Antonio Margarito's CSAC Hearing Taking Place Today
by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 10, 2009 1:25 PM EST
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It's boxing news but still one of the biggest stories in the current combat sports landscape. We've covered the controversy a little bit here on BE and Scott over at BadLeftHook has done a great job as always on his site. Basically Margarito was caught with some sort of foreign substance in his hand wraps before his fight with Shane Mosley (which Mosley then won convincingly).
Things have already gotten off to a bit of an explosive start with the California State Attorney General saying that he thinks Margarito should receive the harshest penalty possible. Which would seem to indicate that they are pretty confident of Antonio's guilt. Adding to Maragarito's trouble is this nugget:
Inspector Che Guevara testified in three years and 150 hand wraps he had never seen such a pad.
"It was sweat-soaked, thinner and harder in certain areas, not hard as a rock, but firm and hard," Guevara said, adding it had a stain "like old blood" on it. "It was not flexible. It was very firm."
The stain part is especially damaging as it would prevent the possibility that they "didn't notice" if something had somehow found its way into the wrap as there would be no excuse for overlooking something a completely different color. A harder insert was found on his right hand after the wrap was taken off.
There probably won't be too many major developments in the story until Mid-March which is when state officials said they would know more about what the exact substance on the insert would be known.
But looking at the facts it is becoming quite clear that Margarito had to have known what was going on. Also hiring a big time lawyer for a state athletic commission hearing (very different from a criminal court trail) seems to hint to me that he knows he is guilty shows that he knows there is a shitstorm coming and is going to need to bring in some big guns.
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and yes...
the inspector’s name really is Che Guevara
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by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 10, 2009 1:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Do the Athletic commisions normally hold the hearings before they have all there tests in? I figured they would wait until the tests were completed and they had all the facts. If Margarito is guilty then i would imagine he’d get a lenghty ban if not a lifetime one.
by asmiley420 on Feb 10, 2009 1:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
If he’s guilty it’d be against all odds that he’d ever fight on American soil again.
"I was trying to rob him. And he took my gun from me. And the gun was full of blanks. And he shot a blank into my eye. And now I cannot see from this eye ever again, the doctors say."
"Well to be honest it sounds like it's all your fault."
by SC on Feb 10, 2009 2:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But he could still likely fight abroad?
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Feb 10, 2009 2:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He could, theoretically. I mean Luis Resto never fought again but then he actually went through with a 30-minute, plaster of Paris assault on Billy Collins. Margarito is also a much bigger deal than Resto ever got close to being.
Oscar Larios is currently on medical suspension in the States but he still fights regularly in Mexico and Japan. Edwin Valero was banned from fighting in the U.S. so he went to Japan and now he’s relicensed in Texas. But these are medical things, and Margarito’s isn’t, so who knows?
"I was trying to rob him. And he took my gun from me. And the gun was full of blanks. And he shot a blank into my eye. And now I cannot see from this eye ever again, the doctors say."
"Well to be honest it sounds like it's all your fault."
by SC on Feb 10, 2009 3:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
but what broad would want to fight him?
besides Cyborg, I mean.
by bobthewriter on Feb 10, 2009 4:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec’d because puns have their place damnit!
by Day Man on Feb 10, 2009 6:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Brent! Come on now, just because he hired a lawyer doens’t mean he’s guilty. I’d hire a lawyer for anything involving CSAC. I’m certainly not saying he’s innocent, but he’d be an idiot to go into that fire storm without good representation.
by StonedFighter on Feb 10, 2009 2:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
This is pretty much what I wanted to say. I hate it when people are presumed guilty because they were smart enough to hire a good attorney.
by FRANKIE on Feb 10, 2009 2:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
on the surface, you would have to be pretty ignorant to think this guy is innocent here.
by Bigperm on Feb 10, 2009 2:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I probably...
should have made it a bit more clear. It is not necessarily the “norm” to hire a lawyer of that reputation for an athletic commission hearing. Also, it has a bit to do with the “level” of lawyer he hired…it wasn’t a “make sure I have someone looking out for my ass” level move it seemed like more of an “oh shit” move to me.
