Keith Kizer Comments at Length on Vaseline Controversy
by Michael Rome on Feb 3, 2009 8:46 AM EST
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MMA Junkie caught up with Keith Kizer for his take on the vaseline controversy, and he had a lot of interesting things to say:
"At the end of the second round I watched, and then another cornerman who I believe was Greg Jackson, he put the Vaseline on Georges' face, and then he put his hand on his back to do the breathing thing they always do," Kizer said. "As soon as I saw that, it looked like there was still some Vaseline on his hand. Not a lot, but still some...
"We wiped [St. Pierre] down very, very hard," Kizer said. "And even after the end of the third round, even though there was no touching of his back with Vaseline, we still wiped him down again after that round, too, just to be safe. You do the best you can to make it back to an even playing field and go from there.
I think it's unfortunate that he's not considering changing the rules on vaseline, at least judging from his comments here. I still believe GSP's cornermen using vaseline is a non-issue that will ultimately end in NSAC writing up some letter saying there is nothing conclusive and nothing they can do. By his own account, they wiped very hard and twice a small amount of remaining vaseline, the idea that this was determinative is insane.
However, the real issue is that vaseline should no longer be allowed to be used by anyone besides cut men. Further, the rules on it need to be made clear, because "excessive" is a meaningless term that means more than zero and less than globs. MMA is plagued by all sorts of vague rules on scoring, shots to the back of the head, fence grabbing, and now vaseline. Clearly we need more well-defined rules.
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Rome, I’m not coming at you under any circumstances, but when the whole stand gate incident starting coming out, you demanded that fans should demand Florida Commission to do an investigation to look into matter. Don’t you feel this situation should be merits this as well?
by The Bronzeville Bully on Feb 2, 2009 9:25 PM EST reply actions
No. I feel that in a case of paying off fighters, this is the kind of thing you can actually investigate and find something out about. I see no point of an investigation here, the NSAC followed their regulations to the letter, wiped GSP down, and did just about everything they could. What we need is a discussion on vaseline rules in general, not an investigation.
I also learned what a joke the investigations are from that scenario.
Just an assumption based on their big focus on control. I am assuming they will review everything they taped but will most likely not let anyone else see any of it. Dana will probably publicly lambaste Phil Nurse and maybe prevent him from cornering for a while, or possibly just fine GSP a bit of pocket change. This is all an assumption.
Dana has said he would handle it internally. Still, the NSAC probably needs to review it just come up with a better procedure to prevent this from happening again. Also, the cat is already out of the bag. Failing to perform a formal, public investigation at this point would only make perception worse.
why when the rules aren’t implicit. paying someone to try and manipulate the fight is hardly the same.
since I just read it. Kizer says:
“There are four bases for Nevada law to overturn the outcome of a fight: a failed drug test, a scoring error, the referee misinterpreting and applying the rules, or collusion.”
Collusion would encompass some sort of conspiracy to predetermine the outcome of a fight.
Rome...
Hasn’t Luke told you to stop spewing your nonsense yet?
As a guy who could care less about who won that fight, I can say that if BJ pursues this to the fullest, he will be doing the sport a tremendous solid. Guys, like you, that keep insisting that this is a non-issue, are actually hurting MMA.
Oh, by the way, unlike Bronzeville, I am coming after you (not literally of course)!
I'm just a dude who's trying to put it together.
I look forward to the “huge solid” that will come out of an NSAC letter saying there’s nothing conclusive, and nothing we can do. Time would be better served changing the rules.
I’m partially sympathetic to the argument that making an issue of this is the only way to get change. But it incorrectly assumes it is the only way. In fact, there are better ways, such as Penn making a public call for a change in the rules and trying to have that pushed at NSAC. Filing a complaint against Georges has everything to do with casting a cloud of doubt over BJ’s loss to make yet another excuse.
Let us pursue all avenues...
For the general public, who couldn’t give a shit, this is a non-issue. But, for us, this points to what is wrong with MMA: all these ridiculous hold overs to the days when boxing was the paradigm. In boxing it doesn’t matter if someone is glistening with vaseline, but in MMA it does, lets recognize that and make the sport better.
I'm just a dude who's trying to put it together.
nobody’s disagreeing, but focusing on non-existent wrongdoing actually takes away from the focus on what matters. There are a number of rules that need to be changed, and this is one of them.
Fair enough...
But calling BJ a ‘cry-baby’ certainly doesn’t help anything either.
I'm just a dude who's trying to put it together.
