Bloody Elbow February MMA Meta-Rankings: Heavyweight
| Fighter | % | Promotion | Last Rank |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1. Fedor Emelianenko | 100 | Affliction/M-1 | 1 |
| 2. Josh Barnett | 92 | Affliction/WVR | 3 |
| 3. Andrei Arlovski | 91 | Affliction | 2 |
| 4. Frank Mir | 89 | UFC | 5 |
| 5. Antonio Rodrigo Noguiera | 84 | UFC | 4 |
| 6. Brock Lesnar | 76 | UFC | 6 |
| 7. Randy Couture | 75 | UFC | 7 |
| 8. Tim Sylvia | 67 | Affliction/Adrenaline | 8 |
| 9. Gabriel Gonzaga | 55 | UFC | 9 |
| 10. Alistair Overeem | 51 | DREAM | 10 |
| 11. Fabricio Werdum | 44 | Unsigned | 11 |
| 12. Ben Rothwell | 33 | Affliction/Adrenaline |
12 |
| 13. Mirko Filipovic | 29 | DREAM | 14 |
| 14. Junior dos Santos | 26 | UFC |
17 |
| 15. Antonio Silva | 24 | WVR |
18 |
| 16. Aleksander Emelianenko | 24 | M-1 | 15 |
| 17. Sergei Kharitonov | 24 | DREAM | 16 |
| 18. Cheick Kongo | 23 | UFC | 13 |
| 19. Roy Nelson | 22 | Affliction | 20 |
| 20. Jeff Monson | 20 | Freelance | 22 |
| 21. Cain Velasquez | 18 | UFC |
19 |
| 22. Paul Buentello | 17 | Affliction |
27 |
| 23. Heath Herring | 16 | UFC | 21 |
| 24. Shane Carwin | 14 | UFC |
26 |
| 25. Pedro Rizzo | 14 | Affliction | 25 |
Commentary by Kid Nate: Another month, another exciting installment of the Bloody Elbow Meta Rankings.
Fedor Emelianenko remains the undisputed #1 in every ranking we surveyed after his first round KO of #3 Andrei Arlovski at the second Affliction event. #2 Josh Barnett is likely to be Fedor's next opponent if there is another Affliction event or some sort of cross-promotion deal is worked out. Cross your fingers but don't hold your breath.
The rest of the top ten seems to have finally sorted itself out after the mammoth upsets at UFC 91 and 92. #4 Frank Mir and #5 Antonio Rodrigo Noguiera have settled as a block just a notch above #6 Brock Lesnar and #7 Randy Couture. Mir and Lesnar will both enter the Octagon at UFC 98 in April with championship belts. The winner will have made a definitive case for himself as the best in the UFC and a clear #2 heavyweight in the world.
#8 Tim Sylvia is on a sad road to utter irrelevance with a rumored matchup against former has-been boxer turned MMA novelty attraction Ray Mercer. I really have a hard time envisioning a return to contention in a serious promotion for Sylvia.
#9 Gabriel Gonzaga will face #24 Shane Carwin at UFC 96 in a match expected to send the winner on the road to title contention. The big question in my mind, is who would the winner fight before getting a title shot? Where are #14 Junior Dos Santos, #18 Cheick Kongo, #21 Cain Velasquez .and #23 Heath Herring in Joe Silva's plans?
The other big question is where will #10 Alistair Overeem land? He was seen hanging with Dana White at UFC 93 and is in hot demand with only a couple of fights left on his contract with DREAM. He would be very useful to the UFC in their attempts to expand into Europe. He is also the Strikeforce Heavyweight champion and its possible that Scott Coker and company will be able to lure him back to fight for them.
NOTE: The Meta-Rankings are not the subjective opinion of the BloodyElbow team, but rather a compilation of the rankings of over twenty leading MMA web sites. It is our opinion that these are the most informative MMA rankings anywhere.
