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Shinya Aoki May Be Headed to Strikeforce in 2010 But He Won't Be Wearing His Pants

Is this the Shinya Aoki that American fans will have to settle for? It's like seeing a peacock shorn of his feathers.

Per MMA Weekly, the good news:

Shinya Aoki could make his Strikeforce debut in March, according to the San Jose, Calif.-based promotion's CEO.

Scott Coker on Monday told MMAWeekly.com that "dialogue was continuing" with Aoki's camp and follow-up meetings were planned during a trip to Japan for Dynamite! Dream vs. Sengoku on New Year's Eve.

"I do believe Aoki will probably be here fighting for Strikeforce in March sometime," he said.

And the bad news:

Of course, with an American debut, Aoki would likely have to swap his pants for run-of-the-mill fight shorts.

As fun as it is to anticipate Aoki's American debut, if you read closely, you'll note that nothing is signed and all we really have is Scott Coker's sincere desire to bring Aoki to Strikeforce. But Coker, uniquely among American promoters has got a proven track record of bringing over top Japanese talent, including Kasuo Misaki and Mitsuhiro Ishida.

On the issue of the grappling pants, Aoki has told Michael David Smith it's immaterial:

I asked Aoki in an e-mail interview set up by Dream whether his pants aid his grappling skills, and his response (as translated by a Dream PR representative) indicated that he wasn't too pleased with my question.

"It is nothing to do with my grappling skills," Aoki replied. "Anybody who has experience of grappling should know about this. This questions seems for non professional."

Precedents are rapidly being set in stone for the complete elimination of not just Aoki style long legged grappling shorts, but other designs that enhance fighters' gripping abilities. As Zak Woods argued, there's a good reason for this:

WKR certainly understands the ban as long as it is shown that the shorts do provide an advantage compared to other athletic apparel.

A commission's duty is to keep an equal playing field for all competitors. Part of that duty is combating unfair technological advantages. Sports fans saw one such incident in international swimming earlier this summer.  When  Milorad Cavic defeated Michael Phelps in Rome the Serbia swimmer was wearing a new Arena X-Glide swimsuit. It was determined that the technologically superior suit gave Cavic an unfair advantage and the Arena X-Glide suit was recently banned from international competition.

On the other hand there is already a set precedent for equipment that allows fighters to more easily perform their speciality: mma gloves. When they were first introduced by Tank Abbott at UFC 6 they were immediately controversial and perceived as giving strikers an unfair advantage.

I believe mma gloves are essential. Mainly because I like to see good punching exchanges.

But there is a cost to mma gloves -- they make securing submissions, especially the rear naked choke much harder. This makes fights that should have been over go longer, results in more decisions, and lots of stalling while fighters have overwhelmingly dominant position but can't capitalize because their opponent is grabbing their gloves and they're not allowed to strike at the back of the head.

And that's not even getting into the reality that many many pro-fighters practice very advanced arts of oiling up their bodies via baths before fight time so that they appear dry and clean upon entering the cage but once they start sweating they're oozing oil from every pore.

But I'm willing to make that compromise....IF we accept that something should be done to make it easier to get submissions.

There is a simple, elegant solution.

Mandate that all fighters wear Aoki style grappling pants. That eliminates the unfair advantage argument, maintains a level playing field AND encourages more submissions.

The only argument against it comes from those who fear and hate the art of submission fighting. Because really, what's wrong with seeing more submissions?

It's not like Aoki's pants suddenly transform him into a submission king. If I were wearing Aoki pants I'd be just as hapless and harmless as ever, just like donning a pair of mma gloves won't turn me into a knock out king. The fighters still have to get the submissions, they just have a slighty easier time.

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Why can't he wear the pants?

Doesn’t Lyle “Fancy Pants” Beerbohm basically wear the same thing?

by HappyLittleTreez on Dec 9, 2009 1:32 PM EST reply actions  

No

Lyle’s are shorts, just a tighter spandex-style like GSP, Shogun, Rashad, etc:

by Scott Haber on Dec 9, 2009 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Mandate that all fighters wear Aoki-style pants?