He is guilty though…I mean…it’s pretty obvious
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by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 10, 2009 3:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Isn’t that the argument that they relied on in the OJ case?
“Seriously, your honour… He’s guilty. I mean it. C’mon!”
"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."
by AJB on Feb 10, 2009 3:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No, they clearly laid out all of the evidence including actual DNA match with blood on the scene. Unfortunately, the jury apparently had the IQ of a 1st grader so that evidence fell on deaf ears.
by Bigperm on Feb 10, 2009 4:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
“If the glove does not fit, you must acquit!”
"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."
by AJB on Feb 10, 2009 7:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It isn’t like Arum is a bad lawyer as well…
by Zocalo on Feb 10, 2009 5:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully his lawyer can help him “search for the real” cheater/plasterer.
by MonkeyCHops on Feb 10, 2009 4:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
IWhen he testifies for the last time, think the judge will call it his "Last Stand"
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Feb 10, 2009 2:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Dan Petrocelli is a partner at O’Melveny in LA…hiring him does not mean Margarito is guilty. If you had that much money you’d hire the best too when it’s all on the line.
by Michael Rome on Feb 10, 2009 2:50 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
No...
as I said above…I should have been a bit more clear that it isn’t the act of hiring a lawyer that I thought stood out. But regardless of the lawyer situation…i’d say his obvious guilt means he is guilty…
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by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 10, 2009 3:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
When you have money you have a lawyer. That is how it should work. Even for traffic tickets. Having one doesn’t speak to his guilt, the evidence does. If it is within his rights to have a lawyer then nothing should be infered beyond that. Thats not to say you can’t see the lawyer and think he is guilty because of it, but leagally it would be like saying, well the cops wouldn’t have arrested him if he wasn’t guilty. I know you are clearifing, I just wanted to state the whole point that everyone is making.
by szucconi on Feb 10, 2009 3:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You're right..
and it is a dumb point on my part. I just was obviously searching for even more reasons to string the guy up. Honestly it isn’t needed
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by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 10, 2009 5:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dan Rafael was on ESPNews
And essentially said that the Margarito defense is that he has no idea about his hand wraps (right) and that they essentially are looking to throw Javier Capetillo (his trainer) under the bus.
"I was trying to rob him. And he took my gun from me. And the gun was full of blanks. And he shot a blank into my eye. And now I cannot see from this eye ever again, the doctors say."
"Well to be honest it sounds like it's all your fault."
by SC on Feb 10, 2009 3:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Classy.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Feb 10, 2009 3:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Might not be classy but it might work. He kicks back some money to the trainer (who was going to go down anyway) and walks away clean. Its not a gimmie but its a solid shot.
by Day Man on Feb 10, 2009 3:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Complete and utter bullshit.
A fighter and trainer who have been doing 15 years should know what they are doing. I mean… he is right in front of him.
by Zocalo on Feb 10, 2009 5:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We stop Hector Lombard, but we allow Che fucking Guevara?
by subo on Feb 10, 2009 5:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
In my opinion they both should be banned.
by Zocalo on Feb 10, 2009 5:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
And the verdict is...
Both trainer and fighter lost their license in California for 1 year.
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
by BJJDenver on Feb 10, 2009 6:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
At least a year, they would have to apply for reinstatement which, given the circumstances, is not a given.
by Day Man on Feb 10, 2009 7:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
One year is cutesy talk for indefinite.
"I was trying to rob him. And he took my gun from me. And the gun was full of blanks. And he shot a blank into my eye. And now I cannot see from this eye ever again, the doctors say."
"Well to be honest it sounds like it's all your fault."
by SC on Feb 10, 2009 10:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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