Based on the premise that opinions are like assholes, everybody has one and they all stink. instead of putting up our own subjective fighter rankings, we compile and average the rankings of every source we could find online.
The goal is to show how the MMA community rates the fighters, not to bore you with our opinions.
Be sure and look at the percentage of possible points, they're a much more telling number than the ranking.
A total of 39 fighters were ranked in the top 25 by one source or another, for reasons of sanity I only track the top 25 most highly rated fighters.
25 points are awarded for a first place ranking, 16 for a 10th place ranking, 1 for a 25th place ranking. A formula is used to "normalize" the data so all fighters are awarded points from those lists that do not include a full 25 fighters. Fuller explanation below.
Rankings were compiled from 16 following sites: Cage Potato, Fight Matrix, Fight Magazine, Five Ounces of Pain, Inside MMA, MMA 4 Real, MMA ELO, MMA Fighting, MMA on Tap, MMA Playground, MMA Rocks, MMA Weekly, Sherdog, TAGG Radio, Total MMA & WAMMA.
The normalization scheme as explained by JCS of FightMatrix is here:
The "normalization number" (new name) would be:
120
divided by
(Total Fighters Found in Any List minus 10)Every fighter found somewhere else, but on a Top 10 list would be assigned this number.
The "normalization" number would not apply to a fighter not found on a Top 25 list. They would simply get 0.
So the process would be:
Do all of the Top 25 lists first, #1 = 25, #2 = 24…. #24 = 2, #25 = 1
Do all of the Top 10 lists, same scoring structure.. stops at #10 = 16Figure out that normalization variable.
Fill in the normalization variable to all fighters not found in the Top 10 lists, but found elsewhere.
Do your totals and rank.
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Not sure why comments were closed, but its fixed now.
by Luke Thomas on Feb 11, 2009 11:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
TAGG Radio .974
Sherdog .966
MMA on Tap .964
WAMMA .964
Cage Potato .959
MMA Rocks .951
Inside MMA .923
MMA Playground .903
Five Ounces of Pain .891
Fight Matrix .874
Fight Magazine .863
Total MMA .833
MMA ELO .833
MMA Weekly .832
MMA Fighting .789
MMA 4 Real .750
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by Richard Wade on Feb 11, 2009 11:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'm guessing its some kind of
accuracy variable when compared to the cumulative results.
by JCS_FM on Feb 11, 2009 11:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Which probably benefits
Those who limit to Top 10, and “Trend setters” like Sherdog.. but I could be mistaken :)
by JCS_FM on Feb 11, 2009 11:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was so sure I had written what it was in the heading of my comment. Oops. Correlation with Meta-Rankings.
It’s not better to have a higher number. I just thought it was interesting.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Feb 11, 2009 11:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting Note
At LHW, TAGG Radio has the lowest correlation with the Meta-Rankings and MMA 4 Real has the highest.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Feb 12, 2009 12:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why did Kongo fall 5 spots? It’s not like Cro Cop or Dos Santos had some great wins that should move them ahead of Kongo, and if I remember correctly he destroyed the last guy he fought back in December.
by ufc4 on Feb 11, 2009 11:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
CC is still riding off his past performances, though he should be farther down. Dos Santos has a spectacular KO over a Top-10 HW, but Kongo hasn’t performed well against tougher competition (and has a tendency to sterilize his opponents, but I digress).
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by themachiavellian on Feb 12, 2009 1:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Without bothering to look and see who jumped ahead of him, I’m going to go ahead and guess that perhaps he was ranked highly by some of the sites that haven’t updated recently enough to qualify.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Feb 12, 2009 1:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah. That looks like the issue. 411 Mania, MMA Blog and Inside Fighting all had him at #10 in January, but missed the cut for February.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Feb 12, 2009 1:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I kinda figured it had to be something like that because his performance hasn’t warranted the drop. Time to match him up with a legit opponent and see if he has actually improved or if he just looks good fighting cans cuz he has great standup.
