Quote of the Day: Keith Jardine Won't Fight Rashad Evans for the UFC Title
by Kid Nate on Feb 25, 2009 9:56 AM EST
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MDS: Would your friendship with Rashad Evans prevent you from fighting him for the title?
Keith Jardine: Absolutely.MDS: Well, let's say you beat Rampage, and then, just talking hypotheticals, maybe you beat the Chuck Liddell-Shogun Rua winner, and Rashad goes on a run, maybe he beats Lyoto Machida and keeps defending his title a couple more times after that, you win a few more fights, and you two establish yourselves as the top two light heavyweights, and Dana White, Joe Silva and Lorenzo Fertitta all sit you down and say they want you to fight Rashad for the title. You'd tell them no?
Jardine: You know, a lot of things would have to happen for that to take place. That's a great problem to have. I hope that happens. We'll see what happens then. That'd be a great problem to have.
Keith Jardine talking to Michael David Smith.
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who cares… never going to get to that point… chuck will beat jardine if they fight again, machida will beat rashad
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Nope, aaaaaaaaand nope again.
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Feb 25, 2009 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
Rashad might have the best chance to beat Machida…but Machida would still be the favorite.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
I don’t think Machida will come in as the betting odds favorite in a fight for the title with Rashad
"Japan is half-Machida" - iiowyn
Machida has yet to lose a round in the octagon, Rashad lost to Tito on the judges cards. That being said, I would not doubt people would skew the lines to Rashad being the favorite because he is more well known and has had some highlight reel KO’s. Most experts however, will have Machida as the favorite.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
Machida may take Rashad but I don’t see Chuck beating Jardine in a rematch if they ever fight again…
Jardine rocked Chuck in their last fight and after the Rashad KO, those type of shots go from just wobbly legs to limp on the canvas….
by Shackelford on Feb 25, 2009 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
I understand posing the initial question,
but the addition of the other scenarios to try and get him to say whether or not he would fight Rashad is kind of ridiculous.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
I looked at it as a couple of questions rolled into one: If the money was right would you do it? Is it friendship keeping you apart? Is it training together and knowing each others skills?
Those are all valid points.
My only take is this: if both fighters do someday both end up being at the top during the same time period it would be ridiculous not to do it. If you are unwilling then you should change weight classes.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
ofcourse it would be a great problem to have.. what camp wouldnt like to have the consensus #1 and #2 in the division right?
But sorry it wont happen, Cause both of you guys are going downnn.. Machida will hadoken his way to the title..
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by Anton Tabuena on Feb 25, 2009 10:05 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
This he’s my friend, we train together stuff has got to go. Professional fighters, key word being professional, should be willing to put aside their friendships if the match making dictates that need to fight.
I know.
What would fighters do if they truly were the #1 & #2 guys in the division? First one to get the belt keeps it until he loses to someone else & then the next guy gets his shot? I am sorry, but you can still be friends outside the cage. I can sort of see if you were talking about just fighting each other with nothing really on the line, but we are talking a belt here.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
if any 2 people from the same camp becomes the consensus #1 and #2 (just like how the guy explained in the post), the wouldnt make it a problem.. i can guarantee you that.. The camp would still surely end up with a champion, both will still be friends so that wouldnt be a problem.. It only becomes an issue if they were asked to fight if they weren’t #1 and #2..
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by Anton Tabuena on Feb 25, 2009 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
I would hope that to be the case,
but would these guys be able to get in there & fight with the tenacity they would against another opponent or would they just be there for the money? A true fighter should be able to fight his brother with the same force he would another opponent that he has nothing against.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
now that i doubt..
It would be like sparring but without the pads and with full force.. But the tenacity and ferocity that you usually see wont be there.. maybe something the davis lytle fight, although a little more highfives and smiles, and a little less intent on trying to take the opponents head out.. (its a weak comparison i know hahah)
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by Anton Tabuena on Feb 25, 2009 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
Take a look at the Rampage/Hendo fight for an example.
Professionals should be capable of trying to do damage while still respecting their opponent. In that fight, make no mistake about it, those two were headhunting the entire night.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
well i think its a big difference between a guy you have lots of respect for, from a guy who is truly a close friend (even considered as family)..
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by Anton Tabuena on Feb 25, 2009 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
Probably true,
but Hendo & Page seem and stated they are very good friends.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
yup, but good friends, like hi hello i respect you youre a cool guy lets have a beer share some laughs blahblah… is different from the kind of friend you live/train/eat/sleep/bleed together with..