…Do you really want to see Tim Sylvia in these?

by gzl5000 on Dec 9, 2009 1:32 PM EST reply actions  

how so?

any more than striking noobs are disadvantaged by wearing gloves?

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by Kid Nate on Dec 9, 2009 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

leg locks can be applied easier..

so if i suck at my guard or at jiujitsu anyway, why would I wear those pants?

imagine if brock lesnar fought Frank Mir the first time with those pants , it’d be much easier to grab a hold off.. (well he still got subbed, but you know what i mean) ..Striking noobs aren’t gonna be disadvantaged as much as the grappling noobs wearing pants..

If you want the pants thing in the unified rules, it’s better just allowing anyone who wants to use it, rather than forcing everyone to wear them, in my opinion.

by Anton Tabuena on Dec 9, 2009 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Making it optional seems like the solution. That was easy.

by John Nash on Dec 9, 2009 2:04 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

also,

the reason why they allowed the gloves, because how ever minimal it puts noobs at a disadvantage, that is outweighed by the positives, which is protected hands/knuckles, and less injuries (and cuts) for both competitors..

The pants would just be for? It’s sole purpose is to avoid making their legs slippery and to be able to grab a hold of the opponent better, so I kinda get why commissions don’t allow it.

…and about the oiling, and to a certain extent, the grabbing of the gloves, those aren’t legal anyway, so while it still happens, there are rules set to minimize those occurrences. It’s unfair to bring those up because oiling shouldn’t be allowed anyway.

And don’t get me wrong, I am okay with allowing grappling pants, but i get why the commissions don’t allow it.. What I am against though, is forcing everyone to wear a certain kind of outfit, when the sole reason for it is to make grappling easier (compared to the mandatory gloves and cups, which are there to protect the competitors).. Forcing them to wear it, just puts unnecessary disadvantages to other people.

….IF they allow (not force) it though, I can’t wait to see this:

by Anton Tabuena on Dec 9, 2009 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

With the MMA gloves, what are the other options here, really? From what I can tell, there is bare knuckle and boxing gloves. MMA fights start standing up, so a fighter will need to learn how to punch whether they are a BJJ fighter or a wrestler. I’m okay with the Aoki pants, I just don’t like when people use MMA gloves giving an added advantage to strikers as some sort of counter-argument.

by chrisbboy82 on Dec 10, 2009 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Shinya Aoki Can Wear His Pants

Just book that show in Virgina.

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by Brett Jones on Dec 9, 2009 1:38 PM EST reply actions  

Or Virginia, even.

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by Brett Jones on Dec 9, 2009 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Too bad, it's kinda his trademark, but that's how the unified rules work.

I expect to see him in brightly colored americana style vale tudo shorts. It’s the closest he can get to maintain his image/trademark look while following USMMA rules.

by pdl on Dec 9, 2009 1:46 PM EST reply actions  

Thanks for the visual O_O

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by xFenixKnightx on Dec 9, 2009 1:47 PM EST reply actions  

look at George Stepenopolos at the last UFC his legs were almost completely covered even had the ankle supports, this is the way to go in the us if your a grappler.

by Kefka on Dec 9, 2009 1:47 PM EST reply actions  

yep, my point exactly..

Aoki will be fine wearing something like this.. (i bet he won’t wear the shorts though)

by Anton Tabuena on Dec 9, 2009 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

This is why I don’t get why they ban long pants in the first place.

by kid_eh on Dec 9, 2009 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

In that case, there will be some very awkward moments when someone applies a triangle choke.

by John Nash on Dec 9, 2009 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

What was that hold Marcus Jones likes to use? “The Darkness”?

by dancingChicken on Dec 9, 2009 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

The title is confusing and disturbing.

by dancingChicken on Dec 9, 2009 2:00 PM EST reply actions  

Not if you know who Aoki is.

by CSKit on Dec 9, 2009 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Even when you know who he is.

by dancingChicken on Dec 9, 2009 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

This is the best title I’ve read all month!

by casey manrique on Dec 9, 2009 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Roy Nelson is grappling pants!?!

Thanks for that visual.