by ufc4 on Feb 12, 2009 1:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
considering he lost to herring
he just looks good fighting cans and kneeing Crocops junk
Gimme 1 Round!
by skwirrl on Feb 12, 2009 2:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I am really looking forward to the match-up between Gonzaga and Carwin, and see who will rise in the ranks.
by bigislandboi808 on Feb 11, 2009 11:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I wonder how Sylvia-Mercer could affect the top ten.
by subo on Feb 12, 2009 1:07 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
If Mercer somehow wins, he would have defeated a Top-10 HW in his professional debut. In his amateur fight, he lost to Kimbo via guillotine choke, so if the guy a street brawler submitted defeats a former world champion in his first fight, my head will explode.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by themachiavellian on Feb 12, 2009 1:14 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Then you will remember it is Tim Sylvia and this is the heavyweight division.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Feb 12, 2009 1:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Even though Sylvia sucks on the ground
He knows enough on how to tie up this other guy to prevent being finished unless he gets knocked cold like AA did against Fedor
Gimme 1 Round!
by skwirrl on Feb 12, 2009 2:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL@ me saying this other guy
Wow… I completely forgot Ray Mercer fought Kimbo. I hadn’t heard this rumor yet. Even Sylvia can sub Mercer. I would laugh if Mercer KO’d him cold. Which he always has a punchers chance.
Gimme 1 Round!
by skwirrl on Feb 12, 2009 2:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ive been harping on this and I will say it again…
Arlovski’s best win was against Sylvia to whom he subsequently then lost twice to…
How the fuck is he #2?
Now I know everyone loses (except Fedor) and all the top guys lose… But when the top guys have lost they came back and beat opponents who were as good or better than the guy he lost to…
Arlovski beat Sylvia 3 years ago and then he lost to him twice… he has yet to come back and beat any fighter that’s as good or better than sylvia.
by mmalogic on Feb 12, 2009 1:24 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
He also hasn’t lost to anyone in 4-5 years besides Tim Sylvia and now Fedor via brain fart. His competition hasn’t always been top level he’s soundly KO ranked fighters . . . and even your employer Dana still loves him.
by bignerd on Feb 12, 2009 2:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Werdum was a decent comeback win. He was ranked pretty high coming from Pride. UFC was never going to give Arlovski a shot against Couture seeing the business coming in the door and knowing what the smaller Liddell did to him . . . I think they also might be friends.
I can see case for Arlovski at #3 but I didn’t think he would stay there after the loss to Fedor. Maybe people thought well of his performance. Koscheck has been crushed a few times via wrestling and he is still at the top of the WW rankings.
by bignerd on Feb 12, 2009 2:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Conversely, look at how bad Sylvia’s looked lately – he leaned on Vera for 15 minutes, jabbed Nog for 10 minutes before being submitted, and was Zulu’d by Fedor. He’s looked slow and plodding, fighting conservatively so he won’t lose. Arlovski KOed Rothwell, battered Nelson (albeit with a questionable stand-up), and outboxed Fedor, even winning until he got careless. If there’s a AA/Tim 4, who would you predict winning?
I still maintain nobody won AA/Tim 3 – everyone lost that fight – even the fans.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by themachiavellian on Feb 12, 2009 2:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I still maintain nobody won AA/Tim 3 – everyone lost that fight – even the fans.
I could not agree more. I have always blamed Tim Sylvia for awful 3rd fight. Andrei busted his knee somewhere in the 1st round. Sylvia sat back the entire 5 rounds instead of going in for the kill. Wining by decision is bad enough but never making an attempt to finish a hurt opponent is inexcusable.
by bignerd on Feb 12, 2009 2:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t mind a decision win so long as the fight is good – but if it’s a decision because the fighter is too timid (Sylvia) or doesn’t know how to finish (LnP), then I’m pissed. Karo/Diego – Fedor/CC – Shogun/Nog – excellent fights, just no finish and fine by me.
