UFC 94 Complete Results
by Kid Nate on Feb 1, 2009 1:04 AM EST
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Dan Cramer d. Matt Arroyo Decision (Split) 3 5:00
Jake O'Brien d. Christian Wellisch Decision (Split) 3 5:00
John Howard d. Chris Wilson Decision (Split) 3 5:00
Thiago Tavares d. Manny Gamburyan Decision (Unanimous) 3 5:00
Jon Fitch d. Akihiro Gono Decision (Unanimous) 3 5:00
Clay Guida d. Nathan Diaz Decision (Split) 3 5:00
Karo Parisyan d. Dong Hyun Kim Decision (Split) 3 5:00
Jon Jones d. Stephan Bonnar Decision (Unanimous) 3 5:00
Lyoto Machida d. Thiago Silva KO (Punches) 1 4:59
Georges St. Pierre d. B.J. Penn TKO (Corner Stoppage) 4 5:00
Insta-thoughts:
Wow, what a bad night for my picks. What a great night of fights!
I don't expect to hear anymore doubters hating on Lyoto Machida. He put on the definition of a clinic on a very tough Thiago Silva. It was exciting, It was definitive. Lyoto is clearly the #1 contender at Light Heavyweight. Rashad Evans will be a tough tough fight for Machida.
Damn, GSP is the man! That was an incredible deconstruction of B.J. Penn. Brilliant strategy, flawless execution. Thiago Alves looked scared and rightfully so. He will be crushed by GSP.
Kenny Florian has to be smiling tonight. We've seen definitive proof that B.J. Penn is human. I expect him to punish Florian for this. At 155lbs, B.J. Penn is a force of nature.
Jon Jones is a rising star. He's got a great greco-roman background and all the athleticism in the world. I'd like to see him training with Cung Le so he can fully capitalize on his promise as an unconventional striker.
Damn, did Karo ever slip by the skin of his teeth. Our man needs to move down to lightweight. He's never going to beat GSP, but at 155lbs he is a threat to ANYONE.
Clay Guida has spoiled another fast-rising career. Well done Mr. Guida.
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Machida=Chuck L With Karate
I feel stupid, but I am happy to be wrong on things like fighters being boring. This is kind of like the turnaround that Rashad experienced when he discovered his KO power. I didn’t hate Machida, i was just skeptical.
X2
I even made a fan post to eat crow about how wrong and ignorant I was about him.
Why couldn’t GSP finish sooner? Penn looked whipped by the 2nd, so why did it take two more rounds? I’m not trying to hate, I love GSP, but it seemed like a bit LnP – of course, I could be overlooking something. Am I wrong?
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Feb 1, 2009 1:10 AM EST reply actions
dude that is NOT LnP..
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by Anton Tabuena on Feb 1, 2009 1:13 AM EST up reply actions
Being on top throwing heavy punches and elbows is not...
being on top and holding on trying to win based on simply being on top.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 1, 2009 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
What?
The shit GSP was throwing was devastating, and BJ has an amazing guard and is extremely tough.
by Cannon Jacques on Feb 1, 2009 1:15 AM EST up reply actions
I’m saying I think I overlooked something, I just want to know why when Penn couldn’t mount any credible defense, GSP continued to sit on him and occasionally punch, until the 4th round when he mauled Penn. I admit, I don’t train (paying for college now), so if there were technical nuances to Penn’s guard, I don’t know about them and plead ignorance. Educate me.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Feb 1, 2009 1:16 AM EST up reply actions
GSP was paying respect to BJ"S ground game. He did not want to overcommit and get caught in a sub. GSP had all the time in the world so why rush, especially when you’re fighting an amazing fighter like BJ. Too many times guys get over zealous and it costs them. It was great strategy. Just my opinion
by fightfan942 on Feb 1, 2009 1:23 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Makes sense
Too many times guys get over zealous and it costs them.
See: Arlovski, Andrei.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Feb 1, 2009 1:24 AM EST up reply actions
I definitely noticed some spots where GSP could have gone for an armbar but chose to maintain side control. He probably was afraid of getting reversed since BJ might not have tapped
Going for an armbar was exactly the thing GSP shouldn’t have done. If he had gone for it and Penn escaped and gotten on top that could’ve turned the fight. Wearing Penn down from top position over the course of 5 rounds was the correct strategy, and St. Pierre pulled it off to perfection. The people crying “lay and pray” are clearly wrong- St. Pierre was busy the whole time. There was never any point in the fight where it should’ve been stood up.
I think you will see a lot of people making excuses for why St. Pierre dominated Penn, but in reality he’s an even better fighter than people give him credit for. As Rogan mentioned, St. Pierre is improving from fight to fight in a way that is remarkable.
by BilboMcFonzie on Feb 1, 2009 2:32 AM EST up reply actions
I’m listening to the Fightlinker show, and they’re pointing out that the division passed Penn up. It’s changed so much since the first fight. I thought of LnP because he just punched from the top, never apparently going for a finish, and only turned on the riddum in the 4th. Agreed, though, it should never have been stood up at any point.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Feb 1, 2009 2:35 AM EST up reply actions
Technically, I can’t help you. I’m just a fan. My thinking is that GSP didn’t want to give BJ a chance to pull out a submission or reverse position. There really wasn’t a need for GSP to rush. Besides, BJ kept getting back to guard though GSP kept passing. GSP was dishing out some punishment even when he was in BJ’s guard. By the 4th it was probably pretty clear to GSP that the chances of BJ pulling something out was slim.
by Cannon Jacques on Feb 1, 2009 1:24 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
technical nuances? Are you kidding?
