Quote of the Day: Kenny Florian's "Total Rebirth, Total Upgrade"
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 8, 2009 9:01 AM EST
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"Georges is good for a reason. He has the best people around him. Of course, it's his work ethic (too). I've always had a very good work ethic. I look at Georges and how hard he trains, it's amazing to me... having the opportunity to work with Georges himself every single day that I'm in Montreal, he's such a huge help and gives me so much confidence when we're training. I've learned so much from Georges, I've learned so much from all the guys up there."
"Firas has been an amazing addition to the team. He's a guy who I believe is the smartest coach in mixed martial arts today. And I think everybody's at least a couple of years behind what Firas is doing with his team... I really feel like I have the best minds in the world in my corner and I'm looking forward to making them proud on Dec. 12"
"My body definitely has changed. I definitely am at my biggest and at my leanest. I feel very, very strong. I feel I'm at my quickest, and I'm in tremendous shape right now...We've really gone back to the basics. I feel like it's been a total rebirth, a total upgrade of what I've been doing."
"I think I learned a lot from that B.J. Penn fight. God willing, I'll have a third crack at the belt. B.J. didn't get it the first two times, he got it the third. Hopefully I can do the same... I believe people are going to see even more of a change in the way that I look and fight from here on out. It's going to be more of a change than what it was after the Sherk fight."
--Kenny Florian (13-4 MMA, 9-3 UFC), who severed his ties with long time Muay Thai coach Mark DellaGrotte, now splits his time training at the Florian Martial Arts Center and at the Montreal based TriStar gym with guys like Firas Zahabi, Jon Chaimberg, Peter Welch and Georges St. Pierre. He says that when he fight Clay Guida (25-7 MMA, 6-4 UFC) this Saturday, we will see a new and improved Kenny Florian:
HT: TSN
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His skin has a healthy greasy shine to it now.
Keep firing Assholes!
Fedor has accomplished nothing until he fights Kimbo.
by Ubernoober on Dec 7, 2009 6:31 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
we've got a sig bet on this fight right?
but what happens to your Kimbo sig? haha. How long do you have to keep that?
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 7, 2009 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
Okay cool.
You’ll be an honorary Filipino for a month for sure. :)
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 7, 2009 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
He’s reborn, but Firas didn’t lick him clean.
by Kwisatz Haderach on Dec 8, 2009 2:12 AM EST up reply actions
…long time muay thai coach…Clay Guida this saturday…
Muay Thai & Saturday need to be capitalized. Grammar Nazi…away!!!
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Dec 7, 2009 6:49 PM EST reply actions
Kenny, you don’t have the muscle mass to be a beat BJ…or the ground game…… If you continue having your brother Keith yelling instructions to you like “don’t respect his power, Kennnnnyyy!” you’re doing yourself a diservice…. You should’ve dropped Keith and not Dellagrotte. At least Dellagrotte got you to where you are now….
by MT1127 on Dec 7, 2009 7:08 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
One of Kenny's problems
is that he just has no power in his hands, whatsoever. Similar to Bisping, Forrest, and Kampmann, although he has very technically sound kickboxing skills, he just doesn’t hit hard at all. Which is a major problem, because it’s something that’s very hard to fix. Look at all the current divisional champs- Bowles, Aldo, Penn, GSP, Anderson, Machida (recently), and Fedor (hell, Brock if you wanna go by Zuffa champs); they all hit very hard/ have KO power. GSP hasn’t KO’d anyone recently, but he’s shown several times (Hieron, Fitch) that he has power in his hands; Lyoto just scored the recent KO’s over Thiago and Rashad after taking up a serious Strength & Power program.
Because in MMA, I truly believe that the primary weapons are the hands, and if you don’t hit hard, then it’s difficult to compete at the elite level. People need to respect your power.
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by ElliotMatheny on Dec 7, 2009 7:34 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
GSP has KO power but ever since his loss to Serra he has been hesitant and now hits for points instead of a KO. As for Kenny I agree in the lack of power in his hands. I am also a firm believer that Kenny needs to drop Keith. Boxers drop their family members as trainers all the time. Kenny should do the same and drop Peter Welch too. Keith is cancer.
by BrothaDarkness on Dec 8, 2009 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
Color me skeptical about the results of Kenny’s camp change.
Delagrotte is one of the most respected coaches in the sport, and from all the accounts I have heard, this split was the result of philosophical differences between Delagrotte and Keith Florian, and Kenny decided to back his brother.
