Shinya Aoki Sets New Lows for Sportsmanship at Dynamite!! 2009 by Breaking Mizuto Hirota's Arm and Then Taunting Him
by Kid Nate on Dec 31, 2009 12:09 PM EST
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Shinya Aoki has broken an opponent's arm before -- he snapped Keith Wisniewski's arm at a Shooto bout in 2005 (video here) -- and he's taunted opponents after matches before but he reached a new low at this morning's Dynamite!! 2009 bout against Sengoku Lightweight champ Mizuto Hirota, deliberately breaking his arm and then taunting him after the fight.
Aoki may have been seeking revenge for teammate Satoru Kitaoka who lost the Sengoku title to Hirota a few months ago.
Here's MMA Junkie's "just the facts ma'am" description:
Aoki, a submission ace, wasted little time in closing the distance and moving the fight to the floor. Once there, Aoki swarmed on the attack and immediately worked Hirota into a compromising position. With Hirota's arm wrenched behind his back, Aoki torqued the limb and shoulder while securing mount. Unable to force a submission, Aoki turned Hirota to his back and continued to work the isolated appendage.
With a hammerlock in place, and the weight of his body against Hirota's single arm, Aoki cranked the hold until the arm snapped. The match was immediately halted, though it was far too late to save the arm. Aoki stood up, and in a show of sportsmanship that would make Brock Lesnar blush, stuck a middle finger in the face of his injured opponent.
MMA Weekly's description also deserves a shout out:
In a battle of lightweight champions, Dream's Shinya Aoki immediately put Sengoku's Mizuto Hirota on the mat and took mount with Hirota's arm wrapped up and behind his own back. Aoki then proceeded to, quite literally, break Hirota's arm in an odd sort of twisting armbar. The maneuver popped Hirota's elbow out of place, leaving his forearm flaccid.
Following the finish, Aoki put himself up for non-sportsman of the year by screaming at Hirota and shoving his middle finger in the Sengoku champion's face.
Video and gif after the break.
Gif via Watch Kalib Run
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he’s trying to be bj penn….. acting crazy after the fight then sprinting backstage? please…. i know you’ll disagree with me but it was obviously
by cagefightonacid on Dec 31, 2009 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
The ice truck killer........
"Hello, Japan"
by rembrandt on Jan 1, 2010 4:36 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Is everyone sure it was the middle finger? People seem to be pretty sure, but I honestly can’t tell from the youtube video. I am sure it is clearer on hdnet. It was clearly a taunt, so its not really a big deal which finger it was, but he could be doing the “I am number one, bitch” taunt.
Some people think I am a dumb, ugly human being, but really I am a beautiful ape, with exceptional verbal skills.
I want to be upset by this but I just can’t. I am a hopeless Aoki fanboy.
For the record he apologized for his post-match actions…
Oh, well, that makes it all better. /sarcasm
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart."
Rickson Gracie
Doesn’t make it right but I think acknowledgment is a good gesture. It was poor judgment from a big ego.
by lightmyf1re on Dec 31, 2009 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
Doesn't unbreak the dude's arm
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
The arm break is not the issue here. That was part of the match, there is honor in that. The disrespect in Aoki’s celebration is what he apologized for.
Maybe for you it's not
I respectfully disagree.
However, I realize my opinion is in the distinct minority among commenters. I’ve said my piece, and others will disagree. And somehow, the sun will rise again tomorrow even if I fail to persuade a single person. I’m OK with that. :)
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
You know, you can't make me...
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!
TWO MAN DISAGREE! ONE MAN LEAVE!
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by jemaleddin on Dec 31, 2009 2:22 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
That's a rec
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
Remember Maynard vs. Huerta?
Huerta wouldn’t tap. Maynard said in interviews that he heard a pop and said to the ref “I’m gonna break it!” when it was clear that Roger wasn’t going to quit. Do you take issue with that as well?
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
I'll have to watch the fight
Seems to me the ref’s role in these situations needs to be explored a little more closely, too.
Who reffed Maynard / Huerta?
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
I do not remember...
I think it was either Yves Lavigne or Herb Dean, can’t remember off the top of my head. I can check later and get back to you on it though.
I’m not trying to be combative, I’m really interested in understanding your position and why you are the real outlier in the field of opinions here. Roger said that no matter what happened he wasn’t going to tap out, and Maynard said that he was going to use his best efforts to break Roger’s arm. They each made these comments post fight, and they are both very respectful, talented competitors in the UFC. I’m just trying to understand what makes you react more to this incident than the same intention clearly and calmly stated later.