Watch Tim against Ricco, or Tra, or Gan, or 2nd fight with AA – what happened to the KO guy of yore?
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by themachiavellian on Feb 12, 2009 2:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I have to agree Arlovski should not be ranked top 4 much less 2
Interesting list though so thanks.
"You Went Full Retard, Man - Never Go Full Retard." --Kirk Lazarus
by Ovale Fan on Feb 12, 2009 3:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He’s not #2. He’s #3. I think that’s too high, too.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
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by Richard Wade on Feb 12, 2009 9:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s been two and a half years since Barnett has beaten a top 10 opponent and Arlovski just got KTFO, so why is Mir below both of those guys? Mir should be number two.
by Zack Gobie on Feb 12, 2009 1:46 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Mir is still making up for stinking for 2 years. #4 isn’t bad, he could be #2 here shortly.
by bignerd on Feb 12, 2009 2:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Because Mir's best win is a guy that looked like absolute shit and his second was against a guy that was 1-1 at the time
Sylvia pre-motorcycle accident is a nice thought but doesn’t mean shit. Mir looked like shit against 3 cans then fought Lesner and got mauled till he caught a noob in a kneebar. He looked good against Nog but that was more because Nog looked bad.
AA has looked great in every fight since Werdum, (who would beat Mir), and Sylvia hasn’t really had a chance to show anybody how he is since he’s now had a full 18 months to recover from his back surgery. I’m not expecting anything amazing but he looked good against Nog, who had yet to hit the full speed downward spiral that he was against Mir, until his crap groundgame caught up with him. Fedor was over before it began. I think Sylvia is a legit 6-8 top ten. If he can get a couple fights back under his belt put him against Werdum coming off a couple wins himself.
Gimme 1 Round!
by skwirrl on Feb 12, 2009 2:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
'He looked good against Nog but that was more because Nog looked bad.'
This is always hard/impossible to say until you see both fighters in subsequent fights.
It might be because Nog looked bad, or it could be that Mir MADE him look bad. You can never tell and it can only be understood once both a fought a couple more times after their fight.
by Razreshat on Feb 12, 2009 10:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No... Look at Nogs PREVIOUS FIGHTS
Once you’re shot you don’t just magically get it back. Nog’s movement was more than likely hampered by the Staph infection recovery. But he had no head movement and no reaction time and NO CHIN. That happens when your career is about at an end. Mir fought a guy that’s now so old in fighters years its ludicrous. Maybe Nog can squeek by for a few more fights against Cans and old ass Randy Couture if his knee heals right and he can move again, but with his chin gone he’s about done for with his style and should probably just fight Couture and retire for good. Performing like that against Couture he’ll make Randy look like a Fedor beater lol
Gimme 1 Round!
by skwirrl on Feb 12, 2009 12:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Arlovski is still getting points
for having fought Fedor fairly well. You see this pattern with a #1 challenger who loses — Jon Fitch hung on at #2 for a long while after GSP beat him. It was only when Alves emerged as the next challenger that he passed Fitch in most polls.
"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"
by Kid Nate on Feb 12, 2009 9:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Good point, but
the performances of Arlovski and Fitch against champions defending their titles are worlds apart.
by Razreshat on Feb 12, 2009 10:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah at one point Arlovski was dominating the fight
unlike Fitch who was on the defense for all but a tiny fraction of the fight.
"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"
by Kid Nate on Feb 12, 2009 10:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
True, but
I still think surviving 5 rounds with GSP is a hell of alot big accomplishment than doing well boxing against Fedor for 3 minutes. Especially considering Fedor’s history of looking bad just before ending the fight.
by Razreshat on Feb 12, 2009 10:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why?
Because an overrated LW only hung 4 rounds with him? (The second time, the first time he did make a decision) GSP is not an incredible finisher. He’s an amazing fighter but he’s not a killer in the ring. Kos hung with him for 3 rounds, Fitch hung with him for 5 and overrated ass Penn would have gone to decision for the second time if he had any heart. Hell, Mayhem went to decision with Greasy St. Pierre.
