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Jim Lampley Talks MMA (..and Doesn't Sound Like a Moron)

Toro Magazine has up an interview with HBO boxing commentator extraordinaire Jim Lampley.  Lamps has been the subject of a lot of scorn from the MMA community as he has taken some shots at our sport but seems to have evened out his view on things considerably.  The highlight for the MMA crowd:

Q: I’ve always been a boxing fan – but quite frankly, I have no idea which organizations are running the show today – I don’t really know who the heavyweight champion of the world is. But I know a hell of a lot about MMA fighters of every stripe. Is this a question of MMA marketing their product better, or novelty, or a genuine passing of the guard when it comes to pugilistic sports?
A: Let me answer your question first with a question. So I can be sure of something. Do you know a lot about MMA fighters of every stripe, or do you know a lot about UFC fighters, and mostly exclusively UFC fighters?

Q: Very good point. Of course, mostly UFC fighters.
A: I think that what’s perceived as the giant success of MMA is actually the big success of the UFC. Because there are several other MMA organizations which have gone bankrupt or are struggling now. So it’s really only UFC which has achieved this cachet that people keep talking about. And if you think about it, it’s a little like saying that if a boxing organization, like the WBA or the WBC or the IBF could concentrate so much power and promotional credibility they would eliminate attention paid to the others, and their people would be seen as the people and they would have a marketing niche that proceeds through kind of star identities that sell. And one of the things that bothers you about boxing, and bothers most people about it, is that there might be four champions in any given division at any given time. They’re called champions because they have belts from governing bodies with no hierarchy to tell them that one of them is more important or more prominent than the others.

People who watch MMA, a lot of them pay attention only to UFC. Now what does that mean? UFC hires their own announcers – they don’t deal with a Larry Merchant and a Jim Lampley picking them apart from a perspective of legitimate honesty and saying whatever they want to say. We’re talking about an organization where the promoter has hired the commentators. Now that’s an entirely different kind of broadcast than what we do or what anybody in boxing does. That’s really a lot more like pro wrestling. Because then they tell the story that they want to tell.

So the bottom line is, they have a tremendous advantage, UFC does, over what goes on in boxing. Is that because boxing people are dumb and UFC people are smart? To a certain degree, yeah. No question about it. They have done a better job of organizing and promoting the product to make an impact on the marketplace over the course of the past 12, 15 years. Does it mean that UFC, or MMA, is as legitimate and important and resonant a cultural experience as boxing? Not in a million years. Not even close. Boxing is a sport with a 120-year history, and extremely deep penetration in various cultures around the globe – most particularly American culture where it has produced some of the most prominent socio-political figures to be found in all of sport, most notably, Joe Louis and Muhammad Ali. No Joe Louis, no Muhammad Ali, no Barack Obama.

And so I think you have to be careful about judging something purely on the basis of a market penetration as opposed to looking at the institution as a whole. One thing we try to do at HBO Boxing is what you talked about earlier: it’s to look at the institution as a whole and present in an unvarnished fashion.

Q: Do you think MMA will, in the end, fade, survive or supersede boxing?
A: I think it’s here to stay. I think it’s here to keep existing. I think in a hundred years from now it will be interesting to see how variegated their experience is. But I believe there’s room for both, and that both are going to continue to exist and both are going to produce stars. And you know, I used to think of this in terms of “I like boxing because it’s better.” But now I think of it in terms of “I like boxing because it’s boxing” – and some people like MMA because it’s MMA. It’s no better and no worse, it is what it is. And I think there’s room in the cultural marketplace for both.

To see someone who is as much "the voice of a sport" as Lampley take the "there's room for both" stance makes me happy.  It's the position I've long held.  There isn't any reason to compare the two or to debate which is the "more complete" fight sport.  They are their own sports with their own rule sets.  Is well rounded MMA training more effective than boxing in a real world application?  Sure.  But what does real world application have to do with sport?  I've said it in the past but football is not a better sport than basketball because the chances you may have to run away from someone at some point in your life are higher than the chances you'll need to throw a ball through a ten foot high hoop from twenty-five feet away.  There are room for both and the success of one does not mean the failure of the other.

