Report: Rich Franklin Will Fight Wanderlei Silva at UFC 99
by Michael Rome on Feb 18, 2009 4:42 PM EST
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Props to MMA Weekly on the scoop:
MMAWeekly.com was able to confirm that Rich Franklin and Wanderlei Silva have agreed to fight each other at UFC 99.
"I talk with (UFC matchmaker) Joe Silva and... say no problem, I'm down for 185? He say, no problem," Silva said in a recent interview with MMAWeekly.com, but adding, "I could fight in both divisions; I could fight 185 and 205."
It appears that he may not fight at either weight come June 13. Though it is too soon for bout agreements, sources have indicated that Franklin and Silva have agreed to face each other at a catch weight somewhere in the neighborhood of 195 pounds.
This is a really cool fight on a card that is shaping up nicely. I'm not really sure what to make of the decision on weight. I think it's a compromise as Wand is in the process of moving down and Rich has put on too much weight to go back down, so they'll meet in the middle...works for me.
The rumored card so far is Penn vs. Florian, Silva vs. Franklin, Fisher vs. Uno, and Mirko vs. TBA. Not bad if it all comes together.
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Damz, this card could be one of the best we have ever seen:
Fisher v. Uno
W. Silva v. Franklin
Penn v. Florian
Mirko v. Couture (rumored)
Mirko-Couture definitely won’t happen. I just contacted someone close to randy that said there’s no way he’s fighting in Germany in June.
by Michael Rome on Feb 18, 2009 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
Not surprised Couture doesn’t want to fight in Germany in June.
I wonder who they’ll have Cro Cop fight.
by Michael Hatamoto on Feb 18, 2009 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
His movie filming ends like May 12. He’d have to fly back to Vegas, train for 3 weeks after doing no training at all for 2 months, and then go fight. Makes no sense.
by Michael Rome on Feb 18, 2009 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
Harry Carey
From a WGN Cubs broadcast with Steve Stone.
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "
Rematch GG.. its a huge mark on CC record not being able to avenge such a shocking loss. I doubt GG could pull that off again
I’m certain he’d pull it off again. Theres a reason CroCop has mentioned rematching Kongo, but hasn’t said anything about Gonzaga.
by Michaelthebox on Feb 18, 2009 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
Pull off another headkick like that? Crocop would be done as a fighter if hed let that ever happen again literally and figuratively.
Not necessarily a headkick. But Gonzaga would beat him, and do it cleanly.
Remember, the headkick was the result of Gonzaga taking him down and brutalizing him for four minutes.
by Michaelthebox on Feb 18, 2009 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
Right. It wasn’t just some fluky out of nowhere kick. The kick only landed because Gonzaga had beaten him so badly that he didn’t see the kick coming.
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by Richard Wade on Feb 18, 2009 6:45 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think CC would ever agree to another Kongo or Overeem fight.
It hurts too much thinking about it.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Feb 18, 2009 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
So, they’ve got a Hawaiian and former K-1 fighter, plus two former PRIDE stars and one Japanese MMA legend. Very interesting.
LOL, oh smoogy, I must visit
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by Leland Roling on Feb 18, 2009 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, one of the things that sucks is… I’m a developer during the day… so I had to naturally do it myself. Big f—ing nightmare. But hey, it works now
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by Leland Roling on Feb 18, 2009 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
I’m at work, but I’ll be on tonight, likely discussing parlay options since I’ve had to listen to horrible betting advice on nearly every blog. There’s a reason I’m still up like 5 grand this year, it’s because I don’t listen to ridiculousness.
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by Leland Roling on Feb 18, 2009 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
Try to remain civil.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Feb 18, 2009 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
And they’re all finally under one banner! Isn’t it great?
by Derek Suboticki on Feb 18, 2009 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, yes it is subo. And it would seem that we are, again, utterly alone in our sentiment. But at least we have each other.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
by misterjonez on Feb 18, 2009 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
For guys like Rich, Wand, Houston Alexander, Dan Henderson, Shogun, and others caught inbetween, a 195 weight class makes a lot of sense. If they ever add a division I think this is the one to add.
