Zuffa Bans Hoelzer Reich as a Fighter Sponsor
by Kid Nate on Dec 9, 2009 8:59 AM EST
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Maggie Hendricks gets the story:
World Extreme Cagefighting general manager Reed Harris told Cagewriter that Zuffa fighters will no longer be allowed to wear Hoelzer Reich clothing in their fights. (Zuffa owns botht the UFC and WEC.)
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It does not matter what the iron cross, SS or any of the other symbols meant before they were used by Nazis, or how brief the association was with Nazi Germany. The evil committed by Adolf Hitler and the Third Reich ensured that those symbols will always come to symbolize the worst of humanity.
This is good news and I'm very proud of the work that our own Brent Brookhouse did pushing this story along. I'd also like to commend Maggie, Fightlinker, Zak Woods, Middle Easy, the Savage Science and especially the UG community for their coverage of this story. Together we sent a message that there is no place in MMA for those who want to soft pedal Nazism.
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Hooray!
Brent murdered WAMMA and HR!
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
by Blackout612 on Dec 8, 2009 6:57 PM EST reply actions 11 recs
Neither is HR
But they’re both zombies.
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
I love me some Nazi Zombies
"I fight because I can’t sing, I can’t dance, and it beats working all day. Now ask me a question that doesn’t sound so fucking stupid." – Phil Baroni
by midwestbred on Dec 8, 2009 7:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
How DARE you?!
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
by Blackout612 on Dec 8, 2009 7:03 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
There is no forgiveness.
I specializes in grammar fail.
by a tommy point on Dec 9, 2009 2:05 AM EST up reply actions
Lyle Beerbohm is still wearing HR gear in Strikeforce
Getting them banned from Zuffa is huge, but it’s time to work on Strikeforce now.
To be fair, he hasn’t worn it for a Strikeforce event yet. But yes, SF should follow suit.
by JRN on Dec 8, 2009 7:33 PM EST up reply actions
Great Job Brent, Nate. I look up to all you cats at Bloody Elbow. And, that’s for real.
by The Bronzeville Bully on Dec 8, 2009 6:58 PM EST reply actions
Great news.
Hopefully the fighters affected and can find new, better sponsors.
YUS!!!
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Dec 8, 2009 7:01 PM EST reply actions
It might be a little late, the Sports Business Journal Picked up on it
by The Bronzeville Bully on Dec 8, 2009 7:04 PM EST reply actions
I wonder if that’s the reason it’s pulled?
by The Bronzeville Bully on Dec 8, 2009 7:47 PM EST up reply actions
It's great new I guess
But I’m going to kind of miss getting into debates over WWII strategies, the origins of the CIvil War, and what’s the best revenge fantasy film ever made (I’m going to go with Rolling Thunder today).
that's a great album
Bob Stinson RIP
The best bad guitarist of all time!
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While I don't agree with this...
It does not matter what the iron cross, SS or any of the other symbols meant before they were used by Nazis, or how brief the association was with Nazi Germany. The evil committed by Adolf Hitler and the Third Reich ensured that those symbols will always come to symbolize the worst of humanity.
I’m happy to see these guys get banned. They clearly are more affiliated with Nazi culture than they pretend.
I think we can all agree...
This was for the best.
Glad to see Zuffa spring in to action. I can picture Dana looking at the pictures Fightlinker put up the following dialogue.
Dana: Well thats not so bad-….wait…wait what? …What the FUCK? This made it on the air? Shit! Thank god Bob Arum is too damn old to use a computer.
"You guys are jerking eachother off with some pseudo deep bullshit." - Kid Nate
By far the best summation of the whole HR mess
by Steve4192 on Dec 8, 2009 7:13 PM EST up reply actions 10 recs
They never choode who wears their shirts
But they often choose who does.
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
definite typo
he was obviously trying to say something about “chodes,” most probably in reference to himself
he was injured. injured bad.
All their stuff is fugly anyway.
Stop making Bob Arum look like he actually had some sense, hoelzer reich!
Mauricio Shogun Rua #1 LHW in the World. The TRUE Champion.
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Dec 8, 2009 8:38 PM EST up reply actions
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
by Anthony Pace on Dec 8, 2009 7:19 PM EST up reply actions 10 recs
Thats a Rec.
Mauricio Shogun Rua #1 LHW in the World. The TRUE Champion.
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Dec 8, 2009 8:38 PM EST up reply actions
Walking the line between intelligence and ignorance since 1985
@deowade
by Damon O. on Dec 8, 2009 9:41 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Sad or awesome?
I’ll never forget seeing Harley Race trip on the apron and break his hip when he used to manage Lex Luger.
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
I have fond memories of of a friend of mine’s mother taking us to the Omni in Atlanta to see the Freebirds vs the four horsemen
YES
I miss that piece of crap Omni so much. Got Steve Smith’s autograph from the last good Hawks team until their recent resurgence, it was so easy to just walk down to the court, no one gave a shit, lol
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
by Anthony Pace on Dec 8, 2009 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
we'll pressure them too
Showtime and CBS are going to want nothing to do with this. And unlike the UFC, Strikeforce actually responds when we contact them.
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And unlike the UFC, Strikeforce actually responds when we contact them.
LOL
Hi guys, I am no longer sponsored by this company. The first I heard about them was two days ago when my manager asked me to pose for pictures with their tshirt on. I thought that the imagery was a but ‘funny’ so when I got back to my hotel I checked them out and I wasnt happy with being associated with them. I have now broken ties with them and will not be sponsored by them for this fight or any further fight.
This is not what I really want to be doing on fight day but I feel strongly about it and I woudn’t want my fans to think that I had let them down.
Ross ‘the real deal’ Pearson
Although...
to be fair the UFC got back to me ULTRA quick about the situation tonight. I just had taken my wife to dinner so I wasn’t around to post it.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 8, 2009 8:14 PM EST up reply actions
Awesome.
I just wanted to make sure everyone remembered that there is more than one MMA promoter with a national TV contract. Having this shit associated with MMA is embarrassing, regardless of who the promoter is.
I came to this thread to say congrats and thanks to Brent, Nate, and the BE staff and community
but then you said “for shizzle.” In light of this recent development, I want to say thanks to Brent, Nate, and the BE staff and community.
by pdl on Dec 8, 2009 8:09 PM EST up reply actions 8 recs
You realize “BE staff” includes Nate right?
The only thing Jon Jones does better than Matt Hamill is hear.