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Much better, Mr. Lampley. Now if you’ll just stop stalking and choking your ex-wife, we’ll be cool.

by Farthammer on Feb 2, 2009 7:31 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Finally something without UFC 94 in the article!
We’re talking about an organization where the promoter has hired the commentators. Now that’s an entirely different kind of broadcast than what we do or what anybody in boxing does. That’s really a lot more like pro wrestling. Because then they tell the story that they want to tell.

He’s got a point. But that basically just falls in line with how the UFC does business in general: they call all the shots.

Does it mean that UFC, or MMA, is as legitimate and important and resonant a cultural experience as boxing? Not in a million years. Not even close. Boxing is a sport with a 120-year history, and extremely deep penetration in various cultures around the globe

Give it time. MMA has grown so fast over the past decade, I have no doubt that it will become as important a combat sport as boxing is.

I do think there is room for both sports, but not at the rate things are going. So long as boxing continues to do business as usual, it doesn’t look good for the longterm of that sport.

by pud333 on Feb 2, 2009 7:32 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

See...

that’s the thing. Whenboxing fails I don’t think it is BECAUSE of MMA. The space for both remains while the potential for failure also remains for both. But not because of the other so much as because of the potential to not overcome your own shortcomings as a sport.

Boxing has some things to fix, for sure. And maybe they’ve been magnified by the success of the UFC, but those broken pieces remain even if the UFC were to have never reached a point of success.

Contributing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.

by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 2, 2009 7:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It’s not as though HBO and their announcers don’t have a vested interest in boxing…

by bigweeze on Feb 2, 2009 11:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

“People who watch MMA, a lot of them pay attention only to UFC. Now what does that mean? UFC hires their own announcers – they don’t deal with a Larry Merchant and a Jim Lampley picking them apart from a perspective of legitimate honesty and saying whatever they want to say. We’re talking about an organization where the promoter has hired the commentators. Now that’s an entirely different kind of broadcast than what we do or what anybody in boxing does. That’s really a lot more like pro wrestling. Because then they tell the story that they want to tell.”

This is emphatically true.

by smoogy on Feb 2, 2009 7:32 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

It really is...

one thing that I have always found refreshing from Merchant and Lampley is their willingness to call a turd a turd. My memory is failing me but Roy Jones Jr. (my favorite combat athlete ever) boxed a cop in an event after playing in a semi-pro basketball game and while giving RJ his props for being awesome they also shit on the fact that he was fighting a scrub at that point in his career.

I don’t think we’ll ever hear Rogan or Goldie say “this fight is a waste of everyone’s time…I’m not sure why we’re watching it” which I HAVE heard from Lampley in the past.

Contributing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.

by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 2, 2009 7:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think we’ll ever hear Rogan or Goldie say "this fight is a waste of everyone’s time…I’m not sure why we’re watching it" which I HAVE heard from Lampley in the past.

I know Rogan was saying some pretty disparaging things during Herring/JOB. He may have gone nuts during Gonzaga/Jordan as well, but I’m not positive.

by ilostmydog on Feb 2, 2009 8:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah...

I suppose he has been a little critical of some of the more extreme fights. You are right on that.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 2, 2009 8:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

There’s a difference between saying, “This isn’t what you should do to get in the UFC” towards something like Gonzaga/Jordan and saying that a fight is a waste of time or horrible to the fans, which Merchant has done god knows how many times. Its not very likely that Joe Rogan is gonna sit there and denigrate Leites as an utterly unworthy challenger in the run-up to UFC 97 while repeatedly naming all the guys he should instead be fighting.

by D.Capitated on Feb 2, 2009 8:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Larry Merchant would not only denigrate Leitas as unworthy

He would probably start cracking jokes at his expense as the fight went on and when it started to turn ugly then start disparaging the matchmakers that came up with the fight in the first place. Then wax poetic on Andersons place in the sport and what his future is.

Gimme 1 Round!

by skwirrl on Feb 2, 2009 9:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, Rogan has been pretty clear that the UFC doesn’t really control him or command him not to say certain things. He mentioned that they didn’t want him to talk about PRIDE during the buyout (IIRC), but that wasn’t an edict or decree. I think that was the closest that they even came to telling Rogan what to say. And Rogan also routinely talks about fighters outside the UFC.