I don’t think he’s a crybaby, I think his camp has talked him into doing this for entirely selfish reasons. Do you honestly think Rudy Valentino is concerned about improving the sport? He’s doing this because Penn is his cash cow and he was mauled, badly.
by Michael Rome on Feb 2, 2009 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
Dude, for a second there, I thought you got it...
But you are clueless.
I'm just a dude who's trying to put it together.
I’m curious why you think there is some ulterior motive by Penn’s camp. Of course he is going to stick up for his fighter. If you felt that someone you were fighting violated the rules, wouldn’t you want it to be known, and something done about it?
Whether the way they are handling it is the appropriate action has yet to be determined. So, I think it’s a little premature to insist that Penn’s camp is doing it for money.
Contributing writer for MMA-Analyst.com
If Penn went directly from the fight and the next day
made a public call and campaigned for a change in the rules regarding Vaseline usage, you and countless others here would have excoriated him. This is definitely about protecting a specific individual from any kind of “tarnish”. It’s not BJ Penn’s fault that GSP gets slathered down regularly with petroleum jellies.
by dualdiagnosis on Feb 2, 2009 10:22 PM EST up reply actions
I believe it’s you that “isn’t getting it”. There are two sides to every debate, and you’re not even considering the other one.
The motives of BJ, or his camp, are totally irrelevant. The problem of ‘greasing’ needs to be dealt with.
This isn’t about GSP vs. Penn — why is Rome still talking about that, rather than talking about the issue?
I'm just a dude who's trying to put it together.
The whole last paragraph of his post is about greasing, and not BJ/GSP! You’re just making a bigger deal of the supposed greasing in this fight that there needs to be. As he stated, it is going to turn out to be a non-issue.
I agree with the post below mine. You’ve lost touch with the content and you’re just attacking Rome for the sake of attacking him now. His points are all valid.
Same could be said with what happened with EliteXC. That was also the result of nothing, which most prodicted but still demanded.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Feb 2, 2009 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
Well, there you go, GSP and his camp shouldn’t be coming under fire from all these internet lawyers…
Kizer says every thing was kosher, I take his word for it.
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Kizer said that the amount of Vaseline he saw applied didn’t seem terribly excessive but that no amount of the substance should have ever been used on the fighter’s body.
by dualdiagnosis on Feb 3, 2009 12:44 AM EST up reply actions
“We wiped [St. Pierre] down very, very hard,” Kizer said. “And even after the end of the third round, even though there was no touching of his back with Vaseline, we still wiped him down again after that round, too, just to be safe. You do the best you can to make it back to an even playing field and go from there.”
Ok THIS is what I wanted to hear. Case closed, IMO.
Ok, lets focus on GSP vs. Alves and Machida vs whoever, please.
How exactly is the case closed? Did you read the entire article? The commission noticed it after the first round. Kizer watched for it during the second round . From the video they showed, the " very, very hard," wipe down they did was pathetic. They could have wiped him down off camera, but it still doesn’t take away the fact that they put vaseline on him. Kizer saw both of GSP’s cornermen do it.
This takes nothing away from GSP’s win, but there needs to be a rule change regarding the vaseline. Leave it to the cut men only.
Contributing writer for MMA-Analyst.com
Are you really judging from the video?
The video cut away to Penn and you have no idea what happened after the camera cut away.
Kizer said that the amount of Vaseline he saw applied didn’t seem terribly excessive but that no amount of the substance should have ever been used on the fighter’s body.
by dualdiagnosis on Feb 2, 2009 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
C'Mon Now
Think about it, it doesn’t make a ton of sense. The biggest fight, “fight of the century” you have a gate of over 15,000, cameras are everywhere, the world watching, and you have a guy who has been training hard, very hard, since September, flying all over the world to train, I seriously doubt that this was done intentionally, it wouldn’t make sense. If GSP came to this fight out of shape and was not prepared, then I can see why he would need this extra advantage, but BJ was outclassed by a stronger, more hungry fighter. GSP wanted this badly, you could see the passion he had after the 4th round punching the cage, he just wanted it more!!!
He accidentally got greased up? Jackson admitted he greased him up, what are you missing?
The Jackson camp pushes the envelope in all areas, they have been accused of this in the past, nothing has come of it. Others here are of the mind that a little grease is A-OK per the rules. Why wouldn’t they have it as part of theoverall game plan?
by dualdiagnosis on Feb 2, 2009 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
“Jackson admitted he greased him up, what are you missing?”