If you don’t understand that fight, just have your mom hit you in the face with a frying pan. And then have your uncle hit you in the ribs with a bat. You might be able to grasp it after that.
Technically speaking, of course.
I'm just a dude who's trying to put it together.
That was mean.
And factually useless. I saw GSP grinding Penn down for 4 rounds. Objectively impressive, but subjectively boring after the 1st round, where it was all-but-inevitable. I don’t get why he didn’t try to finish earlier, unless (as others have stated) he wanted to break him. Your mileage may vary.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Feb 1, 2009 2:19 AM EST up reply actions
not tryin to be mean...
I just saw BJ get the shit kicked out of him. What more could GSP have done — other than kick the shit out of him, of course.
I'm just a dude who's trying to put it together.
I saw a defenseless man allowed to fight two unnecessary rounds because his opponent didn’t go for the kill, and I didn’t understand why. The “I will break you” theory for GSP is reasonable.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Feb 1, 2009 2:32 AM EST up reply actions
I just didn’t see it that way. I saw GSP throwing lots and lots at BJ. And it’s not only BJ’s BJJ, but his extremely hard nogg’in. Fighters make the mistake of punching themselves out, so GSP went at a hard pace that he could maintain, while not punching himself out. Giving a guy like BJ a dominant position because of hastiness is bad planning. Guys who are winning and end up losing do so because they don’t stick to their gameplan. But it did not seem like LnP to me. It looked like constant strikes and elbows. It was damned impressive.
The onus is on Penn to defend himself, not on St. Pierre to recklessly go for the kill. If BJ was truly defenseless then the fight should’ve been stopped earlier. This kind of nonsense is the stuff Jordan Breen talks about when he says people have an obsession with fighters getting a finish. And even when St. Pierre got a finish and dominated pretty much the entire fight, still some ask why he didn’t finish earlier? Unfreakingbelievable.
by BilboMcFonzie on Feb 1, 2009 2:36 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t mind decisions – I have enjoyed Machida for a long while. But when a fighter has mentally quit and is merely going through rote motions, I would like to see the killshot. Penn had no answer after the 1st Rd. Don’t get me wrong, GSP looked great & unbelievably dominant, but why did it take 4 Rds?
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Feb 1, 2009 2:43 AM EST up reply actions
I hate boxing – it’s neutered fighting.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Feb 1, 2009 1:17 AM EST up reply actions
Boxing’s biggest problem is there are so many rounds. Could you imagine MMA with more rounds? Guys are figuring out how to save their energy now. Imagine if the fights were longer. That’s the problem I see with boxing. Guys simply cannot output that much energy and expect to finish so they fight timid and really WAIT to pick there spots.
Some guys in boxing
fight from start to finish throwing nearly a hundred punches a round. MAYYYYBEEEE… MMA just needs better athletes. Which it is now starting to get in the form of guys like GSP.
Gimme 1 Round!
Calzaghe & Super Bantam Feather Lightweights
And Calzaghe throws 15 hand slaps + 60 doggie paddles + 30 punches per round
Actually, my problem with boxing is that it’s strictly punching. As a combat sport, it’s severely narrow. As a martial art, it’s a joke. The more diverse a martial art is, the better. There’s a reason no historical art is just punching.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Feb 1, 2009 5:26 AM EST up reply actions
Cause he didn’t want to make a mistake. Also i think he just wanted to punish penn. Not just beat him.
by J_Maddux on Feb 1, 2009 1:17 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
GSP said he wanted to take BJ’s heart because no one else has. It looked like he had a few chances to take BJ’s back but maybe he just wanted to beat him down. One of the most impressive performances I have ever seen. The only way to beat BJ is to wear him down. You can’t ko him and you can’t sub him.
by SplitBreast on Feb 1, 2009 1:17 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That looked like the way Hughes stopped penn. Like him or hate him, Penn is one tough SOB. Just gotta work on the cardio and mental game.
it had nothing to do with the cardio or the mental game.
GSP is just bigger, more athletic, and better.. BJ should stay at 155, his body really isn’t built to hold that much weight..
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by Anton Tabuena on Feb 1, 2009 1:34 AM EST up reply actions
Nothin for nothin but BJ sure laid an ass whoopin on Hughes and hughes is huge as well. He also out fought GSP in their last one. Sherk cuts big time to make 155 and he made him look like a fool. I believe GSP broke Penn. At the end of round two you could see it in how he stood in his corner. To give him respect though, he lasted until someone else stopped it. I do agree, GSP is simply the better fighter now.
This is a useful answer – thank you.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Feb 1, 2009 1:20 AM EST up reply actions
I would also like to congratulation Clay Guida. He’s a gatekeeper extraordinare.
“MMA…so simple a caveman can do it.”
by ricker2005 on Feb 1, 2009 1:13 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
why was it split?
he easily had all 3 rounds. Was in control from behind. If youre on someones back, thats supposed to be scoring points.
I don’t know what third round you were watching but you’re right that Guida easily had the first and second.
I need to watch it again because I thought Diaz took Round 1.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
yep i had the first 2 rounds to guida as well..
its karo who shouldve lost to kim. or at least a draw..
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by Anton Tabuena on Feb 1, 2009 2:05 AM EST up reply actions
You do. That was a clear round for Guida.
by Derek Suboticki on Feb 1, 2009 2:32 AM EST up reply actions
Round 1 was where Guida basically made Diaz use his safety word
cause he was dominating him
- Banana!
