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It's no secret that I'm no technical expert, particularly on striking. So I asked Lee Payton of the newest SBN combat sports blog The Boxing Bulletin to break down Kimbo's game for me. Here's what Lee said:

Kimbo Slice has 4 major problems when it comes to his boxing.

First is a poor grasp of boxing fundamentals and timing. One of his bad habits is telegraphing big shots by bringing his fist back before he lets go with one. He's off-balance most of the time, especially if the fight lasts more than a few minutes. Poor technique and stamina cause there to be a lot of time and space between his shots, but it doesn't help that he always seems to be looking for the single punch KO. If the opponent can back him up, more than half the work is done because he is no danger off the back foot. Anyone with a length advantage has an easier time because Kimbo does not know how to close the distance effectively. He can't possibly win if he doesn't apply consistent pressure.

Another issue is his lack of quickness. He is slow and many of his moves are unnatural. Boxing is a speed game and Kimbo just doesn't have it.

We've seen Slice hurt by smaller guys, and with some less than devastating blows. Based on what he's shown so far, you have to conclude that his ability to take the incoming is less than average. It's certainly not up there with top fighters in either sport. Boxing and MMA are hurt businesses. You can't go far if you can't deal with getting hit.

Poor wind has plagued Kimbo since his days as a backyard brawler. Now that he's a professional MMA fighter, his endurance has improved from horrible to significantly below average. It doesn't seem as though Kimbo will ever learn how to pace himself. As seconds pass, his technique only gets sloppier. Bad form only feeds into the fatigue, which can bring disastrous results. I'm sure he'll relax more as his career progresses, but for now...

I consider Kimbo's hands to be average at best in the MMA world. Most guys have some of the basics down, which gives them an edge over Slice, but he evens things up on strength alone. His only chance to win is on the feet, yet I don't believe he has the skills to make standing up much of an advantage for himself. Anyone with some striking talent, or proper schooling in any of the standing martial arts should be considered the favourite going in, in my opinion.

To be blunt, Kimbo Slice wouldn't be a top 200 heavyweight in boxing today.

Just another buff looking guy who can't really fight. He'd probably have to stick to fighting sub .500 fighters in places like Kansas, Texas and Kentucky in order to have a winning record. I would confidently pick everyone in the top 100 to knock him out. The fact that participants are allowed to mug and wrestle and toss their opponents around is really the only thing Kimbo has going for himself in MMA because he can't grapple and isn't very talented with his fists, but he is a very strong man.

It's like a guy in the gym who can bang the punching bag like Hell, but can't hit anything in the ring. Kimbo can't find the target on his own, so it's up to Dana White and UFC matchmaker Joe Silva to do their best to give it to him.

Lee breaks down some specific moments from Kimbo's MMA career in the full entry, with animated gifs.

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E9t0ki_jpg_mediumDescribing the infamous moment on the left, Lee writes:

As Kimbo rushes in low and tries for the big right, he gets clipped on the chin with a short right counter jab which was delivered with only one foot on the ground. Slice never saw the punch and fell on his face. This happened because Kimbo "loaded up" the right. By bringing his arm back to throw the punch he gave Petruzelli more time and space to land something of his own. He also loses power by changing what could have been a short, effective blow into a punch that is sloppy and easy to see coming.

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But Lee is a fair arbiter and had good things to say about Kimbo's takeout of Tank Abbott:

The finishing combination is the best I have ever seen from Kimbo. Smelling blood, he dialed in a 1-2-3 and a quick, straight right to the jaw sent Tank to the floor for good. The clean-up left hook missed, but it had murder on it.

We'll see if Kimbo has improved his game against Houston Alexander this Saturday.

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It's telling

that Kimbo’s best moment in the sport came against a way past his prime (if there ever was such a thing for Tank), out of shape, irrelevant brawler.

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by lowellthehammer on Dec 4, 2009 11:11 AM EST reply actions  

Rough but fair.

It shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone that Kimbo has terrible form. Considering his build, he would have to have terrible boxing technique for that to translate into so little damage when he lands.

by Razreshat on Dec 4, 2009 11:12 AM EST reply actions  

smart breakdown

In all honesty what has Kimbo shown us in his pro MMA fights? Take away the Youtube backyard brawls and what are you left with?

slow below average striker who can’t counter very well.

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by ultmma on Dec 4, 2009 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

His time at ATT will no doubt help but it may be too little too late for a athlete in his mid to late 30s

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by ultmma on Dec 4, 2009 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Totally agree. Power doesn’t trump skill.

Like many guys that love Mike Tyson, they tend to forget how skilled Tyson was under Cus D’amato.

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by VeeisAnimated on Dec 4, 2009 11:13 AM EST reply actions  

Tyson had a terrific approach that took advantage of his height.

Those left hooks to the body he would throw were frightening to watch.

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by Llewdor on Dec 4, 2009 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

That Petruzelli gif

is hilarious. It would be comical if it hadn’t been a professional fight. Thanks for the analysis, by the way. If Houston’s coach Mick is smart he’ll tell him to sit on that counter punch, and this will all be over with in under 2 minutes.

by rzor on Dec 4, 2009 11:20 AM EST reply actions  

In fairness, Petruzelli is an excellent kickboxer. Much better (and bigger) than Houston.

I’m not sure Houston could pull that trick off. His boxing isn’t all that crisp. He is much better in the clinch raining down knees and uppercuts.

by Steve4192 on Dec 4, 2009 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Sherman Pendergarst is the answer

to both questions.

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by lowellthehammer on Dec 4, 2009 11:28 AM EST reply actions  

Did anyone stop to think that

… training in ATT Florida might have shown Kimbo where he was falling short on his striking skills and he has adapted a little??

by VikingPhotography on Dec 4, 2009 11:32 AM EST reply actions  

Kimbo's track record

of actually doing the work he needs to do to improve is quite bad.

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by Kid Nate on Dec 4, 2009 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Bas Rutten trained him for a while

and Kimbo apparently learned next to nothing. Not sure who’s to blame, but I suspect that pattern will continue with Kimbo where ever he trains.

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by Kid Nate on Dec 4, 2009 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Nate's right

And the other problem with Kimbo Slice analysis is that it always presumes his improvement is about to make him “turn the corner” into UFC ability. But he could turn 50 corners at still not be there. He’s not a few training camps away from the elite level.

by Luke Thomas on Dec 4, 2009 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

 the comments he made regarding ATT kind of sound disturbing, like he was not too fond of his experience there. Word going around is that ATT pretty much wants to end the experiment. I hope that isn’t the case.

by The Bronzeville Bully on Dec 4, 2009 12:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I would expect that the Kimbo freak show

is a bit much for a big time gym with lots of serious fighters to train.
ATT is already pretty much a circus by being so huge and having so many top guys, add Kimbo and Icey Mike and all that and I would expect it to get silly fast.

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by Kid Nate on Dec 4, 2009 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

What about his new clinch and sprawl game? His training footage from tuf was impressive compared to his old videos.

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by judonerd on Dec 4, 2009 1:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Slice never saw the punch and fell on his face. This happened because Kimbo “loaded up” the right.

I have to disagree here.

Kimbo didn’t see that punch coming because of the front kick that preceded it. He was not prepared to face a guy who used his legs as weapons and got caught watching Seth’s feet rather than his hands.

Of course, I’m not surprised a boxing guy failed to even acknowledge the role of the kick in setting up that punch.

by Steve4192 on Dec 4, 2009 11:33 AM EST reply actions  

Actually, now that I think about it, wasn’t a major part of the ‘Standgate’ mess that the Shaw’s told Seth not to use ‘Thai style’ kicks in that fight? Just goes to show that even they knew Kimbo wasn’t prepared to face a kickboxer.

by Steve4192 on Dec 4, 2009 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Did you really have to be a dick with the last line?

