No One Fights Like Kyle Baker
I'm still working up my personal UWC: Man O' War wrap-up as getting all of the relevant details right without making it an onerous read has proven quite difficult. All things being equal, it was a fantastic event for the metro Washington, D.C. area and more importantly, the best showcase I've seen to date of the talent in the Mid-Atlantic region.
In fact, one of the fighters was so unique I felt the need to call some long overdue attention to him.
If you've never heard of Kyle Baker, I don't blame you. The truly hardcore fan who slurps up any morsel of local show product to be the first to discover any particular area's next big prospect are familiar with both Kyle and his brother Beau (more on them here), but even to most dedicated MMA fans Baker is not a noteworthy name. I don't know if that will change over time. To be sure, Baker is a very capable fighter and top Mid-Atlantic prospect after beating both "Binky" Jones and most recently, Levon Maynard at this past weekend's event. Unequivocally, I say he certainly has potential. But he has liabilities as well, most notably in his stand-up game which remains a serious Achilles heel Baker will have to address if he is ever to fight national and international class competitors.
So, do not be confused here: I am not touting Baker for his overall MMA ability, though it is certainly considerable. Rather, I want to talk about the way Baker fights and wins in modern MMA as his style is, I believe, something new and totally unique. Jordan Breen and I were talking about Baker and could think of no one who fought like him, which is saying quite a bit.
To put it bluntly, Baker has what can only be described as the functional equivalent of standing ground and pound. He hasn't always used the style. In fact, I've only seen him employ it in his last three fights, which indicates to me he's developed the style over time.
So what does it look like? Just as it sounds: its ground and pound from the standing position. Baker loves to clinch, put his opponent's back against the cage then use a very careful and suffocating blend of a controlling Greco clinch with a traditional Thai clinch with a splash of dirty boxing for style. You may say there are a number of fighters who already use such a style, but the devil is in the details. First, what separates Baker's style from a Couture-esque dirty boxing attack is that a) Baker's clinch battles aren't set-ups for takedowns, b) makes much more effective use of Thai clinch components with a premium placed on constantly attacking all areas of the upper body while constantly fighting for control while also forcibly moving his opponent. It's not that you haven't seen any component of Baker's style, it's that no one blends them all so seamlessly. Baker also doesn't employ any striking in the clinch where there is significant distance between himself and his opponents hips. Every attack is hip to hip, tight and in close to protect himself from bombs and to pressure his opponent against the cage.
Baker's style is predicated on his ability to defend himself when he can't work the clinch, and his well-roundedness is good enough at this level of competition. Where he excels, however, is in finding ways to close distances with opponents while using the clinch as a spider web. The key to his style is that Baker is constantly making sure he is in the dominant inside control position and while he fights for it, attacks his opponents with right hooks to the body and left knees to the liver. While opponents may try to escape as long as Baker solely pummels, they can escape. But by weaving in attacks while he fights for control he forces opposition into the clinch by making them assume defensive postures. And from there its just a slow grind. Baker wins from here because opponents can't keep up with both fights: as soon as they put out the fire of fighting for inside control, another fire of being attacked is started. Ultimately, opponents cannot fight both fires simultaneously and they eventually crumble.
While Baker does a superb job of off balancing his opponents by pushing, pulling, moving his feet and weighing on them, what winds up happening is that Baker's competition are slowly bludgeoned to death from the constantly moving clinch over the course of time. Try to imagine what it is I'm talking about: I'm not talking about Anderson Silva's clinch where its a desperate situation for his opponent. In Silva's clinch, it's about maximizing damage with every blow and finishing the fight. With Baker, it's about lulling your opponent into the clinch and finding a way to not let them escape while you slowly but thoroughly beat on them.
The other notable feature about Baker's style is how gritty the clinch battles become. Like ground and pound, the top (outside in Baker's case) player works for space and control to score effective punishment and poinits while the bottom (or inside) player tries to control space, protect himself from strikes and either separate or look for a submission. The combination of a fervent battle for control with the slow Chinese water torture of offensive damage creates a vivid scene - there is no end to it until the opponent fails. What is different about Baker is the committment to this scenario and position. He'll run the round or two or three in this position, searching for control and attacking the entire time.
Here's Kyle's fight against Levon Maynard from UWC 5. For those of you who saw last weekend's UWC stream, you know precisely what I am referring to. But what's interesting to me here is that we are constantly reminded of the evolving tactics, style and strategies within MMA - and not just by those at the top fighters like Lyoto Machida. Athleticism isn't only getting better in MMA, so is the complexity of gameplanning. And as an added bonus, the customization of style is following suit.
My only issue is what to call this style. Standing ground and pound is a good way to describe the style, but it's not a catchy name. Any suggestions in the comments section are appreciated.
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That sounds like something out of a fetish porno…
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Feb 24, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
Uh, lets just keep calling it clinch fighting like normal.
by smoogy on Feb 24, 2009 4:29 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Dirty Boxing Redux (DBR for short)
or Comitted Dirty Boxing (CDB)
or Baker Brother Dirty Boxing (BBDB)
now the last one sounds like a fetish…
Verbal Crutches
Luke, your verbal crutches are hillarious. I don’t know if you do them intentionally or not; if you don’t I hope you aren’t too offended. All things being equal/ to be sure/ be that as it may/ with that being said…all staples of the Luke Thomas vocabulary that I look forward to on the radio and in print.
