UWC 5: Man O' War in Pictures
Iman Achhal reacts to her razor thin split decision victory in her professional debut over Felice "Lil' Bulldog" Herrig. View all of the photos by Melanie LeGoullon exclusive to Bloody Elbow here.
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I’d love to view the rest, but that site is banned at the office.
Acchal’s reaction was wonderful. I can only imagine the emotions she must have been feeling when they announced the decision, but I think this picture captures it well. She stunned a lot of folks that night.
I’m still surprised they booed her after cheering her so loudly coming into the fight. I know it wasn’t the world’s most exciting fight, but come on, it’s not like she announced that she moved from Virginia to Soviet Russia between rounds two and three.
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I didn’t like the booing either, it may not have been the most exciting fight but I was certainly forgiving considering both fighters were making their pro debuts. UWC also deserves props for making the women’s fight 5-minute rounds, I’ve always felt women should get those instead of 3-minute rounds.
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The 5-minute rounds did not happen on purpose, actually.
Though, it did serve as an example of why women’s fights should perhaps be limited to 3-minute rounds, as the action did stall a bit at times.
Still, I enjoyed that fight overall. Achhal got her eye worked over by Herrig, yet kept Herring grounded the majority of the time.
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What, cause no match between male complete newcomers to pro-MMA has ever stalled during a five minute round?
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…or even non-newcomers. I don’t think the stalling down of a bout is particularly gender specific.
by Cannon Jacques on Feb 25, 2009 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
That’s fair to say, but I don’t know that it’s coincidence that the first women’s fight I’ve ever seen with three 5-minute rounds was also the least exciting women’s fight I’ve ever seen. That isn’t saying much, mind you, as the women’s fights I’ve seen have been spectacular by and large.
I suppose you could argue that because they were debuting that they were fighting against nerves as well as their opponent, which could have accounted for the more conservative displays from each. However, a lot of times you see newcomers to the sport go in the opposite direction and leave it all in the ring because they just don’t know any better.
Actually, what I feel happened was that both fighters trained for and expected the fight to be contested in three-minute rounds. They wouldn’t have known as round one went on that the round had an additional two minutes tacked on to it, and I’m sure that played a large role in how the fight played out from there on. The same goes for the additional two minutes on the end of rounds two and three.
Still, I enjoyed the fight overall.
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you still haven't explained
why you feel that 3 minute rounds are more appropriate for women.
As a woman, who was very pleased the UWC didn’t make them fight 3 minute rounds, I’m interested in your point of view, specific to how 3 minutes benefits women as opposed to men of course.
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Well, the fight was going to be 3 min rounds, but they made a mistake. It wasn’t a special bout or special rules in VA. I enjoyed the fight and I didn’t think the round length got to either fighter. They both were well conditioned. I thought Hering needed to work on her wrestling clinch as aposed to her muy thai clinch a little more. She did well to avoid the take down a lot, but the match stalemated in the clinch because Hering wouldn’t give the takedown and couldn’t fight out of the clinch.
I figured it was a mistake. There were a lot of little boo-boos on Saturday that didn’t really detract from the show but were a little obvious to the crowd.
I agree on you assessment of the fight though. I hope it doesn’t keep them from having more female matches in the future.
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I don’t necessarily feel three-minute rounds for women are more appropriate. All I can really say is that of all the women’s MMA matches I’ve witnessed, all but one has been conducted under a three-minute round structure, and the one that was not was the least exciting. That’s not to say that the fight was not entertaining (it was), or that women shouldn’t be able to compete across five-minute rounds (I feel they should).
I simply feel that there is an argument that can be made, after having watched this fight, to keep women’s matches at a three-minute time limit per round.
Of course, as was swiftly pointed out by another commentor, it’s not as though we haven’t seen dull fights, much more dull than Herrig v. Achhal, in fact, take place between men across five-minute rounds. Sex doesn’t necessarily play an issue, it’s true. Though, when a particular standard has been set, and a deviation from that standard leads to different results than that to which one has become accustomed, it’s easy to jump to conclusions. Really, that’s what I did.