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by Anton Tabuena on Feb 25, 2009 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
I said that I agree with that part
but this is still a professional sport & guys in other sports (football, baseball) do it all of the time with those same types of friends. I just think you should be able to separate yourself.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
yup. i agree with you also. If they were #1 and #2 we’d see the fight for sure.. although i doubt we’d see the same ferocity that they will have when fighting another person..
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by Anton Tabuena on Feb 25, 2009 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
That is all I would want to see.
If the fight meant nothing, then I would be alright with them not wanting to fight each other. But once you are in the top 10 in your class you have to set aside the personal issue.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
Indeed
They beat one another up everyday training together. However, you don’t want to get paid to do it?
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by Kelvin Hunt on Feb 25, 2009 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
Then get him out of the title picture.
Look, I know the Jackson camp is very tightly knit, that they feel as though they are brothers, and that they have extensive knowledge about the training habits of each other; information which, if two of their fighters were pitted against each other, could be exploited.
At the same time, we’re talking about professional fighting here. That is, we’re talking about people who get paid to compete. It is a business, first and foremost, and for fighters to compete in the same organization, in the same weight class, and reject the idea of one day competing against each other regardless of where they train is presposterous. They are getting paid to fight, not be friends. Though, in my opinion, the relationship should not matter.
Think about it. Seasoned veterans, Evans and Jardine both. Yet they refuse to fight one another. Ignoring for a moment the fact that the two have, in fact, fought before, it seems strange to me that two friends would not want the opportunity to work together to make each other a substantial sum of money. Yes, they will have to hit each other; it is a fight after all. However, we as MMA fans understand that fighters do not necessarily need to go into every fight trying to knock the head off of his or her opponent. It’s perfectly plausible for two friends to compete on a high level without endeavoring to injury each other. Yes, injuries may occur, but so too can they occur during training, which we all know Jardine and Evans do with each other on a rigorous level on a daily basis.
If you’re competing in a sport professionally, your goals must be to make money and achieve the highest honor the sport allows. By refusing to fight Evans, Jardine would be foregoing the opportunity to do both. I’m sure that in his mind this connotes loyalty to his friend and his camp, but what about the loyalty to himself, to the fans, and to his friends ability to earn a payday?
If Jardine beats Rampage, he should get in there, compete against his friend, make money, and after their fight is over, the two can share a drink and reminisce about the fight. To me, that would be a true display of loyalty on many levels.
"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard
Yeah, getting brutally knocked out by your best friend would make training with him so much fun after that. Are you serious? Some things are sacred.
If you care about sacred, then don’t punch people in the face for a living (Diego Sanchez not included).
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
walking around screaming YES! every 10 secs counts as being sacred right?
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by Anton Tabuena on Feb 25, 2009 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
We’re talking about professionals competing in the sport they’ve chosen to earn their livelihood in, not long lost brothers reuniting on the battlefield, forced to literally kill each other.
I’m not sure what about this professional sporting contest would lead you to assume that brutality would be the only conclusion, but I think it speaks more to your perception of MMA than it does the reality of the circumstance. Expecting one to “brutally” knock the other out is akin to expect a pitcher to throw high heat in on an opposing batter with whom he is friends.
Besides, if the relationship is truly as “sacred” as you imply, it stands to reason that the relationship is strong enough to weather the in-cage storm, regardless of the perceived brutality of it all.
"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard
by Brett Jones on Feb 25, 2009 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
Thank you! This is exactly my point.
My best friend in high school drilled me right in the back with a 94 mph fastball & we hung out together afterwards. I was sore as shit, but I knew that I could get my revenge.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
Right, and that’s so similar to actualy trasing blows with someone. Pfftt.
Are you serious with that example??
The analogy is about "professionals" being able to set aside
personal issues to do what has to be done. There are plenty of fights with nothing personal (bad blood) between the fighters. Do you honestly believe that no two fighters that were matched up against each other were, currently or previously, training partners? It is BUSINESS man! Would an NFL player knocking the piss out of his best friend on another team relate better for you?
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
Because Jardine pretty much always gets brutally KO’d?
And you make it seem like it’s something friends within the sport always do..fight each other. Please point out 2 guys that train together and are close who have fought each other in recent years.
