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Bloody Elbow Judo Chop: Jon Jones' Greco-Roman Clinic

3250819984_bb3ddf3748_mediumThere was plenty of technique on display at UFC 94. I really had to think about what I wanted to talk about most -- George St Pierre's Superman Jab probably merits a column, and Lyoto Machida's footwork and trips were very nice but for my dollar, Jon Jones' display of Greco-Roman wrestling against Stephan Bonnar was the coolest of all.

For one thing, despite so many high profile MMA stars coming from a Greco-Roman background -- Randy Couture, Matt Lindland and Dan Henderson leap to mind -- I really can't recall ever seeing such a clinic of flashy greco moves in one bout.

Jones caught Bonner with a variety of flashy takedowns, including the suplex that's pictured here. I've talked about the suplex recently so I'm not going to focus on that beyong saying it's a classic greco technique and is perfect for MMA -- flashy and crowd pleasing and the slam does damage as well as scores points.

The move that really caught my eye was the lateral drop with double overhooks that Jones' landed at the end of the second round. There's a step by step explanation of the lateral drop from TheMat.com that describes what Jones did pretty well (note that he had double overhooks on Bonnar, rather than the more customary over/under grip shown at TheMat).

Jones was a state champion wrestler in Iowa -- probably the most competitive wrestling state in the U.S. New York and a national junior college champion out of Iowa (thanks zacd for the correction!). His meteoric rise in pro-mma at the age of 21 promises big things. He only started fighting professionally in 2008 and is already 7-0.

Combined with his beautiful greco technique, he's got some crazy striking: tons of knees from the clinch, spinning elbows, side kicks, some decent punching (although I'd like to see more combinations). His jiu jitsu game is an unknown quantity at this point, but with his youth and ability, he should be able to round out his game a great deal. The sky is the limit for this kid if he can stay focused on training and not let quick success go to his head.

Jordan Breen has more commentary on Jon Jones:

And between the possibilities of athleticism and the possibilities of technique, there is Jon Jones. At 21 years old, with less than a year of pro MMA experience, Jonny Bones has already handled two very serviceable light heavyweights in Andre Gusmao and Stephan Bonnar. Moreover, he has done it with his own distinct brand of hyper-offense, where spinning back elbows are as likely as high-amplitude harai goshi, where flying front kicks are as likely as textbook lateral drops.

MMA has had its share of precocious prospects, but few have had the unique style of dynamism that Jones has. He is an athletic marvel, and not in the hackneyed fast-twitch muscle fiber, "explosive and athletic" way. Jones' coordination, leverage and body control are all amazing natural gifts that only reinforce his nature instincts in the cage. This is a future top-10 fighter who could fight for the next decade. Hell, the way sports medicine is going, maybe two decades (again, fingers crossed, knock on wood). And now, with less than a year's experience, he already makes MMA look like pro wrestling with his knack for hurling humans. Jones is a startling, tantalizing glimpse into the sorts of future MMA may have as similar specimens continue to pour in.

In the extended entry there's some gifs of the lateral toss in the full entry plus discussion of another takedown Jones used in the first round.

About the name of this feature:
I chose Judo Chop because it’s an utter misnomer that is sometimes used by poorly informed MMA commentators during fights. It’s also from the Austin Powers movie. I chose it because it reflects my own lack of expertise and what this column is: my stumbling along in the dark trying to get a handle on the technical aspects of the fights. The techniques featured here will sometimes involve judo but not always. Sorry if that's confusing.

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Here's a gif of a lateral drop from TheMat.com

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Note that in this throw, the wrestler in blue has over-under grips, meaning his left arm is under his opponent's right and his right arm is over his opponent's left. Jones pulled the move on Bonnar with double overhooks, an even harder move to execute.

Another throw that blew me away was the second brutal toss that Jones landed on Bonnar in the first round. The first one appeared to use a leg trip, making it more of a judo move (I could be wrong, very hard to tell from the angle they showed) than a greco move -- lower body attacks are illegal in greco-roman wrestling.