(And smash faces)
by ufc4 on Dec 8, 2009 8:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yes, The Allies
"Mindwarp earthlings seek to change our path" - Nick Blinko
by Skoobs on Dec 8, 2009 8:52 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I'm glad to see this.
Thank you to everyone who had any part in making this happen.
Just BE.
“Neo Nazis — 0”
Every MMA blog and messageboards has been talking about this brand for about a week (and this isn’t even the first time), which is more than could be said for practically any other fight sponsor that I can recall.
By sponsoring three fighters HR has made their brand one of the most recognized, most talked about and most controversial sponsors in MMA.
You could say Brent/we “won” by their departure from Zuffa, but HR likely has the best cost:return of sponsorship money in the history of our sport.
Dear Brent
Next please get Tito banned from doing any interviews or commentary.
I dislike Matt Hughes. Shogun beat him like a dirty horse.
by MonkeyCHops on Dec 8, 2009 7:33 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
or lava
I dislike Matt Hughes. Shogun beat him like a dirty horse.
by MonkeyCHops on Dec 8, 2009 7:35 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Yeah
I think they’ll fall in love after they compare grenade tattoos.
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
fuck a neo nazi
The path to my fixed purpose is laid with iron rails, whereon my soul is grooved to run. Towards thee I roll, thou all-destroying but unconquering BROCKLESNAR; to the last I grapple with thee.
Now that they have been banned, Hoelzer Reich has decided to just admit it and go fulkl nazi.
The newest additions to their t-shirt line …..
Feel free to design your own
images courtesy of UG member McSluggaCrackedMySkull
by Steve4192 on Dec 8, 2009 7:42 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
the second one is hilarious
Hitler: “I’m looking for something that says, ‘Dad likes leather.’”
Salesman: “You mean, like a Leather Daddy?”
Hitler: “Oh! Is there such a thing?”
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
by Anthony Pace on Dec 8, 2009 7:48 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
yes, he also had an amazing signature guillotine
by Austin Martin on Dec 8, 2009 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
Even Fedor has abs on his cardboard cutout.
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
those aren’t abs, just individual scoops of ice cream cleverly placed
by Austin Martin on Dec 8, 2009 7:56 PM EST up reply actions
Good Move.
Fuck these fence sitting bitches and anyone that defends them.
Might as well put a swazi on a shirt, then defend its symbolism as being hijacked by the nazis. What a joke.
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
actually a good friend of mine is indian, and his family has had artwork with swastikas in their family for a while. it WAS hijacked by nazis. i still have a problem with the goosestepping bastards, just saying tho
by Austin Martin on Dec 8, 2009 7:51 PM EST up reply actions
Of course it was.
That’s a fact.
It’s also a shitty excuse that an owner of a clothing line will use to sit on a fence, and soft pedal this to a bunch of bonehead nazis and internet racists.
Walk like a duck, right?
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
then its a nazi duck. now what if the duck was buddhist?
by Austin Martin on Dec 8, 2009 7:57 PM EST up reply actions
i’m just saying, buddhist ducks and nazi ducks can look similar, but with completely different intentions
by Austin Martin on Dec 8, 2009 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
Still not a Nazi
Just sayin’.
"(Brock Lesnar) is never in good spirits and he's not in good spirits now." - Dana White
by duck on Dec 8, 2009 8:26 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I hate uniforms
and they button those collars all the way up to their necks. Yuck.
And the whole genocide thing, too.
"(Brock Lesnar) is never in good spirits and he's not in good spirits now." - Dana White
Good for you both
"(Brock Lesnar) is never in good spirits and he's not in good spirits now." - Dana White
“The Fantastic Mr. Fox” couldn’t wait?
The only thing Jon Jones does better than Matt Hamill is hear.
(And smash faces)
by ufc4 on Dec 8, 2009 8:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm guessing "The Blind Side"
I had no idea what a chick movie that was going to turn out to be.
"(Brock Lesnar) is never in good spirits and he's not in good spirits now." - Dana White
Haha...
we didn’t “go to a movie” we stayed in and watched one, did some christmas stuff, she made dinner…etc
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 8, 2009 8:39 PM EST up reply actions
Not quite. She’s making cards with food names on them for our christmas cocktail party next weekend and I’m watching Deadwood.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 8, 2009 8:56 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Hey Brent
I might have missed something in the other post (it happens quite often) but you mentioned that they never said they didn’t support the neo-nazi cause. I was reading around on a few other sites and found this response from the owner over at Hoelzer Reich. Before I post the quote, I should make it clear that I find the shirts offensive being of German ancestry and can tell you from experience that you’d get your ass kicked for wearing something like that in a German city.
While I know they wouldn’t be stupid enough to say “we support the ideals and ideas of neo-nazis” they have said they don’t. Just thought you’d like to know that’s all. For what it’s worth………..
We do not support the Neo Nazi "cause," nor do we promote any racist ideologies…………………Hoelzer Reich Clothing is not racist in any way, nor do we sell, advertise, or have any connections with Neo Nazi’s, Northern Hammerskins, or any other group that has a negative cause.
Actually
We’ve seen these quotes. He was more interested in them saying that they’re against racism/neo-nazism, which they conveniently ignored.
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
Right...
they don’t “promote it”
Also, I chose not to print their statement for a multitude of reasons. Including that they call Ed Wolbank a “rumored” neo nazi/hammerskin. There is no rumor to it at all. They’re going out of their way to defend a man who has ran white power record labels, led a major hate group, was in one of the largest white power bands in history, has an album by his current band released on a label that promotes their artists by saying they’re “firing up the oven again,” …etc. None of these things are rumors. They are facts.
If they’re going to take steps to defend a man like Ed Wolbank I’m not going to print what amounts to an advertisement of their brand.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 8, 2009 8:25 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
are they baking cookies? or brownies? they might wanna call nick diaz
by Austin Martin on Dec 8, 2009 8:29 PM EST up reply actions
Right on and good on you. Again I just missed it in the original post where you were more interested in them coming out and saying they were AGAINST neo-nazi ideals/ideas my fault. Man I knew I’d miss something!!
Great job in contributing to get these “guys” out of the UFC. Any chance you send similar stuff over to Strikeforce?
I found the whole “we are not neo nazi’s we are just guys who like the symbols” argument to be utterly ridiculous. I mean come on that is the most pathetic excuse ever.
