UFC Expects Brock Lesnar Back by July 2010
by Kid Nate on Dec 9, 2009 7:29 PM EST
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MMA Weekly talks to Greg Nelson, Lesnar's head coach:
Greg Nelson, a two-time cancer survivor who leads Lesnar's fight camps along with Erik Paulson and Marty Morgan, said the UFC heavyweight champ is still recovering from a severe case of diverticulitis (an infection in the digestive tract), but wants to get back into the gym.
Heavy.com adds more:
Heavy.com has learned from UFC sources that the company is internally targeting July as a potential return date for Lesnar and that the Lesnar/Carwin bout could headline the UFC's initial foray into Massachusetts. A July date has been secured with the TD Garden in Boston for a card that will serve as the centerpiece of the UFC's summer 2010 schedule.
Please note that much of the information that came from Dana White regarding Lesnar's health has not been borne out. Nelson confirms to MMA Weekly that Lesnar never went to the Mayo Clinic for instance.
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Did Dana ever say he went there?
Last interview I heard (the one where he said that Brock still wasn’t doing well) he said he was going to send Brock to the mayo clinic, not that he had already sent him.
Oh. Shit.
He’ll gain most of it back, obviously, but I would jizz mah pants over Brock at 205. don’t say such things!
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
by Anthony Pace on Dec 10, 2009 5:56 AM EST up reply actions
I know, I just got mad excited
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
by Anthony Pace on Dec 10, 2009 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
Also, I was drunk as hell
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
by Anthony Pace on Dec 10, 2009 4:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Am I the only one who is scared/intrigued by the possibility that Brock could come back bigger, stronger, faster, and who knows what else from all of this?
Or it could backfire and Brock will never be the same. If he has to pass the torch on to someone, I’m glad it’ll be Carwin.
"You guys are jerking eachother off with some pseudo deep bullshit." - Kid Nate
If I had to guess I'd say he'll never be the same.
He was out for such a long time, pretty much a quarter of a year. And it wasn’t an injury to his knee or something where he was still able to eat right and moderately excercise other parts of his body.
Look at Shogun and Mir for some examples. Sure, they weren’t sick like Brock, but both were out of competition for extended periods of time, and it took both of them a long time to get back to where they are now. When you add in that layoff with the toll the illness has taken on his body, that is a big thing to overcome.
Then again, Lesnar is a freak of nature, so if anyone can do it he can.
It all depends on his physical and mental state going back into training. Although he’s not going to be suffering from the intestinal problems, will he still have the same drive as he did before he got sick?
If Lance Armstrong (cliche reference) is any indicator, things could get really bad for UFC heavyweights.
I still have a personal belief that Dana is making Brock’s condition sound worse than it is (he may never fight again, etc) in order to potentially garner him some new fans upon his return to the cage. I have zero evidence to support this beyond the fact that every time Dana says Brock’s career in danger or that he’s still very sick, we learn it’s not true.
It’s a total pro-wrestling move and maybe that’s not what is happening. Just a gut feeling of mine.
Heavy.com -- Lead Staff Writer
I have had the same feelings all along as well
and even said when Dana mentioned “Mayo Clinic” and “may never fight again” that it was most likely bullshit.
Say Brock is near death and he comes back looking worse, then you can say “see, I told you.” If he comes back and kicks ass like he always has, you can say “ZOMG HES INVINCIBUL”
BOOSH
It’s actually pretty smart business. I know a few casual fans who absolutely hated Brock until the illness. Now they feel sorry for him. When he comes back, that feeling will probably turn into respect for the way he came back from “certain death” to fight again.
Heavy.com -- Lead Staff Writer
By the way, this is not to say that diverticulitis is not serious. As late as last week, there were questions surrounding his future as a fighter. He’s started to get better now, but the party line from Zuffa hasn’t changed.
Heavy.com -- Lead Staff Writer
With all the luck they've had lately with fighters being unable to fight
who can really blame them, lol. Watch, as soon as Zuffa announces he’s okay he’ll drop dead from a brain aneurysm or something the next day. And why? Because God has curse Dana and the UFC for being unable to come to terms with his disciple, the one the call Fedor.