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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 4, 2009 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Wasn’t trying to be a dick.

Perhaps I could have phrased it more diplomatically, but I hardly think I went overboard. I think that was pretty mild as insults go.

by Steve4192 on Dec 4, 2009 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I’m not sure how he was being a dick? I think he was pointing out the fact that the analysis was coming from a Boxing blog – hence the guy not equating kicks into his breakdown.

by HappyLittleTreez on Dec 4, 2009 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed. Mma is not boxing and a pure boxers anaylsis of mma will tend to overcritique the hands and disregard the total game strategy.

Of course kimbo sucks at boxing. So does 95% of mma fighters.

I would like to get this guy to look at Houston next for a more fair comparison.

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by judonerd on Dec 4, 2009 1:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

If Kimbo wins they give him Liddell, if he loses they give him Petruzelli

Go get that bread, Kimbo Slice. - Mike Fagan

by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Dec 4, 2009 11:54 AM EST reply actions  

Liddell/Kimbo would be huge. I’m not gonna lie…I want to see that. Only if he has a good showing against Houston though.

by HappyLittleTreez on Dec 4, 2009 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Seth would kill him again. Especially without having to worry about the ‘no takedowns’ and ‘no thai kicks’ stipulations of the Shaws.

For all the crap Seth takes about the pink hair and the homoerotic pictures with Tom Lawlor, he is actually a really dangerous striker.

by Steve4192 on Dec 4, 2009 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Kimbo wouldn't be matched against either Couture, Liddell or any other 205'ers

The bout against Houston Alexander is taking place at a catchweight of 215; Kimbo is already reportedly feeling “grouchy” with the cutting process and I wouldn’t want to be around him today close to the on-the-scales time.

Liddell has always fought at LHW and is thus unlikely to want to be matched up with someone who could have 30+ pounds on him come fight night, even though Liddell walks around at about 220 (prior to his “Dancing with the Stars” days)

As for Couture yes, he’s fought at HW but I very much doubt he has any interest in going to that weight class again anytime soon. He’s quite small for a HW and, as he said at the post-fight at ’105, he wants to make a run at the LHW title.

If Kimbo gets past Alexander, then I say that perhaps Antoni Hardonk would be a good opponent – actually he’d be quite the handful for Kimbo. Any other takers?

by VikingPhotography on Dec 4, 2009 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

god

Hardonk would kill Kimbo. Booking that fight would be a war crime.

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by Kid Nate on Dec 4, 2009 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Is there anyone else in the HW division that wouldn't??

I mean, Kimbo takes on Alexander and IF he wins, who next?? There’s talk circulating about Seth Petruzelli getting a rematch with him but Seth isn’t with the UFC right now.

It would be shrewd matchmaking by the UFC if they got Seth under contract to do this but Seth would possibly want a shedload of cash to take that match, knowing it would probably push PPV numbers through the roof.

Alternatives??

by VikingPhotography on Dec 4, 2009 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Just to be clear. He’s got
poor boxing
bad cardio
no ground game
can’t take a punch
so you’re saying he’s got a chance?

by John Nash on Dec 4, 2009 12:05 PM EST reply actions  

All those = can beat someone with poor defence, but likes to bang.

I think it honestly is about a 60/40 in favor of Houston winning, but if Kimbo put him to sleep, I wouldn’t be suprised. And heaven forbid if Houston comes out looking for a takedown…if Kimbo can defend against Roy Nelson decently, Houston is going to eat some big punches if he trys some sloppy takedowns.

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by Kaleb Kelchner on Dec 4, 2009 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

How did Kimbo defend against Roy decently, sure he stuffed a couple takedowns but he was on his back both rounds and did absolutely nothing once he got there.

by ufc4 on Dec 4, 2009 12:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Reading comprehension is your friend. Context clues ftw.