You mean if I went to Atlanta and walked around in a "KKK looking " outfit, I couldn’t just say that I like white robes? Dang there goes my weekend.
step on MLK blvd and see what happens
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
Is every MLK blvd kind of in the hood?
by The Bronzeville Bully on Dec 8, 2009 9:39 PM EST up reply actions
yes
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
by Anthony Pace on Dec 8, 2009 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
Damn I mean I just really like wearing my white robe and hood, I mean it’s comfy, laid back and yeah I know in the past it has represented bad things, but I don’t promote them….I’m just looking to have a good time.
Oh well I’m sure if you take the time to explain it to them before they start punching you they will understand. Of course if you had “I hads dain bramage an donts no wats I is doins” embroidered on your robe then you can save yourself a lot of trouble. There’s nothing like a good disclaimer that your not a racist your just ignorant to fix everything.
To be honest, not really.
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by FlyByKnight on Dec 8, 2009 8:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Probably just as well.
"(Brock Lesnar) is never in good spirits and he's not in good spirits now." - Dana White
Fair enough...
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 8, 2009 8:39 PM EST up reply actions
Well I think Whites have just as much right to be proud of their heritage/race and as much right to stand up for their collective rights as any other race… just come up with different symbols for god sake.
The differences in race and heritage should be appreciated, honored and protected and not made to become “supreme” over others.
I think whites get unfairly treated when they try to protect, appreciate and honor it… It’s as silly as Cain getting flack for his “brown pride” tatoo.
It doesn’t mean you hate other races or think yours is “supreme” over others… it just means you appreciate, honor and happen to like yours.
Racial pride and anything that deals with Nazi idealism should be avoided at all cost. When your racial idea is that the other groups of people are sub-human then it makes a huge difference in what you are talking about. There is nothing wrong with being proud of your heritage but it’s crossing that line into glorifying genocide and slavery that people get upset about. I know some people try to say they are only proud of being white when they follow these movements but come on we all know that is a bunch of BS, everyone knows what all of this actually stands for.
I strongly recommend
that any white person who wants to celebrate their cultural heritage use a different set of symbols like say:
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it never fails to amuse me the way morons
think they’re celebrating their culture by worshipping fucking losers like the nazis and the confederates.
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slaveholders were sons of bitches, but Robert E. Lee was a great man
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by Anthony Pace on Dec 8, 2009 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
The civil war wasn’t primarily about slavery… It was common knowledge amongst everyone of influence at the time that slavery was coming to an end.
The rest of the world ended slavery by simply buying and freeing the slaves.
Instead, in the US millions were killed and way more money spent in the name of freeing the slaves when in fact it was mostly about centralizing vs decentralizing the power.
State vs Federal.
The south wanted the states to keep its power and Independence the north wanted all the power and dependence at the federal level.
Its like the EU right now has little power… all the power resides with the individual entities (germany, france, etc…)
Thats how the USA used to be and Millions were killed to change this and centralize the power structure.
The victors write the textbooks so most think the entire war was about freeing slaves just like today most people think Iraq was about 9/11 when in reality its about something totally different.
The South wasn’t blameless as they used Slavery as a wedge issue just like 9/11 was used to rally the ignorant for a war that had little to do with it.
Imagine if the North American Union centralized into one power structure? There would at a minimum be civil unrest or probably another civil war. That’s how it was back then.
And they would call it something like the battle for “Gay Marriage” (even though gay marriage is being legalized in more and more states everyday just like slavery was being banned in more and more states at the time)
by mmalogic on Dec 8, 2009 11:37 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
a voice of reason emerges
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by Anthony Pace on Dec 8, 2009 11:40 PM EST up reply actions
yea, the civil war was about a state vs. federal power struggle
but the struggle was because of slavery and the states wanted to retain their power to keep slavery. And sure, Lincoln wanted to avoid going to war at all cost; like most wars, the road twists and turns, but in the end, it was about slavery.
"A champion is someone who gets up when he can't." - Jack Dempsey
The North was fighting to free slaves as much as america is fighting in Afghanistan to free Afghani’s.
It was a nominal issue at the time.
The south had resources and the north didn’t.
This is where the term “distribution of wealth” started.
One group wanted to centralize power to collect and redistribute the resources and the other group wanted to remain independent.
If the EU decides to centralize power and take Germany’s wealth and give it to romania you think a few people will get pissed off… that’s what this whole thing was about.
Slavery was going to end at that time with or without a war just like Gay marriage is going to legalize now with or without a war.
I think having doing all the work on someone’s plantation while they keep all the money would be the ultimate re-distribution of wealth
nor am I
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by Anthony Pace on Dec 9, 2009 12:56 AM EST up reply actions
No, it wasn’t a nominal issue. It was very much what started things. When they pushed through the laws banning slavery, the south, lead by SC did not wish to join and eventually it led to the succession. The north fought to rejoin the country b/c of what it viewed as an illegal attempt of the southern states to break off from the US. So like I was saying, they were fighting the war for a variety of reasons…that started because of slavery.
"A champion is someone who gets up when he can't." - Jack Dempsey
You must be an Ayn Rand fan
Lets go through the major steps that led up on the path to the Civil War.
1) For years the north and south had separate economies going opposite direction. The South:agrarian. North:manufacturing and trade. The fear for the south was that they would eventually be out voted by the north thus several compromises where instituted. What these compromises did was guarantee that there would always be an equal number of free and slave-holding states.
2) After the compromise of 1850 and the Kansas-Nebraska act tensions started to boil over. Abolitionist in the north thought too much had been given to the south and the republican party was formed who main issue was to prevent the spread of slavery into other territories.
3) When a Republican (the ant-slavery partywas elected president without a single electoral vote from the south, this triggered the secession as they were worried that if the union expanded under republican control, new territories would not be slave-holding states and the imbalance would mean slavery would eventually be repealed.
4) As for slavery coming to an end in the south. Maybe, but it might have been there until the turn of the century, because slavery was the cornerstone of the confederacy. If the purpose was states rights why was it written into the confederate constitution that the one thing states couldn’t do was abolish slavery.
or as the Charleston Courier put it:
“Slavery, God’s institution of labor, and the primary political element of our Confederation of Government, state sovereignty…must stand or fall together. To talk of maintaining independence while we abolish slavery is simply to talk folly.”
Everyone should become familiar with myth known as the Lost Cause of the Confederacy. It has done more pernicious harm that I care to summarize.
The Lost Cause is definitely a joke and learned folk don’t use those arguments. I’m not trying to condemn Reconstruction (though some things were handled atrociously) or say every Confederate officer was the epitome of chivalry.