People are completely overstating the weight loss thing. When I had mono I lost 30 pounds in 3 weeks. Once he gets back on his normal diet he’ll put it all back on.
I think Dana is just hedging his bets. So many promises have fallen through that he doesnt want to guarantee anything that falls apart.
July fight
I really hope they don’t (his camp or the UFC) rush him back because a big name is needed for the Boston headliner…
I want him fighting at 150% for the Carwin fight
Don't you mean
100%, I mean he was supposed to only be fighting at 66%, but then i guess if you factor in the amount he’s been fighting at, and where he should be, then 150% might not be far off. oh never mind.
I just figured
that would be a good number to throw out there for the man child’s max fighting potential
"Please note that much of the information that came from Dana White regarding Lesnar's health has not been borne out."
That’s true. Also, much of the information that comes from Heavy.com on anything MMA related has not been borne out.
Heavy.com
Renzo fighting Hughes first? Wait, that was right.
St. Pierre and Hardy not TUF coaches? Wait, that was right.
WEC/UFC merger not happening because of TV contract? Wait, that was right.
Belfort not fighting Marquardt? Wait. that was right.
Brock/Carwin off UFC 108? Wait, that was right.
Cro Cop fighting Rothwell? Wait, that was right.
hmmm…
Carwin did not have serious knee surgery? Wait, that was right.
by Jonathan Snowden on Dec 9, 2009 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
I’d honestly like to see a list of all these MMA-related things that we’ve missed. The majority of these reports have come from me, and I pride myself on accuracy.
It’s impossible to be 100% accurate at all times because of the changing nature of the game. People get injured and fights are changed. Things happen. I missed on the Gracie/Hughes date, but at the time of the report that WAS the plan. And despite even Renzo saying that it wouldn’t be his first fight, we stood by the report. Even Renzo now confirms the story.
We don’t break a ton of stories compared to sites like MMA Junkie. But when we do have the chance to break something, we double and triple-check the story with a variety of sources, including people in the UFC who would absolutely know what is going on. Shane Carwin has learned about three of his fights being canceled directly from us.
All of this to say that I pride myself (and Heavy) on our accuracy. We’ll miss from time to time, but it’s not because we just make stuff up and run with it. When we publish something, it’s because I am comfortable in knowing that the story is true.
Heavy.com -- Lead Staff Writer
So you are saying that you do not approve of the nickname “American MMA Bay”?
The only thing Jon Jones does better than Matt Hamill is hear.
(And smash faces)
by ufc4 on Dec 9, 2009 9:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
LOL, sorry that was mean.
The only thing Jon Jones does better than Matt Hamill is hear.
(And smash faces)
by ufc4 on Dec 9, 2009 9:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Just some of our exclusive interviews
Dana, Fedor, Carwin, Hughes, Coker, Nogueira, Koscheck, Swick, Rashad….I wonder if MMABay gets these kinds of exclusives…?
Kenny Florian – 12/1/2009
Jon “Bones” Jones – 11/30/2009
Antonio Rogerio Nogueira – 11/28/2009
Anthony Johnson – 11/18/2009
Phil Baroni – 11/18/2009
Marcus Davis – 11/18/2009
Josh Koscheck – 11/16/2009
Denis Kang – 11/11/2009
Reed Harris – 11/10/2009
Mike Swick – 11/5/2009
Elvis Sinosic – 11/3/2009
Fedor Emelianenko – 11/2/2009
Gegard Mousasi – 10/28/2009
Shane Carwin – 10/26/2009
Anthony Johnson – 10/24/2009
Michael Schiavello – 10/23/2009
Eric “Red” Schafer – 10/22/2009
Mauricio “Shogun” Rua – 10/22/2009
Mike Wessel – 10/19/2009
Jason “Mayhem” Miller – 10/15/2009
Pat Barry – 10/14/2009
Cain Velasquez – 10/13/2009
Donald Cerrone – 10/10/2009
Jake Shields – 10/8/2009
Benson Henderson – 10/8/2009
Ryan Bader – 10/7/2009
Matt Hughes – 10/6/2009
Reed Harris – 9/30/2009
Shane Carwin – 9/29/2009
Tim Kennedy – 9/24/2009
Martin Kampmann – 9/17/2009
Jim Miller – 9/16/2009
Wes Sims – 9/15/2009
Marcus Jones – 9/14/2009
Dave Herman – 9/11/2009
Don Frye – 9/11/2009
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by Jonathan Snowden on Dec 9, 2009 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
MMA Bay does interview the Wolfslair fighters, though. All the time. Repeatedly.