I think that eventually they will have to add more classes, but I am wary of it b/c of what it has done to boxing.
IMO
That is a big misconception. The weight classes have little if nothing to do with any issues in boxing. The problem is the alphabet soup of sanctioning bodies (IBA, WBA, WBC, IBF, Ring, etc.) have completely fractured boxing at all weight classes and all out of greed…each body has a different set of contenders and “mandatory challengers” that almost always muddy the waters as to who the recognized champion is and prevent unified titleholders.
Yes you can have fighters/boxers fighting across weight classes, but unlike current MMA classes, you don’t need a fighter to make GIANT leaps in weight to move up/down and thus don’t need to give extended periods off for fighter to gain or shed weight.
I am the bastard love child of Junie Browning and Diamond Dave Kaplan.
Closer weight classes can also refresh the sport by creating new matches regularly.
by Michael Rome on Feb 18, 2009 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
+1
By having a middle ground between two weight classes you’ll be able to pull fighters from different divisions together much easier without either one “giving up too much” to get there.
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I don't know about closer weight classes
so much as adding weight classes. Make the split 15 lbs per division from LW to LHW with one more class between MW and LHW, and I think you’d do more good in the long run. Yes, I understand that this effectively makes a few weight classes closer, but the overall approach is simply to add divisions, which I do think there’s room for in the UFC. Not every card has a significant title/contention fight on it, which really does need to be remedied. Even if it’s just for increased marketing leverage with the free events.
This would also eliminate the problem of diluting the HW talent pool overly much, as it would just move LHW up 10 lbs (155-170-185-200-215-265). Guys like Couture would fight 215 for certain (not him particularly, but guys his size) rather than stick at HW, or adversely affect their physical tools by cutting to 205.
I never did understand the reasoning, going from 185lbs to 205lbs? It would make sense if the classes went 155-170-190-215, since that would be successive increases in the differential (15-20-25), but they abandoned the 15lbs rule kind of outta nowhere.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
by misterjonez on Feb 18, 2009 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
155 to 170 is a 10% increase. 170 to 185 is a 9% increase. 185 to 205 is an 11% increase. They’re similar.
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Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Feb 18, 2009 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not really arguing with the differences as inappropriate, it just seemed odd to keep it consistent for two division splits, then change later. HW is an obvious one to have a much larger range.
Good point on the %’s, though.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
by misterjonez on Feb 18, 2009 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
Given the current pool of top MMA talent...
if they had to add a weight class, bringing LHW down to 200 and adding a Cruiserweight class at 215 is how I’d go. I’d bump HW’s upper limit to 275 or 280 to slightly make up for the lost HWs though.
I like the direction, obviously.
I’m just not sure that bumping HW up really does anything for the division. How many legit, high-end prospects are there who are being kept out of MMA due to being too big? Most NFL linemen, if they were conditioning for MMA rather than football, would be able to shed 40-50lbs in like one year without losing their explosiveness or overall power. 265 is ok with me, but like I said, I like the direction of your suggestion.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
I wonder if Wandy will finally work on some striking defence and implementing a jab and low kicks. If he doesn’t, and it pains me to say this as the Axe Murderer bandwagon driver, Franklin will eat his lunch.
Seriously, he was actually looking composed and landing low kicks and even stuffed an early takedown on ‘Page and then idiotically went into his hook-hook-hook mode. You train with Xtreme Couture, you’d think you’d pick up a few tips by now my man!
I am the bastard love child of Junie Browning and Diamond Dave Kaplan.
“You train with Xtreme Couture, you’d think you’d pick up a few tips by now my man!”
LOL I agree.
I never understand why fighters like Chuck, etc, leave their hands down. You may get away with it for a while, but eventually people are gonna start hitting you on the chin.
Then again, I’m not a fighter, so what do I know.
Wand has been doing it his whole career…when he gets into exchanges he wings the hooks, and for the most part it has worked for him…but he was usually fighting guys without great striking. Didn’t work against the guys that do, and it won’t work with Rich. He is going to need to actively work for the clinch to win this fight.
by Michael Rome on Feb 18, 2009 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
He fought and KTFO’d Jackson twice before – but I think he was using a far more varied striking attack in those victories. Granted Jackson’s striking has improved, but Silva’s reliance on throwing wild power punches has dramatically increased in the last few years.
