Shinya Aoki May Be Headed to Strikeforce in 2010 But He Won't Be Wearing His Pants
Per MMA Weekly, the good news:
Shinya Aoki could make his Strikeforce debut in March, according to the San Jose, Calif.-based promotion's CEO.
Scott Coker on Monday told MMAWeekly.com that "dialogue was continuing" with Aoki's camp and follow-up meetings were planned during a trip to Japan for Dynamite! Dream vs. Sengoku on New Year's Eve.
"I do believe Aoki will probably be here fighting for Strikeforce in March sometime," he said.
And the bad news:
Of course, with an American debut, Aoki would likely have to swap his pants for run-of-the-mill fight shorts.
As fun as it is to anticipate Aoki's American debut, if you read closely, you'll note that nothing is signed and all we really have is Scott Coker's sincere desire to bring Aoki to Strikeforce. But Coker, uniquely among American promoters has got a proven track record of bringing over top Japanese talent, including Kasuo Misaki and Mitsuhiro Ishida.
On the issue of the grappling pants, Aoki has told Michael David Smith it's immaterial:
I asked Aoki in an e-mail interview set up by Dream whether his pants aid his grappling skills, and his response (as translated by a Dream PR representative) indicated that he wasn't too pleased with my question.
"It is nothing to do with my grappling skills," Aoki replied. "Anybody who has experience of grappling should know about this. This questions seems for non professional."
Precedents are rapidly being set in stone for the complete elimination of not just Aoki style long legged grappling shorts, but other designs that enhance fighters' gripping abilities. As Zak Woods argued, there's a good reason for this:
WKR certainly understands the ban as long as it is shown that the shorts do provide an advantage compared to other athletic apparel.
A commission's duty is to keep an equal playing field for all competitors. Part of that duty is combating unfair technological advantages. Sports fans saw one such incident in international swimming earlier this summer. When Milorad Cavic defeated Michael Phelps in Rome the Serbia swimmer was wearing a new Arena X-Glide swimsuit. It was determined that the technologically superior suit gave Cavic an unfair advantage and the Arena X-Glide suit was recently banned from international competition.
On the other hand there is already a set precedent for equipment that allows fighters to more easily perform their speciality: mma gloves. When they were first introduced by Tank Abbott at UFC 6 they were immediately controversial and perceived as giving strikers an unfair advantage.
I believe mma gloves are essential. Mainly because I like to see good punching exchanges.
But there is a cost to mma gloves -- they make securing submissions, especially the rear naked choke much harder. This makes fights that should have been over go longer, results in more decisions, and lots of stalling while fighters have overwhelmingly dominant position but can't capitalize because their opponent is grabbing their gloves and they're not allowed to strike at the back of the head.
And that's not even getting into the reality that many many pro-fighters practice very advanced arts of oiling up their bodies via baths before fight time so that they appear dry and clean upon entering the cage but once they start sweating they're oozing oil from every pore.
But I'm willing to make that compromise....IF we accept that something should be done to make it easier to get submissions.
There is a simple, elegant solution.
Mandate that all fighters wear Aoki style grappling pants. That eliminates the unfair advantage argument, maintains a level playing field AND encourages more submissions.
The only argument against it comes from those who fear and hate the art of submission fighting. Because really, what's wrong with seeing more submissions?
It's not like Aoki's pants suddenly transform him into a submission king. If I were wearing Aoki pants I'd be just as hapless and harmless as ever, just like donning a pair of mma gloves won't turn me into a knock out king. The fighters still have to get the submissions, they just have a slighty easier time.
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He can always wear tights that's until above the knee, and some knee pads right?
that’s almost the same as this, so I guess he’d be content to work with that..

Why can't he wear the pants?
Doesn’t Lyle “Fancy Pants” Beerbohm basically wear the same thing?
by HappyLittleTreez on Dec 9, 2009 1:32 PM EST reply actions
and grappling noobs will be at a disadvantage wearing those pants.
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 9, 2009 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
how so?
any more than striking noobs are disadvantaged by wearing gloves?
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leg locks can be applied easier..
so if i suck at my guard or at jiujitsu anyway, why would I wear those pants?
imagine if brock lesnar fought Frank Mir the first time with those pants , it’d be much easier to grab a hold off.. (well he still got subbed, but you know what i mean) ..Striking noobs aren’t gonna be disadvantaged as much as the grappling noobs wearing pants..
If you want the pants thing in the unified rules, it’s better just allowing anyone who wants to use it, rather than forcing everyone to wear them, in my opinion.
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 9, 2009 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
Making it optional seems like the solution. That was easy.
by John Nash on Dec 9, 2009 2:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
also,
the reason why they allowed the gloves, because how ever minimal it puts noobs at a disadvantage, that is outweighed by the positives, which is protected hands/knuckles, and less injuries (and cuts) for both competitors..
The pants would just be for? It’s sole purpose is to avoid making their legs slippery and to be able to grab a hold of the opponent better, so I kinda get why commissions don’t allow it.
…and about the oiling, and to a certain extent, the grabbing of the gloves, those aren’t legal anyway, so while it still happens, there are rules set to minimize those occurrences. It’s unfair to bring those up because oiling shouldn’t be allowed anyway.
And don’t get me wrong, I am okay with allowing grappling pants, but i get why the commissions don’t allow it.. What I am against though, is forcing everyone to wear a certain kind of outfit, when the sole reason for it is to make grappling easier (compared to the mandatory gloves and cups, which are there to protect the competitors).. Forcing them to wear it, just puts unnecessary disadvantages to other people.
….IF they allow (not force) it though, I can’t wait to see this:

by Anton Tabuena on Dec 9, 2009 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
With the MMA gloves, what are the other options here, really? From what I can tell, there is bare knuckle and boxing gloves. MMA fights start standing up, so a fighter will need to learn how to punch whether they are a BJJ fighter or a wrestler. I’m okay with the Aoki pants, I just don’t like when people use MMA gloves giving an added advantage to strikers as some sort of counter-argument.
by chrisbboy82 on Dec 10, 2009 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
Shinya Aoki Can Wear His Pants
Just book that show in Virgina.
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by Brett Jones on Dec 9, 2009 1:38 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Too bad, it's kinda his trademark, but that's how the unified rules work.
I expect to see him in brightly colored americana style vale tudo shorts. It’s the closest he can get to maintain his image/trademark look while following USMMA rules.
Thanks for the visual O_O
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look at George Stepenopolos at the last UFC his legs were almost completely covered even had the ankle supports, this is the way to go in the us if your a grappler.
yep, my point exactly..
Aoki will be fine wearing something like this.. (i bet he won’t wear the shorts though)
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 9, 2009 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
To eliminate all equipmental unfair advantages, let's just bring MMA full-circle and compete in the nude, like the ancient Greeks.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Dec 9, 2009 1:50 PM EST reply actions
What was that hold Marcus Jones likes to use? “The Darkness”?
by dancingChicken on Dec 9, 2009 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
This is the best title I’ve read all month!
by casey manrique on Dec 9, 2009 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
Why would strikers have a problem with the pants? What about K1 standout, Andy Souwer?
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I’d rather not have any of those mandates. Let people not wear gloves if they want, let people wear or not wear the pants if they want. I see not a lot of upsides to mandating and a lot of downsides.
But I’m a bit of a closet anarchist though. I think the byproducts of most laws and mandates are poopy, and prefer the freedom of choice.
I think with ankle wraps and knee protectors you could get almost the same effect.
I dislike Matt Hughes. Shogun beat him like a dirty horse.
by MonkeyCHops on Dec 9, 2009 3:14 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
SCOOP:
Fan Question: “I hear AOKI fight in March SF….SF champs come to Japan?”
Tanigawa: “YES!! it is100%!!”
I vote they bring the option to wear gi back.
Ricky Hatton came closer to beating Manny Pacquiao than Marquez did to beating Floyd.
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I’m for anything that discourages wrestlers from pinning their opponents, L&Ping and stinking out a decision victory.
Plus the gi could be used to choke out the wearer too… you just have to be skilled at BJJ. And isn’t BJJ proficiency already a requirement if you want to excel at MMA?
Ricky Hatton came closer to beating Manny Pacquiao than Marquez did to beating Floyd.
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that was supposed to be to you, MonkeyCHops
Ricky Hatton came closer to beating Manny Pacquiao than Marquez did to beating Floyd.
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by The Lethal Haze on Dec 9, 2009 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
Aoki will do great in SF's weak LW division
But he would get smashed in the UFC, let’s be real. His main weakness is his inability to take shots on the ground, and their is a murderers row of LWs in the UFC who would put a beating on him.
mandating that everybody wears pants cause one guy does is a terrible idea.
by willydynamite on Dec 9, 2009 4:13 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Royce Gracie wore a gi when he fought. Everyone else should have to wear a gi.
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As always, I think the best argument against the idea that the pants offer a great advantage is the fact that so few other people in Japan use them. The country is full of sub grappling guys, anyone can wear the pants, and yet they’re not associated with anyone but Aoki.
Hell, Imanari and Kitaoka, who train with Aoki and are both leglock artists that would probably benefit from extra grip, don’t even wear them.
The natural conclusion to draw from this, IMO, is that the pants don’t really offer that great of an advantage.

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