Heavy.com -- Lead Staff Writer
Hey botter
You said “while we don’t have the actual figure that he’ll (Kimbo) make in his next fight at this point, we’ve been told that it will put him among the top tier of earners in the UFC”, any idea if this includes a PPV cut?
The only thing Jon Jones does better than Matt Hamill is hear.
(And smash faces)
I don’t know for sure about a PPV cut, but I’m 99% sure he’s going to get one if he’s in the main event or co-main of a card. His base pay is going to be pretty substantial, though, which is what I was referring to in that post.
Heavy.com -- Lead Staff Writer
So, like $200K just to show?
The only thing Jon Jones does better than Matt Hamill is hear.
(And smash faces)
I’m thinking $200k-$250k to show. Not sure about a win bonus, but $150k to win wouldn’t surprise me in the least.
Heavy.com -- Lead Staff Writer
Compare to Hendo:
100 to show, 150 to win, 100 to knock Bisping into the fifth fucking dimension. One is an Olympic athlete. One has a kickass beard. GSP, arguably the most marketable figure in MMA, is making 200 to show, 200 to win, and most likely PPV points. The numbers we are talking about each of these guys earning are comical.
There’s no “most likely” about it, GSP definitely gets a PPV cut and that’s where the real money comes from. He probably got $3 million for UFC 100.
The only thing Jon Jones does better than Matt Hamill is hear.
(And smash faces)
I’m only using disclosed, verifiable numbers. We have no factual data on much he (or anyone) gets on PPV points, so I just say $XXX and PPV. I was also a little hesitant to say he gets points without knowing for sure and didn’t want to look for an interview. Some guys have strange contracts and I obviously haven’t seen his. Trying to compare our reasonable speculation to hard, reported figures.
Most of the main eventers get PPV points. I don’t have it 100% verified, but I’ve been told by multiple people that Lesnar, Silva, GSP and Penn all get around $2 per PPV buy.
Heavy.com -- Lead Staff Writer
Kimbo’s pay may not reflect his skill level but it does reflect his track record of large draws…If he’s a major part of a PPV and wins again UFC will easily make a huge return on investment…Although money wise they should put him against someone that they know he has a chance against; I hope they don’t think we’re stupid enough not to know when they’re trying to pull the same thing EliteXC did and feed him cans.
Houston is not a can.
Do you really think that Dana knew Houston was going to perform the way he did against Kimbo. Hell most people(myself included) thought Houston was going to knock Kimbo out. Like it or not, there is a difference between matching him up with cans and matching him up with guys that are better fights for him stylistically.
Chuck too. And I think Randy, Tito, and Rampage might get points as well.
The only thing Jon Jones does better than Matt Hamill is hear.
(And smash faces)
There are others that gets points as well but I don’t know the dollar amounts.
I don’t believe Randy gets PPV points under the terms of his new contract. I think he took a higher guaranteed per-bout amount instead. I could be wrong.
Heavy.com -- Lead Staff Writer
Here’s a list of people I believe are getting points (based on Dave Meltzer and mmapayout comments:
Randy (believe still getting points but also a much larger base pay and some sort of compensation for TV)
BJ Penn
GSP
Anderson Silva
Tito Ortiz
Chuck Liddell
Brock Lesnar
And here are fighters making some sort of bonus above and beyond the listed ($100,000+?)
Lyoto Machida
Forest Griffin
Matt Hughes
Rashard Evans
Big Nog
Rich Franklin
For ppv cuts the basic formula (again based on Meltzer and mmapayout – who knows if they are accurate but they are usually the closest) is supposedly:
$1 per buy from 100,000-175,000 buys
$1,5 per buy from 175,000-300,000
$2 per buy from $300,000-330,00
$3 per buy above $330,000
In addition Brock supposedly had a $4 and $5 tier (I believe from Meltzer but I can’t remember).