The direct quote in which he sais it. Don’t change Jacksons comments to fit your agenda…
This is what he said!
"If we were trying to grease the back we’d be greasing up and down, we would make it count. We wouldn’t do a little tiny spot in the back. The whole thing doesn’t make any sense, so they were fine with it once we gave our explanation. It wasn’t like we were taking gobs of Vasoline and slathering on his back…
The whole greasing thing is pretty ridiculous. You can’t grease somebody up. You just couldn’t do it. They check your body before you get into the cage, there’s an inspector right there. In order for us to grease him up, it would be insane. There are cameras everywhere. We don’t cheat. We don’t need to cheat to win."
by xFenixKnightx on Feb 2, 2009 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
What do expect him to say?
He was caught red-handed.
by dualdiagnosis on Feb 2, 2009 11:22 PM EST up reply actions
“From the video they showed, the " very, very hard,” wipe down they did was pathetic."
Well, from the video they showed it was a pretty pathetic attempt at greasing GSP up. What are you not getting? There were never any gobs of vaseline literally put on GSPs back. If there is video, show it to us please, oh please oh please oh please show it to us. I’ll be the first one in line against GSP because just like everyone else, I dont like cheaters. GSP and his camp were not cheating, were not trying to cheat and dont need to cheat. This whole topic is ridiculous! You, MMA_dude and others act like if you’re from BJs camp. Its like if you’re going to win something for proving something thats not there.
I have routinely said that I feel it didn’t change the outcome of the fight, and I have nothing to prove. I’m simply debating the topic.
If it was a “pathetic attempt at greasing GSP up,” then why was Chuck Liddell so fired up about it? How come when he explained it to Mir, Mir gave Chuck the “I saw that too look.” Why was the commission even in the ring with a towel wiping GSP down? Why did they take the vaseline from the corner men?
That being said, look at the video of Nurse. Does he or does he not take his hands directly from GSP’s face to his shoulders? Is there a chance he had vaseline on his hands? The question isn’t how much he applied, it’s whether he applied it or not. Did he break the rules? Yes. Did it help him win the fight? Probably not. But cheating is cheating no matter which way you try to sugar coat it. “Pathetic attempt at greasing” or not, it got more than just our attention.
Contributing writer for MMA-Analyst.com
Also, the statement you made saying, “they were not cheating, were not trying to cheat and don’t need to cheat,” is completely wrong. They were cheating. If they weren’t we wouldn’t be talking about it. The commission wouldn’t have noticed them rubbing it on his back, they wouldn’t have had to come in the ring and tell the corner men to stop rubbing it on his back , they wouldn’t have had to wipe GSP down after rounds 2 and 3, and BJ’s camp wouldn’t be filing a complaint.
If you cheat just a little bit, it’s still cheating. Did they need to cheat? Not judging by the outcome of the fight, but I feel that in the best interest of their fighter, the Penn camp is doing what’s best. BJ has already stated it didn’t affect the outcome of the fight, so what motivation do they get for saying this? They “tarnish” GSP’s win? It’s already tarnished by the hardcore fans that follow the sport. Half believe he cheated, half believe he didn’t. The majority of the casual fan base will not hear about this, or even hear about what comes of it. It’s not like the UFC is going to plaster it all over their shows.
The best thing that can come of this is that the corner men get a penalty for doing it, and they change the rules going forward. They are not going to overturn the decision, or change it to a NC, so tell me, what’s the worst that could happen?
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No, according to the rules, the question is whether the amount applied was “excessive” or not.
The rules state that “non-excessive” amounts can be applied.
And Kizer specifically said it didn’t look “terribly excessive.”
The fact of the matter is, the rule is completely vague and needs to be change. In this instance, excessive means more than any, because everyone and their brother knows it’s illegal to apply Vaseline to any part of the body besides the face.
Contributing writer for MMA-Analyst.com
Why was Chuck fired up? Who the hell cares? Hes a fan too and maybe he was rooting for Penn, what does it matter anyway. Was he up close? No. You said Nurse broke the rules but the rule is “excessive grease” not “any grease at all” Did he put excessive grease? According to Kizer,
“Not a lot, but still some… We wiped [St. Pierre] down very, very hard,” Kizer said. “And even after the end of the third round, even though there was no touching of his back with Vaseline, we still wiped him down again after that round”
Last tiem I checked “Not a lot” = not excessive, or am I wrong?