Jones has a whizzer on Bonner with his left arm hooked over Bonnar's right and he's baited Bonnar into pushing against him with all his might. As soon as he feels Bonnar over commit, he grabs a collar tie (wraps his arm around Bonnar's neck) with his right hand and just throws Bonnar to the ground.

NOTE: As Jordan Breen noted in the comments, I missed the leg trip that Jones accompanied the collar tie toss with. Its still super cool, just not a legal greco-roman move. The lateral drop and suplex remain pure Greco.

Moves like that really illustrate the technique behind greco-roman wrestling. Just like wrestlers have been telling us for years, its about technique and leverage, not just strength.

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That was boss!!

I am the bastard love child of Junie Browning and Diamond Dave Kaplan.

by The_Gaijin on Feb 3, 2009 11:32 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Great stuff, Nate.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Feb 3, 2009 11:46 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I was enthralled by his performance. Where they go from here will be a real test of Joe Silva—if they push him too hard he is going to end up like Sokoudjou. But if they give him steady increases he could really be special.

I want to see him fight someone like Matt Hamill next.

by Michael Rome on Feb 3, 2009 11:49 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

excellent point.
I think the difference is that Sokoudjou was commanding a hefty price tag so there was pressure to profit on him immediately.
Jones is very reasonably priced so they should be incentivized to bring him along slowly.
He’s also much more promising IMO than Sokoudjou.

by Kid Nate on Feb 3, 2009 12:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m kind of hoping DREAM or Sengoku blow the doors off with a huge offer to Jones, just to keep things interesting. He would make people fall out of their seats slamming people around like that in Saitama

by smoogy on Feb 3, 2009 3:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

don’t you think it’s harder to pull off slams like that in a ring than in the cage?
not impossible but harder.

by Kid Nate on Feb 3, 2009 4:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What difference would it make? Most of them were away from the cage anyway, weren’t they?

by FRANKIE on Feb 3, 2009 4:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

its just that the ufc has tended to have more dramatic throws and slams than events in the ring — randleman’s suplex of fedor and some of barnett’s throws being notable exceptions.

by Kid Nate on Feb 3, 2009 4:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Rampage’s PRIDE fights as well. And Ishida’s suplexes. I just don’t see what difference there is between a ring and a cage in this situation.

by FRANKIE on Feb 3, 2009 6:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

more rope grabbing in the ring.

by Kid Nate on Feb 3, 2009 6:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

plus the lateral drop — you’re risking throwing yourself out of the ring pulling that move.

by Kid Nate on Feb 3, 2009 6:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe, but you’ll certainly take your opponent with you. And I see plenty of fighters grabbing the cage to stop takedowns. Anyway, I think I’ll just agree to disagree on this one.

by FRANKIE on Feb 3, 2009 7:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yup.
I’d like to see some statistical analysis of whether the ring or the cage has more dramatic slams and throws per fight.

by Kid Nate on Feb 3, 2009 7:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I completely agree.

Also, they could match him up with somebody with deficient jiu-jitsu, so he could work on his transitions/submissions.

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Feb 3, 2009 12:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Jim Jones vs Ben Saunders

"Stop smiling you are about to be punched in the face !"

by Warhand on Feb 3, 2009 1:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

A dream matchup for sure. I’ve always wondered how megalomaniacal cult leaders would do in an MMA match. L. Ron Hubbard vs. Steve Cantwell or Marshall Applewhite vs. Gray Maynard could be the co-main event. ;-)

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Feb 3, 2009 2:56 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

LMFAO!!

JON JONES! MOTHERFUCKER!…….LOL

"Stop smiling you are about to be punched in the face !"

by Warhand on Feb 3, 2009 3:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

205 vs. 170?

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Feb 3, 2009 3:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I had Saunders @ 185 and I forgot Jones was 205 he looked a lot lighter than Bonnar.
This sucks because I have been running around here yelling Saunders vs Jones for a couple of hours now. Embarassing for sure but fortunately the memory of most blog commentors appears to be approx. 12 – 20 hours.

"Stop smiling you are about to be punched in the face !"

by Warhand on Feb 3, 2009 4:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m making a note of this particular error and intend to bring it up again in the future.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Feb 17, 2009 11:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I was amazed by this guy. I knew a bit about him coming into the fight and was hoping for some exciting stuff, but wow… not that Bonnar is top 10 or anything but he is a formidable opponent and Jones tossed him around like a ragdoll.