You hit the nail on the head with your first point. The South was ever-fearful of Northern predominance, and slavery was the tip of the iceberg on that point. As logic pointed out, it boiled down to states’ rights, with the main issue at that point in time being slavery. Another 20 years and it would’ve been something completely different, probably taxes.
About Ayn Rand:
“There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs”—Kung Fu Monkey
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by Anthony Pace on Dec 9, 2009 12:47 AM EST up reply actions
What is really interesting and lost by neglect and willfully forgetting is that the Union Army had at least 1 division from every southern state. In other words a division of Mississippi men, under the Mississippi flag was fighting against the confederacy. That shows how actually unpopular secession was with many of its citizen (of course NY was teeming with copperheads) and it wasn’t truly a north versus south battle. In fact, Sherman personal escort on the march to the sea was the 1st Alabama Cavalry Regiment.
have you read the book "The State of Jones"?
I saw the chick who wrote it on the Daily Show a couple months back and I gave it a look. Fascinating read, well worth your time
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I’ve heard of Newton Knight, but I haven’t read the book yet. Hopefully I get some time, but with work and how time I waste on this forum. Fuck I’m feeling guilty lately.
I know how you feel
/looks up from Latin translation and begins weeping
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similarly
there were loads of northerners head south for the cause of the confederacy, and on top of that, both slave and free blacks opted to fight on behalf of the Confederacy.
stonewall had thousands of blacks hin his army at different points throughout the war. multiple blacks were taken prisoner fighting for the south at gettysburg. free black volunteer units sprang up throughout the south, particularly in louisiana.
furthermore, its important to remember slaves in Northern border states were NOT freed, even at the time of the 1863 Emancipation Proclamation.
he was injured. injured bad.
That is true
But it doesn’t tell the complete story. A much larger number of Southerners fought for the north than the reverse. I do not think one northern state was able to raise a division for the south while every southern state had a division fighting for the north. The reason is pretty obvious as well if you were southerner who wanted to remain in the union you would have the choice of other fighting for the union or leaving your home. There was no such choice for a northerner who sided with the south. He could just stay home and complain.
As for black soldiers fighting for the confederacy: most are known to have been laborers and there seems to be very few ever under arms. While many generals asked for the chance to offer slaves freedom if they picked up arms Jefferson Davis refused to allow it. 7 black soldiers were captured at Gettysburg and a black militia sprung up in new Orleans but it wad disbanded in 1862 and wasn’t reactivated until after New Orleans was occupied by the north. Stonewall was reported to have 3000 black soldiers with him but that was only a single eye witness reported them armed so they very well could have been laborers.
The numbers tell the story of black support:
for the north almost 200,000 black soldiers fought for the union. That is close to 10% of the northern army, more than their percentage amongst the general populaton.
And with the south, where 1/3 the population was black (slaves) no more than .5% of their total armed forces was estimated to be black.
That quote
may be the greatest thing I’ve ever heard. The following article has another great quote. I bookmarked it a long time ago because I loved it so.
"I did have to break up with one guy because he was very keen on Ayn Rand," said Laura Miller, a book critic for Salon. "He was sweet and incredibly decent despite all the grandiosely heartless ‘philosophy’ he espoused, but it wasn’t even the ideology that did it. I just thought Rand was a hilariously bad writer, and past a certain point I couldn’t hide my amusement."
by pdl on Dec 9, 2009 1:07 AM EST up reply actions
If there's one thing I've never disagreed with friends about
It’s that Ayn Rand is to be shat on at all appropriate times.
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
I was unaware there was an inapproriate time to shit on Ayn Rand
Or anybody who labels themselves an objectivist, for that matter. Or anybody who calls Ayn Rand a philosopher. I swear to god, Powells is the only store that files her so called non-fiction books where they belong: Conservative studies. Every time I see the philosophy section of Borders/Barnes and Noble with almost no situationists, maybe one or two Marcuse books, and no Ranciere but a whole shelf of Rand… fuck man. If you want to fill a shelf with hard line conservatism, at least make it intellectual and get Leo Strauss.
by pdl on Dec 9, 2009 1:30 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I agree with everything you just said.
I was unaware there was an inappropriate time to shit on Ayn Rand
Take notes, Watson. This is wit!
I also despise the fact that her “objectivism” basically takes everything Berkeley argued about idealism and made it utter shit.
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Powell’s rules.
"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."
by AJB on Dec 9, 2009 6:18 AM EST up reply actions
Slavery was ended all over the world without a single war.
The Civil war was no more about ending slavery than the afghan war is about freeing women from burqas.
Well I beg to differ. Haiti and Nazi Germany (massive slave state) are two examples. In addition many countries had abolition forced on them by the British and French governments, so it can’t be said they abolished it on their own free will. Other states had long periods of bloody slave revolts that led to movements to find labor from other, non-slave sources, such as asian laborers. So I wouldn’t say it was a straight, clean path to the end of the slavery.
As for the CIvil War, there was no greater driving force for secession than the fear that the north would change their way of life. And that way of life was centered on a master-slave economy.
Well police states and slave trading are 2 different things…
Every other country in the world bought and freed the slaves without having any wars.
Nobody fought this war to keep or free slaves. It was all about states rights.
This was a battle between federalism and centralism.
centralism won and we all became slaves.
Everyone pays 50% of their income in taxes, the other 20 – 30% of it in interest payments and the rest to consume and survive to keep the economy going.
And whatever is saved is devalued and stolen by the central government printing more money.
If the pharoah were alive today he’d be in awe by how much more productive this model of slavery is.
by mmalogic on Dec 9, 2009 2:27 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
honestly
anyone whos gonna tell me that dirt poor white farmers fought against their family so that some rich plantation owner halfway across the country in carolina could own slaves, Im gonna look at like theyre retarded.
similarly, anybody whos gonna tell me all them dirt poor white farmers from vermont risked their families livelihood to go fight against slavery when many of them themselves were racist (like Lincoln) is also gonna catch a funny look from me.
it just doesn’t add up when you look at it that way.
he was injured. injured bad.
by troy145 on Dec 9, 2009 3:13 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yeah he had his moments of greatness
but his grasp of grand strategy was awful. George Washington (also a slaveholder) was a relatively terrible tactical general compared to Lee, but he would have won the civil war for the south. It would have dragged on for 10 years but he would’ve won.
But if I want to celebrate the great generals of the Civil War, I’ll take U.S. Grant and William Tecumseh Sherman thank you very much.