$4 would kick in around 600,000 and $5 at a million. The ppv buys are originally from Randy’s leaked contract and supposedly is the current standard for stars. The other numbers and names were taken from Meltzer and other sources, Unfortunately I do not have a subscription with WO so I can’t provide the links, but I believe my memory is serving me right. If anyone remembers when he talked the specifics about star contracts and can provide a link for me that would be great. Or correct me if I am mistaken. Thanks.
by John Nash on Dec 10, 2009 12:33 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Those numbers from Randy’s deal came out over a year ago, I doubt they still use that same formula now that they are regularly doing shows with 500,000+ buys.
The only thing Jon Jones does better than Matt Hamill is hear.
(And smash faces)
by ufc4 on Dec 10, 2009 9:08 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think he mentioned that. Before Randy’s deal was rare – only he and Chuck and Tito had it -now it’s the norm for the top 8-10 stars. Also note: more buys would indicate a better deal since everything above 330,000 buys is $3 a buy. So if you used to do 400,000 buys and now do 600,000 not only did your bonus go from $532,500 to $1,132,500 but your average per buy went from $1.33 to 1.89. In addition, supposedly a new tier of $4 and maybe $5 was added. I don’t know if this is true or if contract is still used, but if you use this formula George St. Pierre avereages about $2.5 per buy and Brock about $3 which jives with how much their ppv cut is supposed to pay.
This figured came from either mmapayout or Wrestling Observer over this summer during the Fedor negotiations, and they seemed to suggest they were still in use. If anyone can find that article and the link I would appreciate it.
by John Nash on Dec 10, 2009 11:21 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Right.
I’ve heard a lot of vague things but never any specific numbers. Have you noticed a trend of managers to love talking [off the record] about the contracts of everyone who isn’t their client while refusing to give details on their own? The pattern leads to a TON of rumors…
Overkill. I am just happy we have our own troll focused on something other than me being a jerk!
by Jonathan Snowden on Dec 9, 2009 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
In fairness you have been a lot less jerky lately.
The only thing Jon Jones does better than Matt Hamill is hear.
(And smash faces)
I am a lovely person and aim to prove it. Plus discharge from the Army has improved my mood!
by Jonathan Snowden on Dec 9, 2009 11:59 PM EST up reply actions
ETA on any of the book projects you’re working on?
The only thing Jon Jones does better than Matt Hamill is hear.
(And smash faces)
we finished the first draft of the next book last month. I’d guess summer 2010 if I had to pull a date out of the air. I think it will end up being really nice, a big upgrade over the first book. So much will depend on how it is put together and the art, but I feel pretty good about my part.
by Jonathan Snowden on Dec 10, 2009 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
God bless America
but when my dad was discharged from Navy it was a damn great day. welcome home for good
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
by Anthony Pace on Dec 10, 2009 6:00 AM EST up reply actions
I’m thinking $200k-$250k to show. Not sure about a win bonus, but $150k to win wouldn’t surprise me in the least.
Heavy.com -- Lead Staff Writer
I notice you're forgetting the time
you said that Strikeforce was held in Chicago when it was actually held in a suburb of Chicago?!?!
J’accuse sir! J’accuse!
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Diverticulitis is a chronic condition
It actually runs in my family. It is not career ending but Brock will have to pay much more attention to his diet.
He basically has pockets in his intestines that can catch some of the food that he eats and not let go. He will have to eat a lot more fiber to counteract that.
Dear lord...
BROCKLESNER on fiber overload….he will now be known as CHETLESNAR…
by Koob on Dec 9, 2009 10:37 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
So is Carwin not gonna fight tell then?
Kimbo wants to take your caterpiller and do bad things to it.
I was told, by someone in the know, that Shane can fight someone else if he wants in between, but that he can also wait on Lesnar. It will be up to him.
by Jonathan Snowden on Dec 10, 2009 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
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