I very much look forward to his next fight.

by mythbuster on Feb 3, 2009 11:55 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I was waiting for this!

Jones’ performance was definitely worth a Judo Chop segment. His balance is unbelievable and seems to make up for some of the holes in his game. I was impressed that he was able to prevent being pushed around by a bulkier Bonnar, who is a big LHW.

I really hope he ignores the hype and keeps training, because he has the potential to be champion.

by ricker2005 on Feb 3, 2009 11:56 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

The collar tie/whizzer throw

Anyone know a better name for this move?

Gif by Chris Nelson

by Kid Nate on Feb 3, 2009 11:58 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

I’d say it’s like a deashi harai from the collar tie, which is pretty much how you’d have to modify the throw for MMA purposes.

by Jordan Breen on Feb 3, 2009 12:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

good info. any idea what its called in greco?

by Kid Nate on Feb 3, 2009 2:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It’s called a penalty for using your feet.

by Jordan Breen on Feb 3, 2009 2:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Since I got the obligatory lulz, I’ll just that in freestyle/foklstyle, it would just be a foot sweep from the double-collar tie.

by Jordan Breen on Feb 3, 2009 2:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ah, dammit, you’re right, he is tripping Bonnar. I thought that initially and then decided he wasn’t and now clearly see that he is.

by Kid Nate on Feb 3, 2009 2:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Breen!

I will play my game beneath the spin light.

by Eugene Schelfaut on Feb 16, 2009 9:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you, Thank You, Thank You

The first thing I thought when I saw Jones was, “OMG his legs are really skinny” thoughts of the Corey Hill shin break flooded back. Then Bonnar started flying around the ring and I was jumping all over the place. The doble over lat drop was very cool but for my money the collar tie whizzer throw was brutal. Can you imagine that on cement! Jones had his arm so twisted up with Bonnars arm and head he probably couls have thrown him out of the ring. I don’t know the name but Jones also dropped to a knee out of the clinch and pulled Bonnar down onto the ground before taking his back at one point. Ofcourse I was bummed out over Jones being totally gassed out after the first round. I was also disappointed when he did not continue his assault after landed the spinning back elbow. He kind of turned around to admire his work and gave Bonnar the chance to survive. Those are the mistakes of a young fighter. The sky is the limit for this guy. I hope he has a good strong chin.

"Stop smiling you are about to be punched in the face !"

by Warhand on Feb 3, 2009 12:17 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

yeah I liked that knee drop to the back move too but couldn’t begin to explain it, much less find a name for it.

by Kid Nate on Feb 3, 2009 12:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

drop toehold.

by Michael Rome on Feb 3, 2009 12:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Great fight, great gifs, and a great article w/ only one Machida reference.

I promise: no more drunken posts

by beery_pbr on Feb 3, 2009 12:27 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

a man’s gotta get paid you know.

by Kid Nate on Feb 3, 2009 12:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

lol

I promise: no more drunken posts

by beery_pbr on Feb 3, 2009 12:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I was really happy for this kid to come in the way he did

I’ve never seen a fighter in a better mood after a fight. He came out about an hour after the card ended and a group of about 10-15 fans mobbed him for pictures.

Two smaller Canadian fans took a picture on either side of him, and he says, “Hold on” and picks them up, one in each arm for the picture.

Then a big guy came up to him, “Ok now you pick me up” and he jumped into his arms like a baby.

There were a few more really funny pictures that he did with the fans and then he stopped to thank everyone (another first from a fighter leaving post-fight for me).

He definitely won a few fans for life. I hope for big things for the kid.

by Day Man on Feb 3, 2009 12:27 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

that’s great to hear.

by Kid Nate on Feb 3, 2009 12:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I do like his different and varied attack

but I do think that the spinning elbow move is going to be a sore point for a while, especially if it tends to land on the back of the head more often than not.

by Razreshat on Feb 3, 2009 12:36 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

He was a NY State Champ not Iowa

and 3rd his junior year. Source about halfway down the page under 2005 All Americans. He went to Iowa to wrestle for a year in college and as I understand he was a juco champ there. Then his girlfriend got pregnant so he dropped out to put food on the table.

by zacd on Feb 3, 2009 12:43 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Great article Nate. I always look forward to these things, especially this one.