Those guys got all Conan on Johnny Reb.
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Stonewall Jackson was the brains behind the operation
And the war effort died with him. But those boys would’ve packed it all up and went home in ’63 if anyone other than Lee was at the helm.
In addition he did other great things—i.e. Washington & Lee University, etc.
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by Anthony Pace on Dec 8, 2009 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
furthermore
the south could’ve just gone up in the mountains and waged guerilla war and wore out the US, it’d just be a precursor to vietnam or iraq.
he was injured. injured bad.
you have to be kidding me
the CSA was stacked with better generals than at least Ulysses. I’ll give Tecumseh his.
he was injured. injured bad.
Patton was the Diego Sanchez of the Allied High Command.
Keep firing Assholes!
Fedor has accomplished nothing until he fights Kimbo.
To be proud your white isn’t a bad thing… just like Cain being proud he’s brown isnt a bad thing.
And for Caucasians to stand up for their civil rights should be just as fine as Hispanics and Blacks. There are tons of whites who get a raw deal just because their white.
The problem comes when you think your race is “supreme” and you deserve special priveledges or reign over others… like you say.
The only group I give a pass for this is the african american demo. They can be as racist as they want because they’ve been fucked for decades with Chemical warfare.
Coming out of slavery wasn’t bad enough but once they started educating themselves, becoming responsible, free and organized – drugs were pumped down their throats destroying their communities for decades and creating this engineered stereotype people have of blacks today.
hey...
for the sake of avoiding a slippery slope we’re not going to have a debate over what kind of white pride is correct white pride.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 8, 2009 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
You sayin were all alco's????
Friday to Sunday………………YES
Stephen Quadros: Where do you see yourself in three years.
Quinton Jackson: Let's see, I'm 22 right now. In three years I see myself being 25.
Sad that these types of posts reach 100 comments and then somone over in the fanposts posts some good stuff and nobody shows any love.
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you mean there are articles other than the front page?
the monson news is good stuff, didn’t see that before
by Austin Martin on Dec 8, 2009 8:40 PM EST up reply actions
So why are you here reading and commenting?
The only thing Jon Jones does better than Matt Hamill is hear.
(And smash faces)
by ufc4 on Dec 8, 2009 8:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
That’s odd it makes me quite happy to see everyone cares about this enough to comment on it.
Just BE.
by mattman73 on Dec 8, 2009 8:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Dont get me wrong, its awesome that Brent and the guys laid the smacketh down lol but its like sometimes there will be some good stuff in the fanposts and nobody really shows love. Then when theres anything racist related or things of that nature, bam hundreds of posts. Anyway, didnt mean to be the party pooper lol. It was just an observation I made a while back. =P
WAR BE!!! =]
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by xFenixKnightx on Dec 8, 2009 8:53 PM EST up reply actions
just like how there are thousands of people walking aimlessly through the streets,
but they all stop when they see a dead body on the floor..
It’s controversial, of course people will gather to see it..
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 8, 2009 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
every time i see your sn i think of the band fenix tx
Tell me something that’s sure to break my heart
‘cause everything’s my fault
And I know
I deserve to be alone
‘cause everything’s my fault
And everything’s my fault
And everything’s my fault
And everything’s my fault
And everything’s my fault
by Austin Martin on Dec 8, 2009 8:49 PM EST up reply actions
Some 13-year-old kids trying a Radiohead motif?
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lol
It’s just based off my gamertag on LIVE.
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by xFenixKnightx on Dec 8, 2009 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
When it advocates Racial Hate, it should be banned.
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@deowade
haha now i know you're trying to pick a fight
who, even if they believe free speech to the core, would come on a website of like 25 dudes who keep debating how much nazism sucks and then contend that free speech says that neonazi genocidal worshipping loners who are the byproduct of a shitty life and fundamentally immoral idiology get to wear t-shirts that say “i agree with the fact that jews are inferior and thus it is acceptable that we tried to kill them all off and if you’re jewish go fuck yourself”
by Austin Martin on Dec 8, 2009 8:59 PM EST up reply actions
you guys are gonna delete his chain of posts i’m sure, but i mean c’mon?
by Austin Martin on Dec 8, 2009 9:01 PM EST up reply actions
it's funny, I looked at his comment history
but detroit_fan celebrates Hoelzer Reich’s “free speech” but objects strongly to Cain “Brown Pride” Velasquez.
Coincidence?
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by Kid Nate on Dec 8, 2009 9:07 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
He’s just angry because he’s a Lions fan.
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
I live in michigan...
there are a lot of angry lions fans. I am not one of them…but still
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 8, 2009 9:13 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
You’re an angry Bears fan.
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
HOW DARE YOU!
I’m an angry BILLS fan
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 8, 2009 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
That stinks.
I guess the curse of doug flutie explains recent times, but that 4 super bowl stretch had to be rough, and you don’t have a convenient curse to blame.
Curse of Scott Norwood. Thank you very much
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 8, 2009 9:26 PM EST up reply actions
WIDE RIGHT! WIDE RIGHT! WIDE RIGHT! WIDE RIGHT! WIDE RIGHT! WIDE RIGHT! WIDE RIGHT!
(please don’t ban me) i keed i keed
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by Cory Braiterman on Dec 8, 2009 11:51 PM EST up reply actions
hahaha…
I often wonder how my life changes if he makes that field goal…
And then I go “probably not much at all”
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 8, 2009 11:52 PM EST up reply actions
In the interests of full disclosure, I’m a Niners fan, but I still think that during those four years (as a whole) the Bills were THE BEST team in NFL.
Why? When they lost against Giants, the Cowboys didn’t even make playoffs. Four years later, Washington Redskins (the winner of SB26) ran 4-12. During that stretch of time, the Bills were the most consistent team in football. No other team in the history of NFL has made Super Bowl four years running. None. It’s damn near a crime they never won the Super Bowl.
by Monday Morning Martial Artist on Dec 9, 2009 1:01 AM EST up reply actions
That must be nice...
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 8, 2009 9:29 PM EST up reply actions
HAHAHAHA
You’re killing me..
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
Don't believe the hype
He’s a fairweather Vikes fan and is bitter over Sunday night. He’ll be back this coming Sunday..
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
Colts fans are always happy in December, then january comes around…..
The only thing Jon Jones does better than Matt Hamill is hear.
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by ufc4 on Dec 8, 2009 10:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It's all good
They’ve always been my “AFC team”.
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
We’re gonna kick your ass Sunday.
Actually probably not.