I’m not saying that it isn’t a bit of a conflict of interest, I’m just saying that the UFC seems to exert a softer touch than Lampley’s comment would suggest.

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Feb 2, 2009 8:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Rogan doesn't need to be told

He’s allowed some freedom but thats because he keeps to the party line of his own accord. If Rogan were asked about the best rubber guard in the sport who do you think he would list as #1??? I’m quite willing to bet Hazelett would be the #1 guy BUT he would then most likely mention Aoki as "another awesome rubber guard practitioner on the elite level of Hazelett.

Gimme 1 Round!

by skwirrl on Feb 2, 2009 9:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It’s noteworthy that you go to a hypothetical example rather than an actual one.

As a side note, Hazelett/Aoki would be a pretty enjoyable fight.

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Feb 2, 2009 10:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ok you want a real example

at the end of the program the other night they were talking about PfP best. I heard Fedor’s name come up but I never heard Rogan advance him as a potential #1 guy.

Gimme 1 Round!

by skwirrl on Feb 2, 2009 10:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think that Fedor is the number one P4P guy either. I’ll explain my position:

There are two ways that people usually talk about P4P: either talent/ability/skill/potential without regard for weight or quality of opposition within a given amount of time without regard for weight. Under either definition I think that Fedor isn’t #1. In terms of the first, I don’t think that anybody is on the same level as BJ Penn or Kid Yamamoto. In terms of the second, GSP and Anderson have him beat too. If you were to combine the two, I’d still go with GSP.

However, in the interest of full disclosure, I am Dana White’s hair dresser. :-P

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Feb 2, 2009 11:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think it was pretty much proven BJ isn't #1

He, a large LW has gotten mopped up several times at a more natural weight class for him and his only impressive win at LW was against Sherk when he didn’t try to wrestle at all.

GSP is a very large WW so he hasn’t generally been fighting bigger men either. Both guys have great skill sets but neither of them has unbelievable everything.

BJ – Good stand up and a great chin with awesome TD defense. Has never proven to be anything all that special from his back most likely because he trains to avoid it as much as possible instead of working on being aggressive from it and always comes with wack cardio due to a poor work ethic in training.

GSP – AMAZING takedown ability. Great speed, power and ability to implement a gameplan. Great GnP. Good standup and is now developing a jab. Possibly lacks a great chin and good recovery when hurt. Is a BJJ blackbelt but didn’t do a good job of pulling guard against Serra when he wasn’t the man on top. Decent submission ability

Fedor – has CONSTANTLY been the smaller man in the ring
Fedor – Has decent standup from a technical standpoint but has proven time and again that he has great timing, non traditional combination punching and POWER. Surprisingly quick. Best GnP in the history of MMA by a good margin. Incredible off his back has one of the fastest armbars in MMA. Willing to take the fight wherever he needs to win and adjusts excellently on the fly. Maybe not legendary chin but damn good. Good head movement. Amazing recovery time. Never panics and is always in control of even the worst situations. Beats the best AT THEIR OWN GAME. Weakness? Baby soft skin.

Gimme 1 Round!

by skwirrl on Feb 3, 2009 12:16 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Also

Anderson is a HUGE MW beating up on much smaller guys also

Gimme 1 Round!

by skwirrl on Feb 3, 2009 12:22 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hell Anderson walks around only about 10 lbs lighter than Fedor

Lets see em fight and tell me who you think would win.

Gimme 1 Round!

by skwirrl on Feb 3, 2009 12:23 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Rich Franklin is about that size too. Henderson was very competitive with Rampage, one of the strongest fighters in the 205 division, and even out muscled him several times. Nate Marquardt is hardly a tiny guy as well. Lastly, Anderson’s edge over folks isn’t his size.

On the topic of Fedor, his size is moot in terms of his relative ability/skill/etc. when the criteria is without regard for weight. And in terms of the amount and quality of top competition faced, Fedor’s size still doesn’t come into play. Even if it did, here’s how I view it since the beginning of 2006:

-Fedor: Top-10 victory against Tim Sylvia, Top-5 victory over Andre Arlovski.