Gimme 1 Round!
KARO SUCKS.. That fight shouldve been a draw. Round 1 to kim, 2 to karo, but nothing happened in the 3rd..
This has to be the card with the most decisions ever.. And who wouldve thought that it would be machida with the only KO.. They better give him his title shot now..
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agreed
Karo is not even entertaining anymore, because he doesn’t fight with any heart anymore. i think it was getting the tooth knocked out vs. diego sanchez that took his heart out of the game.
I had DHK winning rounds 1 & 3.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
Me too!
How on Earth do you give Karo the third??
by Derek Suboticki on Feb 1, 2009 2:32 AM EST up reply actions
Right or wrong
that kick trip at the end. My buddy and I both said that would decide round 3. And it did.
Gimme 1 Round!
What’s your problem with Varner? You seem to have taken that fight personally.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Feb 1, 2009 3:04 AM EST up reply actions
Starnes crapped out for 3 entire rounds for no discernible reason. Varner was edging a close fight for nearly 5 rounds and then (potentially) gets illegally injured in the eye. And people, by and large, have moved on from Starnes, hence decrying WKR’s title.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Feb 1, 2009 3:26 AM EST up reply actions
After Varner has 2 more fights
He might be able to get a pass from me on this one. But I think it will take 3 because he has the “my mouthpeice is out!” timeout on his record and 2 NC’s too.
Gimme 1 Round!
I’ll grant you that the mouthpiece timeout was dick.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Feb 1, 2009 5:27 AM EST up reply actions
I may have blown most of my BE Game picks but…
“BJ taps out to strikes at 4:32 R3”
Did I call that or what!!!
….. First of all it was R4. Second he didn’t tap to any strikes. It’s officially a TKO, so if a submission is a TKO then yes you called it. Gj
bj didnt quit..
His brother just stopped it.
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by Anton Tabuena on Feb 1, 2009 1:28 AM EST up reply actions
He didn’t quit in the traditional sense of “tapping” or saying I’m done but he knew he was through. You didn’t see any protests from him. He indirectly quit.
You guys buy into that pre-fight hype stuff a little too much …
by grb on Feb 1, 2009 2:23 AM EST up reply actions
we would, except you followed up with “just kidding”
by dualdiagnosis on Feb 1, 2009 2:02 AM EST up reply actions
Jon Jones
the kid from upstate ny, only 21… is going to be a force. So much athletic ability and he looks like he still isnt sure what to do out there. Did you see when he knocked him over with the spinning elbow then hesitated before pouncing? the fight would have ended right there.
I think he was giving him time to recover from the technically illegal (albeit totally awesome) strike (back of head),
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Feb 1, 2009 1:23 AM EST up reply actions
It was completely illegal
Reason #72 why Rogan is such a jobber. He knew from the replay that shot clearly landed on the back off Bonnar’s head but being a good company man he choose to let it go. The Ref missed it, but it should have been mentioned.
Everybody watching it with me thought that it was legal. At worst it seemed close, but it certainly didn’t seem any worse than where Randy got hit by Brock or GSP by Serra.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR
I believe there is slack given
to standing blows to the back of the head. Its pretty hard to intentionally hit somebody in the back of the head when they are standing in front of you, looking you eye to eye.
Gimme 1 Round!
Jon Jones looked good for the first two rounds. I liked his mix of Elbows and Kicks. When his cardio improves he’s gonna be crazy. Guida completly humped Diaz for 2 and half rounds.
for definitive PFP best (in the UFC)
gsp looked like the pfp best tonight, but he did so against a lightweight.
If he did the same against Anderson Silva, then he’s clearly the best.
Personally, I’d like to see Anderson Silva against Lyoto Machida.
They train together, and I believe they have both stated it will never happen.
by grb on Feb 1, 2009 2:24 AM EST up reply actions
Two Things:
Jon Fitch is the new Rich Franklin
Jon Jones is a solid dude, his interview was amazing. His toolbox is amazing.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
This is why you don’t set up your training camp whith guys who mow your lawn as training partners…
And use your barber as your “coach and trainer”
All I got to say is BWAHAHAHA to all the Penn and Silva fans.
BJ threw in the towel. Who is the quitter now?!
Penn did not throw in the towel. His brother stopped it. Right at the end of the round if you notice, BJ was trying to throw punches from the bottom. Quitters don’t do that. I believe he would have fought until GSP seriously injured him. His brother made the right choice. It stil felt good watching GSP whoop his ass though.
Fightfan, face the facts.
BJ quit. Whether he did it through his brother, or just let him do it, doesn’t matter. He certainly wasn’t objecting, was he?
He bailed. He’s got some big fat crow to eat, and I am smiling.
You’re right about eating a ton of crow. I don’t think he could protest as I am not sure he knew where he was. It was sweet and I am gonna have the largest shout out calgary has ever heard
Does this mean that Sean Sherk wins bonehead of the year of 2008?
GSP wrestled BJ and tired him out.. do you think if Sean Sherk would of done that, we could of possibly seen GSP vs. Sean Sherk II?
Sean Sherk is a tough tough tough tough tough dude to submit. Watch that Hermes Franca fight, got pulled deep into waters put prevailed. While Hermes is no BJ Penn, GSP showed if you press BJ Penn and you make him work with takedowns and clinches, you can defeat him, because if you do that and continue with takedown attempts, BJ gasses and when he hits the floor he tries to breathe instead of submission.
sherk will never be able to take down and wear out bj..