I can think of one other example where two top guys were asked this question
& it was Silva & Fihlo. My point was this is sport/business & does not have to be personal. You have a job to do, so do it.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
For some it may not be that easy,
but for some it does not prove to be an issue-Hendo vs Rampage.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
This sport is all about competition.
Finding out, one on one who is better on a given day. Do you think they do not train hard against one another?
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
The important part here is
who’s that chick on the right? Good GOD!
“I wanna be on you” -Ron Burgandy
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
her boobs are related to edith's..
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by Anton Tabuena on Feb 25, 2009 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
I don't mind.
Looks like her whole body is too.
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Feb 25, 2009 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
although i prefer their natural born cousins, i wouldn't mind those too.
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by Anton Tabuena on Feb 25, 2009 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
She’s packing some serious sweater meat.
Yeah, who got the final Death Blow? 'Cause I thought that Hawaiian guy had it comin' to him. - C. K.
by monkeyfightclub! on Feb 25, 2009 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
Jardine is not in the title picture
Jardine is a gatekeeper at best. He is not consistent enough to even be considered for a title shot. Jardine only serves as a road block which prevents Rampage from getting a title shot before Machida. Machida fans should want Jardine to beat Rampage and clear the path for Machida vs Evans. Rampage vs Evans is a cool fight but Machida vs Evans is pure awesomeness.
"Stop smiling you are about to be punched in the face !"
To me
Machida vs Evans is a cool fight but Rampage vs Evans is pure awesomeness. Having 2 of the best African-American fighters in the world fight for the UFC’s most coveted belt is a great thing for fans and great for the sport IMO. ESPN will be all over this :)
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Feb 25, 2009 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
Then the Brazilian ninja comes in and steals the belt.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
Thats fine with me
I just wanna see this fight first :)
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Feb 25, 2009 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
Rampage vs Evans is a cool fight but Machida vs Evans is pure awesomeness.
This amuses me on multiple levels.
"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard
Your sig makes this funny, Warhand. :)
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Feb 25, 2009 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
You seem upset. I’ll explain.
That someone would call a bout between Machida and Evans “pure awesomeness” is amusing when you consider that it wasn’t that long ago when most MMA fans were lamenting their inclusion on any event, bemoaning their boring style and the inevitable decision with which their matches would conclude. It’s funny how things change.
Additionally, looking at the two matches from a purely financial standpoint, the former is easily the bigger money match than the latter. I imagine Dana White feels very much the opposite of you.
"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard
TY
You’re right, that is amusing. Thanks for explaining. Why is that? Have they gotten better? Are they taking more risks? Better match ups? Probably a combination of these things I suppose.
For the record, the amount of $ the UFC makes on an event does not register points on my awesomeness scale.
"Stop smiling you are about to be punched in the face !"
It’s impossible for me not to consider the financial implications of most ever match, but particularly the main events. Part of that is because I’m a geek and statistics and permutations and all that appeals to me, but part of it is because in the back of my mind I feel like the sport could still, even at this point, come crumbling down with just a few foolish decisions. In the case of ZUFFA, it’d take a few more mistakes than it would for any other organization, but still, that’s how my brain works.
As for Machida and Evans, I think it’s clear that Machida’s victory over Thiago Silva has turned a lot of heads. It’s funny, because while he’s not known for how he finishes fights, the outcome really shouldn’t be all that surprising. We’re talking about a counter fighter getting the best of a very aggressive fighter. We saw a similar outcome against Sokodjou. For me, anyway, the intrigue of Machida has always been how he has yet to take any significant damage in any of his UFC fights. That impresses the hell out of me.
As for Evans, yes, he’s had a stylistic renasiance. That’s probably an overstatement, but this is a guy who went from being a wrestler, to a guy who had a Mirko Crop Cop-esque high kick knockout, to a guy that has really developed his boxing and relies almost entirely on it, and with tremendous results. To me, it’s that boxing that makes the match with Rampage more intriguing, because you know Rampage is going to go after Rashad and they will match skill against skill.
With Machida, while all of his fights intrigue me, I’m not as sure it will be an exciting fight. I’ll be glued to my TV as it happens, but I’m not as sure it will be a fight that I’ll want to return to time after time. Which is not to say that it won’t be good, just that I don’t necessarily see their two styles making for as exciting a bout as you seem to at this point.
"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard
We aren't ignoring
See above :)
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Feb 25, 2009 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
Ok, I clicked the link to the actual article
and it still had no information on that blonde….what kind of site are you guys running here?
some questions answer themselves
"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"
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