Gimme 1 Round!
by skwirrl on Feb 12, 2009 12:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
GSP's record:
18 wins
8 by knockout
5 by submission
5 by decision
Sure, not a finisher.
by Razreshat on Feb 12, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Of his bigname fights
With quality opponents (this means Matt Serra’s garbage ass isn’t included)
2 finishes against Hughes…
1 against Sean Sherk
1 against Jay Heiron
1 against Trigg
BJ quitting while perfectly able to continue doesn’t count either way
Thats 4 big name dudes with 5 fights he’s finished
He took
BJ the first time to decision
Miller to decision
Koscheck to decision
Fitch to decision
Karo Parsnippyan to decision he’s 50% at finishing top level competition
Gimme 1 Round!
by skwirrl on Feb 12, 2009 2:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Lets use Faber as an example of a finisher
22W
7TKOs
11Subs
3 Decisions (2 of which were in his first 5 fights)
FINISHER
Gimme 1 Round!
by skwirrl on Feb 12, 2009 2:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Now lets use Fedor
29 W
7TKO
15Submissions
7decisions (3 coming in his rings fights)
FINISHER
taking the fight to a dominant champion and finisher is more impressive than lasting against a guy who has a tendancy to take upper level competition to decision
Gimme 1 Round!
by skwirrl on Feb 12, 2009 2:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Now do 6 degrees of separation
Faber to Fedor – GO
Gimme 1 Round!
by skwirrl on Feb 12, 2009 2:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
7, someone can probably do 6
Faber fought Griffin who fought Sherk who fought GSP who fought Frank Trigg who fought Ninja Rua who fought Kevin Randleman who fought Fedor
by starvin on Feb 12, 2009 3:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Finish Percentages:
GSP = 72%
Faber = 81%
Fedor = 75%
I’d say he compares pretty favorably with those numbers. Regardless of “when” the decisions came in the career. And you can’t say the Penn stoppage doesn’t count. If you put a guy in a position where he can’t or doesn’t continue you stopped him…that is kind of the definition of finishing someone.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 12, 2009 6:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t really see how bj not coming out for the 5th round doesn’t count… don’t really see how serra doesn’t count either… i think you are picking and choosing to prove a point…
you can do the same with fedor…
finished…
aa, sylvia, coleman (2x), herring, randleman
decisioned…
nog (2x), crocop, schilt
6/10 is 60%… in a very weak division
by dbcb on Feb 12, 2009 3:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know how the HW are any weaker of a division. Other than Pedro Rizzo, those are 25 quality, relevant fighters. Everyone one of those guys ranked 15-24 would pose a challenge to anyone ranked in the Top #5.
by bignerd on Feb 12, 2009 4:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
HW is easily the weakest division.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Feb 12, 2009 5:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's not really the reply I meant to make
yeah at one point Arlovski was dominating the fight unlike Fitch who was on the defense for all but a tiny fraction of the fight.
What I was originally trying to get at
I think Arlovski for having fought Fedor fairly well. You see this pattern with a #1 challenger who loses — Jon Fitch hung on at #2 for a long while after GSP beat him. It was only when Alves emerged as the next challenger that he passed Fitch in most polls.
The nature of MMA ratings is for there to be a hangover after a fighter rises to be the top contender and gets a title shot. He’ll slowly fade as the memory of his rise fades.
"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"
by Kid Nate on Feb 12, 2009 9:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Todd Duffee signs with UFC....
I see fiveouncesofpain.com is reporting this. Should be another good prospect in the UFC heavyweight divsion along the lines of Carwin, Velazquez and Dos Santos. I’ll give the UFC credit they are certainly trying to find and sign all the young talent for their heavyweight division. If they develop and can keep them all on the roster they should be pretty deep and talented in a couple years.
by Meers311 on Feb 12, 2009 11:28 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

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