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by Anton Tabuena on Feb 1, 2009 1:40 AM EST up reply actions
Can’t say anything about the two openers other than that everyone I know online made sure to tell me that Karo should have lost the decision. As for the rest:
-Bonnar has a bunch of legit wins over guys not in the UFC anymore, a ridiculous decision he should have lost against Jardine, and he lost to every good fighter he ever fought. Jones beating him does not make Jones elite. It makes him good, sure. But Bonnar hasn’t fought since 2007 either. I have a feeling he’ll be fighting Bobby Southworth for a vacant PFC or Strikeforce title by the end of 2009.
-Machida went in a heavy favorite against Machida, and it was clear why. Silva was never a strong bet to beat him given that he had none of the tools necessary to properly close the distance. I’d still want to see Machida with another win before tossing him Rashad Evans. Like, by the mid point of March, Rampage Jackson might be 4-1 in his last 5 with his only loss being by all time great fight with Forrest and the wins being Hendo, Wanderlei, Liddell, and Jardine.
Its not my fault that Machida doesn’t have the wins quite yet, but the good thing about only having one meaningful title is that guys have to really clean out divisions to earn shots in such competitive divisions.
-I can’t wait for Alves to show up at the weighins at 172. Aside from him, GSP’s done an impressive job cleaning out the welters. After that, there’s some less than enthralling matches with some embryonic talent (Anthony Johnson) and some guys that people think are better than they actually are (winner of Kampmann/Condit, Swick, Davis). I expect the call for GSP/Anderson Silva to be very, very strong by years end.
The thing about Bonnar is, he is incredibly hard to stop, and he is one of the biggest LHWs around. And Bones slammed him around like a ragdoll. This is a guy who hasn’t even been a pro for a year. He is like King Mo: maybe you can’t call him elite yet, but he has unbelievable potential.
The Gif master!
Got any requests yet? I heard Gono’s walk in was sweet.
I’m only human… prelims come out when the prelims come out. Could be tomorrow, could be a week from now
A Taste of the Intro:
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by Scott C. Broussard on Feb 1, 2009 2:11 AM EST up reply actions
I love Gono.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Feb 1, 2009 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
I mean, like I said: I think its a situation where we look back in 9 months and no one thinks its such a big deal. Want an example of that? Look at Thiago Silva. I was pretty vocal about how overrated the guy was coming in but I’m sure others will speak those things now to a more attentive audience. There’s so many fighters at 205 that he’ll have to contend with, until he really starts to string together some wins against top 15 fighters (which Bonnar was not), I’m not about to rush in for him.
Another thing to talk about? Penn and future challenges at lightweight. Everyone is calling for a Florian fight even though Florian probably isn’t the second best lightweight. Then who? Guida? Maynard? Its kinda thin.
Sherk fought Florian
Like he should have fought BJ – you know… Actually try to take him down occasionally. Had Sherk boxed Florian he would have lost against him too
Gimme 1 Round!
Knockout of the Night
Heh, almost every fight goes to decision EXCEPT for the Machida fight (and the main event, but the towel was thrown in there). Just a weird night.
WAR Machida. The Dragon is gonna get him a belt this summer.
Montreal is celebrating tonight!
Fuck yeah GSP
Incredibly dominating performance
People at my party were accusing me of wanting to suck off Machida but now theyre convinced too
What a night!
"What a great night of fights!"
If this was a great night of fights, Affliction 2 must have been historic or unbelievable because only 5 fights were shown on the PPV and all went into a decision except for the last two, although one was a throw in the towel stoppage. We didn’t even have ONE submission in the entire fight card.
What is the obsession with finishes that people have?
A KO doesn’t make it a good fight; a good fight makes it a good fight. All the fights were entertaining and most were fairly close. That’s a good card, not a bunch of fights with lopsided KOs.
Nobody used the word WARS but you. toxic said they were entertaining and fairly close. Why not argue the point presented, instead of savaging a straw man?
Awesome card – best I’ve seen this month.
by Derek Suboticki on Feb 1, 2009 2:35 AM EST up reply actions
I would not say
Diaz and Guida were entertaining in the least. Jones was entertaining in an extended beating of Bonnar that should have been on the undercard… Karo and Jones was entertaining and Machida tooling Silva was great. BJ vs GSP was a non-event beatdown LIKE I SAID IT WAS. Overall a decent card with some entertainment value. Good, but not great…
Gimme 1 Round!
It’s still the best I’ve seen this month. For as non-sucky as DoR was, only a couple of those fights (and I’m counting AA/Fedor) were truly competitive as in ‘omg who’s going to win?’ Most fights tonight felt that way to me – uncertain outcomes rule.
by Derek Suboticki on Feb 1, 2009 2:45 AM EST up reply actions
Fight 1 was a lock for Guida after round 1 minus a huge mistake – Bonnar vs Jones was a LOCK for Jones after round 1 minus a huge mistake – GSP vs Penn was a lock for GSP minus a huge mistake. Did not hold my interest as I kinda had a feeling it wouldn’t… Machida vs Silva was very interesting with a great finish. KO of the night/FotN should win both bonuses. Unless Fitch vs Gono pwned
Gimme 1 Round!