The only thing Jon Jones does better than Matt Hamill is hear.
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by ufc4 on Dec 8, 2009 10:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Always wondered about that tatoo: If Cain Velasquez was so proud of his heritage shouldn’t it be in spanish?
Wut?
He’s proud of his golden bronze tan.
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
I thought he was proud of his brownie cooking ability.
The only thing Jon Jones does better than Matt Hamill is hear.
(And smash faces)
by ufc4 on Dec 8, 2009 10:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
They have the right to sell them, people have the right to get pissed off, Zuffa has the right to ban them.
SInce none of those people I mentioned above are the government, no one’s first amendment rights have been violated.
by Phildo on Dec 8, 2009 9:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You're absolutely right
but a business has a right to mold their image.
Next time the boss says you need to wear a collared shirt, tell him he’s violating your freedom of speech, see how well that works out.
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by Anthony Pace on Dec 8, 2009 8:55 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
i still laugh so loud every time i see the falm/ palm
by Austin Martin on Dec 8, 2009 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
THIS
And thats why Im bouncing from this post. lol
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by xFenixKnightx on Dec 8, 2009 8:57 PM EST up reply actions
They can say whatever the hell they want, we (decent human beings) don’t need to see their shit all over the place.
You can say any damn fool thing you want, we don’t have to see their special brand of shit smeared over our beloved sport.
Keep firing Assholes!
Fedor has accomplished nothing until he fights Kimbo.
Freedom of speech...
does not mean “freedom of advertisement”
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 8, 2009 8:57 PM EST up reply actions
there is a difference
between banned and not allowed to sponsor fighters on television.
Banned for instance is what is happening to you right now.
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by Kid Nate on Dec 8, 2009 8:59 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I respect your Gangster, sir.
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@deowade
Ok the free speech argument is even more moronic than the “we just like the symbols” argument. What a private company does with their own product has absolutely nothing at all to do with freedom of speech. Freedom of speech just isn’t freedom to advertise your product or a regulation that forces private companies to broadcast your crap. No one has said they can’t sell their racist little shirts or that guys can’t wear them in public, just that the UFC isn’t going to allow them to advertise on their broadcast. If you don’t understand that very simple fact then how the hell can you comment on freedom of speech?
But
Glenn Beck has his free speech infringed upon all the time! Sponsors pull off his show just because he says certain things!
The closest thing to a major free speech infringement based on corporate censorship (which is generally legal) was the way Kucinich was banned from Democratic debates via court injunction.
Glen Beck has his pocket book infringed on because sponsors decide that they don’t want to be associated with his wackiness. It’s their freedom that is being protected not his that is being infringed. In what world would it be ok to force a company to sponsor someone elses speech that they didn’t agree with? Now I wish someone could put a sock in Glenn Beck but not only does he have oodles and scads of free speech he has fox news broadcasting his speech across the globe, there is no issues at all with freedom of speech if you can’t get the guy to shut up and get off the air.
Kucinich wasn’t going to be allowed into the debates due to a lack of support for his candidacy from the public. There sure were a lot of conspiracy nuts tightening their tinfoil hats over that one but lets get real he was a fringe candidate that wasn’t even running a credible campaign in most states.
Ok, the Beck thing was sarcasm.
But you misunderstand the Kucinich deal. He was to be excluded from a debate because he didn’t meet the qualifications for it. That’s ok, a bit sketchy on the open democracy kind of thing, but it’s how our country works. Then Bill Richardson dropped out of the race, making Kucinich be the next candidate for Democratic nomination that would be allowed in to the debate. When that happened, MSNBC (who was televising the debate) changed their criteria to specifically bar him from attending. Courts intervened, appellate courts upheld their decision, and finally the state supreme court ruled “Fuck it, kick the Keebler Elf out.”
And the “no nutbag” thing doesn’t fly. He’s not insanely leftist, and he’s much more sane that other guys who got television time in debates (Alan Keyes, Ron Paul). And as stated above, he met their requirements for what was a credible campaign until they changed their requirements, because he was running a credible campaign and they didn’t want anyone to believe that. It was a screwjob of corporate censorship that melded in with the workings of major elections and government, blurring the lines of what is appropriate, what is legal, and what is democratic.
by pdl on Dec 9, 2009 1:24 AM EST up reply actions
He was always a fringe candidate that had no chance at all of getting elected but as far as expressing himself is concerned he actually got more out of being singled out than if they had let him do the debate(lets face it if he was at the debate most people would of just ignored him anyway, more people talk about the debate he wasn’t at than the ones he was actually there for). All this other crap got him more exposure than he had ever had previously and it in no way hampered his freedom to express himself. Hell he made a speech at the Democratic National Convention that got him lots of exposure Freedom of speech is the freedom to express yourself in public not the freedom to force tv networks to broadcast your opinions, this was never a free speech issue to start with.
I'm aware.
Corporate censorship is legal. It’s when it directly influences elections and courts intervene that you reach a grey area. I say it’s CLOSE to an infringement, but it’s still legal. I’m trying to say that it takes crazy circumstances for a 1st amendment infringement to actually occur these days, and when a national candidate being told he wasn’t allowed to even debate the people he was running against isn’t constitutionally protected, people not being allowed to wear a certain brand into a events held by a privately traded company isn’t even fucking close.
And I agree, Democratic nominations were always all about Hillary, Obama, and Edwards. But remember that Republican nominations were about Romney, Giuliani, and Huckabee. How’d that work out?
by pdl on Dec 9, 2009 1:56 AM EST up reply actions
Nothing was ever about Mike Huckabee but then presidential election runs rarely work out for anyone (dozen’s of men start and only one actually wins). Now for Kucinich I would have to say that his presidential run was a huge success as he was just running to raise awareness of the things he believed in to start with. He got all the attention he could garner through all of this and getting banned from a debate by NBC actually helped him reach his goal. NBC’s move actually gave Kucinich a farther reach with his message and allowed him to have more freedom to deliver it to larger audiences after that event. When your goal is to gain attention then something like this works in your favor and Kucinich knew that to start with.
But yes it is very hard to get to an actual first amendment infringement these days, I mean Kucinich wasn’t put in prison for voicing his views. Still the US does have a history of trampling on that right too, the problem is that most people who scream first amendment like the doofus who did it here don’t have a clue what they are talking about or what it actually stands for.
actually this is “free speach and expression” Brent and the commenters were exercising their “free speech and expression”
It goes both ways…
And Zuffa is in turn expressing theirs by saying “our company, our rules.”
