The Harmless Fun in Frank Shamrock vs. Nick Diaz

Robert Joyner underscores some key features about the fight:
A straight sell on the sporting aspects of MMA can vary greatly. Match two of the top 5 pound 4 pound guys on the planet like BJ Penn and Georges St Pierre, and you can do huge numbers like UFC 94 has purported to do. On the other hand throw together two guys also in most folks Top 10 p4p at the time they fought, Dan Henderson and Anderson Silva, and the numbers fall somewhat flat. Conversely, some of the bigger box offices on PPV have had little in the way of sporting impact (Shamrock vs Otiz 2, Hughes vs Gracie).
The month of April will give a contrast of sorts for the two booking options available, sport vs entertainment. Anderson Silva vs. Thales Leites will take place and will do serviceable numbers based on the UFC brand. It will feature the unquestioned best 185 lber in the world, but from a perspective of a fight that gets the juices flowing, the fight that I will be looking most forward to that month will be Frank vs Nick. One would have a hard job making a case that Frank Shamorck is a top ten fighter at 185 anymore, but his fights with Phil Baroni and Cung Le over the past two years have been a couple of the more entertaining fights that have taken place. The build to these fights were almost as much fun as the fights themselves, the Baroni fight especially. A fight like Diaz vs Shamrock is almost as much about the sizzle as it is about the steak. The “MMA purist” may scoff at the fight but this is a guilty pleasure that will be well worth indulging.
My only tweak would be that the notion the purist in MMA isn't in favor of this is somewhat overplayed. Certainly no hardliners are going to accept the idea this match means a great deal for MMA or even for either fighter (although some can be gleaned there), but that the entertainment factor in the fight - combined with the engaging personalities, back story of rivals clashing - as well as the genuine unpredictability in the outcome has everyone's attention. Certainly there's some unpredictability in Bob Sapp fights, but the legitimacy of skills involved with the two fighters mostly removes that circus element. And because this fight is at a catch weight without any title implications, there is no attempt by Strikeforce to impose any overt seriousness about the content. I tend to think Shamrock should win, but the truth is there is some mystery about how this will play out that makes watching the fight imperative. This is not tournament MMA to crown a champion, but is most certainly a perfect example of "creating fights people want to see".
And at the end of the day, what true fan of MMA doesn't care for grudge match?
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I love the fight...
I still don’t think there are a whole host of other compelling fights for either guy that are going to move tickets…so this is the way to go
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by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 17, 2009 3:39 PM EST reply actions
I like the idea of this fight even though
it means little to the ultimate landscape of MMA as we know it. It features two guys that people either dislike extremely or are hardcore fans of so that is good. In looking at these two fighters, I would think that it is Shamrock’s to lose wherever the fight goes.
If I watched Wargods, I guess I have to watch this.
I will play my game beneath the spin light.
by Eugene Schelfaut on Feb 17, 2009 3:41 PM EST reply actions
Its hard to guage the ceiling for either fighter in their respective division, since Frank hasn’t had a great deal of fights recently, and Diaz is kind of all over the place. But both of them have very exciting styles and a lot of experience. I have to favor Diaz slightly, but this is a very tough match to predict. The more I think about it, the more I like it.
Love this fight! Screw titles or relevance. Fight sport is for entertainment.
Frank’s boxing is a little more crisp, but Diaz has reach. Frank may have more power since he’s heavier. Edge: Frank.
Jits is close, maybe giving Diaz a slight edge since he goes there more and has certainly applied more submissions in the last few years. Edge: Diaz
Wrestling, what wrestling? Push.
Heart and cardio. They both got it at an elite level. Push
Ego: Huge in both regards….in a bad way. Both have lost fights to rookies on the ground trying to prove how awesome their standup game is. Push
Brother: Diaz can still be in the same room with his without killing him. Edge: Diaz
Crazy medical procedure: Frank getting braces in his mid-thirties and Nick shaving his orbital bones to lessen frequency of cuts. Edge: Diaz
Favorite stress relief: Diaz smoking the reefer and Frank teasing his older brother and just generally talkin shit. Edge: Frank
My prediction for the fight? Pain
No way their Jits is close. Diaz has many more subs he can go to and is the MUCH more accomplished BJJ guy. It’s not even close.
Diaz’s problem is that he likes to trade with his chin wide open. If he does that against Frank he’s going to get KO’d.
Frank is a master of ground fighting. I submit(pun intended) for your review Mr Shamrock’s record:
Record 23 – 9 – 2 (Win – Loss – Draw)
Wins 2 (T)KOs ( 8.7 %)
14 Submissions ( 60.87 %)
5 Decisions ( 21.74 %)
2 Other ( 8.7 %)
Losses 3 (T)KOs ( 33.33 %)
2 Submissions ( 22.22 %)
3 Decisions ( 33.33 %)
1 Other ( 11.11 %)
But as dnevil001 suggests below, I too agree neither fighter will try to go to the ground. But if one of them slips or gets knocked down the other will pounce, unlike Cung Le against Shammy, for example.
I did not realize Shamrock
had that many sub victories. I knew he was good on the ground though. It seems like this was set up to be a brawl & that probably suits these two fighters very well.
I do not even see BJJ
coming into this fight at all unless Shamrock really gets the better of Diaz on the feet. Does anyone really believe that Diaz is not planning on standing with Frank?
I totally think they will both stand and trade no doubt. You hardly ever see Diaz use his BJJ anymore.
Obviously, but outside of that he’s been slugging it out his last few fights. He’s brilliant on the ground too.
Hes been doing it recently because he can get away with it and win on the feet.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Feb 17, 2009 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
He’s been doing it even where he can’t against Noons and then his robbery win over Aina. His wrestling is bad.
by Michael Rome on Feb 17, 2009 5:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Although he had the surgery done to prevent cutting, which is the reason he lost.
If the doctor would not have stopped the fight, it would have been interesting to see if Diaz would have fatigued Noons, like he has done before to his opponents.
I am not taking anything away though, since Noons won that fight fair and square.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Feb 17, 2009 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
His boxing is so so bad though. The way he just wades in and then pitter patter style throws, almost slapping shots. He’s going to get brutaly KO’d if he does that against Frank. Frank looks a lot crisper these days with his boxing and I have to believe he has an advantage in the power dept over Diaz.
i cant wait for this fight. this should be a classic barnburner with 2 dudes beating the you know what out of each other. with that being said Nick Diaz will win the fight in the 3rd round, and you can take that to the bank. and like the articles mentions, the build up will be amazing and full of great quotes and one liners.
I’m trying to fight Jon Fitch, I’m trying to fight Silva, I’m trying to fight K.J. Noons, I’m trying to fight everybody. I’m trying to fight Takanori Gomi, Sakurai, I’m trying to (expletive) everybody up. (Expletive) this (expletive). This is (expletive) gangster (expletive) warfare. I don’t give a (expletive). You know what I mean?" – Nick Diaz

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