Controversy: B.J. Penn Files Complaint That Georges St. Pierre Used Vaseline

So now we have the official excuse — The Vaseline Defense.

lol@Penn fans!

Ive gotta say thats a pretty weak complaint, especially considering it got wiped off. oh and is there any bigger drama queen than Zak Arnold?

After looking at that gif, i can tell GSP was thinking “Vaseline on my shoulders and back, just the competitive advantage i need to beat BJ Penn”.

I mean I know you want the hits but man fisrt the undercover UFC agent and now this, I find it very off putting.

by Smoogy

The vaseline had little, if anything, to do with the outcome. But this blatant disregard for the rules should be taken very seriously — a heavy fine and/or suspension is in line.

Basically everything that was coming from GSP’s camp was right on the money. Pretty sweet!

Anyway yeah about the vaseline I just watched the fight over since I DVR all the PPVs I buy and you can see where an official takes a towel and wipes GSPs back. To say the guy intentionally did it is pretty ridiculous.

BJ and his camp are just straight up sore losers.

needs to be careful putting this in the same world as the Margarito thing. It’s not even close to something that could KILL the guy you’re fighting. I know that wasn’t really the point he was going for..but you have to be really careful putting two things together like that.

BJ Penn got his ass kicked. The only thing this does is tarnish BJ’s reputation.

BJ Penn’s next complaint with the NSAC: GSP trained too hard, and that is a performance enhancer!

It’s understandable that fans of both fighters are heated right now, but there’s absolutely no need for grade school taunting, name calling, and especially racial slurs. Take a second before you hit “POST” and think, “is this something I’d say to a complete stranger in real life?”

If only you’d of been thinking BJ…have your corner rub the last little bit of leftover Mrs. Butterworths on ya!

… last I remember, everyone is innocent until proven guilty. GSP has shown that he’s a class act all his career. I doubt any of this was intentional on his part.

If the roles were reversed, you would want the same fair treatment, yeah? Of course you would. So let’s all be civil here and remember there is such a thing as due process.

Penn fans like to disregard the eye poke from the first fight, and now they are going to claim that the vasaline changed the whole fight. Ridicules

BJ Penn just becomes a bigger D-Bag with every time he opens his mouth, imo. As much as I can’t stand Kenny Florian, I’ll be vigorously hoping that Ken-Flo slices Penn open repeatedly with those razor elbows and dominates that fight.

It’s really sad that Penn felt that making this an issue would benefit him.

Intentional or not, it was removed before it would have any effect on the fight. The Penn camp is hoping to rally the fans and maybe piss in GSPs eye a little bit by maybe getting one of his cornermen fired over a trifle.

I know that BJ is gonna get a lotta heat, bc he did get the beating of his life.. but as a fighter he has the right to complain… The commission allowed the fight to continue after a moderate wiping with a towel… Vaseline does not get removed easilly by a towel (even tho it was a small amount)… also… it happened after the first round (which BJ defended in the clinch well, and stopped all 3 of GSP’s attempted takedowns)…

IMO GSP would have won regardless… it just looked to be his night, and I am a self professed BJ Fan… but when your corner sees the commission goin crazy outside of GSP’s corner, and you find out that GSP had grease after being unable to use your high guard, or rubber gaurd effectively after that incident, you might question what happened.

At what point of the fight would GSP having vaseline on his back have made any fucking difference at all?

Look, I am was a huge BJ fan until he showed up last night out of shape, again. He had an opportunity to acheive greatness and he chose not to take it seriously. Georges training and attitude are what it takes, not kickin’ it with Hilo scrubs.

Anyway, the vaseline matters, it matters because you can’t just wipe that shit away. You get vaseline on your skin and wiping a towel over it, doesn’t do shit. BJ attempting full high guard kept slipping down, Georges was able to pass easily past BJ’s legs right after BJ came in contact with his back.

Would BJ have won with his bullshit training regime? Probably not, but vaseline on the body is against the rules, for good reason. St. Pierre’s corner fucked up, and there should be repercussions.

If your gonna grease a guy your gonna use more then that little bit and yer probably gonna grease him behind the legs as opposed to the middle of his back. a lot you guys are grasping at straws. I don’t see Mike F in here bitching about it and he had to down a bottle of Maple Syrup.

Vaseline did not kick BJ’s ass for 4 rounds. The amount of vaseline that was inadvertantly rubbed onto GSP’s back did not have any effect on the fight.

he should get a written warning stating that any other slip ups would result in a suspension just like any other job.

