ProElite Sold or Nearly Sold

After a number of deals falling through at the last minute, it appears Pro Elite has either been sold or is in the very final stages of being sold as of this morning. Under the terms of the sale, the buyer would likely return to CBS television with live events this year.
The most likely buyer is Strikeforce. The other leading contender was King of The Cage, but industry sources have suggested that Pro Elite fighters are much more willing to fight for Strikeforce than KoTC, and the ease of signing new contracts may have played a part in finalizing this deal.
If the buyer is Strikeforce, the contracts are probably not transferrable, but the vast majority of fighters will likely be happy to just move over and fight there just to get on with their lives.
This is great news for fighters who are finally free from limbo to pursue their careers. If Strikeforce is the buyer, every fighter will have a choice to either move over to the new organization or pursue free agency. As the UFC learned when they bought Pride, personal service contracts are generally not transferrable, especially in a right to work state like California.
[UPDATE] by Nick Thomas: Scott Coker from Strikeforce the new owner of ProElite?:
Announcement coming tomorrow or Friday according to Sherdog Radio.
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YESSSS!!!
Kimbo Slice Vs. Frank Shamrock here we come.
by nitro on Feb 4, 2009 1:52 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
What does this mean for the Strikeforce-NBC relationship?
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Feb 4, 2009 1:53 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
That is a very good question.
And assuming one of those networks is the looser, will they look for a replacement promotion?
by Razreshat on Feb 4, 2009 1:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s exactly what I was thinking.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Feb 4, 2009 1:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I believe SF has an out in their contract with NBC.
Anyone with better knowledge want to help here?
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
by BJJDenver on Feb 4, 2009 3:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think there really is a lot with the Strikeforce-NBC relationship.
Poker After Dark has a similar time slot during the week, and they pretty much pay for the air time and it’s a giant commercial for full tilt. It really wouldn’t surprise me if Strikeforce on NBC is treated by NBC just like an infomercial for Strikeforce, that Strikeforce pays for, and that there is a way out for both parties if they feel like it.
by Phildo on Feb 4, 2009 4:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Regarding SF and NBC
There is none between Strikeforce and NBC.
Currently, Strikeforce pays NBC for the slot.
Strikeforce buying ProElite simply means that negotiations with NBC were not going well at all, since the best thing about purchasing ProElite is their Showtime and CBS contracts. They could still run their NBC show since it is basically a paid infomercial, but I doubt they would need it anymore. Either way, I don’t see it as a big deal.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Feb 4, 2009 4:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
AWESOME!!!
This makes me happy! :)
*feels all warm inside
by xFenixKnightx on Feb 4, 2009 2:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
What does this mean for the Strikeforce-UFC relationship? Isn’t Dana on good terms with those guys?
by Yasnian on Feb 4, 2009 2:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
yah maybe its a good thing cause dana wont be to disappointed when he sees the company in good hands.
I hope this means the fighters can get out of their contracts if they wish to do so, i want to see lawler and shields in the ufc.
by miss_mma on Feb 4, 2009 2:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dana will now see Strikeforce as a threat
And try and put them out of business if Coker does anything he sees as taking more than 1 percent of his market share
Gimme 1 Round!
by skwirrl on Feb 4, 2009 8:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It may be that with a primetime television deal Dana will view Strikeforce as a direct competitor to the UFC and he has a history of doing everything he can to snuff out his direct competitors.
by drightler on Feb 4, 2009 3:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely
Dana will eat his words about wanting the best for Strikeforce.
:)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Feb 4, 2009 3:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m sure Dana will have a smarmy comment Friday.
by bignerd on Feb 4, 2009 4:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How funny would it be if Dana ended up being the buyer.
by iiowyn on Feb 4, 2009 5:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess it’s still possible but not likely. It’s been written several times that CBS has no interest in trying to work a broadcast deal with UFC and is why CBS has steered EliteXC toward Strikeforce.
by bignerd on Feb 4, 2009 6:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Another reason,
UFC only seems interested in a couple of EliteXC’s fighters which they believe they can land pending the sale. They learned in lesson in buying Pride, just because you buy the organization doesn’t mean you gain the contracts of the fighters.
by bignerd on Feb 4, 2009 6:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was just thinking the hilarity of people’s reactions to Dana’s smug mug when it was announced.
by iiowyn on Feb 4, 2009 8:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh god, we would have already seen it!
by bignerd on Feb 4, 2009 11:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If this is true...
