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Lift the Ban Watch: South Carolina Makes Progress, Problems Arise in Canada

Details are scant, but one can hope this comes to fruition:

A bill allowing mixed martial arts contests in South Carolina is up for debate by lawmakers.
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The bill by Republican Rep. Jim Merrill of Daniel Island and co-sponsored by 24 other House members of both parties is on the agenda of a subcommittee Tuesday.

The measure would repeal South Carolina's ban on such fighting events. The idea died last year in a Senate panel.

A contest was held at the Marines' training facility at Parris Island in October. The state had no jurisdiction because it was on a military installation.

Parris Island is the East coast location of Marine Corps boot camp. As a former three month resident of the island, I can certainly say MMA and USMC values are birds of a feather flocking together. One can only hope this bill passes and South Carolinians (including Marines stationed near Beaufort) can take advantage of the new laws.

However, not all is well. There are problems afoot in Canada. Grant Nordman, a Winnipeg councilor, wants to ban MMA contests in the city after an 18-year old fighter collapsed and was rushed to the hospital after a three round fight. Nordman now "has instructed the city's Community Services Department to explore what measures Winnipeg could take to institute a ban on mixed martial arts events". Fortunately, it appears cooler heads might prevail:

Dr. Henry Janzen, chair of the Manitoba Boxing Commission, said mixed martial arts events were illegal in Manitoba until 2006. For the event to pass MBC standards, there must be a doctor and ambulance at every fight, and competitors must pass yearly medical exams.

"Prior to us making those approvals, the events still occurred all across Manitoba but there'd be no doctors there, there'd be no medicals, there'd be no ambulance. So these were occurring without any safety precautions for the combatant or even for the fans," Janzen said.

Another councillor, Dan Vandal, who is also a member of the Manitoba Boxing Commission, agreed it makes no sense to ban mixed martial arts, one of the fastest-growing sports in North America.

"If we, the government, ban mixed martial arts, it will just go underground, where there will be no doctors or paramedics.

"In a situation like that, the young gent on Friday night would be dead today," said Vandal, who boxed professionally before entering politics. According to DeNatale, there have been no Canadian deaths as a result of a regulated mixed martial arts fight. In November 2007, an American MMA fighter died in Texas after being knocked out during a fight.

I am loathe to drawing larger conclusions about this matter until I am able to learn more about the fighter, the specifics of his injury and watch the fight in question (however, I have to wonder whether an 18-year old fighter has sufficient experience to turn professional; I don't think age is necessarily a factor that is relevant, but the fighter's age did catch my attention. I also wonder whether there were sufficient screens in place to catch any medical conditions that would've prevented competition. The regulations of athletic commisions vary from state to state and city to city). Anyone who has information about this matter in that regard is encouraged to email me. Stay tuned.

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Isn't Parris Island where the first section of Full Metal Jacket takes place?
"If we, the government, ban mixed martial arts, it will just go underground, where there will be no doctors or paramedics.

I think this is the key point. People aren’t going to stop fighting just because the government says so. They will either travel to events, or host them illegally, where they can’t be supervised. There’s a thread on Sherdog that has pictures of the fight in discussion, such as:

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on Feb 10, 2009 9:04 PM EST reply actions  

Any idea on whether the referee ever had a doctor inspect the injury during the fight?

by Luke Thomas on Feb 10, 2009 9:06 PM EST up reply actions  

No idea.

The info I have is all second-hand from assorted websites, and I stumbled across the pics in the P&M threads. The worst injury was a shattered nose that leaked internally into his lungs, filling them with fluid, and I have no idea how easily that is spotted by someone untrained. Everything else was either superficial or cerebral, so the ref may not have thought there was a reason to stop it. Every article I’ve seen discusses the medical care immediately afterward, which was swift. I can’t say much else with certainty.

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on Feb 10, 2009 9:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I Take it Back - Found It!
Dr. Ed Pilat [the Manitoba Boxing Commission’s physician] inspected the badly bloodied Lewis after the second of three five-minute rounds but the lightweight was deemed healthy enough to continue. [Fighter Dean] Lewis’ trainer, Edmonton’s Kyle Cardinal, told [Coach Rodrigo] Munduruca that his fighter was coherent enough at that point to keep going.

Munduruca wasn’t ringside because he was preparing to fight later on in the card, but said he felt the bout should have been stopped after Round 2.

“When there’s that much blood, stop it,” he said. “There was so much blood.”

From The Winnipeg Sun

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on Feb 10, 2009 9:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Reminds me of Kim Couture’s split jaw.

I will play my game beneath the spin light.

by Eugene Schelfaut on Feb 11, 2009 12:00 AM EST up reply actions  

same here and she was fine

So much blood in that fight too!

Hard for anyone to say they shoulds stopped it, we’ve all seen some pretty bloody fights where fighters came out fine.

all you gotta do is...

by imapimp08 on Feb 11, 2009 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

I live in Winnipeg

and from everything i have heard mostly on the radio the fighter had five months of training/experience. I have also talked to a few people who were at the event and all said the fight should have been stopped by both the doctor and the ref during the fight.

by fanaddict on Feb 10, 2009 10:29 PM EST reply actions  

according to one of the articles

he’d been training since he was 15

Gimme 1 Round!

by skwirrl on Feb 11, 2009 3:49 AM EST up reply actions  

I was there watching Cage Fighting Championships

and I think the beaten fighter kept going to entertain the crowd. I’m sure they thought it was fight of the night. Lewis continued even after being pummeled in the standup, as Perez and Lewis traded shots continuously. Rodgrigo would’ve thrown in the towel if he weren’t preparing for his fight later that night.

by King_II on Feb 10, 2009 11:15 PM EST reply actions  

I wrote something about this yesterday for the Vancouver Sun.

An ugly incident, to be sure, but if anyone wants to avoid a repeat, punish the doctor, cornermen and ref, for failing to end it early.

Incidentally, if my info is correct, the kid’s cornerman wasn’t even present between rounds 2 and 3 because he was getting ready for his own fight. If that’s true, then you can throw in the promoter on the punishment list too, because nobody should be allowed to go out there without a corner crew. Ever.

Here’s my take: link

If you see Mark Coleman in person, drop $5 on the floor and watch the fun as he tries in vain to bend down and pick it up.

by Ozzz on Feb 11, 2009 12:09 PM EST reply actions  

Good stuff. Thanks.

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Feb 11, 2009 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

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