Let’s do it again, if he enjoys his nose being elbowed through the back of his head so much. Three months. May. Sign it, BJ. Make it happen.

I can’t speak for others, but BJ could have defused this whole thing by saying, “Whatever vaseline GSP had on his back made no difference in the outcome of the fight. He was just the better man tonight.”

The fact that he didn’t, and instead filed a formal complaint, after the performance he put on in the cage between rounds, has lost me as a fan for him. He is a self-deluding narcissist. I hope Florian wears him out and takes his belt.

I think we found out who was really mentally weak during the fight, and in the hours following.

Wasn’t it between rounds one and two that Jackson told GSP to just kickbox for a full round?

First of all, the vaseline wasn’t there. It was wiped off. Which means it didn’t effect BJ’s rubber guard. No contest, c’mon! A purse penalty, sure. Second of all, that’s the last time I want to see Kru Phil Nurse in any MMA fighters corner. That’s exactly what you do at a Muay Thai fight, nobody told him there is grappling in MMA?

The lack of perspective or sense of proportion from some people around here is STUNNING. I mean STUNNING.

See, there’s this thing called “context”. Anyone who says “A RULE IS A RULE IS A RULE” is ignoring context, and since we ALL are influenced in a thousand ways every single day by our own contexts, they are also being hypocritical. Suck it up.

Was it an absolute deciding factor in the fight? I don’t think so. Was it GSP’s fault? No. At most it would have affected rubber guard.

But imagine yourself in BJ’s spot, after the fight you hear GSP had excess Vaseline on him, accidental or not you’d be pretty pissed off and would have every right to bring it up, so him and Rudy shouldn’t be copping shit for it and are justified for bringing attention to it.

And I don’t think that towel wipe would have got much off, that kind of wipe looks like it would have just spread it around. You go ahead and put Vaseline on your arm and just swipe it with a towel and see how much comes off.

That being said I’m not being a bitter or blind nutthugger, GSP had a smart game plan and I look forward to him smashing Alves and I feel sorry for Ken Flo having to endure a pretty pissed off BJ come this July or so.

What kinda shits me off and I find amazing is that over 2 months ago BJ was posting clips of his training on his website, being the fan I was posted the links on Sherdog and most of the replies I was met with were “I’m not signing up to BJPenn.com”.

Then Primetime comes on and tons of people jumps on this whole “BJ isn’t training” wagon bullshit despite him regularly posting stuff on his site.

Now that he losses, assholes actually go to the trouble of singing up to his site now just to talk fukn bullcrap, it just goes to show alot of people prefer to assume the worst about BJ and will go to more trouble to talk shit about him.

Some people took his shit talking way too personally, it barely bothered GSP, why should it bother you?

Just made a fanpost about the NSAC rules regarding the excess vaseline.

“Nevertheless, this appears to be blatantly bad cornering and should be fully investigated.”

lol, no offense, but isn’t that Dana White’s lame-o defense of the situation? Are we going to shift the blame for Margarito’s hand wraps to his corner too?

"Not sure if it was shown on television, Chuck Liddell was going nuts yelling at GSP’s corner and then to the Athletic Commission officials and Dana White. At one point, Chuck was so pissed, he had to walk away from his seat towards the exit way just to cool down. This was after yelling at the NSAC official. Chuck was seated with Jay Glazer directly behind Penn’s corner and had an excellent view of the vasoline being applied. Basically if he’s not Chuck Liddell, he would have been thrown out of the arena but from the GIFs I’ve seen, it looks like Chuck was right. did it affect the outcome of the fight? I don’t think so but it still doesn’t make it right. "

Yet everyone was amazed at the ease in which GSP passed Penn’s guard!! Yeah Vaseline doesn’t help with that at all…Nothing what so ever is allowed on the skin before the fight, much less vaseline touch ups during the fight. It’s not a mistake and anyone saying it is, is an asshole. Best camp, fighters, partners and trainers in the sport, make a rookie mistake? Please, they know the deal. If Liddell or someone got caught taking vaseline rub downs between rounds against a BBJ specialist he’d be crucified.

I gotta say who ever is teaching GSP is a scary dude. For Georges to know of shifting blood into BJ’s shoulders, impressed me.

Does the athletic commission run into the cage and freak out and yell all the time, or am I missing something? I don’t care who has what gif, the people didn’t freak out and take the vaseline from them, kicking it out of the cage and screaming at his trainers for nothing.