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
I hedged my comments..
because I hadn’t seen the fight.
And not to belabor a point, because I’ve mentioned it WAY too often in my comments, but I coach HS wrestling. It’s in my fiber to teach kids you don’t purposefully injure an opponent. Cause extreme discomfort? Sure. But you don’t bend against a joint and you don’t set out to injure someone.
That said, I know the rules are different in MMA. Cognitively, I do. But having grown up with and coached a sport where that mindset is instilled from Day One – compete your hardest, dominate your opponent, but you don’t look to purposefully injure them – well, I guess maybe it’s the mindset I’m bringing into the sport that’s the problem. The idea of purposefully trying to break an opponent’s arm strikes me as unethical.
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
It’s not in mma though. It’s one of the methods of victory in MMA.
What are you supposed to do if you have someone in an armbar and they won’t tap? I don’t understand how you can feel the way you do without having an answer for that question. And I’m not sure why you feel a broken arm is so much worse than a broken face or a KO.
yeah, i wasn’t around the site (was BE alive?) when Mir snapped Sylvia’s arm, but I’ve never heard any uproar over that
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by Anthony Pace on Dec 31, 2009 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
are you suggesting the outrage over the broken arm is a directly related to the post-fight stuff? seems like the breakage is a separate entity in some of these arguments, or at least is being put forth that way
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
by Anthony Pace on Dec 31, 2009 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
I think that's true only for me
Everyone else seems to be fine with the broken arm.
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
Exactly. Look at the difference between Aoki and Overeem. Reem was checking to see if Fujita was okay after brutally destroying him, Aoki gave the finger to a gravely injured Hirota. It’s just not fucking cool. I’d say it’s worse than what Brock did after beating Mir because while Mir’s face was fucked up he didn’t have any broken limbs.
Lesnar taunted Herring
who had a broken orbital bone, amongst other injuries.
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
I guess part of my answer would be
expect the ref to do his job. But, if the ref doesn’t do his job, then I can see where a fighter feels he has no choice.
But Aoki looked like he was looking for an excuse to break the dude’s arm. Malice aforethought, I guess, would be the difference.
As far as why an arm break is less acceptable, I guess the reason for me is almost cultural. You grow up with boxing as a legit sport, and people get punched in the face and noses broken all the time.
Again,. I realize I’m in the minority. I’m not going to change anyone’s mind. And you’re probably not going to change mine. :)
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
you need malice to win a fight, which is what this is.
every hit in the nfl is filled with malice, and people get hurt sometimes. It’s fine when people get hurt according ot the rules, but when it’s against the rules, that’s when it’s bad.
Same thing here, except it’s legal to break someone’s arm. If you injure someone by breaking hte rules, then there’s a problem, but there’s nothing illegal in mma about breaking someone’s arm.
I agree with what you are saying but there is a difference between “ha ha I just won the fight” and “ha ha I just put your ass in the hospital” and that difference shouldn’t be glossed over.
Aoki didn’t just dominate his opponent he caused an injury that puts his opponent on the shelf, heck we don’t know how bad that injury is but for all we (or Aoki) knows it could be career threatening. Either way mocking an opponent is bad but there is a huge difference between Mir’s bloody nose and Hirota’s long term medical treatment needs from this. There is just a big difference between being mocking a opponent over winning a fight and being excited over putting a guy in the hospital.
Fair enough.
Makes a lot of sense, thanks for explaining.
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
I'm a firm believer
that reasonable people can disagree reasonably.
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
Either Herb or Yves
…because they look kinda similar?
Still laughing a little. :-)
by ununkvadrium on Dec 31, 2009 7:21 PM EST up reply actions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eO4T6D_MjjI&feature=related
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by Anthony Pace on Dec 31, 2009 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
by Anthony Pace on Dec 31, 2009 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
is that a kit-kat bar from like 1956?
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
by Anthony Pace on Dec 31, 2009 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
the kit kat bar has the letters pressed into it. That robs you of chocolate!
by Austin Martin on Dec 31, 2009 3:02 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
you owe me some letters
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by slapjaw ackrite on Dec 31, 2009 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
I wasn't an aoki fanboy, but I kinda like this
I mean I wouldn’t show it to my kids, but whatever. Just because you fought a guy doesn’t mean you still need to like him.
Just b/c you don’t like someone doesn’t mean the don’t deserve respect.
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart."
Rickson Gracie
I’m just getting a little tired of every fight in the UFC ending in hugs…Its not even genuine all the time…Maybe its the 8th grader in me, but I don’t mind some taunting every now and then, even in the most grizzly of circumstances.