Leaving your camp because your dumbass brother is pissing off your trainer does not bode well IMO, no matter how good the new camp is. I give the Florian-Zahabi coalition a year or two before Firas gets tired of Keith’s shit too.
Switching camps has been great for Joe Daddy.
Sometimes you just need a kick in the ass.
Keep firing Assholes!
Fedor has accomplished nothing until he fights Kimbo.
by Ubernoober on Dec 7, 2009 10:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
But Joe Daddy didn’t switch camps because his posse couldn’t get along with the coach. Joe Daddy switched because he needed to graduate to a world class trainer. The guys he trained with before Jackson were good coaches, but they weren’t at the same level as Greg Jackson. Firas is a great trainer, but I don’t think he is in a different league than Delagrotte.
Kenny made the switch for all the wrong reasons, and I think it is only a matter of time before those wrong reasons rear their ugly head again.
but training with Georges St. Pierre is on a different league as training with Marcus Davis.
Firas also has a good track record of having his fighters go with good game plans, DellaGrotte is a very good trainer and teacher, but i can’t say the same thing about the game plans of fighters coming out of his camp..
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 7, 2009 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
Kenny was on a 6 fight win streak
before he lost to BJ….so Dellagrotte’s game plan was working. Remember, Keith was head corner for the BJ fight and look at what happened….
In reality, BJ was an awful style matchup for Florian (as he is for most LW’s). BJ’s just better at everything and Kenny doesn’t have the physical attributes required to break BJ down.
Keith did an awful job in BJ’s corner, but it didn’t really matter.
By leaving Delagrotte, Florian not only has Firas as his head trainer, but he has Phil Nurse as his MT coach, Jon Chaimberg as his S&C coach, gets to train with the Montreal wrestling club, and works out with John Danaher for BJJ. That’s pretty much an upgrade across the board, not to mention better training partners in specific disciplines.
by Hardcharger on Dec 8, 2009 9:56 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree
But how much work can Kenny actually get in when he’s only up there a week or two during camp? If he was up there full time training, then yes, I would say it would make a hell of a difference…..who knows maybe one or two weeks may make a difference.
Well, that’s the question. It sounds like Florian is in Montreal much more than he was before his 101 fight. He made a point to note that he only got 10 days or so in Montreal before his fight with Penn, and indicated now that his work there is much more extensive.
More detail from Florian on how much he’s there would be nice to clear this up. Maybe he’s there for the entire training camp now? I’m not sure.
No, he was only up there for a few days this past week
and then he was up there a month ago for about 5 days or so…. the whole camp was pretty much at his gym with brother Keith and boxing coach Peter Welch…..
Meh. To much is made about the reason for the change. I doubt if his brother was the sole reason.
Props to Delagrotte for getting Kenny to this point, but to take the next step he needed to change something. How many time have we seen fighters stay with a certain camp and never develop or evolve their games beyond a certain point?
While I tend to agree some about his brother being a hurdle when it comes to his involvement, the end result may be just what Florian needs to continue moving in a forward direction.
That said, Kenny better hope BJ leaves the UFC or I doubt he ever holds the belt.
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by ultimatefightsource on Dec 8, 2009 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
night off
I don’t know if anything can change you but I hope so. It looked like you froze to me! Good luck
Guida by decision
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deja vu
all florian talks about anymore is georges…. i don’t know how much better kenny can get without having power in his hands
by cagefightonacid on Dec 8, 2009 10:34 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Realistically it seems like every time you hear another fighter talk about going to train with Firas (and Georges) in MTL they always speak very positively about the experience. And It’s obvious Georges gets a lot of respect from other fighters as far as his ability and training go, so why wouldnt florian jump at the opportunity to train with someone who literally manhandled BJ penn.
by Beyondadrenalin on Dec 8, 2009 11:07 AM EST reply actions
Because he's Kenny and not GSP
Kenny doesn’t have the strength or mass to gas out BJ, or the skill set. Kenny is good, but he’s no GSP. He employed the same game plan as GSP with totally different result Honestly, if Florian wants to be champion..he should move down to 145.
Think we’ll get another “I want bj’s belt!” soundbite if he wins? Worst promo soundbite ever.
by kanodogg on Dec 8, 2009 11:47 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Just let God tell you what ot do Kenny, Listen to God!
That’s what I remember from as far back as the Sherk fight from Dellagrotte.
Hopefully GSP can teach him some wrasslin’.
minus him circling the wrong direction against a southpaw the length of his last fight. he’s lucky Clay has mediocre stand up.
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by theworldsoldestsport on Dec 23, 2009 1:44 PM EST reply actions
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