This is from Kizer himself, from fricken NSAC. Chuck isn’t anything but a fan in this situation. He can throw a tantrom all he wants. What was Mir supposed to do, sit there and argue back with Chuck? Mir was pobably even more clueless at the time.
Crazy
Chuck conspired with Mayhem Miller in 2005 so that when BJ got a shot to fight GSP it would all connect. Sherk, Miller, and Matt Serra are all BJ nuthuggers who have made up this grease story and paid off Nurse and Greg Jackson so they could sneak some Vaseline on GSP without his knowledge in front of the cameras.
Some of y’all have done gone and lost your minds.
by dualdiagnosis on Feb 2, 2009 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
And some of yall have turned into broken records. I can’t wait till they investigate only to say nothing was found…
by xFenixKnightx on Feb 2, 2009 11:06 PM EST up reply actions
It seems to me that this is getting out of hand
when people are accusing Chuck Liddel of feigning outrage to make false charges against another fighter.
by dualdiagnosis on Feb 2, 2009 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
And you know it's true...
cuz ‘i heard from some guy in the front row’ is always an accurate source.
So I guess we should ignore the facts of all those that were there, including fighters that get in the cage and have a clear understanding of what’s right and what’s wrong?
If it wasn’t excessive, then why is Kizer looking into the issue? Why is he threatening Jackson and Nurse that if he ever catches them again they will be banned from Nevada?
You can try and copy/paste the article to look however you want to support your argument, but here is the real fine points of the article:
“Tony Liano and I immediately yelled at him, and I don’t think he heard us because of the noise. So I actually went into the octagon, and I said, ‘Take your hand off of his back. What are you doing?’ We wiped it down. We made sure it was wiped down after the third round as well. This was after the second when I was in there. I was very upset. I don’t know if they were doing it intentionally or not. Either way, they shouldn’t have done it.”
Emphasis mine.
“It wasn’t necessary,” Kizer said. "It definitely wasn’t fair to Mr. Penn. I don’t think it was even fair to Mr. St. Pierre.
“His cornerman should have been more careful if it was an accident. If it was intentional, that’s even worse. Just very, very disturbing.”
Kizer said that the amount of Vaseline he saw applied didn’t seem terribly excessive but that no amount of the substance should have ever been used on the fighter’s body.
“It wasn’t like [St. Pierre’s cornerman’s] hand was covered in Vaseline, but he went directly from the face to the shoulders,” Kizer said. "By itself it’s not a problem, but if there was still some Vaseline residue on, which there very well could have been, you’ve got to be more careful than that.
So, Mr. Kizer had a lot to say that you seemed to skip over. Try reading those points again and show me where he says this is a non-issue.
Contributing writer for MMA-Analyst.com
Wow- where are all the "non-issue" people on Kizer now?
Kizer said that the amount of Vaseline he saw applied didn’t seem terribly excessive but that no amount of the substance should have ever been used on the fighter’s body.
by dualdiagnosis on Feb 2, 2009 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
Using the video as proof of the wipedown is kind of a nonstarter, it’s a split second before the camera moves away.
This shows the rules need to be changed more than anything. And by changed, I mean actually defined and made black and white. But it ain’t gonna happen, cause like most rules or laws, it’s vague for a reason. It allows for interpretation, which can work in favor or against those who set the rules and those who play by them. Or don’t play by them, as the case may be.
Agree with your statement completely. I think that these duties should be handled by the cut men, like Stitch, who are independent of the fighters and their camps. This would have never happened had this been the case.
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I agree;
As the rules are stated it would be hard to prove anything. I do think that if the rules are better defined then it helps everyone. As is using the rules/laws in place would be next to impossible. I think the cut men should be the ones handling th fighters that way there is no conflicts or problems.
In the end if the man on the ground dealt with it at the time then you really need to stand by them. I think the sad part is this has taken away from the 3 great fights we saw at 94.
makes you wonder on intent. Nurse AND Jackson both broke the rules, and of course poor ole GSP didn’t know what was happening, eh, the more than comes out the more I’m thinking it was blatent. Hopefully he doesn’t lose his win in the record books because he deserves it, but maybe put an asterisk next to it to show that cheating DID occur though it had no impact on the outcome. Hopefully the cornermen are banned or at least suspended for a legit amount of time…
Once again something has come up to highlight how inadequate the governing bodies of MMA really are. The issue with Rich Franklin’s eye poke (only given 2 minutes recovery time) and now the issue with corner men applying Vaseline shows the rules and regulations are far too vague.