I understand
It’s just that snapping a dudes arm is already a big enough statement. There’s no need to say anything else, It just makes Aoki look immature.
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart."
Rickson Gracie
Of course its immature
but I find it entertaining…I’m hardly outraged though.
The obvious comparison is to the Lesnar rant, which mind you was great for the UFC because they talked about it endlessly on ESPN. The only thing in the Lesnar rant that was really bad was the Bud Light stuff…The other stuff is just building the second fight.
In the end...
Aoki is a grown man, and can do whatever he wants. I just would expect more composure from such a veteran fighter and a champion.
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart."
Rickson Gracie
So intentionally breaking an oponent's arm
is all good?
I might need to rethink my fandom of MMA if that’s the case. I don’t need every fight to end in hugs, but I’d like to think there’s a line that’s drawn before intentionally breaking a dude’s arm because you want to embarrass him.
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
How is intentionally breaking someone’s arm worse than intentionally knocking someone out?
If you can’t handle arms getting broken, maybe you should rethink your fandom, it always has, and always will be part of the sport.
Last time I checked
A KO doesn’t take 4-6 weeks after surgery to recover from
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
Yeah, no one know how long a KO take to recover from.
Some people think I am a dumb, ugly human being, but really I am a beautiful ape, with exceptional verbal skills.
me caveman, me want eat
sry, had to
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by Anthony Pace on Dec 31, 2009 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
If you got it, you would ask me if I have ever had sex with a human or dog.
Some people think I am a dumb, ugly human being, but really I am a beautiful ape, with exceptional verbal skills.
^This
plz enlighten?
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by Anthony Pace on Dec 31, 2009 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
Watch this
Not sure it it will work, but I think its the right clip.
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oy, i never got into UCB
guess that’s from whence your sig hails
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by Anthony Pace on Dec 31, 2009 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
Truth, your loss. One of the greatest series of all time. It does take sitting through a few episodes before you love it. There are a lot of inside jokes and then once you know them every part of every episode is funny.
Some people think I am a dumb, ugly human being, but really I am a beautiful ape, with exceptional verbal skills.
Or until a doctor clear you
which usually happens significantly sooner, yes?
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
Maybe I do
Because that is fucking barbaric.
Yeah, I said it.
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
Tap and its all over, its really that simple. There is nothing wrong with applying a sub until the guy taps and the ref steps in.
Some people think I am a dumb, ugly human being, but really I am a beautiful ape, with exceptional verbal skills.
by szucconi on Dec 31, 2009 1:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
what was aoki supposed to do?
He has to give up a dominant position and give the guy a chance to escape because they guy doesn’t feel like tapping?
If you don’t want to get your arm broken, don’t fight BJJ black belts.
Sigh
The arm break isn’t the issue. The dude didn’t tap break the arm, a fighter has a responsibility to him self to know when he is done if they ignore that tough shit have fun in rehab. Being led out while a tape worm looking man with rainbow color tights sticks a middle finger in your face however isn’t your fault.
by Riley_96 on Dec 31, 2009 1:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Look above
Hirota had between 25 and 4 seconds to tap and didn’t. Why is this an issue.
Yes though people will get their arms, faces, etc broken intentionally.
If you can’t deal with that then watch another sport.
It’s a fight and there are rules and refs to enforce those rules. A fighter is doing everything in their power to end the fight. You have a good poker face but you gotta know when to fold ’em.
know when to walk away? KNOW WHEN TO RUN?
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by Anthony Pace on Dec 31, 2009 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
That was brutal. All that pressure to perform for your camp and Org guess got to him and Aoki was caught up in the moment. Emotions.
Yeah I think a combination of his emotions and ego got the best of him. No malice in it.
by lightmyf1re on Dec 31, 2009 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
Aoki has done these things b4. I’m pretty sure snapping a dudes arm then flipping him the bird implies malice. That’s the whole point of flipping the bird.
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart."
Rickson Gracie
Feed him and his pants to BJ Penn. Aoki won’t even know what a finger is after that fight.
MMAMoneyLine
Exactly
I’m sick of people talking about this guy. He’s a one trick pony who doesn’t deserve to be mentioned along with the likes of BJ Penn. Not only would BJ smash this punk i don’t think Aoki would beat any of the top level lightweights in the ufc. He’s got slick submissions and I respect that but he is overated as an MMA fighter.
by shortnorthjacket on Dec 31, 2009 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
with no stand-up?
yeah, i’m pretty sure that’s exactly what it is
by cagefightonacid on Dec 31, 2009 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
A lot of people forget that Sakurai and Aoki have actually fought twice. Sakurai won the first time too, but it went to a decision. It’s not like Sakurai/Aoki is some kind of guaranteed massacre.
by JRN on Jan 1, 2010 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
Hirota should have tapped. Unless he is a terribly inexperienced grappler – which he’s not – he should have seen this coming.