…Strikeforce just went from being “a small regional promotion” (Dana’s words) to a big time competitor. Their NBC product is pretty decent, esp given its late timeslot. Good times.
by INGO B on Feb 4, 2009 2:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Contracts
It will good if the fighters can finally get back to fighting.guys like Hands of Steel Scottt Smith NIckDiaz,especially looking forward to seeing Ruthless Robbie Lawler back in action.
I think that a fight against Cung Le would be awesome.that is if he doesn’t continue his acting career.
by TheLevi on Feb 4, 2009 2:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I thought...
Scott Smith was already signed to Strikeforce?He just fought Terry Martin. Unless it was just a 1 fight deal.
by poundnground on Feb 4, 2009 3:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So Babalu
Defending his LHW title on primetime CBS? NICE!
by xFenixKnightx on Feb 4, 2009 2:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Don't worry, he'll still hold that choke until after the commercial break.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Feb 4, 2009 2:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
lol
Yeah, well I’m still a big fan even though I didn’t like that he did that.
by xFenixKnightx on Feb 4, 2009 2:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought it was awesome
taught motherfuckers “don’t run your mouth if you don’t wanna get choked out”
Gimme 1 Round!
by skwirrl on Feb 4, 2009 8:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Come on, man. You train. When you tap, there is a code.
by subo on Feb 5, 2009 1:13 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And this code shouldn’t EVER be broken.
"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."
by AJB on Feb 5, 2009 12:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
WOW That is huge. Just HUGE! I wonder how this will impact his working relationship with Dana? This is going to be very interesting.
by Nick Travaglini
That entirely depends on how he runs his business. And to date, he hasn’t made a mockery of MMA, quite the opposite, and therefore probably has little to fear from Dana.
Hopefully this will get some of those sidelined fighters back in the mix ASAP.
by Razreshat
by Nick Thomas on Feb 4, 2009 3:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
What does this mean? …sounds big but there aren’t much details.
by achengy
Holy hell. The next few days are gonna be pretty interesting.
by Rundownloser
w00t! Finally!
by xFenixKnightx
by Nick Thomas on Feb 4, 2009 3:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Dont hold your breath. The fighters are not a lock for Strikeforce. While some will sign with Strikeforce…others are not. Wilson Reis and Eddie Alvarez are headed to Bellator. KJ Noons is opting for boxing most likely. It makes no sense at all for Jake Shields to go to Strikeforce. Lawler may go, but I still picture him in the UFC. Their best hope is for Carano and Cyborg.
by jason4jc on Feb 4, 2009 3:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Strikeforce may get some of the lower end fighters or the “prospects”
-they may land Kimbo
-they may really land Brett Rogers and Dave Herman
-they may get a few fights from Baroni and Daley, but they want UFC and have said so
-they probably end up with Scott Smith and Benji Radach as well as Ninja Rua, which means they have a really nice middleweight division, plus they may get Frank Shamrock
UFC will end up with
-Shields, Feijao, and Lawler
Antonio Silva will not be with Strikeforce— in other words ProElite lost 3 of their champs for sure and probably Lawler and Shields
by jason4jc on Feb 4, 2009 3:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The thing about Lawler, his contract pays him like a star. He may want to go to UFC, but what if Strikeforce is willing to pay him more to be on of the faces of their promotion?
Feijao also seems like the kind of guy who will field offers from all the major-spending promotions: UFC, Affliction, DREAM, and Sengoku
by smoogy on Feb 4, 2009 4:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The model that pays B level fighters a lot to be the face of the promotion has been tried and it failed. It failed because they end up having to protect that fighter from every fighters that might take him down. Not to say Lawler is B level (I think B, but it is debatable) or Kimbo was B level (more like D), but it is not a strong model. They need to build a good show and not promote fighters as much as events.
by szucconi on Feb 4, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Paying Robbie Lawler 100k a fight to be your headliner isn’t unreasonable or excessive. Lets not pretend like that was the chief problem with EliteXC.