-Anderson: Top-10 victory against Nate Marquardt, Two victories against Rich Franklin (I was going to say that both were Top-5, though I can’t remember if Franklin was out of the Top-5 for the second fight), Top-5 victory against Dan Henderson.

-GSP: Top-10 (perhaps top-5, I can’t remember) victory against BJ Penn the first time, Top-5 victory against Matt Hughes, Loss to unranked Matt Serra, Top-10 victory of Josh Koscheck, Top-10 (perhaps Top-5) victory of Matt Hughes, Top-5 victory over Matt Serra, Top-5 victory against Jon Fitch, Top-5 P4P fighter against BJ Penn.

You’ll note that one of these lists is not like the others.

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Feb 3, 2009 1:47 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

When the last time you lost fair and square

Is never. It’s a little bullshit to only count since 2006.

Gimme 1 Round!

by skwirrl on Feb 3, 2009 8:08 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Also

Rich Franklin is not a top 10 MW.

Gimme 1 Round!

by skwirrl on Feb 3, 2009 8:10 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You’re right, he’s top-5.

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Feb 3, 2009 12:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, he is.

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by Richard Wade on Feb 3, 2009 12:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If we are talking about who is the P4P champ right now, then limiting the time frame to the more recent past makes sense. I chose three years because IIRC several sites use that amount of time for limiting their own discussions of rankings. I hardly think what I did was bullshit.

More to your point, I can see where you’re coming from if we remove the time frame. I’d have to think about it more.

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Feb 3, 2009 12:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think that...

being small in your weight class matters. Is it impressive? Yeah..for sure. But that doesn’t make or break the P4P discussion for me. (I will note that I’m pretty sure I have Fedor #1 if I were to really go into a deep thought process on it).

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by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 3, 2009 12:36 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Two can play at this game

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Feb 3, 2009 1:48 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Downs Syndrome kitten

Is sadder than non-retard Basset

Gimme 1 Round!

by skwirrl on Feb 3, 2009 8:04 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps, but the cat doesn’t know why.

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Feb 3, 2009 12:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

touche

touche…

Gimme 1 Round!

by skwirrl on Feb 3, 2009 6:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Its funny that Lampley understands the way ZUFFA does business

far better than 99% of the people that watch and better than 90% of the people that post about them. I guess a couple decades in the fight biz will do that for you.

Gimme 1 Round!

by skwirrl on Feb 2, 2009 9:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

exactly right.

He really is THE voice of boxing. And he does the play by play commentary, not the analysis. I can’t imagine Mike Goldberg ever speaking as intelligently about MMA.

by steak_knife on Feb 2, 2009 11:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And you are completely impartial and unbiased about Zuffa right?

by iiowyn on Feb 2, 2009 11:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No, he is part of the 1% of people that watch and 10% of people that post about the way Zuffa does business that understands it even better than Lampley. :p

j/k

by ilostmydog on Feb 3, 2009 1:41 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Lampley knows more than any of us

including me. But its close

Gimme 1 Round!

by skwirrl on Feb 3, 2009 9:47 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

the rest of you... eh...

Not so much

Gimme 1 Round!

by skwirrl on Feb 3, 2009 9:47 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Jim Lampley is and always has been the man. great post

by #5mmafan on Feb 2, 2009 8:04 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

That’s the beauty of it: the UFC is like the WBA, WBO and IBF combined.

by subo on Feb 2, 2009 8:17 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

There's a first for everything, but WHO CARES?

I gave up on Lampley and Merchant for their antics and defensiveness for the sake of out sport: http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=2188&zoneid=4

Don’t get me wrong, I grew up watching them on HBO Sports and trust their Boxing opinion and LOVE BOXING still despite this senseless debate on MMA or Boxing. It has always been both for me. I love both and will watch good fights.

I’ve come to terms that WE (MMA) DO NOT NEED THEIR BLESSING TO SURVIVE AND THRIVE.

It’s good to see the about face, but, Jim, we don’t care.

by dohfil on Feb 2, 2009 8:19 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Who cares what this alleged wife beater thinks, seriously?

by _Felix_ on Feb 2, 2009 8:21 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Jeff Monson?