I am the bastard love child of Junie Browning and Diamond Dave Kaplan.
Jackson's always had raw power,
but when he lost to Wand earlier in his career, he was nowhere near Silva’s striking ability.
Incidentally, everyone see that sports science bit where Rampage’s triangle-choke-slam is definitively the hardest hit in all of professional sports? Something like the equivalent of an unprotected 40mph car crash?
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by misterjonez on Feb 18, 2009 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
For the record....
The shot that dropped Jardine before he demolished him on the floor was a straight right to the chin. He is capable of throwing more than hooks.
by Nick Travaglini on Feb 19, 2009 7:52 AM EST up reply actions
Fully agree...
He just doesn’t seem to want to do anything but that however.
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Gone are the days of shitty overseas cards, I suppose.
by Derek Suboticki on Feb 18, 2009 4:28 PM EST reply actions
Or they just believe in starting strong and it’ll eventually get weak. I have never bought this line about overseas cards doing worse because they’re overseas. At best a very small number of people even know they’re taped, and you can watch them live or at the regular time. It has everything to do with card quality and the UFC not really promoting these overseas cards.
by Michael Rome on Feb 18, 2009 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
The debut card is almost always a massive one. Remember when the UFC went to OH for the first time? They put together UFC 68…
fast forward a few years and we’ve got UFC 96 LOL
Not for Chicago though...which is part of the reason the crowd turned on that show...
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by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 18, 2009 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
10-4 on that one.
I am not certain on the size difference, but Franklin seems to be much bigger than Wand & I see him using his legs a lot on this fight & just picking Wand apart.
Rich has much better head movement, angles, and footwork, and IMO has more tools in his arsenal when it comes to striking.
But RIch is my fav fighter so what do I know.
I was thinking along those same lines.
His style is perfect to stop Wand. I still love Franklin & just hope he is smart enough to stay away from A Silva!
This is solid matchmaking. I can’t wait to see this fight.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
If they can both make either weight, why a catch weight?
The UFC is beyond the point where it should be doing catch weight bouts.
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by The Kittitas Kid on Feb 18, 2009 4:57 PM EST reply actions
Both these guys are top ten at 205 (Franklin also at 185). I’d hardly call that being a gatekeeper.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Feb 18, 2009 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
The consensus opinion among those who do rankings for MMA is that he’s top 10. I’m not going to argue whether or not he should be, but the fact is that he is in the top 10.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Feb 18, 2009 6:47 PM EST up reply actions
Isn’t Franklin like 16th on the metarankings? Either way, calling them gatekeepers at this point is a bit precocious.
He’s mostly low I think because most websites had him at 2 at 185 pounds for a while. Certainly he is top 10 after destroying Hamill and having such a close fight with Dan.
by Michael Rome on Feb 18, 2009 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think so, not considering how many established top 205ers there are with better wins.
Rashad Evans
Lyoto Machida
Quinton Jackson
Dan Henderson
Forrest Griffin
Antonio Rogerio Nogueira
Wanderlei Silva
Keith Jardine
Luis Arthur Cane
Chuck Liddell
Renato “Babalu” Sobral
Mauricio Rua
Tito Ortiz
There’s 13 for you, I could probably think of a few more.
just asking
What quality wins for..
Wand?
Tito?
Ninja?
Chuck?
not trying to be a smartass, but i dont remember any recent quality wins by that crew.
by DUGASWARRIOR on Feb 18, 2009 6:21 PM EST up reply actions
The better question would be, what has Franklin done to surpass any of them? Beating Matt Hamill isn’t exactly a career-maker.
Agreed, he needs another win in the division against anyone on that list really to get him into the top 10 IMO. I think a LOT OF SITES are ranking him high because of his middleweight standing, and those should realistically have no bearing on his LHW ranking.
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by Leland Roling on Feb 18, 2009 6:34 PM EST up reply actions
Well, okay, then we can give it time. I think he definitely beats a number of guys on that list, including Ortiz, Babalu, Cane, Jardine, and Nogueira. I also think he beat Henderson and got robbed.