Not saying the break was sportsman-like or even necessary, but Hirota could have prevented it from ending that way.
by Ahhhoki on Dec 31, 2009 12:24 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
The break was totally fine. Hirota should have tapped. But, the taunting was over thee top.
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart."
Rickson Gracie
There was no tap, verbal or otherwise.
The ref jumped in when he saw the arm snap.
by Scott Haber on Dec 31, 2009 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
Would Aoki have know he was taping with the “flailing” legs.
I don’t recall ever seeing this in an MMA fight.
I have seen verbal subs, and ref stoppages due to breaks, but don’t recall legs flailing
When Otsuka got the double armbar on Mike Bourke
he tapped by stomping his feet on the mat…that was pretty funny to watch.
There’s also not much time between the moment you start to feel pain and the moment your arm breaks, especially if Aoki cranked that arm really hard.
by dancingChicken on Dec 31, 2009 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
He had all day to tap
I watched it again: Sorry I can’t identify all these announcers by voice
Here is the sequence.
3:12 “Aoki in control, good lord, the arm behind the back literally” Aoki is in a totally dominant position mounted with the arm wrenched. Hiorta has no hip movement and hasn’t been able to free the arm at all.
3:01 “He’s got it right there” At this point Aoki is going for the finish I don’t see how Hiorta is going to escape.
2:52 “Ohh, that’s got to be painful”
2:49 “That is a fully beatdown”
2:45 “Arm breaks”
So this wasn’t hirota not realizing he was done.
In my opinion this was Hirota refusing to tap and Aoki did what he had to do and snap his arm off. I can also see if Aoki’s opinion was something like, “You stupid fool, you made me break your arm”
2:24 Hirota ends up in bad position
2:28 Arm breaks.
by dancingChicken on Dec 31, 2009 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
OK
1. couldn’t you have stuck to the same timing convention.
2. I totally disagree the other positions didn’t look awful
3. 4 seconds is still plenty of time to tap…The delay in your central nervous system that your claiming is responsible for the arm break is WAYY less than 4 seconds.
My point is that 20 seconds earlier he should have said…I’m done…my arms gonna get broke…I’m looking to tap.
Hirota was showing warrior spirit..I give him credit for that, but no complaints when your Arm gets chicken winged.
I have no problem with his broken arm. Shit happensin a fight…
But before 2:24 he was struggling, but it’s hard to submitt someone with bending his arm behind his back, shoulder joint is pretty flexible. At 2:24 it was a wrap.
by dancingChicken on Dec 31, 2009 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
correction
2:49 "That is a bully beatdown"
and it was mayhem that said that.
Ricky Hatton came closer to beating Manny Pacquiao than Marquez did to beating Floyd.
-SC
by The Lethal Haze on Jan 1, 2010 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
Mayhem
Im shocked his commentary was so flat. He is a great radio personality on The Jason Ellis Show on SiriusXM mondays. Those two should do the PBP and color for a show.
i think a lot of it has to do with sitting next to Schiavello
What’re you supposed to do when you’ve got that insanity sitting next to you?
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by Cory Braiterman on Dec 31, 2009 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
What?
The innuendo during the Ishi-Yoshida groin kick display was some of the best i’ve ever heard. Thats the kind of stuff me and my friends say at the bar watching MMA. I was beside myself to hear announcers talking like that.
Ricky Hatton came closer to beating Manny Pacquiao than Marquez did to beating Floyd.
-SC
by The Lethal Haze on Jan 1, 2010 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
Are you impling something
deliberately breaking his arm
Isn’t that what you try to do? I don’t think Hirota tapped. Its not grappling in training where you want to give the guy a chance to tap. Its a fight you rip the guys arm off…
by SES 84 on Dec 31, 2009 12:27 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
I thought I was reading too much into Nate’s wording…I mean he cannot honeslty believe Aoki breaking his arm was unsporting? The taunting sure…
by lightmyf1re on Dec 31, 2009 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
Did try to armbar someone? There’s a difference between making someone tap and breaking his arm. Try both options, you’ll feel the difference.
by dancingChicken on Dec 31, 2009 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
Look at my sequence above
Hirota had all day to tap.