You’re right:
Barnett/Yvel
Sidelnikov/Buentello
Matyushenko/Minotoro
Belfort/Lindland
Sobral/Soko
Arlovski/Fedor
Those were some WARS…oh no wait…they weren’t. Fights can be very enjoyable without being WARS. Seriously, man, do you just say everything you can think of and just hope that some of it sticks?
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR
Myo bsession is so that there is a definitive winner.
There were 5 split decisions on the card.
In my mind – Kim could have won his fight. I think Diaz lost but it was close enough to call it for him.
I haven’t seen the uc fights.
I love good close fights but I also want to see a definitive winner.
A split is still a win. The Karo fight showed some excellent skill. The Diaz fight showed some good boxing, takedowns and determination. Bonnar showed some heart coming back in the last round and GSP laid an ass whoopin. If you are looking you can see good things in almost every fight, especially if Kaleb Starnes is not in them HAHAHA
I'm not saying they weren't good fights
I’m just saying – Can you honestly say that Karo won that fight? And that a win like that should promote him up the rankings of the WW division?
Diaz fight was also a good fight. Njyoed watching both fights but disappointed not to see a definitive winner.
Therefore – I like finishes
See, here is how it works:
UFC PPV: Lots of early stops = classic show. See also, UFC 91.
Anyone else: Lots of stops = poor matchmaking. See also: Affliction: Banned, many boxing PPVs
No Way!
This card is going to be a financial windfall but it’s performance is going to leave people questioning future purchases.
I’d like to sit down with these people you speak of.
by Derek Suboticki on Feb 1, 2009 3:37 AM EST up reply actions
I agree with this
Many casual fans would have been bored and their thinking would be ’what’s all the hype with all the hype about mma’.
The early stoppages were not examples of bad matchmaking at Affliction 2. The two worst were Buentello/Sidelnikov and Barnett/Yvel and they went to decision and 3rd round TKO, respectively. And yes, that was horrible matchmaking.
And at Banned, the only truly bad matchmaking was Nog/Dewees and that fight would have been poor matchmaking no matter how long it went.
Addiitonally, the only fight that I saw as poor matchmaking at UFC 91 was Gonzaga/Hendricks. All the others that finished early did so due to very exciting performances. And it was a great show.
I’m sorry if your post was intended to be sarcasm and I just didn’t get it, but since MMASuPreMaCy agreed, I figured that you meant it.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR
Barnett Yvel
was also the 4th option
After Barnett/Werdum, Barnett/Alex, Barnett/Brett Rogers
And Barnett has still had problems with kickboxers in his career
Pedro Rizzo KO Mirko Crocop 2 clear wins and 1 injury win. It was about the best Afflcition could do with what they were afforded. I mean they could have put him in there with Rothwell or Nelson… But honestly I don’t find those interesting I guess because Barnett would be so dominant over them on the ground and they couldn’t put him away on the feet like Yvel would in a standup bout.
Gimme 1 Round!
I know it was the 4th option, but really if your only option is taking your number two/three guy and pairing him with a fringe top thirty guy in an incredibly weak division, just skip out on the fight. It’s not like they couldn’t use the extra cash.
Even better, match Buentello and Yvel, who are a more exciting/close/meaningful match up anyway. Then, bring in a cheap new guy for Kiril to grow against fighting, rather than get sacrificed to Buentello’s jabs. You’ve just saved hundreds of thousands of dollars, made meaningful fights, and have helped a prospect to develop further.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR
That Barnett/Yvel match was right out of the UFC playbook. Safe match to market your next challenger and give him a tune up. Still, it was sorta an exciting fight for 2 rounds. Yvel did 10 times more on his back than BJ tonight. So far you are complaining about one fight out of eleven.
UFC 94 has many fights to complain about . . . most being what was the point of the match up?
That would have been brilliant
Why didn’t you send Attencio a note to match Buentello and Yvel and Barnett and Sidelnikov.
It would have had a built in storyline for the Fedor vs Barnett fight
Gimme 1 Round!
No, Barnett should have just not been on the show. He could have fought on Sengoku or done some Japanese pro wrestling.
And selling the Fedor/Barnett fight is a non issue. Firstly, the tape on Rizzo would be more than enough to get the requisite highlights from. Secondly, the people who watch Affliction cards already know Barnett more than well enough to want this fight.
Thirdly, selling Barnett/Fedor via Barnett/Yvel does not make Barnett/Yvel good matchmaking.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Feb 1, 2009 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
Maia/Quarry was an obvious mismatch. Its hilarious to hear people talk about it now as if it wasn’t. Hazelett was also a pretty clear favorite over the less experienced McCrory. Besides, the point wasn’t to compare it to Affliction: Day of Reckoning, but rather the first show. Arlovski/Rothwell had a closer betting line than Maia/Quarry, for instance. However the way most have talked since, you’d think that was anything but the case.
More over, would you rather see “well matched” bouts between nothing fighters and highlight bouts for good ones? Frankly, I don’t care much for either.
I would say that overall Affliction 2 was a better card
Also because the main event wasn’t even close. Midway thruogh Rnd 2 I knew in my heart that BJ was done. I still cheered for him to get a sub but he didn’t even attempt any.
It was better by a galaxy . . .
UFC 94 had all the hype but never had a chance to deliver the fizzle. The only good fight going in was Guilda vs Diaz and that died off in the 3rd. I love grappling matches, but when they only last 7 minutes out 15 it sucks.
My buddy that thought BJ would beat GSP
actually started saying after round 1 that it was now a contest to see if BJ would get finished by GSP. NON-EVENT. BJ wasn’t even in the same class in skill… Much less same weight class. NON EVENT
Gimme 1 Round!