I know it’s not really a proper way to do “real” rankings, but seeing as rankings are ultimately meaningless, I rank based on who I think is best at the weight. I think Rich would be competitive with every single guy there and would beat most of them, with the exception of Machida and Jackson.
by Michael Rome on Feb 18, 2009 7:15 PM EST up reply actions
And even without wins he should be above babalu, who he would beat 10/10 times.
by Michael Rome on Feb 18, 2009 7:15 PM EST up reply actions
Why Babalu is ranked above Rich is beyond me.
But with a win over Wand that should put Rich in the top ten for sure, and end all of the speculation.
Feijao, seriously?
My way is subjective, but so is every other MMA ranking system where people make up reasons to excuse certain losses, discount certain wins, etc.
by Michael Rome on Feb 18, 2009 7:22 PM EST up reply actions
I hear you. I guess I just don’t have a lot of confidence in slow kickboxers like Franklin and Griffin. Feijao is a bit green, but his muay thai is already at a pretty high level for MMA. In a division like 205 where strikers dominate, that counts for a lot IMO. And its why I scratch my head over people constantly sleeping on Rogerio, who is arguably a top 3 LHW in striking as well as grappling.
Rogerio's problem...
is that he has never been flashy enough. If you’re not bringing the flash you don’t get the second look that pushes a guy up the rankings of the “fans.”
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by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 18, 2009 8:53 PM EST up reply actions
Hmm...
I think you’re both a bit off the mark. I love Rogerio and his boxing and jits are money. He looked great against the Janitor, but he hasn’t done much else since getting plugged by Sokou. Todd Gouwenberg, Edwin Dewees and Moise Rimbon isn’t exactly the kind of resume that gets you noticed. I’d like to see another quality win or two before I put him in the definitive top ten conversation, but he’s close, and he’s as talented as many of the best at 205.
"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry
by Blackout612 on Feb 18, 2009 9:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ironically, Dewees is the last notable win Franklin has at 205 besides Hamill.
I agree those three weren’t spectacular opponents, but all Rogerio can do is get in there and fight who they put in front of him. I think the win streak topped with a win over Vlad, plus his big previous wins (Hendo, Overeem etc.) more than justify a spot in the top 10.
And Brent, how is this for flashy?
Oh agreed...
I love the Nogueira brothers. Big Nog is my favorite fighter in the history of MMA. His Pride run was so much better than Fedor’s in the amazing drama in EVERY fight.
I think that Rogerio has never been AS exciting as his brother which makes him seem “less flashy” I should have clarified that I was not saying that I personally think he isn’t flashy…just that he’s never carried a major “exciting” rep with the fanbase.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 18, 2009 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
Ok, I agree with that. But he is incredibly solid, and one of the few guys to really whoop Hendo in PRIDE. I think he can ascend to be the #2 LHW in the world (with Lyoto at #1 of course).
With his...
combination of crisp striking and tight ground game (and the fact that he doesn’t usually take insane amounts of damage like Rodrigo) I don’t think you’re crazy to think he can hit that level. I think he’d have some problems with some of the monster 205 guys in the UFC and I think stylistically Rashad is a really bad fight for him…but in terms of talent I could see him as top 5 in the world at some point, absolutely
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by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 19, 2009 12:53 AM EST up reply actions
He cannot be #2
..with the world 205 scene the way it is today, without being in the UFC. Absolutely, unequivocally, no way whatsoever. Be realistic.
"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry
Asterisk
He could be, should he move and the scene stays the same. But I have a handful of guys beating him in the UFC, currently. Rampage, Machida and Rashad, most notably.
"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry
Not Flashy or exciting?
Ahem Rogerio vs Shogun in the quarter finals of the 2005 grand prix might be the single best MMA fight I have ever seen. It is definitely in my top 3.
by Nick Travaglini on Feb 19, 2009 7:57 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed
Rankings are ultimately meaningless because we don’t have one promotion with all those fighters. Rich would be competitive at the weight class, but I still think he needs one legitimate win against a top ten guy in order to actually move into those spots. Do I think he can do that? Yes, I do.