If you’re promoting MMA, you have to have some names to put out there.
by smoogy on Feb 4, 2009 4:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, yes and no. I think you need a main event with someone that people have heard of, but I don’t think you make anyone the face of the org. You let your champs rule and promote them as well as the challangers for the upcoming defence. I.E. you don’t put Faber in EVERY WEC ad because when he loses it looks dumb. Faber is still a top FW, but the same couldn’t be said for Lawler if he went down.
by szucconi on Feb 4, 2009 4:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Strikeforce will work with Affliction.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Feb 4, 2009 3:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Eddie Alvarez will likely sign with Strikeforce after his Bellator tournament
He doesn’t wanna have anything to do with UFC’s exclusivity. He said right now he’s happy to make tons of cash in Japan and fight the best in the world. When he’s made enough he’ll sign with the UFC to introduce himself to the fans that don’t know anything about the sport.
Gimme 1 Round!
by skwirrl on Feb 4, 2009 8:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I really hope Zuffa decides not to try and destroy these guys. They have a good relationship with Scott Coker, so any counter-programming and trash talk would look very obviously petty.
by AnnieAgee on Feb 4, 2009 3:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Good relationship until their first CBS show, most likely.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Feb 4, 2009 3:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think Strikeforce would’ve done this if they thought Zuffa would mind.
This is good news.
by subo on Feb 4, 2009 3:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
LOL!
Subo, are you admitting you were wrong once again.
And BTW, Zuffa will mind.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Feb 4, 2009 3:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We don’t know what Zuffa’s reaction will be, nor the reactions of fighters that have broken their ProElite contracts.
That’s the best part about Zuffa supremacy – there simply aren’t enough world class fighters out there anymore to sustain a #2 organization with any depth across weight classes. For instance, how fucked is your precious Bellator if Eddie Alvarez and Paulo Filho sign up with Strikeforce?
by subo on Feb 4, 2009 4:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I see this as a bad thing...
I really like Strikeforce’s product. I think they do well, and I think they could continue to do well as the “regional” promotion they are.
I can only see this as a bad thing because they are going to be upping the stakes to competing on the level of UFC & Affliction. I think it’s more than just how these companies are run, I simply think the market doesn’t allow for 2 major MMA companies in the states. Beyond that, the UFC doesn’t allow for another major MMA company. They counter-programmed Elite XC, they counter-programmed Affliction.
MMA needs to have other promotions, not neccesarily nationwide promotions, but several promotions for up-and-coming fighters, fighters past their prime… promotions that the market will allow and the UFC will allow.
Ideas?
by MicahW on Feb 4, 2009 3:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Thats what PFC, MFC, XFC, are for.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Feb 4, 2009 3:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So you’re saying it is a bad thing for other promotions to grow? Strikeforce has had TV deals in the US and Canada for a while now. They have run shows outside of their San Jose turf. They stopped being merely a “regional promotion” a while ago. This is just the next step for them.
by smoogy on Feb 4, 2009 4:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i would have to say yes, its bad for this promotion. though it should be every companies dream to get bigger and bigger… in MMA, it seems to be the downfall of many organizations. i’m not happy about it, but i think you’d be hard pressed to find a national organization whom the UFC didn’t purposefully beat into the ground and/or the market (fans) supported enough to prosper. sure we hardcores think a company can rise or fall by our following… but the Affliction PPV buys show that we simply aren’t enough.
by MicahW on Feb 4, 2009 4:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
EliteXC was doing good ratings on TV. If the reports are true, Affliction may have beat all expectations once more with their DoR buyrate. Being big has never killed an MMA promotion, and one could argue that UFC’s counter-programming attempts haven’t really been that successful as a deterrent. The problems are usually of a “we spend more money than we make” nature. And I’m not too worried about that if Scott Coker is the guy in charge.
by smoogy on Feb 4, 2009 7:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
EliteXC was doing ok ratings on CBS for the 2 shows that involved KImbo. By comparison to what networks are used to getting from primetime the ratings weren’t that exciting and the rating for the show without Kimbo was just plain bad.
by who me on Feb 5, 2009 12:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Regarding the NBC Relationship
There is none between Strikeforce and NBC.
Currently, Strikeforce pays NBC for the slot.