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by Kaleb Kelchner on Dec 4, 2009 1:08 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Just to stir the pot...

in what alternate reality has Houston ever tried for a takedown?

by Razreshat on Dec 4, 2009 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I just remember the choke slam against Thiago Silva.

by woomikee on Dec 4, 2009 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah. That was great. He lifts him clear off the ground.

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by pud333 on Dec 4, 2009 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Your point is valid, but his reluctance to say that he wants to come out and bang makes me wonder if he thinks he will do what Roy did to Kimbo, or something similar. It’s a long shot, but if Houston would go for a takedown EVER in his fight career, this is the fight it will happen in, especially if he gets rocked.

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by Kaleb Kelchner on Dec 4, 2009 6:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Like I said, he stuffed a couple takedowns, but he still ended up right where Roy wanted him sooner rather than later.

by ufc4 on Dec 4, 2009 3:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

The whole point I was making was that Roy, an experienced grappler, didn’t put Kimbo on his ass as quickly as I myself expected. Now, if Houston was to think getting on top of Kimbo on the ground = garunteed victory, and he tried that, I think Houston’s striking defence will fail him miserably and he’ll be going to sleep.

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by Kaleb Kelchner on Dec 4, 2009 6:03 PM EST up reply actions  

All the news reports I’m seeing indicate that Kimbo is having a tough time with the weight cut. Even at 230-ish, he looks pretty well-defined. Kimbo’s probably just a little too big to make 205 but not big enough to compete with legit heavyweights.

Houston is far from well-rounded but he is very explosive and has big power in his fists and knees. Houston also has more experience, a lot less pressure on him to win, and will have no problems making weight.

I bet big on Houston with fantasy money. Kimbo could be coming into this bout mentally and physically broken – a bad combo for a guy with a very limited skillset.

by MMAEruption on Dec 4, 2009 12:06 PM EST reply actions  

From what I have read he is not cutting weight at all. He is just dieting down to 215 rather than staying at 230 and using dehydration techniques.

I think that says a lot about his relationship with ATT, the Mecca of MMA weight cutters. If that relationship was solid, you would think they would be coaching him up on how to properly cut weight.

by Steve4192 on Dec 4, 2009 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

http://allelbows.com/?p=2061

“Kimbo Slice finally arrived during his slot but due to his harsh weight cut, did not workout, but simply posed for the cameras and did a scrum interview. Kimbo remembered Casey and I (and Ariel), as did all his boys, so we reminisced for a few short moments before being cut off by the rushed schedule. He looked a bit worn and in pain from the cut, so I didn’t pester him, but I’m awfully curious about these amazing steaks everyone in the TUF house brags about.”

by MMAEruption on Dec 4, 2009 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

The guy is too old to be cutting weight for the very first time before the biggest fight of his life.

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by judonerd on Dec 4, 2009 1:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Kimbo’s boxing against Tank is better than any boxing skills Houston Alexander has shown in the UFC, just to be fair.

by Hardcharger on Dec 4, 2009 12:20 PM EST reply actions  

…what? Well, in fairness, Houston has faced much better competition than Slice has(like Jardine and T. Silva), who had other strengths besides standing there and slugging it out w/ him. Particularly in his fights against Jardine and Sakara Houston showed some great clinch striking. Some of Kimbo’s best striking was against Tank and James Thompson. ’nuff said.

by Hardcase on Dec 4, 2009 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

to be fair

how many heavyweights have good boxing?

nog, arlovski, pat barry maybe? anyone else? i actually think kimbo’s boxing is above average when compared to all the heavyweights.

by dr. ransom on Dec 4, 2009 12:24 PM EST reply actions  

Im listening to the Jordan Breen show from yesterday and not only did he pick Kimbo to win (albeit with the caveat that your playing with probability) but he says that Kimbo has better technical boxing. Kind of suprised by that.

by Rabbit915 on Dec 4, 2009 12:32 PM EST reply actions  

But Houston’s hands are a LOT faster. Kimbo would need to have a pretty big technique advantage to overcome that.

