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Gambling Advice - Recent Fights Teach Value Of Early Lines

Did you get on the champ at -190?

Okay, so gambling is usually Mike Fagan's thing, but today I wanted to talk a little bit about getting in on fights early.

I don't think I'm going out on a limb here when I say that Diego Sanchez is a huge underdog against BJ Penn.  He has almost no reliable path to victory.  Penn's BJJ is better, Penn's striking is better, and Penn showed that cardio isn't a huge issue for him anymore with the fight against Kenny Florian.  Still, the average opening line for the fight was Penn at -190.  That is an insane amount of value (Penn is at roughly -300 now which is still a good value honestly).

When the Kimbo Slice v. Houston Alexander fight was announced it was clear that Houston was a big favorite.  His power is much more proven against professional competition, he is much quicker, Kimbo is dealing with a weigh cut for the first time in his life, and so on.  Still, when the fight line opened you could get either guy at -115.  Again, tremendous value.  Within 24 hours we were closing in on Houston being a -300 favorite.

Jon Jones, opened at better than -200 most places and is now around -300.

If you liked Brendan Schaub against Roy Nelson you could have gotten in on him at +225 early vs. +165 now.

This is a part of MMA gambling that gets overlooked by a lot of people, a lot of the time.  It can feel like you're just tying money up when you bet on something that isn't going to happen for a month or two but in the end there is a lot of money to be made on the earliest lines.  If you plan on becoming serious about the gambling you're doing, you'd be very well served to stay on top of lines as they come out and make your early plays.

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How do you stay up to date and notified when lines first come out for fights?

by jafotinatos on Dec 5, 2009 4:35 PM EST reply actions  

I came in here to ask the very same question.

Spinning out solid gold, like Rumpelstiltskin.

by Heenan on Dec 5, 2009 6:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Try this site

Best Fight Odds

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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 5, 2009 7:31 PM EST up reply actions  

While lines do not work that way over here I agree that all those opportunities should’ve been jumped on.

Bloody hell.

by 3PA on Dec 5, 2009 4:39 PM EST reply actions  

Its just so hard to have money in all the big sites if youre an American

Giving Shogun his props. I had the fight 48-47 Machida but Shogun put up a monumental performance and I am honored to have seen it in person.

by Day Man on Dec 5, 2009 4:47 PM EST reply actions  

a lot of this has to do with odds makers not being as educated about mma as they are with other sports. Usually the lines hold pretty true. One of the perks of betting on a new sport.

by ryanwk628 on Dec 5, 2009 5:24 PM EST reply actions  

move to vegas

i love it here. you can go to the casinos throughout the week and watch the lines change. the whole algorithm to sports betting is interesting. while i can only place bets in as much as a week before the events, and even then the fighter options are limited. you can still get “early” lines if you keep watch on when they post them. i will probably head down to the palms tonight to see what kind of damage i can do to myself.

i got 50 on kimbo winning by RNC late in the second

ufc fan boy all the way

by georgehouse on Dec 5, 2009 5:30 PM EST reply actions  

just a feelin

…….

ufc fan boy all the way

by georgehouse on Dec 5, 2009 6:05 PM EST up reply actions  

That better pay like 300 to 1 if he has to finish in the second by RNC.

Spinning out solid gold, like Rumpelstiltskin.

by Heenan on Dec 5, 2009 6:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn’t risk $50 at those odds. I need to go back and watch his fight against Silva. The way I remember it, he showed more ground game than Kimbo prior to getting TKOd. I may be wrong though.

by cmsove on Dec 5, 2009 6:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I dunno how casinos have been doing so poorly lately with people like you around.

I dislike Matt Hughes. Shogun beat him like a dirty horse.

by MonkeyCHops on Dec 5, 2009 6:11 PM EST up reply actions  

The MMA lines are already pretty well set by the time the casinos in vegas put them up.

Giving Shogun his props. I had the fight 48-47 Machida but Shogun put up a monumental performance and I am honored to have seen it in person.

by Day Man on Dec 5, 2009 6:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Internet offshores >>> Vegas

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by Mike Fagan on Dec 5, 2009 8:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I can’t believe that almost came in. I was fucking shocked when Kimbo had his back in the 2nd. You ALMOST came out looking brilliant.

Spinning out solid gold, like Rumpelstiltskin.

by Heenan on Dec 6, 2009 12:15 AM EST up reply actions  

I’ve been pimping this for awhile.

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by Mike Fagan on Dec 5, 2009 5:59 PM EST reply actions  

I figured...

but certain things lately served as a major reminder. That penn line was stupid

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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 5, 2009 7:33 PM EST up reply actions  

The original Mousasi open vs. Sobral was worse.

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by Mike Fagan on Dec 5, 2009 8:01 PM EST up reply actions  

True

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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 5, 2009 8:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Anyone remember what Machida opened at against Rashad?

by ufc4 on Dec 5, 2009 6:15 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

-160 something in Vegas I think

Giving Shogun his props. I had the fight 48-47 Machida but Shogun put up a monumental performance and I am honored to have seen it in person.

by Day Man on Dec 5, 2009 6:16 PM EST up reply actions  

So if you bet real money at some of the sites, and you bet on a line early at say -100 and the line changes to -300, then your bet still stays at -100 and not -300 right? If so then just making sure cause although its fake money i’m pretty sure mmaplayground changes your bet to whatever the line is when they close the betting.

by bigislandboi808 on Dec 5, 2009 7:41 PM EST reply actions  

Dont think MMAplayground changes their lines but with real bets you get the odds when you make the bet

Giving Shogun his props. I had the fight 48-47 Machida but Shogun put up a monumental performance and I am honored to have seen it in person.

by Day Man on Dec 5, 2009 7:49 PM EST up reply actions  

mma playground adjusts their odds..

but they don’t get locked if you get them in early.. kinda lame though.

by Anton Tabuena on Dec 6, 2009 5:42 PM EST up reply actions  

A lot of those fighters you mentioned lost, so doesn’t that mean the guys that won gave the best returns later? Iz my math teh suck?

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by judonerd on Dec 6, 2009 12:07 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

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