Strikeforce buying ProElite simply means that negotiations with NBC were not going well at all, since the best thing about purchasing ProElite is their Showtime and CBS contracts. They could still run their NBC show since it is basically a paid infomercial, but I doubt they would need it anymore. Either way, I don’t see it as a big deal.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Feb 4, 2009 3:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for that I was wondering about it. Good stuff!
by xFenixKnightx on Feb 4, 2009 3:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wanna do some
Terrible, Terrible things to her.
by poundnground on Feb 4, 2009 3:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I get the feeling that, if you tried, she’d be doing the terrible, terrible things to you (but of a somewhat different variety).
"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."
by AJB on Feb 4, 2009 5:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wanna see that girl fight!
I’m getting serious angst over here.
That’s the most upsetting factor in all of this, for me. Not seeing Gina inside the cage.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
by misterjonez on Feb 5, 2009 12:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Carano vs Cyborg in Strikeforce on CBS
This will be their splash on Network TV.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Feb 4, 2009 3:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
maybe. elite had the chance to have these 2 fight on cbs, but chose to “wait it out” and try and do a ppv with them. lets hope whomever signs these 2, wether it be strikeforce or zuffa, that they match them up right from the start.
by bdw on Feb 4, 2009 3:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Make it a championship match for good measure. A shiny new belt around Ginas waist (if she wins of course) can only be a good thing.
by xFenixKnightx on Feb 4, 2009 3:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully Tara LaRosa comes to her senses and signs with them as well.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Feb 4, 2009 3:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think that would be good for them.
by Michaelthebox on Feb 4, 2009 3:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree. Tara would beat either of them. And she looks like a man.
by steak_knife on Feb 4, 2009 3:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, cause Cyborg is being mistaken for Scarlett Johansson, like, all the time.
"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard
by Brett Jones on Feb 4, 2009 3:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Cyborg doesn’t look like a man. She looks like a cyborg.
by Michaelthebox on Feb 4, 2009 3:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Cyborg can stand and bang though
Which appeals to the blood sport fans. LaRosa would sub both of them and its entirely not sexy watching her grind on another girl. I want lipstick lesbian grappling not butch on beautiful
Gimme 1 Round!
by skwirrl on Feb 4, 2009 8:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The thing is, they are going to have to pay for it. I don’t know about Cyborg’s side, but I know Gina’s side is quite ready to renegotiate. Hopefully they do, it would be great for fans.
by Michael Rome on Feb 4, 2009 3:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
First ever womens main event of a major card?
Or co-headlined by whom?
Gimme 1 Round!
by skwirrl on Feb 4, 2009 8:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i think tara might be the best of the 3, maybe to small, but she’s definetly better technique wise.
by bdw on Feb 4, 2009 3:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, which is why Strikeforce shouldn’t want her.
by Michaelthebox on Feb 4, 2009 3:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
*Which is why Strikeforce should want her.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Feb 4, 2009 3:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Do you want Strikeforce to succeed and be a real alternative to Zuffa? LaRosa is not the answer.
by Michaelthebox on Feb 4, 2009 3:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think she will be beaten by either Carano or Cyborg.
Either way, it will be a good threesome.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Feb 4, 2009 3:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe so, but its a risk they don’t need right now. Strikeforce should absolutely load up their women’s division with hotties and cyborgs. LaRosa doesn’t qualify as either.
by Michaelthebox on Feb 4, 2009 4:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They still have Karate Hottie and MMA Barbie to offset them.
Come on. It will work. Trust me. :)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Feb 4, 2009 4:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Man, whats with your obsession with LaRosa?
It might work, it just isn’t worth the risk. LaRosa doesn’t add anything they need right now, and she adds a great deal of risk. She’s kind of like Lindland.
by Michaelthebox on Feb 4, 2009 4:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, that is why I said if the price is right.
And, LaRosa needs a place to fight top competition.
Strikeforce may be the only place to offer that other than PFC.
She will have to make a decision soon, probably. Time is ticking for her.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Feb 4, 2009 4:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, that is why I said if the price is right.
But the right price is basically zero. She adds little value and adds a ton of risk.
She makes much more sense for local organizations and crazy upstarts that want to buy legitimacy. Strikeforce isn’t either.
by Michaelthebox on Feb 4, 2009 4:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not yet, but after purchase, things will change.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Feb 4, 2009 4:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why?
Strikeforce on CBS doesn’t need legitimacy, it needs draws. Legitimacy is for drawing hardcore fans, which Strikeforce needs to develop before they even consider bringing in the likes of LaRosa.
by Michaelthebox on Feb 4, 2009 4:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
IMO, they have always been a bit of both.