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by Llewdor on Dec 4, 2009 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Evidence of Houston’s handspeed?

He’s never stood and traded successfully. He only succeeded when he could grab a guy and then punch.

by Hardcharger on Dec 4, 2009 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Where are you seeing this great hand speed out of Alexander?

He has never been terribly effective standing at boxing range and exchanging punches.

by Steve4192 on Dec 4, 2009 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Houston's not a very good boxer either

But he is fearsome in the clinch.

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by Kid Nate on Dec 4, 2009 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

^ This

The notion that Houston is an above-average boxer is false. He has a nasty clinch game, but is not terribly impressive at boxing range. I can’t recall him ever doing any damage with pure boxing. He always hurts guys with knees, dirty boxing, and in his most recent fight, leg kicks.

by Steve4192 on Dec 4, 2009 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

But Houston doesn’t seem to telegraph like Kimbo does. One of Houston’s big problems is that he doesn’t seem to have very good reach, which is maybe why he’s so successful in the clinch. I think that saying either of these guys have technical advantages is like analyzing peewee hockey for the technical differences. There isn’t much to work with.

by Dooda on Dec 4, 2009 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Houston has a HUGE technical advantage in the clinch. His ability to control his opponent’s head and use knees/elbows/uppcuts/hooks to punish him are skills that Kimbo does not have.

Houston also showed some pretty damn impressive leg kicks in his last fight, and with Kimbo’s knee problwms being aired on national TV, he has a pretty damn tempting target to throw those kicks at.

by Steve4192 on Dec 4, 2009 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I was kind of disappointed...

I’ve never bet before, but I remember the Kimbo-Thompson lines were like 600/+450 or something ridiculous like that. So I thought if that happened again say like Houston at 170 or something I was going to bet for the first time.

I want people to hype up Kimbo as much as possible!

by TLow on Dec 4, 2009 1:07 PM EST reply actions  

Haha goddamnit. I did NOT mean to strike that out….

by TLow on Dec 4, 2009 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I liked it that way.

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by MonkeyCHops on Dec 4, 2009 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m glad you did this because I kept commenting on it and no one seemed to agree with me, or at least chime in with me.

His whole body is sort of top heavy, so his body is really stiff before he throws the punch instead of being relaxed and then explodes into the punch. At his age I really wonder if it’s something that he can correct.

But Alexander is much more impressive physically. He has those giant trunk legs that, when he uses them, are death in a punch. That uppercut on Jardine had ass on it and it showed. Kimbo can’t do that because he doesn’t have much ass, and all his mass is in his shoulders, making it look like he’s literally swinging anvils.

by Dooda on Dec 4, 2009 1:17 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

He has those giant trunk legs that, when he uses them, are death in a punch. That uppercut on Jardine had ass on it and it showed.

truth, but also entertaining wordage lol.

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by Loot on Dec 4, 2009 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow, great piece, fellows. I hope this can become a regular feature, especially before fights between strikers.

It’s a nice alternative to the “This guy likes to bang” pre-game report.

by casey manrique on Dec 4, 2009 1:53 PM EST reply actions  

Oops, I didn’t realize this is a “judo chop” which is of course a regular feature. I meant that I hope to see more expert analysis by the likes of Payton et al.

by casey manrique on Dec 4, 2009 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

working on it!

Hoping to include more analysis by experts in the judo chops — we’ve had pro-fighters and wrestling coaches contribute analysis before.