I really did not intend to assert that I think women should not fight five minutes per round. I myself have felt that it made little sense to have different standards for the round duration based solely on gender.
As I said, I feel the extra two minutes being mistakenly added on to each round must have taken a toll on the fighters, who were not expecting to fight in five-minute rounds. It’s unfortunate, then, that the first female fight I witnessed with five-minute rounds occurred under this circumstance. While I can rationalize why the action may have gone the way it did, I wonder if others in attendance will be able to do so as well, or if they will simply conclude, as I previously suggested, that the three-minute time limit per round is more appealing.
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beautifully put
I understand where you were coming from now. Thanks for explaining it so eloquently. I can actually agree with you to a certain extend that if the standard is 3 minutes and that’s what you train for it can be very difficult to transition to the 5 minute standard. Thanks again Brett!
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Not just transition to a different standard, but doing so mid-match! While it was interesting as a fan who had never seen women fight in five-minute rounds, I think it did the fighters a disservice.
I just can’t help but wonder how the fight might have gone that the time limit been properly set.
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Time limits different for sexes make no sense
What makes women so different than men when it comes to 3 minute or 5 minute rounds?
Do women have less cardio than men?
Do women have less skill and heart to last 5 minutes?
What exactly makes women less than men when it comes to wheter they can bang it out for 5 minutes or 3 minutes?
In my opinon nothing, just small minded people who see a woman and say oh wow she should not be a fighter she might get hurt or mess up her face, well what about a man he is gonna have the same thing happen too. It is society that puts limits on us all!
by karatevideoguy on Feb 25, 2009 9:42 PM EST up reply actions
Luke...
How close was the Felice decision? How did you score it?
I was a bit surprised to see her lose, but it was her first pro MMA bout, correct?
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I would like to see all fights men a women be 5 – 3 min rounds. with title fights being 5 – 5 min rounds
Not a big fan of the ground game?
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by Richard Wade on Feb 25, 2009 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
really, really enjoyed myself
I was really, really pleased with the fights we saw at the UWC Man “O” War show last Saturday. Several people from my Meetup group went with me and I think all of them were just as pleased as I was. This was my second UWC show and I’m already planning on attending the next one in April.
Sad that Antwain lost though… :(
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He seemed at a loss when Patterson got him in the guillotine, but he still managed to land a couple of good shots despite the match only lasting 44 seconds.
I wasn’t sure about his ground game coming into the match, but it’s clear to me that’s where he needs to focus his training for the time being. If he can develop to the point where he can keep the fight where he wants, presumably on the feet, then he is going to be a nightmare for a lot of guys.
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Patterson has a great guillotine, but Britt really had no clue how to get out. He needs to go do some front bridges until his head bleeds.
Yeah, don’t get me wrong: I’m not saying Britt would have escaped had he done everything you’re supposed to in that situation. I am saying that if you do what he did when caught in a guillotine (i.e. just use your hands to try to escape), you’re not doing yourself much good.
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Iman's Gas
Hey guys,
Iman broke her nose training 1.5 weeks before the fight. Which is why her gas was so low. If you notice, she fought with one mouth piece for the first round, and an other for the next two rounds. Just to help us control her breathing.
Anyway, it was a GREAT fight, and we are truly happy that she pulled through.
~Jeremy
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Welcome, Jeremy. Marcello told me about Iman’s nose. A very spirited performance on her part.
by Luke Thomas on Feb 25, 2009 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
Her back story makes me a fan no matter what.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
Totally. And a gutsy performance on top of it really seals the deal.
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by Rundownloser on Feb 25, 2009 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
Good question.
I never really thought about her gas, she looked to be working what she wanted to work. She had the wrestling clinch takedown and Herrig did a fine job of stalemating the match aginst the fence. I mean it was her debut and the debut of the five minute rounds for women, I say she did one hell of a job and looked great doing it.

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