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by Gygax on Dec 9, 2009 2:24 PM EST reply actions  

Hey, what was with giving Demogorgon so many hit points?

by John Nash on Dec 9, 2009 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Why would strikers have a problem with the pants? What about K1 standout, Andy Souwer?

I am blinded by a sea of green.

by bubbafat on Dec 9, 2009 2:37 PM EST reply actions  

Actually K1 banned those long pants.

by dancingChicken on Dec 9, 2009 2:48 PM EST up reply actions  

When?

I am blinded by a sea of green.

by bubbafat on Dec 10, 2009 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d rather not have any of those mandates. Let people not wear gloves if they want, let people wear or not wear the pants if they want. I see not a lot of upsides to mandating and a lot of downsides.

But I’m a bit of a closet anarchist though. I think the byproducts of most laws and mandates are poopy, and prefer the freedom of choice.

by Dooda on Dec 9, 2009 2:40 PM EST reply actions  

I didn’t want to say anything, but I have it on good authority that the unified rules as of 2011 are going to require a very special uniform. I was able to obtain this pic of Jon Jones testing it out at the super secret MMA testing center in Colorado Springs. It makes him look so explosive!
speed

by casey manrique on Dec 9, 2009 2:49 PM EST reply actions  

I think with ankle wraps and knee protectors you could get almost the same effect.

I dislike Matt Hughes. Shogun beat him like a dirty horse.

by MonkeyCHops on Dec 9, 2009 3:14 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

SCOOP:

Fan Question: “I hear AOKI fight in March SF….SF champs come to Japan?”

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by MMASuPreMaCy on Dec 9, 2009 3:30 PM EST reply actions  

We’ll see. Hope so.

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by Brett Jones on Dec 9, 2009 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I vote they bring the option to wear gi back.

Ricky Hatton came closer to beating Manny Pacquiao than Marquez did to beating Floyd.

-SC

by The Lethal Haze on Dec 9, 2009 3:30 PM EST reply actions  

The Roger Gracie will just choke everyone.

I dislike Matt Hughes. Shogun beat him like a dirty horse.

by MonkeyCHops on Dec 9, 2009 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m for anything that discourages wrestlers from pinning their opponents, L&Ping and stinking out a decision victory.

Plus the gi could be used to choke out the wearer too… you just have to be skilled at BJJ. And isn’t BJJ proficiency already a requirement if you want to excel at MMA?

Ricky Hatton came closer to beating Manny Pacquiao than Marquez did to beating Floyd.

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by The Lethal Haze on Dec 9, 2009 3:54 PM EST reply actions  

reply fail

that was supposed to be to you, MonkeyCHops

Ricky Hatton came closer to beating Manny Pacquiao than Marquez did to beating Floyd.

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by The Lethal Haze on Dec 9, 2009 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Aoki will do great in SF's weak LW division

But he would get smashed in the UFC, let’s be real. His main weakness is his inability to take shots on the ground, and their is a murderers row of LWs in the UFC who would put a beating on him.

by fozo on Dec 9, 2009 4:00 PM EST reply actions  

Royce Gracie wore a gi when he fought. Everyone else should have to wear a gi.

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by Brett Jones on Dec 9, 2009 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

If we are going to mandate one guys clothes/equipment be applied to everyone I vote Art Jimmerson.

I dislike Matt Hughes. Shogun beat him like a dirty horse.

by MonkeyCHops on Dec 9, 2009 5:55 PM EST reply actions  

Aoki is amazing but i believe the wrestling heavy LW division in the UFC would tool him. Guys like Gray Maynard, Clay Guida, and the YUS man just to name a few. Then you have the others like Bj, Kenny, sherk etc

by Riley_96 on Dec 9, 2009 7:15 PM EST reply actions  

As always, I think the best argument against the idea that the pants offer a great advantage is the fact that so few other people in Japan use them. The country is full of sub grappling guys, anyone can wear the pants, and yet they’re not associated with anyone but Aoki.

Hell, Imanari and Kitaoka, who train with Aoki and are both leglock artists that would probably benefit from extra grip, don’t even wear them.

The natural conclusion to draw from this, IMO, is that the pants don’t really offer that great of an advantage.

by JRN on Dec 11, 2009 1:22 AM EST reply actions  

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