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Feb 3, 2009 12:49 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

thanks man!

by Kid Nate on Feb 3, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Man you gotta think that Dana is stoked about this kid. He not only has the flash of Bruce Lee, but he has the instincts as well. Seemed like no flashy move was out of place or put him at risk in any way and they all did damage and scored points. He never over committed or was forceful. His only deal was gassing in the 3rd, but it wasn’t like he was Shogun gassed.

However he needs to be careful, a well-planned and studied fighter could break down some of them for a really powerful counter.

I sort of wondered if he wasn’t a bit concerned because he nailed him in the back of the head after he dropped him with that elbow.

by Dooda on Feb 3, 2009 1:33 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

He did make one mistake late in the 2nd round — just after landing that beautiful lateral drop, Bonnar got back up and Jones tried a really ill-advised takedown that landed him under Bonnar, fortunately with no time left on the clock.
If he pulls that kind of stunt against Rampage or even Matt Hamill, he’ll catch a beat down.

by Kid Nate on Feb 3, 2009 2:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Great article dude. Well put together. I’d love to see one of these about Lyoto’s footwork though, because that was true perfection.

by Dooda on Feb 3, 2009 1:34 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

i’m going to have to wait until his book comes out to even begin to fathom his footwork!

by Kid Nate on Feb 3, 2009 2:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You have any info on a book for him or are you just hopeful like I am?

by Day Man on Feb 3, 2009 2:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Victory Belt has already announced that it’ll be out in 2009.

by Kid Nate on Feb 3, 2009 2:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Awesome, I’ve read the Anderson Silva and B.J. Penn books but this is the one I’m most excited about because I feel like I don’t understand a lot of what I’m seeing watching his fights.

by Day Man on Feb 3, 2009 4:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

exactly.
I’ve gotten a lot out of every victory belt book i’ve read but machida is a whole new world.
Don’t miss the Fedor book either.
Anderson Silva’s was probably the most relevatory so far.

by Kid Nate on Feb 3, 2009 4:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Good point on the Fedor book, I read the review and then I forgot to buy it. It was your review of the Penn book that got me to take the initial plunge into Victory Belt’s library. Thanks for the heads up and the hard work.

by Day Man on Feb 3, 2009 6:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

my pleasure. nice to be appreciated.

by Kid Nate on Feb 3, 2009 6:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Next Opponent?

What do poeple think are some likely matchups for Jones’ next fight?

by Thunder Lips on Feb 3, 2009 1:40 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

they need someone a little slower than Irvin

by #5mmafan on Feb 3, 2009 4:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ben Saunders

"Stop smiling you are about to be punched in the face !"

by Warhand on Feb 3, 2009 2:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

nevermind

"Stop smiling you are about to be punched in the face !"

by Warhand on Feb 3, 2009 4:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

How about...

Ravishing Red, coming off four staright wins. See if the kid has a ground game

by myownsummer on Feb 3, 2009 2:07 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Gusmao is just as if not more decorated in BJJ than Schaefer, or I’m getting him confused with someone else?

Bonnar’s a Brown Belt in BJJ…Jones would beat Schaefer pretty easily. Hamill is a good match up choice…he’s durable…good wrestler, and heavy hands.

by Kelvin Hunt on Feb 3, 2009 2:26 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

The coolest move might've been

The Armspin right before the german suplex:

I made a thread about all the different throws he pulled off. One person suggested that the deashi harai was actually a hiza garuma, and the double overhook lateral drop is called a Salto

by smoogy on Feb 3, 2009 3:23 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

that one was very very cool.

by Kid Nate on Feb 3, 2009 3:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Armspin…yes that was what I was thinking of before but I thought he had dropped to a knee. That is scary how spins to his stomach underneath and is able to immediately take Bonnar’s back.

"Stop smiling you are about to be punched in the face !"

by Warhand on Feb 3, 2009 3:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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