Bloody Elbow February MMA Meta-Rankings: Middleweight
| Fighter | % | Promotion | Last Rank |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1. Anderson Silva | 100 |
UFC | 1 |
| 2. Yushin Okami | 87 |
UFC | 2 |
| 3. Robbie Lawler | 82 |
Strikeforce |
3 |
| 4. Gegard Mousasi | 81 |
DREAM |
6 |
| 5. Nathan Marquardt | 79 |
UFC | 5 |
| 6. Dan Henderson | 75 |
UFC | 4 |
| 7. Jorge Santiago | 73 |
WVR/Strikeforce | 9 |
| 8. Demian Maia | 51 |
UFC | 16 |
| 9. Rich Franklin | 51 |
UFC | 8 |
| 10. Thales Leites | 41 |
UFC |
10 |
| 11. Paulo Filho | 39 | Bellator |
11 |
| 12. Chael Sonnen | 38 |
UFC | 13 |
| 13. Yoshihiro Akiyama | 38 |
Unsigned | 14 |
| 14. Michael Bisping | 35 |
UFC | 12 |
| 15. Kazuo Misaki | 35 |
WVR/Strikeforce | 15 |
| 16. Vitor Belfort | 33 | Affliction |
26 |
| 17. Frank Trigg | 30 | WVR/Strikeforce | 17 |
| 18. Ronaldo Souza | 21 | DREAM |
19 |
| 19. Patrick Cote | 19 | UFC | 18 |
| 20. Matt Lindland | 18 |
Affliction | 7 |
| 21. Dan Miller | 16 |
UFC | 27 |
| 22. Melvin Manhoef | 15 |
K-1 |
24 |
| 23. Wilson Gouveia | 15 |
UFC | 22 |
| 24. Cung Le | 14 |
Strikeforce | 23 |
| 25. Alan Belcher | 13 |
UFC | NR |
Commentary by Kid Nate: The middleweight division remains a bit of a muddle despite #1 Anderson Silva being one of the most dominant champions of our era.
His next title defense against #10 Thales Leites had been scheduled for April 18 in Montreal, Quebec, Canada but now it looks like the athletic commission there is bolluxing up the deal and it might be relocated or cancelled.
This is just the latest in a long series of set backs for Anderson Silva -- there's been retirement talk, a toe dip into the waters at 205lbs, top contenders he won't fight, a persistent failure to be a big draw, freak injuries, etc etc.
I'm still hoping that Anderson, one of the most skilled marital artists I've ever seen and one of the coolest people in the sport, will be able to have the kind of epic fights that will establish him as the legend he has the potential to be. He reminds me of Tony Gwynn the baseball player who persistently flirted with hitting .400 but never got close to a world title.
The other big news for the division is the implications of the Strikeforce purchase of EliteXC's assets. This means that EliteXC champ #3 Robbie Lawler could be back on Showtime and CBS soon and I expect him to face the very tough Benji Radach first. After that he (or Radach) could potentially be facing top notch contenders like #7 Jorge Santiago, #13 Yoshihiro Akiyama, #15 Kazuo Misaki, #17 Frank Trigg and #24 Cung Le. Can I just drool for a minute at the possibilities....
Ok, I'm back. In the UFC we've got #8 Demian Maia facing #12 Chael Sonnen at this Saturday's UFC 95 in England. This could quite easily be a #1 contender fight for the UFC and if Maia can get past a powerful wrestler like Sonnen, he'll have made a strong case for a title shot and could be a very dangerous threat to Silva. Not bad for one of the more one dimensional fighters to contend in recent years. In Maia's case, BJJ alone is still a deadly threat to any opponent. #5 Nate Marquardt will face #23 Wilson Gouveia on the same card.
#6 Dan Henderson and #14 Michael Bisping will be coaches on the next season of TUF and will face each other after the season, with the winner likely to get a title shot.
#4 Gegard Mousasi has really risen in a delayed reaction to his DREAM GP tournament win last year. Naturally he's talking about moving up to light heavyweight for his next bout. That would basically mean that the 2008 DREAM GP did nothing to establish order in the middleweight division.
No word on what's next for the Affliction posse of #16 Vitor Belfort and #20 Matt Lindland but I'm guessing that Lindland's next fight will pay a good deal less than $300,000. I still would love to see him on Strikeforce or at Sengoku. He's always had a knack for getting himself KO'd in embarrassing ways, doesn't mean he's not good. Belfort is in excellent shape career-wise and I was hoping to hear he'd signed with the UFC instead we got the news that he is calling out Fedor....like I've said, the "old" Vitor really is back!
UPDATE: BE reader Sulky notes that the standing of #9 Rich Franklin and #6 Dan Henderson in the greater MMA community (which is what the Meta rankings attempt to document, not who's better) is actually higher than seen here. Both fighters suffer from being ranked by some sites as middleweights and by other sites as light heavies. Franklin is apparently remaining at 205lbs so expect him to slowly slide off this list.
NOTE: The Meta-Rankings are not the subjective opinion of the BloodyElbow team, but rather a compilation of the rankings of over twenty leading MMA web sites. It is our opinion that these are the most informative MMA rankings anywhere.