I guess we will see what direction they go in.
From what I heard, they wanted to make a big splash on network tv.
Le vs Lawler or Shamrock
Cyborg vs Carano
Thompson vs Ishida
etc.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Feb 4, 2009 4:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Legitimacy always mattered more when they were a small organization that drew largely from the local and hardcore fanbase.
On CBS, that goes out the window. Natural draws are paramount and have to be protected.
by Michaelthebox on Feb 4, 2009 4:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thats where Kimbo and Carano come into play.
Bobby Lashley maybe next? :)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Feb 4, 2009 4:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Natural draws are paramount and have to be protected.
Signing LaRosa is basically the opposite of protecting Carano.
I’m not convinced Strikeforce will really mess around with Kimbo, but Carano is a legitimately great fighter who should only fight other great fighters who could become stars by beating her. LaRosa does not qualify.
by Michaelthebox on Feb 4, 2009 4:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i don’t know, they have Bob Sapp.
What kind of requirements do they have?
:)
I don’t see why they wouldn’t use kimbo.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Feb 4, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
His image has been badly damaged in the US, monetarily it may make more sense for him to fight in Japan or quit fighting entirely.
Its always a monetary issue, and as I said, LaRosa may not be worth the risk even if she works pro bono.
by Michaelthebox on Feb 4, 2009 4:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, protecting Gina is a sensitive subject, so we will see. Same can be said for not letting her fight Cyborg.
Also, Bobby Lashley vs Kimbo or Kimbo vs Sapp wouldn’t hurt anyones image. A freak show fight is something Strikeforce likes and the MMA fan will know these fighters are not being promoted as the best.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Feb 4, 2009 4:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t disagree with the value of freak show fights. I’m just not sure where you see value in bringing in LaRosa. Cyborg isn’t a babe, but she’s scary. Point being, even if she beats Carano, it doesn’t destroy Carano’s value, because she lost to that scary monster and now the rematch will do gangbusters.
LaRosa doesn’t have a selling point beyond her skills, and skills are not a big selling point beyond hardcore fans.
by Michaelthebox on Feb 4, 2009 4:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Larosa only if they can build an entire division
And then you have her fight at least 3 or 4 times to build a following while keeping her far away from Gina. And you work towards a superfight.
Gimme 1 Round!
by skwirrl on Feb 4, 2009 8:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This are talking about it right now… on Sherdog radio.
by Nick Thomas on Feb 4, 2009 3:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
They better stick with the Strikeforce name! Eff EXC!
by xFenixKnightx on Feb 4, 2009 3:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The only shame of this is that it prevents the UFC (or more likely, WEC) from starting their own Women’s MMA division.
While I agree it would have been largely a waste of her drawing power, a WEC division built around Gina Carano, Cristiane Santos, and Tara LaRosa would have been something. There would have been weight issues, but since this is a fantasy, I’m choosing to ignore them at the moment.
Aside from that, however, Strikeforce is going to add some very good talent to it’s roster and, presumably, Kimbo’s drawing power as well. Such that Kimbo still has drawing power after the loss to Petruzzeli. I feel like he still does, for now, but since he hasn’t done anything of note in the US since the loss, you really can’t say for sure.
And on that note, please book Overeem v. Slice for the Strikeforce Heavyweight title immediately.
"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard
by Brett Jones on Feb 4, 2009 3:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Make it a #1 contender match.
"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard
by Brett Jones on Feb 4, 2009 3:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Overeem v. Slice for the Strikeforce Heavyweight title immediately.
I’d buy that PPV. Or if it was on free TV, buy some Strikeforce merchandise.
I think women’s MMA is Strikeforce’s best shot at being a national success. I think the UFC is just too far ahead when it comes to men’s MMA and can pick off any stars Strikeforce makes. But women’s MMA is an open field. Don’t try and compete with Zuffa for the men, and completely take over women’s MMA.
by Michaelthebox on Feb 4, 2009 3:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Regarding Dana vs Strikeforce:
I know everyone’s first twitch is to assume that Dana would be out to destroy them, but…
SF is nowhere near being a regular ppv promotion. I don’t think Coker would be foolish enough to compete directly with UFC for fighters, more likely taking on ones like Babalu, who need a place to fight (in a no Affliction world).