Did anyone else think BJ was horrible tonight? I never expected him to win but even when the fight was in stand up he looked horrible striking. Taking a year off combined with this challenge was a horrible decision, he’s never looked so rusty.
That is what using a jab does
BJ’s best weapon is his jab. GSP used a double jab with GREAT effectiveness and he had a 6" reach advantage. For everybody that likes to decry boxing THIS IS WHAT GOOD BOXING FUNDAMENTALS DOES. BJ couldn’t do ANYTHING to get off. If he did – he got a jab stuck in his chest and follow up in his grill. Set the pace for the entire fight.
As soon as I saw GSP come out throwing a very good jab I knew it was a GSP win right there
Gimme 1 Round!
Yeah...
boxing is becoming VERY important to the overall MMA game. The jab is one of the best weapons in the game.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 1, 2009 3:21 AM EST up reply actions
Penn’s jab was more Nick Diaz than Arlovski tonight. There was no snap to his punches. The punches he was missing on didn’t have much behind them.
He couldn’t get his rhythm earlier in the fight, and by the later rounds, GSP’s really plan of using wrestling to tire Penn’s shoulders had already worked perfectly. It was a really good gameplan and incredibly well executed.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR
I agree with all with GSP’s game plan and it’s effect.
Penn didn’t even look comfortable starting the fight. I’ve seen his jab, its beautiful. Start of tonight, it was all out of sorts: a bit limp, with extra arm movement and didn’t even return in position for him to fire another.
I think boxing is great, just not by itself.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Feb 1, 2009 3:22 AM EST up reply actions
God I wanna see a championship boxer with dynamite power in his hands in 12 oz gloves and All American level wrestling put on 4 oz gloves and show you how wrong that is.
But Kermit Cintron makes too much money as a top 4 top 5 guy at 147 to come to MMA ::Frowny FACE::
There has never been anything better than a journeyman boxer so far convert to MMA… One day we’ll see something different. David Haye is talking about switching over (he’s with Golden Boy), if he can wrestle at all I’d love to see it.
Gimme 1 Round!
There’s a reason why no historical martial art is based solely on striking. AA’s striking against Fedor removed any lingering doubt about boxing’s uses in MMA, and I won’t dispute that boxers can be formidable strikers. However, to say that only punches are legal, I find bizarre and arbitrary rule-making.
How do you think Pacquiao would fare against top MMA fighters of comparable weight, say Faber or Torres?
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Feb 1, 2009 5:37 AM EST up reply actions
No historical martial art? Are you for real? Hell, Boxing actually does have a grappling component. Yes, its one that’s been minimzed in importance over the last 100 years, but one that exists nonetheless. Its easily comparable in that sense to something like TKD given that both threw it away for sporting applications.
Dammit, I mistyped up there, undermined my entire point. I meant “Which martial art was punching only?”
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Feb 1, 2009 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
kermit cintron would get destroyed in mma if he can’t wrestle.
I remember reading about a study where somebody put wrestlers against boxers. The rules were something like:
1. If the boxer lands one clean shot – he wins
2. If the wrestler lands one takedown – he wins.
90% of the time the wrestlers won. The only time a boxer won was when he had been a wrestler before
A championship boxer versus an All-American wrestler (both withoutany BJJ) would get owned.
Kermit Cintron
was an All American wrestler into Jr. College and placed higher at a tournament than Sherk did
Gimme 1 Round!
So... He's top 5 in the deepest MMA class in boxing
His only 2 losses coming to Margarito, (he’s obviously paying a great deal of attention to the Margarito loaded gloves scandal), with 30 W 27 by KO.
And he was a Jr. College All American wrestler. Same as Tito and Rashad. Obviously they got better as he turned his talents elsewhere but his pedigree in wrestling is certainly higher than Chucky Liddell’s. He’s 5’11" with a 74" reach and could make 155 like a charm. And he would MELT FACES if he didn’t make so much damn money in boxing.
There is a reason Dana stopped calling out Mayweather to fight Sherk in MMA. That reason was Kermit Cintron coming out and challenging to fight Sherk in the Octogon under MMA rules and stating with firm conviction he would readily beat his ass on his own turf. All Cintron needs is sub defense, (the easiest thing to teach ask Lesnar), and he would be set.
Gimme 1 Round!
by skwirrl on Feb 1, 2009 6:30 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What this guy said...
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by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 1, 2009 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
That guy sounds like a force. However, he is much more than a boxer, he apparently has great all-around skills, not just a puncher.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Feb 1, 2009 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
Wow I really don't remember writting
Deepest MMA class in boxing LOL
I meant the deepest most competitive class in boxing
Gimme 1 Round!
UFC 94 -didnt live up
UFC 91 was better than this card as was 92. One KO (ty Machida) and no subs. There were EIGHT decisions in a row. If you like man hugging and clinching then this was the ultimate card. GSP-Penn was okay but is 1 man kicking the crap out of another a “good fight”? GSP is unquestionably an amazing fighter but the fights themselves were bleh.