Based on the premise that opinions are like assholes, everybody has one and they all stink. instead of putting up our own subjective fighter rankings, we compile and average the rankings of every source we could find online.
The goal is to show how the MMA community rates the fighters, not to bore you with our opinions.
Be sure and look at the percentage of possible points, they're a much more telling number than the ranking.
A total of 44 fighters were ranked in the top 25 by one source or another, for reasons of sanity I only track the top 25 most highly rated fighters.
25 points are awarded for a first place ranking, 16 for a 10th place ranking, 1 for a 25th place ranking. A formula is used to "normalize" the data so all fighters are awarded points from those lists that do not include a full 25 fighters. Fuller explanation below.
Rankings were compiled from the following 17 sites: 411 Mania, Cage Potato, Fight Matrix, Fight Magazine, Five Ounces of Pain, Inside MMA, MMA 4 Real, MMA ELO, MMA Fighting, MMA on Tap, MMA Playground, MMA Rocks, MMA Weekly, Sherdog, TAGG Radio, Total MMA & WAMMA.
The normalization scheme as explained by JCS of FightMatrix is here:
The "normalization number" (new name) would be:
120
divided by
(Total Fighters Found in Any List minus 10)Every fighter found somewhere else, but on a Top 10 list would be assigned this number.
The "normalization" number would not apply to a fighter not found on a Top 25 list. They would simply get 0.
So the process would be:
Do all of the Top 25 lists first, #1 = 25, #2 = 24…. #24 = 2, #25 = 1
Do all of the Top 10 lists, same scoring structure.. stops at #10 = 16Figure out that normalization variable.
Fill in the normalization variable to all fighters not found in the Top 10 lists, but found elsewhere.
Do your totals and rank.
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When did Akiyama sign with Strikeforce or WVR? I thought he was still a free agent.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Feb 13, 2009 1:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
also newsworthy ranking wise, is moussai moving up in weight.
by dbcb on Feb 13, 2009 1:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
this is true
I should’ve mentioned that.
"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"
by Kid Nate on Feb 13, 2009 7:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
wrong wrong worng
This ranking system is way off. Last i checked, franklin beat okami. i dont know who did this and i think bloodyelbow is the best site for this stuff, but wow is this wrong. this need to be re-evaluated with someone that knows what theyre talking about. Seriously, Robiie Lawler, the guy that got booted from the UFC is number three? id like to see him fight melvin manhouf. Manhouf would knock him out in 1 minute. Honestly, i love all your stuff, but you really missed the boat on this one.
by sulky on Feb 13, 2009 1:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
learn to read the disclaimer
jesus christ
BE has nothing to do with the rankings. its EVERYONEs rankings basically averaged out ina coomplicated way
by dbcb on Feb 13, 2009 1:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Based on the premise that opinions are like assholes, everybody has one and they all stink. instead of putting up our own subjective fighter rankings, we compile and average the rankings of every source we could find online.
The goal is to show how the MMA community rates the fighters, not to bore you with our opinions.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Feb 13, 2009 1:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hey Sulky
in addition to the comments above the thing to keep in mind is that Franklin is ranked by more than half our sources as a light heavyweight.
If he remains in the 205 division he’ll eventually slide off these rankings entirely.
You are on to something though, almost every site that ranks Franklin and Henderson as middleweights ranks them higher than we do — this is the first structural flaw I’ve seen in the Meta-rankings process.
"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"
by Kid Nate on Feb 13, 2009 2:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
rankings are rankings and really mean nothing but everyone mentions the “boost” in rankings from people in the ufc…
but I think lawler and mousai are getting a boost due to ufc hate.
They have a combined 2 wins against anyone in this top 25… the one dimensional Manhoef (22) and Trig (17)
by dbcb on Feb 13, 2009 1:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It is really a big fish little pond argument. You can’t tell how great a fighter is comparitivly speaking unless you have some point of reference. Mousasi could be great or he could be average and only beating lesser guys. There is no way to say. You could be compairing him to very small fish. Maybe he stacks up v the talent in the UFC, but without cross over it is hard to make a guess.
In Mousasi’s case, he foguht 2 guys that are in the UFC and is 1-1 versus them. He lost to Gono some time ago and Gono is a quality fighter, but only 1-2 in the UFC and at WW no less. He beat Kang who had a disapointing loss versus a middle of the road MW (but improving) in Blecher. So in summary, I tend to think Mousasi is over rated, but it is hard to say.
These kinds of big fish small pond arguments go both ways, but I tend to find that the UFC comes out on top when trying to extrapolate where the depth of talent is.
by szucconi on Feb 13, 2009 3:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
sure
but 3 or 4 years ago the dynamic was very different. PRIDE had the best divisions.
"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"
by Kid Nate on Feb 13, 2009 4:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well things change over time, but three or four years ago we didn’t have the data that we have now. A lot of those Pride guys came over and had limited success, but it was a mixed bag to be sure. You can blame steroids or aging or the fracture of Chute Boxe or just plain hype, but a lot of those world beaters from Pride are shells of there former selves. The fact is that it was as hard then to compair as it is now, no matter who comes out on top.
by szucconi on Feb 13, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
sure
but FWIW from 2000-2005 PRIDE had the best divisions in MMA. That’s history that can’t be changed. Steroids didn’t land a flying heel hook on Anderson Silva.