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by Leland Roling on Feb 18, 2009 9:51 PM EST up reply actions
OOPS
My bad, i was in 185 land. i stand corrected
by DUGASWARRIOR on Feb 18, 2009 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
I think that one could argue that Franklin is better than Babalu, Lil Nog, Cane, and Rua. I’d put him over Tito too, but that is just me.
Cane is legit top ten IMO, but he hasn’t beaten anybody besides Sokou, and I don’t think beating Sokou is that big of a deal. Babalu would get smashed by Ace IMO.
Lil Nog might have a shot, but from his recent performances I think Ace beats him. Same with Rua.
Just for fun, I’ll say that I rank Franklin ahead of everyone on that list except Evans, Jackson, Griffin, Machida and Henderson.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
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by Richard Wade on Feb 18, 2009 6:48 PM EST up reply actions
I see the top ten like this:
Rashad Evans
Lyoto Machida
Quinton Jackson
Forrest Griffin
Wanderlei Silva
Keith Jardine
Chuck Liddell
Dan Henderson
Mauricio Rua
Rich Franklin
I was thinking Fight Matrix rankings when I said that, but the point still stands about them not being gatekeepers.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Feb 18, 2009 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
Crocop vs Cain. Since Cain wants to make a name for himself. And I think crocop wont mind fighting anyone who wont pound in his balls.
Hitman and Reljic
Hitman and Relijic should be on this card too…
Seriously
Where the fuck has Reljic been?
"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry
I think he’s off fighting Poseidon.
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by Rundownloser on Feb 18, 2009 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
According to Wiki
His next fight was supposed to be a middleweight bout set for UFC 90 against Thales Leites, but was scratched from the card due to an injury suffered by Reljic.
So… Is he still injured? He hasn’t fought since TKOing Gouveia last May.
"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry
I was recently asking the same about Cote. How’s his rehab going?
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by Leland Roling on Feb 18, 2009 6:35 PM EST up reply actions
Its amazing how much talent Heath Herring has had to fight in his career. hes had to fight fedor, crocop, brock, nogueria and the list goes on. Hes like a sacrificial lamb for the big names of mma
hes never really embarassed himself either in the fights ive seen
i like the kid a lot
im not impressed with your performance
The problem...
The problem that Heath is going to face is that all the severe beatings he’s taken will take their toll on him physically. I think that’s the big downside to the limited skillset he has. He hasn’t been able to finish fights that he’s won quickly, but he’s been tough enough to last with a lot of top guys.
Getting your head beaten in and taking it is respectable, but I beg to ask the question as to how much longer he can take such severe punishment and be a challenger to mid to upper-echelon competition.
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by Leland Roling on Feb 18, 2009 6:37 PM EST up reply actions
jesus... wanderlei nevers get easy fights.
wouldve liked to see them bring him along slowly at 185… but this’ll still be a hell of a fight
I totally agree! Give Wand a damn break!
I can’t see Wand winning this one. I’d much rather seen a Leban fight then maybe 1 more MW then Rich if they really wanted to do that.
I just wish they’d get Rich settled in at 205, allow him to put on good weight and try to make moves in the division. I think he can be a contender at 205.
I think he does ask for the biggest and baddest guys. Cro Cop, Hendo, Liddell, Jardine, Rampage, Franklin…. thats crazy! I don’t know any other fighter who accepts so many brutal matchups back to back.
Wanderlei is a huge name and can call shots to a certain extent. There would be absolutely no shame in ducking a guy or two at this stage in his career. But the dude is a warrior. Win or lose, no one comes close to Wand in terms of pure violence.
by cauliflower_ears on Feb 19, 2009 7:21 AM EST up reply actions
Now I kind of wish Franklin had beaten Hendo
Because we’d probably have gotten Hendo-Wanderlei
by Derek Suboticki on Feb 18, 2009 6:56 PM EST reply actions
I’ve already seen that fight twice.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Feb 18, 2009 7:36 PM EST up reply actions
I was, but they both only have so many fights left and I’d like to see them fight guys I haven’t seen them fight before.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Feb 18, 2009 8:58 PM EST up reply actions
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