Hell of a good night of fights, Clay Guida derailed another Tuf winners hype train with his great gas tank and non stop takedown. Karo rebounded from a tought first round to put on a clinic in the second and pulled it out with heart and guts in the third. Plus we got to see a new star being born in Jones even if it was at the expence of a guy like Bonnar. Then Machida makes a case for getting the next title shot by dismantling Thiago and GSP completelly and utterly dominated Penn forcing him to quit before the 5’th. The great thing about MMA and specifically UFC ppv’s is that you can have events where there are only finishes like UFC 91 and events that have mostly decisions like UFC 94 and both be worth everypenny.
hopefully we are done with champions in one weight class fighting champs of another. it ties up the important inter-class title fights and is a lose lose proposition for the UFC. if the smaller man wins then it calls into question the heavier weight class and if the bigger man wins, so what? if a champ wants to leave his weight class and move up then so be it, otherwise i see it as pointless.
if gsp handles alves easily, people will surely clamor gsp vs silva..
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by Anton Tabuena on Feb 1, 2009 2:04 AM EST up reply actions
Strongly Disagree
For one thing – both the MW and WW are lacking challengers to the title.
There has to be some guys who come out a string together some wins before they’re granted a title shot. I think a minimum of 3 wins in a row and at least one of those wins against a fellow top contender should be necessary….
MW has Okami, Belfort is available, Lawler is available, Wandy is moving down. WW has Fitch rematch, Alves, Shields, Condit.
GSP is naturally big enough to fit in at 185
BJ is fuckin FAT at 170. GSP would be built like a normal healthy human being at weighing in at 185 instead of 190 at fight time with 3% body fat for a 170 fight
Gimme 1 Round!
Considering the size of some 185ers, he would be small for the weight class, but athletic enough he might make it work. Keep in mind that a guy like Franklin or Okami walk around at 210 or something like that…..
GSP walks around near 190-200
with no body fat dude… he’s big enough. He’s the leanest fighter in any weight class.
Gimme 1 Round!
If he has no body fat, what does he lose when he cuts weight? Cutting muscle wouldn’t make sense, would it?
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Feb 1, 2009 2:52 AM EST up reply actions
Water weight
He cuts 10 + lbs of water weight in the last days. He cuts a few lbs of body fat in camp. In shape in camp hes at least 185
Gimme 1 Round!
Thanks.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Feb 1, 2009 3:07 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah...
the ideal cut is just drying yourself out. You can’t reliably cut muscle or fat to make weight.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 1, 2009 3:07 AM EST up reply actions
It’s not a good look unless Mark Coleman is your idol. In 2 years GSP gone from being 25 yrs old and exciting to 35 yrs old lay and pray.
In some ways no. He needs to add back on some body fat. Fat does serve a purpose and I’m afraid missing it for 2 years is going to age him too quickly. He can lay and pray all he wants . . .
Roids and lots of them aged Coleman quickly
but your point does have some credibility. Your body is designed to burn fat instead of just carbs… But it could just be his metabolism + working out that keeps him like that. I know a guy that can not do shit and eat super fat and his metabolism still burns it all off.
So maybe GSP actually has a healthy diet and is still like that. In that case he’ll be fine for a long long time
Gimme 1 Round!
he'll beat the majority of guys
And I think he would beat Anderson Silva via decision.
But he would lose a decision to Dan Henderson.
Tough to say. Silva whooped Hendo quite convincingly. Hendo has his wrestling and the knockout power but Silva is on another level. I got GSP getting the decision on Hendo, losing by knockout to Silva…..
GSP’s strength is takedown and GnP. He would execute a good gameplan against Silva and stay away from knees and strikes.
But I don’t think that GSP would be able to take Henderson down like he takes down welterweights.
I believe Henderson is too old to stay with GSP’s conditioning. The first round is all he would have. As for Silva, GSP needs to close to GnP and on the ground Silva has great BJJ and he isn’t giving up size like Penn. Silva is also an amazing counter striker so look for knees and straight rights as GSP shoots in.
Guida's stomach issues
Did anyone else besides me crack up to tears when Guida let loose with huge burps in his corner after the 1st and 2nd rounds?
Dude must have eaten a Big Mac before his entrance.
UFC 94 ZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
3 fights that fizzled to the cards, Machida simply better and GSP grinding out a win without a single highlight . . . was there ever a more predictably boring card?
Luke, Kid and Fagan
You are all fail. Fagan more than the others. Enjoy that syrup.
BTW – the only fights worth a damn were Machida and Karo vs Donger. Jon Jones was impressive in a destruction of Bonnar but that should have been on the undercard.
Gimme 1 Round!
I disagree
Jon Jones = the new Prodigy.
by Derek Suboticki on Feb 1, 2009 2:37 AM EST up reply actions
Like I said
VERY IMPRESSIVE – 21 year old KID DOMINATING BONNAR. But Bonnar didn’t deserve to be on the main card at all. Never has done anything with his career to deserve that. Jones NOW deserves to be on the next main card no matter what
Gimme 1 Round!
Bonnar was part of the TUF 1 finale. He’s got a golden ticket, and shit man, I can’t hate on Dana for giving it to him after validating the whole Spike TV gamble.
by Derek Suboticki on Feb 1, 2009 2:52 AM EST up reply actions
Wow, 9 out of 10 fights went to the decision.
Jones was by far the standout of the night (aside from Machida’s KO). Joe Silva almost had a heart attack when Jones landed that spinning elbow.
I loved UFC 91 & 92
Honestly, I got dragged to this event and went exactly like I expect it. Deep down most of you knew it was going this way to.
so vou want less events per year?
I paid for 3 ppvs this month and that painful but Im happy its possible
3 great parties this month
NFL is my other sporting passion and thats every week.