IMHO I believe this can be directly attributed to the boxing commissions not giving the sport the attention and time it requires. Instead they just throw together a bunch of rules and the sport has to make do the best they can.
How is this relevant to the GSP incident? With clearer guidelines and as said above, a neutral cut man applying what is necessary between rounds, these situations would not happen.
I’m beyond disapointed in Keith Kizer’s comments, this guy is starting to make the NSAC more like the CSAC everytime I hear something come out of his mouth. First it was the total and ridiculous overturning on Nick Diaz win over Gomi for weed then his comments about Nate The Great and now calling some vaseline on GSP’s back "disturbing. This guy is obviously not up to the job and needs to be replaced before he damages the reputation of that commission like Armando Garcia did the CSAC.
argh, i'm sick of this.
I need to let this out! First, I never really like BJ before, quite certain i never will after this.
I’m quite angry at BJ right now because I don’t believe one bit that him and his team are doing this for the sport. I think they’re only trying to take a last shot at GSP out of bitterness while they can. I remember how they reacted after the first loss to GSP, they were sore losers. Penn and his team never really accepted that loss, sometimes even implying that the judges did a bad job. So I wasn’t surprised when i learned of the latest complaint, or the comments made by Valentino about Jackson. They managed to swift this whole story, from “BJ got completely annihilated, we loss” to “Georges St-Pierre is a cheater”, even if BJ apparently admitted at some point that GSP won regardless. All they needed to do was to add some fuel to the fire and the internet would take care of the rest. To me, this only comes off as a way to piss on and discredit the victory of the man who just crushed them all. They were sore losers before, now they’re simply losers who are taking the focus away from the 3 great fights that happened that night.
I’m satisfied with what Kizer said for now. And I agree with what Rome said, that the best that they can do is to improve the rules regarding the handling of vaseline. The rest is just people blowing things out of proportion.
Just close your eyes and pretend that no Vaseline was applied between rounds.
It might make those headaches go away.
by dualdiagnosis on Feb 3, 2009 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
Why?
He’s accepted the outcome, sounds like he doesn’t want other fighters to have to face GSP plus the Vaseline. BJ is not the lone voice here, there is video evidence, there are other fighters and GSP’s corner admitted it.
This is what Kizer said-
Kizer said that the amount of Vaseline he saw applied didn’t seem terribly excessive but that no amount of the substance should have ever been used on the fighter’s body.
by dualdiagnosis on Feb 3, 2009 12:43 AM EST up reply actions
The rule states otherwise – it doesn’t prohibit applying substances to the face/body. Only excessive amounts.
by Derek Suboticki on Feb 3, 2009 1:02 AM EST up reply actions
See, this is what i was saying. All BJ needed to do was to bring it up so that his loyal fans would start blowing it out of proportion. Yesterday it was “GSP had small residues of vaseline on him, it was wiped out, no big deal”, now it’s already “GSP plus the vaseline”, as if it’s common practice from the GSP camp.
BJ might say he accepts the outcome, but watch, just watch how many times he’ll bring up the “greasing” argument. This is just an attempt at diminishing the fact that GSP proved to be a much much better fighter than he was or ever will be.
BJ didn't need to bring it up, Dana and the Nevada State Athletic Commission
along with Chuck Liddell, Greg Jackson and Phil Nurse were gabbing about it. The deniers just don’t want to deal with the facts, if it puts “their guy” in a bad light discussion must be shut down.
by dualdiagnosis on Feb 3, 2009 2:39 AM EST up reply actions
You’re not really listening to what i’m saying here. But you’re obviously on a crusade to prove something big out of almost nothing, good luck.
There is nothing to prove, the facts are in plain sight. You have UFC fighters who have brought this same issue up with this same fighter in the past. Set aside BJ Penn, GSP had Vaseline applied to his upper body.
If GSP greases up the back of his neck when he faces Anderson Silva, do you think the Muay Thai clinch will be as effective as it was against Franklin?
by dualdiagnosis on Feb 3, 2009 3:30 AM EST up reply actions
You’ve post this exact same quote on pretty much every thread about this topic. It still completely ignores what the rule actually says. It’s like you’d rather they not even bother with such things as written rules and instead, after the fact, let somebody else just say what “should” or “should not” be done and go with that.
If Kizer says the amount of vaseline used was not excessive and that they did sufficient wiping down of GSP to err on the side of caution (which is pretty much exactly what he said), then Kizer has basically said the rule was not violated. If the rule wasn’t violated, it makes no difference at all what should or should not be done.