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by Kid Nate on Dec 4, 2009 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Cool, I love the Judo Chop!

by casey manrique on Dec 4, 2009 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Seriously Nate

My favorite part of the site! While I love the news and editorials whether I agree with ‘em or not – I’m a process junkie and this keeps me high.

by asa on Dec 4, 2009 4:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Great analysis by the Boxing Bulletin. The way I see Kimbo is:

- He’s a nice and humble dude. This is the mandatory “I like Kimbo but…” comment before I criticize him :)
- This is it for him. There’s no massive improvement in sight, it’s now or nothing.
- His work ethic is suspect. Even if he is working hard, I don’t think he’s absorbing anything. If after training with Bas, and now with ATT, he hasn’t improved, there’s no reason to believe he ever will.
- His only real chance to win in the UFC relies on the first two or three minutes, with constant pressure. Unfortunately this kind of offense relies on a deep gas tank to go three rounds, which Kimbo doesn’t have, or ever will have.
- Kimbo better make the most of it while he can if he loses to Houston, because you know damn well the UFC will make the most of Kimbo’s celebrity before dropping him. If Kimbo is going to lose, he’d better have a FOTN fight.

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by pud333 on Dec 4, 2009 1:59 PM EST reply actions  

The other thing I wonder, is if someone at ATT ever coached Kimbo on how to cut weight properly? Because if you watch the interviews and his responses to the cutting questions, it’s clear he has no idea what he’s doing. I mean, if he is truly learning things, you’d think this is something he’d learn quickly because this is the first time he’s ever cut, and at his age, with everything on the line, you’d think he’d want to do things right.

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by pud333 on Dec 4, 2009 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Good job on bringing more blogs into the fold

I like that there’s a seemingly tight-knit relationship between SBN’s sites. I’ve been reading the Saints blog, and they do a lot of features with members of their opponents’ blogs. I also wish that the Pro-Wrestling blog Cageside Seats would be listed under “Combat Sports” instead of “Other”. There’s many crossover fans between them, and they do cover quite a bit of MMA.

Good write-up. We get much info on the grappling part, but little on the hands.

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by Scott C. Broussard on Dec 4, 2009 2:15 PM EST reply actions  

thanks for the feedback

There’s resistance to including CageSide in “Combat Sports” since they’re technically not covering a sport, but we’ll see if attitudes change.

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by Kid Nate on Dec 4, 2009 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I figured that was the reason since it’s more scripted – I know that many MMA fans want to distance themselves from the theatrics of wrestling. I’m not overly concerned, and I like the idea of increasing the ecumenical aspects the site.

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by Scott C. Broussard on Dec 4, 2009 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Why is everyone talking about Kimbo vs Chuck/Randy?

Because it will sell? He doesn’t deserve to be paired with proven legends of the sport..

Match him up with people at his level of experience.. (oh but that won’t sell!) ..It will if his opponent’s name is also marketable… GRACIE.

that way, whoever wins, surely gets marketed well and becomes a hotter prospect that millions of people know.

by Anton Tabuena on Dec 4, 2009 2:42 PM EST reply actions  

Renzo?

Awesome.

I do think the money matches are better long term, though. Use his name to help up-and-comers gain notoriety. Bones vs Kimbo, for instance. No fan will expect him to win, but it will be a business card for Bones like no other. Whoever Kimbo fights will end up on ESPN so make it someone who needs the exposure and can run with it.

by asa on Dec 4, 2009 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Rolles Gracie

Heavyweight, Gracie name, UFC contract, first UFC fight is 4 weeks after TUF 10. It’s an easy sell and a great builder for a future star who is still pretty green in MMA. Given what we’ve seen from Kimbo though, I give any Gracie favorable odds to beat him. Kyra and Kron included.

by pdl on Dec 4, 2009 3:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Kyra mos def

I gotta go with Bones or A-Bomb though. More promising return I think.

by asa on Dec 4, 2009 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

lol.. Renzo will be fighting at 170..

I said people at a level of kimbo’s experience.. Obviously that guy isn’t Renzo. haha.

Rolles Gracie weighs around 245.. also relatively new to MMA.. also recently signed to the UFC, also has a famous name.. Why not make two guys with roughly the same level of experience go at it, instead of matching Kimbo up against legends?

