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Shields Staying With Strikeforce? Coker Comments on Kimbo, Rogers, Noons, Fedor and Affliction

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CagePotato has an exclusive interview with Strikeforce CEO Scott Coker. This was a great interview, good job CP.

 

Comments on fighters acquired going to the UFC:

What about any fighters who might have been hoping to get free of their Pro Elite contracts and sign with the UFC?

I’ve only had that conversation with one fighter.  And we’ve had two or three conversations with that fighter since, and now I think they may be feeling a different way than they were before.

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We dealt with that frustration at the very beginning and we understood where it was coming from, but a lot of these guys I’ve known for a long time, their managers are friends of mine, so I think the ice has all been broken.  And the fighter who was originally looking to go to the UFC is now saying, ‘Do you think I could fight by May?’  So I think they see what we’re doing and it’s going to be okay.

 

Comments on Brett Rogers:

Let’s talk about specific fighters and your plans for them.  How about Brett Rogers? What do you see in his future with Strikeforce?

Yeah, Brett Rogers is someone we want to put to work right away.  It looks like he’ll probably fight in our May show.  We know he’s a very strong heavyweight.  We’ll try and put him to work and get him back in there and maybe he and Kimbo can fight some time in 2010.

 

Comments on K.J. Noons:

What about K.J. Noons?  Things got ugly between him and the Pro Elite management and he left MMA for boxing.

Oh, he’ll be back.  

You sound pretty confident of that.

[Laughs]  Here’s the deal: [Noons’ manager] Mark Dion and I have been friends for many years.  We met a long time ago and KJ used to kickbox for me.  But I know he wants to fight.  I saw him at the Darchinyan-Arce fight last weekend, and he told me he still wants to fight in MMA, as well as boxing.  So he’ll be back.

 

Comments on Affliction and using their fighters:

I’ve heard you talk about fighters you’d like to work with, guys like Jay Hieron and even Fedor Emelianenko, for example, who are with Affliction right now.  It almost sounds like you think Affliction won’t be around too much longer and those guys will be free.  Is that the case?

It’s not about thinking that Affliction will be going away, but it’s more like when Affliction wanted Paul Buentello, we said fine, we’ll let him fight for Affliction.  Affliction wanted to use "Babalu" [Sobral], who was under contract with us, and we said fine.  So in return I would think they’d reciprocate if we wanted to use Jay Hieron.  

With Fedor, it’s a little different story.  The economics of that situation are so much different than with any other fighters.  We haven’t had any conversation with Fedor, and we haven’t had any conversations with Affliction about Fedor.  But in the future, those conversations could happen, but I don’t see why we’d want to have a closed-door policy if it made good business sense to do a fight together with somebody.

 

In the end, it looks like being Scott Coker is paying off. His great relationships with the UFC, fighters, their managers, and networks are allowing him to make this asset purchase work.

As Coker put it, finding a "business remedy" instead of a legal one is allowing all fighters that were acquired to stay with the budding promotion.  If the fighters still want to leave, they can just renegotiate or sign with whomever they want when their contracts have expired.

It also appears that he has a vision of what he wants to do with each fighter already, wanting Kimbo to take 2-3 fights before fighting someone like Rogers in 2010 and keeping him off main events, unifying the EliteXC and Strikeforce belts, and building up the womens division, are all welcomed attitudes in the MMA world.

Regarding Shields, it appears that Coker is already trying to set up a Sheilds vs Hieron bout for the May event, which is probably one of the better WW matches outside of the UFC.

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Ugh

Shields has said he’s wanted to go to the UFC to fight the best welterweights in the world, and it would be a tragedy if he were to sign with Strikeforce…

by Randomus on Feb 13, 2009 2:11 PM EST reply actions  

He also said that last time when his contract expired, and he resigned with EliteXC.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Feb 13, 2009 2:25 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Meh. His camp has been quite adamant about making the jump to the UFC.

Him previously signing a contract with EliteXC and possibly signing a contract with Strikeforce cannot be compared.

by Randomus on Feb 13, 2009 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah..

When he signed that deal with EXC he wasn’t the commodity he is today. He was undoubtedly more interested in the UFC than they were in him.

by Blackout612 on Feb 13, 2009 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

He got a contract offer from the UFC, but he said the EliteXC offer was better.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Feb 13, 2009 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

And this time around, he wanted to be the coach of TUF opposite Bisping, but ZombieXC fucked with him for just long enough to prevent that from happening. I bet he’s fucking thrilled about that.

by Derek Suboticki on Feb 13, 2009 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Are you talking about Robbie Lawler?

by MMASuPreMaCy on Feb 13, 2009 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Lawler is probably more interested in the six figure purses of Strikeforce at this point.

by smoogy on Feb 13, 2009 6:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Plus, the MWs in Strikeforce are PURE GOLD match ups on network TV.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Feb 13, 2009 6:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Everything I’ve heard said he wanted to be TUF coach, Zuffa wanted him but he was unable to do so because of the contract situation.

That’s pretty bogus.

by Derek Suboticki on Feb 13, 2009 8:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Lawyer is getting a pretty cush landing. He’s already making close to six figures, going to be a face of Strikeforce and is going to headline events on Showtime and possibly more on CBS. Not a bad deal considering UFC kicked him to curb years ago. I’d say the grass has been greener for him.

by bignerd on Feb 14, 2009 12:38 AM EST up reply actions  

He would’ve headlined a UK show against Bisping and made six figures in that fight ALONE (endorsements included). To say he didn’t get jobbed is a fucking reach – all these EXC fighters got jobbed by being unable to fight or negotiate for months.