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 8, 2009 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
if you want to get all libertarian...
doesn’t Zuffa have the right to freedom of association? property rights? contractual preconditions recognized by the fighters?
he was injured. injured bad.
Hopefully they won't ban Hitlersport
I’m just getting the label off the ground, and like I’ve explained several times, it has nothing to do with The Nazi Party
by smoogy2 on Dec 8, 2009 8:54 PM EST reply actions 9 recs
shoddy editing on the hat, good attempt tho + .5
by Austin Martin on Dec 8, 2009 8:55 PM EST up reply actions
love the umlaut over the 'o'
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+ .5 more, didn’t see that, great touch
by Austin Martin on Dec 8, 2009 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
HAHAHAHA
The composition is very soothing.
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
see the thing to remember is that Hitler
was a housepainter before he was a nazi. HitlerSport celebrates Adolf’s work as an artist, not the relatively brief period when he exterminated hundreds of millions.
Also he had a Charlie Chaplin mustache and we’re celebrating that too.
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by Kid Nate on Dec 8, 2009 9:09 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Exactly
Hitler was a good guy, he just got caught up with the wrong crowd.
Unfortunately I just got word that Zuffa is banning ANOTHER of my new start-up ventures from sponsoring UFC fighters.
You are allowed to advertise that your ass is a “condom depot” already, so I don’t see what the big deal is.
by smoogy2 on Dec 8, 2009 9:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Are you trying to make me go to buttplugs.com?
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
As if it isn’t your home page already!
Luckily, it sounds like I’ll still be able to sponsor Melvin Guillard
(Go here for the thread with all of these, btw)
Ever seen "The Last Waltz"?
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As fake as that is, I could actually see koscheck endorsing that
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by actionbastard on Dec 8, 2009 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
Tried going as Charlie Chaplin for Halloween once… guess how that turned out.
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
Fucking Hitler. Ruined the name Adolf and Charlie Chaplin mustaches.
Also, see the “Great DIctator” everyone, if you want to see Chaplin being Hitler.
Old comedies usually don't wear well
But that shit is timeless. The scene when Mussolini-guy is trying to get off the train = sore stomach from laughter
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by Anthony Pace on Dec 8, 2009 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
He also built up the roads.
The only thing Jon Jones does better than Matt Hamill is hear.
(And smash faces)
by ufc4 on Dec 8, 2009 9:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Hitler vass a great painter.
He could paint an entire apartment in one afternoon! Two coats!
by John Nash on Dec 8, 2009 9:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
bill the butcher. rec'd
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by Anthony Pace on Dec 8, 2009 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
FYI...
since the announcement the HR website has changed.
The front page used to have their “team” on it..being all the fighters they sponsor. Now it just has their shirts. And if you click on the team to see who they sponsor you get a blank page
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 8, 2009 9:09 PM EST reply actions
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by Anthony Pace on Dec 8, 2009 9:13 PM EST up reply actions 9 recs
Best thing I've seen all day.
Rec’d and stolen
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@deowade
That is the funniest thing i have ever seen
Stephen Quadros: Where do you see yourself in three years.
Quinton Jackson: Let's see, I'm 22 right now. In three years I see myself being 25.
what the fuck?
hahahahahhahahahahhahahahahahhaha
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 8, 2009 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
There's a deep symbolism in his throwing off the shirt before commencing bitch-slap
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by Anthony Pace on Dec 8, 2009 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
yeah i know how it relates,
but i mean, what the fuck is the guy doing? hahahahahahaha.
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 9, 2009 1:07 AM EST up reply actions
Clearly
Sort of ruined it for me… But not totally.
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
The same logo
was used by INDEPENDENT, which was pretty popular and I dont remember anyone screaming NAZI’s!
I understand this is different, but the iron cross was reffered to as never being seen the same, but…
all you gotta do is...
independent had a slight variation
but again, its the sum of the parts, not just one symbol
by Austin Martin on Dec 8, 2009 9:19 PM EST up reply actions
I think that people keep coming back to the iron cross for really no reason. It was never the iron cross. it was the sum of all parts
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 8, 2009 9:24 PM EST up reply actions
Independent
didn’t
1) go out of their way to sponsor nazi bands
2) go out of their way to sponsor nazi fighters
3) surround the iron cross with images from the SS
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What the hell
do you people have against ducks?
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by duck on Dec 8, 2009 11:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I stand corrected....
I guess my family shame will never end…
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by duck on Dec 9, 2009 6:58 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And what the fuck is a "nazy"?
The only thing Jon Jones does better than Matt Hamill is hear.
(And smash faces)
the indy logo is not based on the german iron cross
The iconic logo for the trucks, the Alisee (often mistaken for the Iron Cross ), came out in 1979 when Pope John Paul II was wearing the icon on his vestment on the cover of TIME magazine June 18, 1979. It has remained the Independent logo since inception
there’s a citation needed link in wikipedia, but the source is Built To Grind, the book they published for their 25th anniversary
This is a great platform for people who don’t understand the whole freedom of speech argument, but love to be the lone wolf saying the opposite of 500 people through the safety of their puters to launch their thing.
How come people who scream freedom of speech the most and the loudest don’t even understand the very basics of what freedom of speech actually means?
by and large
the people who scream the most and loudest about any given thing have the worst understanding of whatever it is their moaning about.
he was injured. injured bad.
by troy145 on Dec 9, 2009 3:19 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Lyle Beerbohm on the UG:
I’m no longer being sponsored by Hoelzer Reich. And I want to apologize to my fans.
Link plz?
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 8, 2009 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
I'm confused
A lot of the fighters (and the UFC, perhaps) seem to be oblivious to the nature of the product they were endorsing. How is that possible? Particularly for the UFC?
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
At times you just take the money and ask questions later.
I mean, this wasn’t a story when Danzig, or cerrone wore the shirts.
They didn’t do their due diligence, sometimes you need money so you take it, at this point it would be a little silly for a fighter in a big org to sign on with them, but I can understand why it happened in the past.
Lyle talked a lot on the UG about how he met with them and was positive they weren’t racist, he kind of got pushy with some people on there for shitting on them, and said that they put money in his pockets when he needed it most.
He was well aware. I’m confused with the 180 unless it was because of the links to everything else that have been pretty well established at this point.
But as on now the following fighters were sponsored by them but no longer are: Lyle Beerbohm, Ross Pearson, Mac Danzig, Donald Cerrone.