I actually think that Dana may be alright with this. If a somewhat lower level promotion like SF, does a good job and shows MMA in a good light, without directly impacting UFCs ppv sales, it may actually work in UFCs favor. Could you imagine UFC’s bargaining position with broadcast networks if SF is a hit??
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
by BJJDenver on Feb 4, 2009 3:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Once on CBS this sentiment will go out the window with counter programming.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Feb 4, 2009 4:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Possible, but I’m not absolutely convinced. There is still a real possibility of a deal/partnership between Strikeforce and the UFC sometime down the road.
There may be counterprogramming, but thats cause Spike counterprograms every MMA that isn’t on their network, whatever Zuffa feels about it.
by Michaelthebox on Feb 4, 2009 4:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but Strikeforce working with Zuffa is pretty far fetched.
More likely will be the Affliction/Strikeforce partnership that will be coming soon, or as far fetched as working with Zuffa.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Feb 4, 2009 4:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
this is like announcing a partnership with AIG
by Michael Rome on Feb 4, 2009 4:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why far-fetched? I’m not talking about co-promotion, but there could be some kind of A-league/B-league interaction, or even Zuffa eventually buying them out.
I really don’t see where they benefit from an even relationship with Affliction. That only makes sense if Affliction is getting fucked up the ass, which is more than possible given the problems they have right now.
by Michaelthebox on Feb 4, 2009 4:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t believe Strikeforce will be considering themselves B-league anytime soon.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Feb 4, 2009 4:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Unless they’re out of their mind, they already do. The question is how badly they want to become A-league.
by Michaelthebox on Feb 4, 2009 4:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The purchase, if true, pretty much said it.
If they wanted to be B-League, they would not be this intrigued in getting on CBS and Showtime.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Feb 4, 2009 4:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I believe there is another rung between Strikeforce’s current status and Zuffa status. Getting a major deal doesn’t necessarily mean Coker and co. intend to go toe-to-toe with Zuffa.
by Michaelthebox on Feb 4, 2009 4:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn’t want to blow his mind. :)
by Michaelthebox on Feb 4, 2009 4:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This is still a B-league proposition. Coker is a lot more grounded in reality than you are. He is moving from invisible to visible. The only way he can shoot himself in the foot is if he tries to make it an A game.
by Michael Rome on Feb 4, 2009 4:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I just think there is no way to justify this kind of investment if they don’t go forward and think they are an A League, because really, they are with the combination of ProElite fighters and their current roster.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Feb 4, 2009 4:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree. Maybe they are good for 4 shows a year, but not 20.
by szucconi on Feb 4, 2009 4:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If they go ahead with the deal, they have to put on a show every month or 2, that was the requirement from CBS and Showtime.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Feb 4, 2009 4:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I believe the requirement was 10 to 20 shows a year.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Feb 4, 2009 4:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Right, they will have to be B level shows. They can’t stack events. They will look a little deeper then UWC with that type of event frequency.
by szucconi on Feb 4, 2009 4:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
CBS doesn’t do B level shows.
They will want stacked cards for ratings.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Feb 4, 2009 4:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Then they better be happy with 3-4 a year, because their combined roster does not allow for Zuffa-type regularity.
Sorry.
by subo on Feb 4, 2009 4:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yes, 3 to 4 a year on CBS, 7-10 on Showtime is what they are looking for.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Feb 4, 2009 4:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Those showtime cards are going to look like a desert.
by szucconi on Feb 4, 2009 4:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ShoXC cards were pretty good. They made many fans. Cullum vs Reis and Khalidov vs Guida were great fights towards the end.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Feb 4, 2009 4:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No argument with Cullum vs Reis beign great. I like Reis a lot. But Khalidov vs Guida, great? not so much. It was a fat guy bitching and getting beaten down.
by szucconi on Feb 4, 2009 4:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Great on Khalidovs part…lol. Caveman vs Team Diamond was WAR as well.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Feb 4, 2009 4:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that is what made it great!
