s bandwagon like you??
(also since you’ve said sore loser, Penn fans using it as an excuse, etc to a bunch of people over 100 times the last week to anyone who says GSP cheated, as I’ve told you before I’m not a Penn fan, just someone who hates cheating in sports, like a majority of the people who were posting about GSP cheating)
Please stop calling GSP a cheater.
thanks
"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"
my bad, read this whole situation wrong. UFC just randomly decided to come up with this change, wasn’t because of anyone cheating or anything, they decided to act before someone could grease up in the corner. Can’t see how I missed that. I apologize, and even though its a different forum also would like to clarify that even though I’ve said A-Rod cheated and used roids, he obviously didn’t.
Here’s the deal: this isn’t your site. We’re happy to have you here so long as you’re not going to wield dramatic accusations. And if you don’t like guidelines, then there are plenty of other sites to use. If you continue to be a smart ass, you’re gone. Again, we’d like to keep you here, but the choice is yours.
One thing I don’t think I’ve seen anybody comment on: this looks like a real move by the UFC to say that they’re gonna institute rules from now on, and the ACs better follow.
Long way down the road, this may be seen as the first step toward the UFC regulating itself. Which is the way it should be, really.
Don’t think that will ever happen, the states want final say as to what happens.
by dualdiagnosis on Feb 7, 2009 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
They want. That doesn’t mean they’ll always get.
I’m not saying it’ll change by next year or even ten years from now, but its a long-term possibility. MLB and NFL and NBA all regulate themselves. Athletic commissions are designed for sports with individual promoters, not for a sport with a dominant promoter. I can very much see the UFC slowly taking the power away from the ACs until it can break free. Its obvious to see why they’d want to; they just fixed a gaping hole in the regulations in the space of a week, where it would take what, a year to get all the ACs to buy into it?
by Michaelthebox on Feb 7, 2009 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
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