With that being said, and with all things being equal…I love your work!
Luke, I’m guessing you originally typed this, but thought better of it…
At the end of the day, with all things being equal, one can only hope that you are as pleasant in person as you are online.
Be that as it may, I really do love your work, to be sure.
As far as this thread goes, I always prefer anything that invokes the memory of the beloved Ol’ Dirty Bastard (ODB). With that said, I like Orangutan Dirty Boxing (ODB).
I fully expect Baker to defeat Fickett at this point.
Also, it’s a shame that Maynard was so thoroughly clobbered by Baker. I loved his entrance.
I’ll have my audio recap up sometime in the next 24 hours, I think. It should be a free show; if so, I’ll post it up. Unfortunately though, I wasn’t able to discuss Baker in depth.
"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard
fence fighting?
fence control?
clinch control?
i dont know which one would really suit it cause i also missed the fight.. haha.
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fence offense?
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by Anton Tabuena on Feb 25, 2009 2:00 AM EST up reply actions
wall and maul?
wall and brawl?
then its lay and pray version could be called “wall and stall”. haha. :)
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I started saying “Lean and Prey” after Sylvia/Vera.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Feb 25, 2009 2:02 AM EST up reply actions
no offense but that isnt catchy at all.. haha.
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by Anton Tabuena on Feb 25, 2009 2:19 AM EST up reply actions
cause rhymes are the shits haha. :D
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by Anton Tabuena on Feb 25, 2009 2:20 AM EST up reply actions
I was trying to keep the LnP acronym and the implicit association with stalling, but no, we can go for the cute rhyme…
[Picks up ball and runs home]
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Feb 25, 2009 3:46 AM EST up reply actions
its okay, we have our own ball! *makes funny face and sticks out tongue*
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by Anton Tabuena on Feb 25, 2009 7:36 AM EST up reply actions
I like wall ’n maul.
I will play my game beneath the spin light.
by Eugene Schelfaut on Feb 25, 2009 3:41 AM EST up reply actions
ya, of all the dumb stuff i wrote there, i like wall n maul the best. :)
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by Anton Tabuena on Feb 25, 2009 7:37 AM EST up reply actions
wish the crowd loved it...
I feel that unless you understand the intricacies of the clinch, and have maybe felt how taxing it is to try to clinch-spar, you might not appreciate this that your are speaking of. The way you felt about his performance is on par with the way that I felt as I was watching it, and I was amazed by how long he kept up such a tight clinch. However, the crowd didnt seem to care much for it. whereas ground and pound, for the average joe who got dragged to see some “brawlin”, has big shots such as nasty elbows, hammerfists, and punches…. clinch fighting is more a game of positioning, strength, and technique. its harder to appreciate it sans MMA know-how.
as much as i enjoyed this past weekend’s event, there were a few changes i felt that took away from my experience. Dont get me wrong, the card was awesome, despite the lack of the Chase Beebe. However:
A. Matt Hughes is not nearly as cool as Urijah Faber or Rampage
B. The crowd seemed larger than ever before, which brings about revenue (yay!), but there was also a larger slew of uneducated drunkards who came to see some drunken brawls. Said people were coincidentally seated all over me, and were ignorant to the point where they yelled such MMA-obscenities such as “Stop Hugging!” (during clinches) and “Are you gonna kiss him or fight him?” (when on the ground). I bring this up because as I was admiring Baker’s ability to tirelessly fight a great clinch game and the arrival of Britt’s first loss (Go Renzo Jiu Jitsu!!) , the crowd almost ruined it for me.
C. Instead of creating an imaginative background video or piecing together great fight footage from the past 2 events, the only fight video clip that seemed to be looping in between fights was my submission wrestling coach getting slammed with knees (in the groin) by ….none other than Mr. Kyle Baker :(
I thought the revelation that people hate stand up fighting was pretty humorous and depressing. My buddy made it a point to state this, and I determined that it’s not the stand up that people like, but the transition from one facet of MMA to another. Which isn’t to say that a slugfest won’t get the crowd fired up, but people got wary of stand up far too quickly as far as I was concerned.
But what was more disappointing to me were the comments I heard during the women’s match. Very sexist stuff to the point where I was becoming embarrassed to be amongst that crowd. I understand that women’s MMA is still largely new to most fans in this country and that, as a result, it’s seen as a novelty act. At the same time, I think if you audibly hope, nay demand, for the fighters to rip off each others clothes and start working lip locks then you either have no idea how MMA works or you’re sexually frustrated to an embarrassing degree. Seriously, it’s 2009. If you’re so enamored by a couple of broads macking on each other, there are literally thousands of websites that will cater to your desire. Next time, maybe these dopes will handle their business before coming to the fights, though I sort of doubt it.
As for Britt, that was technically his second loss. It was certainly his first legitimate loss, but he did lose a one-round “decision” to Bryan Vettell at the greatest MMA event of all the times.
"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard

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