They have the same accusation leveled against them

Gimme 1 Round!

by skwirrl on Feb 2, 2009 9:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Monson is a straight up idiot, so it wouldnt surprise me.

by _Felix_ on Feb 2, 2009 9:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t get why this “feud” only exists between MMA and boxing?

Nobody ever says anything about boxing vs kickboxing or mma vs kickboxing.

I think it is more of the “personalities” (not the fighters) of the two sports lambasting each other over trivial details and essentially slinging shit like angry monkeys at each other.

All 3 of the major combat sports exist on their own and will continue to do so for a long time, each of them has their fans, some fans like 2 of them, some fans like me, enjoy all 3.

It is only the promoters and douchebags that create a rift between the great world of being a fan of combat sports, I have never had the thought that any of them would have to be sacrificed to promote one of the others.

by DirtyML on Feb 2, 2009 8:24 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I agree with everything he said, I never ever thought that would happen. Now if he could just smarten up the rest of the boxing crowd we’d be on to something. Hybrid fans.

YAMATO DAMASHII

by R.T. on Feb 2, 2009 8:34 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Badr Hari called us all fags shortly before Alastair K.H.T.F.O. He may have been trying to stir up a rivalry and I think this “rivalry” is the way K is gonna book dream outside of they’re GP’s at least in the short term.

YAMATO DAMASHII

by R.T. on Feb 2, 2009 8:37 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

UFC is popular not necessarily MMA. When you cant even fill an arena when two of the top HW MMA fighters are fighting at their prime, that kind of looks bad. Mosley/Margarito had highest attendance records EVER at the staples and people dont even question what organization is sponsoring the event.

by pandaboy99 on Feb 2, 2009 8:41 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

They are their own sports with their own rule sets. Is well rounded MMA training more effective than boxing in a real world application? Sure. But what does real world application have to do with sport?

As far as real world goes, that’s debatable. Personally I wouldn’t be actively trying to pull guard in a real encounter.

But yes that has nothing to do with the sport.

by Pandanus on Feb 2, 2009 9:03 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

truth

Boxing is the most suited for engaging more than 1 person at once.

Gimme 1 Round!

by skwirrl on Feb 2, 2009 9:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree. There’s a lot of useful clinch fighting, elbows, knees, kicks, and other techniques that one can do even when faced with multiple assailants.

Also, boxers sans 12 ounce gloves run a big risk of breaking their hands.

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Feb 2, 2009 9:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't matter when you're in a streetfight

break your hand but adrenaline will keep you going still able to smash faces. I think Muay Thai is equally useful but that any clinching is a dire mistake when confronted with 2 or more assailants. Maintaining distance and sticking and moving will save your ass. Not Thai clinching and leaving your back exposed and damn sure not taking somebody down.

My opinion. Straight kickboxing is also great for RW situations

Gimme 1 Round!

by skwirrl on Feb 2, 2009 9:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Muay thai elbows on the other hand

Are devastating psychologically in RW situations. People don’t like to see their own blood and if you slice their face open with and elbow or a quick couple knees. Then yes Muay Thai is devastating. I guess its all about applying it in very quick bursts

Gimme 1 Round!

by skwirrl on Feb 2, 2009 9:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

One of the main advantages of elbows over punches is that elbows can hit just as hard, but won’t break anywhere near as easily.

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Feb 3, 2009 4:06 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I should clarify: greco clinch fighting probably a bad idea when faced with multiple assailants. However, a thai plum, especially against somebody who doesn’t know how to defend it, is very dominant. You can push people around to put them between you and other folks, chuck a knee or two and toss them away

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Feb 3, 2009 4:04 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think muay thai is a lot more suited for this. Not that it matters, but obviously pulling guard is a retarded way to fight 10 people in real life.

by Michael Rome on Feb 2, 2009 9:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I tend to apply

the techniques of track and field when faced with a group of attackers. Which of course is to say…I throw a javelin in one of them

Contributing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.

by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 2, 2009 10:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I saw that! Brent killed a guy. Did you throw a trident?

Brent Brookhouse: Yeah, there were horses, and a man on fire, and I killed a guy with a trident.