At least you get to build up a marketable prospect after.

by Anton Tabuena on Dec 4, 2009 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Heh-heh heh-heh! Renzo via LHK! R2

But I agree with the building someone young aspect. I think Gracie’s too untested in the Octagon, while Bones is proven to make fans in every fight. He’s got the energy to captivate a Kimbo fan while I can’t say for sure that Rolles can, but that’s due to unfamiliarity with Rolles combined with my unabashed fandom of Bones.

So Kimbo draws in fans, Bones takes them. However I’m down with anyone who’s on the rise and realizing their potential getting the Rub from Kimbo. Right now I think Bones is the strongest choice since he’s most likely to make the defeat memorable and marketable. The Anderson option is more about exposing the best in MMA to the public using someone very recognizable who would also defeat the Slice in spectacular fashion.

by asa on Dec 4, 2009 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

so feeding Kimbo to get Knocked out really bad, is better matchmaking than giving a guy on the same level?

Rolles IS untested.. That’s the point in making the fight.. They already matching him up against Houston, and you still want him to get KOed bad by feeding him to Anderson Silva?

“Let’s get this guy killed, so his opponent will be famous.. Let’s feed our best pound for pound fighter some cans so he’d be more recognized.” Boy Joe Silva would love you in his staff.. haha. :)

by Anton Tabuena on Dec 4, 2009 5:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Seth Petruzelli

An unknown who beats Kimbo doesn’t become special methinks. I see this as a chance to get maximum exposure to someone who can run with it and make something out of it.

And Kimbo is a can to anyone in the UFC. I don’t think he’d survive against a lightweight.

by asa on Dec 4, 2009 6:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Which is why I wish Elite had booked that Brett Rogers fight back before they imploded. Could have repackaged him as the new, better, and real Kimbo.

by John Nash on Dec 4, 2009 6:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Let’s get this guy killed, so his opponent will be famous..

That’s kind of the entire game, isn’t it? :) Forrest, Leben Franklin.

Let’s feed our best pound for pound fighter some cans Super Famous Guy Who Draws so he’d be more recognized.

by asa on Dec 4, 2009 6:22 PM EST up reply actions  

that's just a dumb comparison isn't it?

Leben was his debut fight for the UFC..

Franklin was the champion.

Forrest was top 5 at a weightclass higher than him..

by Anton Tabuena on Dec 4, 2009 7:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Just because Anderson whooped them all, doesn't mean it was purposely set up so that "he'd be more recognized"

comparing those to Anderson Silva vs Kimbo Slice is just plain stupid.. There’s no way to sugar coat it.. sorry.

by Anton Tabuena on Dec 4, 2009 7:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Ha ha!

Nothing to be sorry about! I’m used to your style, man.

I was comparing the idea of him destroying – utterly – someone the fans knew and getting even higher up the “totem pole.” The three I mentioned are no comparison to Kimbo as far as skill or standing, but rather that he would be someone to take Silva even higher in the public’s eye. Each of those victories made a huge impact on fan’s perception of him and each were incrementally more recognized/famous. Forrest was incredibly loved and got taken out in a way never seen in MMA.

Kimbo getting a whooping like that would be an insane advertisement for MMA. Unbelievable highlight for sports shows. And since Dana still seems to be pushing him as the P4P best I think something like that could really do it.

by asa on Dec 4, 2009 9:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Kimbo has no chance. Houston by destruction.

Keep firing Assholes!

More pale flesh hit the ice than that time they gutted a seal on APTN.

by Ubernoober on Dec 4, 2009 3:21 PM EST reply actions  

You know this may sound really strange, but Kimbo is going to knock out Houston in the first two minutes. Don’t ask me how I know, because I won’t be able to tell you, but it will happen.

Roy Nelson also loses by KO.

Hopefully I’ll remember to come back to this post after the event.

by goodbones on Dec 4, 2009 6:59 PM EST reply actions  

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