They have pretty much just regional level guys left as far as I can tell. But again, they’ve blanked out their sponsored fighter page on their website…I assume because those fighters that have gotten away from them have asked for them to do so..or because Zuffa did it for them.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 8, 2009 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
Have you guys read this blog they posted some time today?
Over the last few weeks, we have realized that the general public’s sensitivity to our clothing line that has some references of historical German imagery has offended some people, and caused them to make quite the fuss about it on the forums, leading to quite the discussion in the MMA community. The imagery that we reference dates back hundreds of years before Nazi Germany, and we did not realize that the brief association some of the imagery had with Nazi Germany over 70 years ago would still be so sensitive to so many people. Bottom line: we NEVER meant to offend ANYONE. We do not support the Neo Nazi "cause," nor do we promote any racist ideologies.
We have removed several of our tshirts from the website, and we will be no longer using the imagery that has clearly been deemed ‘offensive.’ Hoelzer Reich will always represent our German heritage, and we will continue our business selling tshirts that represent our theme, Strength & Honor." We truly enjoy sponsoring MMA fighters and helping them out financially to achieve their dreams as a professional fighter. We love designing signature shirts and walkout shirts for our fighters, and being involved with their careers.
Seems like more backpedaling to me but at least they have decided to get rid of some of that crap they were selling.
The only thing Jon Jones does better than Matt Hamill is hear.
(And smash faces)
they're just weaseling around
they knew exactly what they were doing and they thought they were being cute and getting away with something.
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by Kid Nate on Dec 8, 2009 11:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah...
I talked about it above. They also have the guts to say :
Westwall recently made a formal statement to try and end the accusations of Hoelzer Reich having anything to do with the rumored "Neo Nazi or Northern Hammerskins."
RUMORED!
Because there is
just
no
proof
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 8, 2009 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
Ohhhhhhh
Strength and honor!
We owe these guys an apology.
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
yeah
see the nazis said Blood and Honor so it’s totally different. Plus the Chaplin mustache was in use for hundreds of years by hard working Teutonic farmers long before Hitler used his to strangle his victims.
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by Kid Nate on Dec 8, 2009 11:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hahaha
If they want to insult someone’s intelligence, maybe they’d have better luck trying this kind of shit with their demographic.
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
strength and honor
….im pretty sure thats from “Gladiator”
Gladiators not fascist though.
he was injured. injured bad.
So they are sticking with the “we aren’t racist we are just fucking clueless” excuse. I mean how retarded do you have to be to not realize what Nazi symbolism has been used for constantly in the last 70 years since nazi Germany or what it stands for? Do they honestly think anyone will buy this crap?
And who they give it to
The only thing Jon Jones does better than Matt Hamill is hear.
(And smash faces)
Seriously...
They had to pay big bucks to be on a UFC card. This is clearly more organized than a few dudes in their garage. If you were about to invest your hard earned money into your business you would do a little research before printing shirts that “might” be associated with skinheads and nazis. The fact that they don’t understand how that tiny little period in history ruined these symbols is beyond my comprehension.
Oh they understand it, how could they not. It’s just that how could they think anyone would buy them saying they were unaware of the meanings associated with those symbols or the beliefs of people they were marketing their products too. The “were not racist we are just stupid” line is just a really really lame excuse to try and use because either way you come off looking like a jack ass.
If you get lost in a city you’ve never been to before then ignorance is a great excuse, if you are selling blatant neo nazi t shirts then ignorance is a very shitty excuse to try and use. Still these guys just saw their big MMA t shirt business plans go down like the Graf Spee so why not play the “we are very very stupid” card instead of just scuttling the ship.
If they claim ignorance they can still worm their way into the mainstream a little bit. If they just come out and admit they are neo-nazi’s, it’s game over. All their opponents have to do is whip out their statement, and they are screwed.
"an excellent example of why most MMA "journalism" is a joke. Pseudonyms like "toxic" and shitty writing like that dopey article"--- Joe Rogan.
Well opponents can whip out there statement that they aren’t nazi’s they were just too stupid to know what the stuff they were selling actually stood for and they are pretty much screwed too. I mean honestly for the sake of their business (selling nazi themed clothing to people who wish to buy nazi themed clothing) claiming to be clueless doofuses who don’t know what the symbols stand for is worse than just coming out of the neo nazi closet.
In the MMA world the cat’s already out of the bag, no one is going to touch them as a sponsor if they know that Zuffa (and most likely Strikeforce too in the near future) isn’t going to accept them because they are offensive, they really didn’t have much mainstream exposure anyway and their target audience is the very group they are trying to distance themselves from. They may think they can save some scraps but they are pretty much done as far as the mainstream is concerned.
wtf.. you already burned your bridges just keep it and make money off of your real target demo.
wtf.. you already burned your bridges just keep it and make money off of your real target demo.Yeah theres lots of white people who watch the UFC but they aren’t going to convert to your cause… get over it and move on CALL NASCAR.
Won’t the real neo-nazis and skinheads be pissed at them for “being ashamed to show pride in their heritage”?!?!?!
I hope they go away just like this, with a whimper…
NASCAR, huh? Ha, ha, real funny.
Asshole.
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Head over to the MMAJunkie Hoelzer Reich story and read the comments.
Scary.
I'd rather wear a Hoelzer Reich shirt
The only thing Jon Jones does better than Matt Hamill is hear.
(And smash faces)
I hear...
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by Damon O. on Dec 9, 2009 12:24 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
First! My colleague Paul will be modeling The Grey Wolf. I must apologize for my assisants handicaps. He has…unusually long arms and an alarmingly small neck.
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Peddling stolen fur coats in the middle of summer would not seem strange to the junkie mind.
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by AJB on Dec 9, 2009 6:29 AM EST up reply actions
Thanks
Now I want to slit my wrists.
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
I thought maybe by “how lucky we are” he meant there was a tale of foreign poverty and opression. Nope— buncha racialists. Sigh..
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
It's like when you get emails saying
“you won a million dollars! …click here!”
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 9, 2009 1:53 AM EST up reply actions
I knew I shouldn't have mailed 5k to Rwanda!
….twice.
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
Shouldn't some of these fighter's be firing their managers?
The fighter’s should definitely have some idea about the companies they take sponsorship dollars from, but shouldn’t their managers be looking out for this shit?
"Stop smiling you are about to be punched in the face !"
They aren't trying very hard to hide their Nazi sympathies
Take a look at the HR logo on all their stuff. It’s a VERY thinly disguised swastika.
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