Brent, I’ve been meaning to talk to you about that. You should find yourself a safehouse or a relative close by. Lay low for a while, because you’re probably wanted for murder.

Gimme 1 Round!

by skwirrl on Feb 2, 2009 10:49 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Ha! Rec’d.

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Feb 3, 2009 4:07 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That’s got to be a bit bulky to carry around, but I can see how it would be effective in many situations.

by Cannon Jacques on Feb 2, 2009 10:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Photobucket

Gimme 1 Round!

by skwirrl on Feb 2, 2009 10:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think the biggest part of the opinion shift by Lampley

is that you are now seeing real athletes, (besides just wrestlers), in MMA. Rampage is a decent boxer as far as defense and is actually technically proficient in the counter game, Machida is brilliant and I have yet to see a boxing fan that dislikes him and GSP is just a plain stellar athlete. I bet if you showed Lampley a Machida fight he would be highly impressed and nobody can deny GSP’s natural athletic gifts. Guys such as these 3 – especially the latter two have given the boxing world reason to take notice of MMA.

Also I hope Lampley and Merchant commentate Arlovski’s boxing match, I like AA but I would love to laugh my ass off when Merchant starts talking shit about AA’s glass jaw.

Gimme 1 Round!

by skwirrl on Feb 2, 2009 9:52 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I would enjoy seeing a Boxing vs MMA type of show akin to the K1 Dynamite kickboxers vs MMA show.

People always said MMA artists would be demolished in a stand up fight with K1 fighters, and they did not do so bad.

Remember the “first” Overeem performance? Rampage over Cyril Abidi, knocked him out clean in the first round. He later went on to win over Abidi in a decision. That was Rampages last foray into kickboxing, but who knows how far he could have gone?

I think the cross-over performances open up not only great new fights, but allow fans of the other sports to see that we can all get along and expose them to fighters and styles they may not be accustomed to.

 I can tell you a lot of K1 fans became Rampage fans on the night(s) he beat Cyril, and a lot of MMA fans became fans of the K1 ruleset. One can only imagine how many boxing fans would enjoy MMA and vice versas if there was a Dynamite style show with the right fighters on it.

by DirtyML on Feb 2, 2009 11:48 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

What I like is how he implies that boxing's history makes it more legitimate.

As if boxing wasn’t new at some point, replacing some other form of combat sport….I seem to recall that some guys used to fight as gladiators at one point…I guess that is more legitimate in boxing because of the number of years its been around.

Oh, and is actually implying that without Joe Luis and Muhammid Ali there would be no Barak Obama…I think he is patting boxing on the back a bit too hard.

by Razreshat on Feb 3, 2009 9:19 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

No...

what he is saying is that boxing has more cultural relevancy because of its history. Which is true. MMA does not (as much as some will pretend this isn’t the case) have a Joe Louis, Jack Johnson, Muhammad Ali, Mike Tyson, Jack Dempsey, Sugar Ray Leonard, Sugar Ray Robinson, Rocky Marciano…and so on…level of a cultural figure. No matter what there is no way around the fact that boxing has a long history of importance and legitimacy in the “American Experience.” When he says “more legitimate” he doesn’t mean that boxing is more legitimate as a sport. He means that in terms of “cultural currency” MMA is still in its infancy where as boxing has a history unlike pretty much any other sport outside of baseball in America.

As for the no Joe Louis, no Muhammad Ali, no Barack Obama thing…it may seem extreme on the surface. But there are a long line of boxers (namely Jack Johnson, Joe Louis and Muhammad Ali) who can be considered major figures in the history of African Americans and were all crucial in their own ways in the civil rights struggle and the acceptance of their race in this country. Would Barack Obama still be president without these figures? There is actually a legitimate argument that he would not be.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 3, 2009 11:53 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Joe Lewis

That crushed the Nazi’s great white pride in Max Schmelling??? NOT CULTURALLY RELEVANT! I’ll figure out how thats possible later.

Jack Dempsey made combat sports relevant in the first place. Nobody in MMA chews pine tar gum and soaks their face in brine to strengthen their jaw and to toughen their skin up. If Fedor learned from Dempsey he would be invincible

Gimme 1 Round!

by skwirrl on Feb 3, 2009 6:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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