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
by BJJDenver on Feb 4, 2009 5:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Those ShoXC cards were awfully barren. When one of the best fights you can mention involved a fighter who didn’t even reach the house on the last TUF, thats a shallow talent pool.
by Michaelthebox on Feb 4, 2009 4:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Khalidov didn’t sign with Zuffa because he wanted to fight in KSW still. He is beyond TUF talent, as well as Eddie Alvarez and Paul Daley, who also appeared on ShoXC cards.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Feb 4, 2009 4:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But thats like saying Hector Lombard vs. Steve Byrnes would be a great fight. Its just a talented fighter smashing a can, the sort of fight that would be at the very base of a UFC card if on the card at all.
by Michaelthebox on Feb 4, 2009 5:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ShoXC cards are live TUF shows for EliteXC. Well, that’s what they were.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Feb 4, 2009 5:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If they’re TUF-style shows, you probably shouldn’t count them in as being pretty good, considering the insane amount of shit the UFC gets for the low quality of their TUF shows.
by Michaelthebox on Feb 4, 2009 6:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ShoXC was their development league. EliteXC was the big leagues. Though, the ShoXC cards were pretty good, comparable to WEC cards by many mma fans.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Feb 4, 2009 6:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But you’re saying they want A-level shows. I’m not convinced they can even do that, depending on what we define as A-level, but its clear they’ll have the roster for maybe 4 top shows a year, then a bunch of TUF level shows. That isn’t an A-level promotion, however you slice it.
by Michaelthebox on Feb 4, 2009 6:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Or more specifically, that isn’t the talent for an A-level promotion. Frankly, the WEC would still have significantly better talent, although no stars like Gina, Cung Le, or Kimbo. And we all know the WEC is the Zuffa B-league.
by Michaelthebox on Feb 4, 2009 6:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
A-Level on CBS.
Development on Showtime.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Feb 4, 2009 7:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not sure about them being comparable to WEC cards.
There was 2 different WEC cards last year that I considered worthy of being mentioned as event of the year. Maybe not for the top spot but worth mentioning.
by mattman73 on Feb 4, 2009 6:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Like I say, WEC would still have significantly more talent.
by Michaelthebox on Feb 4, 2009 7:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hard to say now with what roster Strikeforce will end up with. They also work VERY closely with sengoku.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Feb 4, 2009 7:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You’re right. Strikeforce has shown the ability to pull top lightweights from Japan thanks to nonexclusive contracts along with having guys like Melendez and Thomson already with them. They couldn’t hope to run against a promotion with such world class talent as Rich Crunkilton.
by D.Capitated on Feb 4, 2009 10:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d say the aborted November show for EXC probably would have given everyone a run for their money in the WEC. I’d expect something similar talent wise from Strikeforce. There’s a ton of names out there.
by D.Capitated on Feb 4, 2009 10:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
TheBox CB Dolloway
Was #3 main card above Wand and Rampage… I think this negates everything you said previously
Gimme 1 Round!
by skwirrl on Feb 4, 2009 8:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It doesn’t, and I won’t waste my time explaining why to somebody who doesn’t want to hear.
by Michaelthebox on Feb 5, 2009 3:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Keep dreaming. To be a-league, every division needs, like, a 1-10.
by subo on Feb 4, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And after ZUFFA buys them out
They will fold the organization because it lowers their profit margin by nearly .75% and kick everybody out on their ass. Then they will offer to allow the fighters to fight in the UFC for 33-50% of their contracted rate. When they refuse the UFC will lock them out until their contract expires.
Gimme 1 Round!
by skwirrl on Feb 4, 2009 8:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope you’re wrong. They sure didn’t do that to PRIDE.
by subo on Feb 5, 2009 1:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If Affliction wants to give me money then I will partner with them also.
by szucconi on Feb 4, 2009 4:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think Dana will try to destroy them either. I think there’s been a realization inside of Zuffa that another promotion on CBS actually benefits UFC in the long run. It just creates new fans that end up as UFC fans. They may run some counter taped shows, but nothing like the first go-around with pro elite.
by Michael Rome on Feb 4, 2009 4:01 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Yes. Yes. Logic FTW.
Plus, Dana will be able to go to other networks if this does good ratings and say ‘imagine what OUR lineup would do on YOUR network’.
by subo on Feb 4, 2009 4:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The taped shows will be fine, I don’t know why everyone acts like they’re a declaration of war between the UFC and other people.