Pretending otherwise just because you like little organizations is bullshit.

by Derek Suboticki on Feb 14, 2009 3:03 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Wow, really?

That’s the point. He got overpaid and wasn’t worth it at the time.

by Blackout612 on Feb 13, 2009 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Says who? The UFC because they were outbid by EliteXC?

by MMASuPreMaCy on Feb 13, 2009 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Since the UFC could afford to outbid EliteXC for anyone, you have to assume they felt EliteXC was overpaying for them not to outbid them.

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by Richard Wade on Feb 13, 2009 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Of course, that is how they kept him.
Would he know take a huge pay cut though to fight in the UFC?

by MMASuPreMaCy on Feb 13, 2009 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Show me your figures

Coker is smart with his checkbook. I doubt these guys are going to see the albatross contracts that the Shaw’s were slinging around. They’ll get paid well, but to say that Shields would have to settle for less to go to the UFC is totally baseless.

by Blackout612 on Feb 13, 2009 7:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Strikeforce has given out some nice paydays. Shamrock and Cung Lee got paid a huge amount of money to fight. Babalu in his last fight got paid close to what Affliction gives him and Scott Smith earned $40k for his last fight which was also around the EliteXC figure. Smith if UFC was only paid $5k to show and $5k win bonus.

by bignerd on Feb 14, 2009 12:42 AM EST up reply actions  

If he watched the last GSP fight I doubt he wants any piece of that any time soon.

by Bigperm on Feb 13, 2009 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I will give a shit when contracts are signed – and not a day before.

by Derek Suboticki on Feb 13, 2009 2:31 PM EST reply actions  

Shields has 2 fights left right? He can be out by September with 2 easy wins and more exposure. Probably a good move to just stay.

by Michael Rome on Feb 13, 2009 3:08 PM EST reply actions  

I am not sure about “easy”. If he fights Jay, I don’t think that is a lock for Shields at all.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Feb 13, 2009 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

If Hieron isn’t a lock for Shields, he really has no business going over to the UFC anyway. I have always suspected he would be creamed by the Koschecks of the world…so I guess Hieron is a decent test case.

by Michael Rome on Feb 13, 2009 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Not a lock

But a fight he should certainly win.

by Blackout612 on Feb 13, 2009 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

If he’s really a top five guy, then he better win that fight.

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by Richard Wade on Feb 13, 2009 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d link to GSP-Hieron a la’ Punch Out!!, but Zuffa’s already taken it down. I mean, they can’t pay guys to create that kind of true, viral marketing, and they stomp it out like a cigarette. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

by Derek Suboticki on Feb 13, 2009 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Is that the only fight UFC guys can reference when someone mentions Jay Hieron? That fight was in 2004 (UFC 48).

by MMASuPreMaCy on Feb 13, 2009 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Really? I think it would go the way of Paul Daly. He would sub him fairly quickly.

by Bigperm on Feb 13, 2009 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I think he would beat him, but I don’t think it is a lock.
Last time Jay Hieron lost by a submission was never in 21 fights.

Shields would maybe have to beat him with his striking perhaps?

by MMASuPreMaCy on Feb 13, 2009 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

There’s always a first. He’s gonna have to win by UD then because he ain’t knocking Hieron out from what I haveseen of his stand up.

by Bigperm on Feb 13, 2009 4:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly, which is not a lock since Jay trains at Extreme Couture and has excellent cardio and has better striking than Shields.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Feb 13, 2009 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Hieron is much better on the ground with the wrestling background…but I agree that if Shields can’t beat Hieron. He should stay where he is.

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by Kelvin Hunt on Feb 13, 2009 3:45 PM EST reply actions  

People forget that Jay has never been subbed.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Feb 13, 2009 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Has he ever really been tested by somebody on the ground? Outside Delson Heleno, I can’t really think of anybody.

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by Rundownloser on Feb 13, 2009 6:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

I’m confident that Shields would finish him if he can shoot or pull guard.

by Blackout612 on Feb 13, 2009 7:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Like GSP, Healy, Heleno, Goulet, Ellenberger. Chris Wilson, Mark Miller, or Jason High?
Thats some pretty good competition to never be submitted.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Feb 13, 2009 7:58 PM EST up reply actions  

None of them are guys that are geared towards getting subs. It’s certainly good competition, but it doesn’t say much for his ability to defend submissions, certainly not of the caliber that Shields would throw his way.

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Feb 13, 2009 9:02 PM EST up reply actions  

it appears that Coker is already trying to set up a Sheilds vs Hieron bout for the May event, which is probably one of the better WW matches outside of the UFC.

Well, sure. But that’s by default, really.

Aside from a potential Aoki v. Mach rematch, the world doesn’t have a lot to offer at Welterweight against the UFC.

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by Brett Jones on Feb 13, 2009 4:17 PM EST reply actions  

Shields already challenged Aoki at WW (perfect timing) and another classic would be against Mach.
Hieron is a really good test in my opinion, and Daley, Thompson, and Alessio could always earn a rematch.

I agree though, more talent must come from this division, and the Sengoku and DREAM WW GPs may be the place to find them.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Feb 13, 2009 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Huzzah for best of the rest.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Feb 13, 2009 6:33 PM EST up reply actions  

It’d still IMO be a step back for him to fight in Strikeforce and fight Hieron rather than make a jump to the UFC.

I’ve eaten dinner with Jay and think he’s a great person, but don’t see him walking away with a victory against Shields.

by Randomus on Feb 13, 2009 4:19 PM EST reply actions  

I dont know. Hieron has a good ground game as a wrestler and has never been submitted, and arguably has a better stand up game than Shields, so I think it would be a good match.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Feb 13, 2009 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

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