Change the rule, but don’t continue to act like this was somehow “cheating” like people keep throwing around here. If there was not a violation of the rules, then GSP was not cheating, his corner was not cheating, and filing a formal complaint alleging that he was cheating is not the proper avenue for changing the rule for future events.
How is this Vaseline ordeal still gettin so much attention??
And WHYY has no one mentioned the fact that Machida threw a punch AFTER the buzzard???
Because...
he knocked out Thiago before the bell and it isn’t uncommon to see a punch or two exchanged after the bell rings.
And because it doesn’t make much sense to freak out about that Machida fight
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by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 3, 2009 12:34 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe it thought Silva was dead and wanted to pick at his bones? The buzzard I mean.
by szucconi on Feb 3, 2009 12:58 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Machida was actually defending Silva from the ravenous buzzards that terrorize the Octagon.
by iiowyn on Feb 3, 2009 1:32 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
hahah you f’in ball busters… you know what i meantttt
anyways i just brought it up because if you look on fight finder you can actually see that guys have been DQ’ed and lost a possible W for throwin a punch after the BUZZER.. im not making a big deal of it at all, im just using it as an example of how things happen in the midst of a fight that shouldnt be overanalyzed.
buzzard.. haha good thing im studying for MCATs and not applying for a publishing company position or something
NEW FOOTAGE PROVING GSP WAS GREASED
http://i39.tinypic.com/2cftg0m.gif
MOTHER OF GOD, LOOK AT THAT !
Before this fight, I was watching a Penn interview on Sherdog and all he and his camp could say is that they actually WON GSP-Penn I because Penn f***ed up GSP’s face during round one and all GSP could do on rounds 2 and 3 were a few takedowns. It’s not the Ultimate Takedown Championship, it’s the Ultimate Fighting Championship and Penn hurt GSP more during round one – ergo he won.
This time around, well, we all saw just how bad GSP put the hurt on Penn. Now, since they can’t argue “we actually won that fight” they’re grasping at straws. GSP’s corner screwed up, no question, but the NSAC – whose job it is to watch for things like these – caught it, did everything they could about it during the fight and are investigating the matter post-fight. It’s their job – not UFC’s, not Dana’s, not Penn’s, not GSP’s, not ours – to decide what to do about this, if anything.
Some will undoubtedly think that GSP should be DQ’d and banned for life while others will think Penn needs to be reprimanded for blowing this issue out of proportion. Maybe all of us need to get a life.
by Monday Morning Martial Artist on Feb 3, 2009 3:42 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
One thing that I haven't seen discusses is
What Dana’s reaction to the likes of Sean Sherk, Matt Serra, etc…will be.
If I was Dana, I would seriously consider pulling their contracts. Not because they say they were also the “victim” of GSP supposedly greasing…but becaues of the timing of their statements (assuming they are also really claiming GSP greased).
They are contracted to the UFC, but wait until after the supposedly “biggest fight in MMA history” to come out and accuse one of the fighters involved cheating. Imagine if this turns out to be a serious and wides ranging issue, they could have saved the UFC, Dana and MMA as a whole alot of embarasment by brining up their charges long before the “biggest fight in MMA history”.
Food for thought
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Could you post gif.s of someone else pulling the rubber guard?
I can’t remember ever seeing someone being able to keep their legs up in the rubber guard without using their hand to hold them there. Let alone if they have started to fatigue and their opponent is covered in sweat.
Nice GIFS.
People are definitely working overtime on this scandal.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Feb 3, 2009 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
Now I'm not about to join the tinfoil hat brigade...
But I just saw these and thought it was interesting, especially considering all but one of these are from the 2nd round.
I am the bastard love child of Junie Browning and Diamond Dave Kaplan.
I assume...
that people are supposed to take away that he surepticiously applied an amount of vaseline (that was set up on the outside rim of the container!!) to be rubbed onto his back and shoulders once he sat down.
The trouble I have is that it doesn’t appear as though he even touched him with the container, there is absolutely no visible amount of vaseline left on him and that would require a underhanded effort to pull off. Not to mention it looks like an official is right there and would have noticed it pretty readily.
I am the bastard love child of Junie Browning and Diamond Dave Kaplan.
Those bastards!
Ssssssstrrrreeeeeeeeeeeccccccccchhhhhhh.
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should be a no contest
BJ should get half of his winner’s purse.
Second that.
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