The live show during Affliction 1 was a direct shot, but Zuffa and Spike would be stupid to not air taped UFC shows when they know people are staying home to watch MMA while there’s a show on CBS.
by Phildo on Feb 4, 2009 4:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
scott coker: zombie slayer
has a nice ring to it.
by woooburn on Feb 4, 2009 4:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Interesting coincidence
How DREAM and ZombieXC both have big announcements planned for the next couple of days…
by smoogy on Feb 4, 2009 4:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I like your thought process
Jacare on the next Strikeforce card?
Gimme 1 Round!
by skwirrl on Feb 4, 2009 8:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't get the hate for UFC counter-programming.
It’s a business that kind of stuff happens in every business.
I mean usually where there is a Coca-Cola machine there is a Pepsi machine right next to it. Does anybody whine about that?
Where I buy my jeans there is at least five different brands right there next to each other. Does anybody whine about that?
When I watch Letterman at night Leno is on another channel. I don’t whine about that. I just watch the one I want to watch. Which is Letterman.
Why is it a big deal if the UFC is competing with another company in it’s field of business? That is what businesses do all the time. Why should the business of MMA be any different?
by mattman73 on Feb 4, 2009 4:35 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
You’re completely right about this.
by Michael Rome on Feb 4, 2009 4:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely, it is competition, which is what I believe Zuffa will see it as.
Some are saying that Zuffa will welcome this and see it as a benefit to them of some sort. I don’t agree witht that.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Feb 4, 2009 4:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The big deal in the minds of some fans, I would hypothesize, is that they generally don’t have an appetite for non-UFC promotions. But that is a whole other ball of wax. When it comes to fans expressing fear for companies with the gall to “step up to Dana”, you’re totally right. It doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. Its like some people see the MMA world like a playground, and UFC is hogging the big red slide.
by smoogy on Feb 4, 2009 4:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Great news really, I always liked Strikeforce (and EXC before it became the Kimbo show). As long as it means another promotion that uses a cage and gives those poor EXC refugee fighters a way to compete I’m happy.
by pr0cs on Feb 4, 2009 4:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
UPDATE:
SI Is Reporting:
ProElite, Inc. and California-based Strikeforce have agreed in principle to an asset purchase, including television contracts with CBS and Showtime, multiple sources have confirmed to SI.com.
Both ProElite CEO Chuck Champion, who has been criticized for his handling of a sale that put the company’s fighters in limbo for four months, and Strikeforce chief Scott Coker denied that any deal is in place. Yet, various sources speaking on the condition of anonymity with intimate knowledge of the negotiations told SI.com that Strikeforce is poised to attain the assets. An official announcement could come by the end of the week.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Feb 4, 2009 6:42 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Zuffa mouthpiece Cindy Ortiz says Coker has a partner too. Sounds like it should be a recognizable name.
by smoogy on Feb 4, 2009 7:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like it could be Terry Trebilcock from KOTC.
Lets see if I am right on this.
:)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Feb 4, 2009 7:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Another Update:
On Wednesday afternoon, multiple reports surfaced that Strikeforce had agreed in principle to a purchase of Pro Elite assets and an announcement was forthcoming by the end of the week.
Strikeforce executive Mike Afromowitz confirmed to MMAInsider that negotiations were progressing, but the deal was not done.
“That’s incorrect,” he said. “Any reports of a done deal are a complete fantasy.”
Afromowitz said the deal with Pro Elite was far more complex than reports had stated.
“It’s complicated, and that’s why I don’t want to speculate,” he continued. “If anything is done, it will be very technical. It’s not as straightforward as you think.”
If a deal between Strikeforce and Pro Elite comes to fruition, Pro Elite’s television deals with CBS and Showtime, as well as select fighters on their roster, are valuable spoils of the transaction. Though Strikeforce has an existing contract with NBC to air pre-recorded fight specials, a live TV deal has eluded them. A deal with CBS could remedy that issue, or perhaps provide leverage in future negotiations with NBC.
Afromowitz said he would have more information soon, but stressed it was too soon to close the books on the saga.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Feb 4, 2009 8:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
coker called Dana to ask for permission
and Dana hasn’t had his secretary call him back yet with the big “Its ok Scott but we want a %”
Gimme 1 Round!
by skwirrl on Feb 4, 2009 8:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
See? That was my concern – if SF cleared this first. If they did, they should be golden.
by subo on Feb 5, 2009 1:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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