"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"
by Kid Nate on Feb 13, 2009 4:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure
possible, but not provable. FWIW your name is Kid Nate, but you are not a kid and I am starting to doubt that you are a Nate.
by szucconi on Feb 13, 2009 4:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that’s pretty metaphysical.
"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"
by Kid Nate on Feb 13, 2009 5:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Steroids did, but it was overturned. Steroids was busted for painkillers.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Feb 13, 2009 6:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, when is my beloved Melvin Manhoef going to fight a top 10 guy so he can destroy someone’s hopes and dreams…
MMAWeekly article was pointing out that Coker would like to use Manhoef as an opponent against Robbie Lawler, and to be perfectly EXCITING… Manhoef always has a shot against anyone, in reality.
Editor-in-chief of MMA-Analyst.com
by Leland Roling on Feb 13, 2009 2:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Last I saw, Manhoef had his neck strangled by Gegard and talked retirement. That guy?
by Bigperm on Feb 13, 2009 2:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, the guy that knocked Mark Hunt out on one day’s notice. Melvin is by no means a complete fighter, but he’s a ball of excitement. Put that guy on a UFC Fight Night card against someone like Chris Leben and he’ll be talked about for days, even weeks.
He’s one of those stylistic fighters in which you wouldn’t want to push him to the top of the division. He’s a wrecking ball of fury with his hands, and he’s a potential casual fan draw if he had the right exposure, but you’re right. He gets sub’d fairly easily due to his lacking ground game.
Editor-in-chief of MMA-Analyst.com
by Leland Roling on Feb 13, 2009 2:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He’s an amazing striker – but you wanna talk about roid rumors…
by subo on Feb 13, 2009 2:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Yeah, I wouldn’t be surprised, to be perfectly honest. The guy is a freak of nature.
Editor-in-chief of MMA-Analyst.com
by Leland Roling on Feb 13, 2009 3:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Houston Alexander?
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Feb 13, 2009 4:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn’t put Houston in the same discussion. Melvin’s kickboxing background is still worlds above Houston, and Melvin is a very dangerous striker. Houston has that ability, but he also has the ability to be completely KO’d.
Melvin is a bit tougher than that. Watching him over the years, the guy has taken some brutal punishment in K-1 from some of the best in the world. The drubbing he took from Remy Bonjasky was unreal, yet he kept getting up and finished the fight standing.
Editor-in-chief of MMA-Analyst.com
by Leland Roling on Feb 16, 2009 3:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I still think it is hilarious his best win is by being knocked the fuck out =D
No bashing, just think that is funny.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Feb 13, 2009 4:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Shhh
Nobody tell Sonnen he’s still ranked below Paulo.
PS, has Filho actually signed with Bellator, or is that just expected?
by subo on Feb 13, 2009 2:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Kid Nate
If the sytem is ranking henderson and franklin lower because of the light heavyweight fight recently, then that makes more sense. I still feel that hendo and franklin are the best two outside of Silva, who by the way, will run through Leites. I appreciate your response and i didnt want to come off as an asshole. I just couldnt believe it as a true Middle weight ranking. Thanks for the clarification. Your site is GREAT!
by sulky on Feb 13, 2009 3:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
thanks man!
you made a good point and Richard had pointed that out to me and I meant to cover it.
"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"
by Kid Nate on Feb 13, 2009 3:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m sorry but how the hell is Lawler 3rd. His only big win in the past 3-4 years has been Ninja and that’s not even that big of a win.
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by Gogoplatapus on Feb 13, 2009 3:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
this comes up literally every month. I think there are a few factors involved:
1) Lawler ’s win over Trigg was big at the time — Trigg was coming off wins over Mayham and Misaki when they were much more highly regarded (Mayhem had just beaten Lawler in fact)
2) His exposure as EliteXC champ
3) His popularity from his UFC days.
Keep in mind that Lawler has basically been holding that position since before Anderson Silva emerged as the top middleweight. Back in the day Matt Lindland was often considered #1, Denis Kang was right up there, Rich Franklin was rising but not as respected as he is now(Ironically). Lawler is fortunate in not having lost since.
"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"
by Kid Nate on Feb 13, 2009 3:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
All this is true except for Lawler ‘holding that position since before Anderson Silva emerged as the top middleweight.’ I can’t recall anyone ranking Robbie Lawler in their MW top tens until he put the stamp on Trigg. If they were, I’d question their sanity because before then his biggest win at MW was over a declining Falaniko Vitale.
by ilostmydog on Feb 13, 2009 6:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
good point
Robbie beat Trigg in 2007, Silva took the title in 2006. Ah memory, how I miss thee.
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by Kid Nate on Feb 13, 2009 8:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sonnen dominates Filho and is ranked beneath him, too goofy for words.
by Lynchman on Feb 16, 2009 8:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

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