The more MMA the better
I paid 55 for each in HD
Each was on a Saturday
On a normal saturday I would go out somewhere and spend at least that if not more, just 15 or so on entrance to some shitty place…
7-8 bucks a drink in a club…..
Plus I party with married friends of mine who would never be at a club and are only allowed out for events like this
Its no contest
Spend 20 bucks on top for my girl to make dips and chicken wings and shit and its still the bargain of a lifetime compared to the money you spend at a club to not pick up this chick…..
Im 30 and probably a little older than a lot of the people but thats it. Staying connected to my childhood friends. Their wives dont allow them to go out but to come to a safe UFC at my place? For sure. Its kept my group together. Montrealer here and we were going wild for GSP.
Nothing wrong with staying in and watching a little ass whoopin from the best P4P fighter in the WORLD WHOOOOOOO
Yo youre from Alberta but fly to MTl for UFC 97
- was unbelievable.
You wont regret it
Im also going to #99 in Germany
me and my boys got a box for the last one
(unlimited food and drinks with a girl to serve you)
You also have some of the best seats in the house
Were planning on the same this time
Commit now and get in with us
Were all fanatics and theres nothing like watching it in that atmosphere.
were all wearing suits and shit, incredible
let me know, were deciding on how were doing #97 in the next two days or so…
Man, you have got to LOVE how hindsight works.
Not 6 hours ago tons of people were leaning towards Penn, Machida was gonna get KTFO, blah blah blah.
Hour and a half after the fight, it was SO OBVIOUS that Penn was going to get stomped, Silva is obviously no match for Machida, blah blah blah.
Please people, please. I called Machida by KO in the first, and GSP by TKO in the 4th, but I have enough sense to avoid acting like I’m Nostradamus.
Quotes from me pre-fight:
" I’m saying BJ will be so gassed by the 4th that my grandmother could finish him… or did you miss the part when he just laid there and let Hughes have his way with him?
I guess that’s the thing that bothers me the most about the BJ hype; I have never seen a top level fighter just shit himself that badly."
Anything can happen, yadi ya, but BJ Penn is about 75% as good as people say he is, and about 50% as good as he thinks he is. GSP should be more heavily favored, imo. GSP by rear naked choke in the 4th.
And c’mon. Silva is a brawler; Machida lives to kill brawlers. Should be an exciting KO for the Dragon."
Ok, I am Nostradamus and I have been dying to remind everyone of my predictions. But I’m trying to behave.
You were right
I excepted everything else you predicted, expect I thought this might be the lucky fight Machida got accidentally caught. Thiago was joke, all chest puffing and no bite. Rome was right, he hadn’t fought anyone.
See my posts in the weigh in thread
I said it was a non event and GSP would destroy him
Gimme 1 Round!
Let’s have a poll – I bet Kim wins the fan’s split decision.
by Derek Suboticki on Feb 1, 2009 2:46 AM EST up reply actions
Dong vs MAtt Brown?
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Feb 1, 2009 2:49 AM EST up reply actions
Im just saying.
Gono alone has a couple.
Kim should have won this one.
I recall a few more.
I stand corrected.
:)
That’s probably the worst decision I’ve seen since Bisping-Hamill – but that was a screwjob to end all screwjobs,
by Derek Suboticki on Feb 1, 2009 2:53 AM EST up reply actions
COUGH GENKI SUDO COUGH
COUGH AGAINST BANG LUDWIG COUGH
COUGH DISGRACEFUL DECISION COUGH
Gimme 1 Round!
My love of Colorado MMA will not allow me to agree with you.
by Derek Suboticki on Feb 1, 2009 3:02 AM EST up reply actions
Cause it's not like...
there have ever been fights in Japan where the countryman was gifted a decision. I agree that I think Kim won…but I don’t think it was an amazingly shockingly bad decision.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 1, 2009 3:14 AM EST up reply actions
I don't think that either
I was talking about Sudo vs Bang
That decision was disgraceful
I think Kim won – but that the kick trip at the end won it for Karo on the judges cards. Wrong but understandable.
Gimme 1 Round!
Ah...
yeah. Sudo/Bang was simply AWFUL
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by Brent Brookhouse on Feb 1, 2009 3:25 AM EST up reply actions
I thought it should have been a draw. Although Kim really didn’t show much in the 3rd. When the moment came for him to rise he took a seat.
It hard to say Karo won the 3rd because he landed three tosses that resulted in 1.3 seconds of offense . . . still he pressed the pedal 1.3 seconds longer than Kim.
Does fucking hanging out on someone’s back with your hooks in count?
Kim got jobbed.
by Derek Suboticki on Feb 1, 2009 2:55 AM EST up reply actions
It was close to being that...
Had Kim inflicted a little more damage or had one more near submission I would have scored it 10-8. Cause that was utter domination bell to bell in round 1
Gimme 1 Round!
Machida must have been practicing his speech
after each workout embarrassing his training partners
Gimme 1 Round!
Montreal wins tonight!
Cant wait for #97
They gave us a pretty stacked card this time
Well light it up
On another note, the barbershop where GSP got his hair cut on the PRime Time special is where i get my hair cut and is about 2 blocks from where I live……
Maybe you should “accidentally” bump into GSP there…
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Feb 1, 2009 3:29 AM EST up reply actions
BJ Penn, after all his smack talking…
In the words of the incomparable Ice T:
“How’d he go out? He went out like a B*TCH!”
Karma’s a b*tch, eh BJ?
by Monday Morning Martial Artist on Feb 1, 2009 1:12 PM EST reply actions
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