Also in an MMA fight, breaking someones arm ends the fight…what if you are looking for the tap and the guy escapes when you could have broken his arm…You break the guys arm.
In any case he gave Hirota 20 seconds IMO to tap.
I watched it again to be sure.
And what I saw is a man gettin’ his arm locked for several minutes not defending himself and refusing to tap. What did I missed ?
I'm not saying the ref should stop it
but he wasn’t escaping…if anything the sub looked progressively deeper…
Regardless, even if its only 4 seconds to tap that is still plenty…
The issue is not the arm breaking, its the taunting.
by SES 84 on Dec 31, 2009 1:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Aoki cranked his arm intentionally (to me it looked like it). That’s all. I’m not saying it was bad or ok. It happens in a fight. But there’s also difference between gradually putting pressure on joint to tap someone, and cranking the hold. That’s why you don’t see broken limbs after every submission – usually people are trying to make you tap.
by dancingChicken on Dec 31, 2009 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
Id be pissed
he had him for almost a minute. Anyone who rolls knows when they are finished. Mizuto wouldn’t tap, very disrespectful for a guy who just dominated you on the ground.
I roll...
And I’ve accidentally hurt people b4. And, I didn’t get up and taunt them.
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart."
Rickson Gracie
I don't think that was accidental
In the context of a fight I think its fine to break someones arm…I think the point was Aoki was even more pissed because there was no tap
by SES 84 on Dec 31, 2009 1:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yea, but when you have someone and you know youve got it, youre thinking “ok dude, what else do I need to do here?” so you crank it up a little. Still no tap “Dude, WTF? do you want me to brake you arm?” go a little harder… nope. “fine ass hole, Ill just break it”
Yea you like that? F you for not tapping!
by ryanwk628 on Dec 31, 2009 1:39 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
sounds fine until the end….. you broke a man’s arm, isn’t that enough ‘fuck you’?
by cagefightonacid on Jan 1, 2010 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
I love that he did this
puts the brock/mir thing into perspective, people blew that out of proportion because of who it was.
No one can defend these actions, completely classless. Aoki should be fined.
It is if your King Mo
Spilling soda in a ring is a fineable offense, but purposefully breaking an opponent arm’s is fine?
Am I missing something here?
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Athletic commissions.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 31, 2009 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
I'm more confused
at the outrage against BROCKLESNAR at UFC 100 and King Mo after his last fight, where there was no attempt to purposefeully injure, and this fight, where the middle finger is an outrage, yet purposefully breaking an opponent’s arm is all fair in love and war.
I just have a hard time finding a logistical consistency here, that’s all.
But your point about AC’s is well taken.
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
During the fight vs after the fight.
That’s all.
Plus, there was no real outrage towards mo. More like, you’re an idiot for spilling shit on the mat, and you’re a bigger idiot for saying you’re going to keep doing it after they already fined you once.
It’s just like in football. Destroy the quarterback while he has the ball in his hand and you’re a hero, touch him after it’s gone, you’re a villain.
Oh…I personally think the Aoki thing is worse because of what happened right before than the Lesnar or Mo stuff. I’m just saying the difference between those and Shinya’s thing is that the fine (at least the Mo fine) came from an athletic commission.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 31, 2009 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
If you hate MMA I doubt anyone cares if you liked it or not.
by ufc4 on Dec 31, 2009 2:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Is this a joke Kid Nate?
“deliberately breaking his arm”
Was Aoki supposed to release his submission attempt because Hirota did not want to tap?
Well it was deliberate for exactly that reason, of course as has been gone over and over and over and over here it wasn’t the break it was the way he acted after the break that is getting people upset. If Aoki had broke the guys arm and then not got in the guys face once the fight was stopped this discussion wouldn’t be happening at all. I think you are keying in on the wrong thing here, heck you seem to actually be agreeing that it was deliberate because that is what happens when guys don’t tap so I am not sure why that one statement bugs anyone?
Dear Shinya Aoki,
BJ Penn is waiting for you.
Walking the line between intelligence and ignorance since 1985
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by Damon O. on Dec 31, 2009 12:47 PM EST reply actions 23 recs
3:30 pm sharp
You can’t run from this ass whooping.
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by Damon O. on Dec 31, 2009 12:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Holy fuck dude if this is like a kid waiting for you at a bus stop you had some scarey kids after you
by Riley_96 on Dec 31, 2009 1:00 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Dead man walking
Giving Shogun his props. I had the fight 48-47 Machida but Shogun put up a monumental performance and I am honored to have seen it in person.
This 'playing the heel' thing
is really bothering me. I don’t know how many fans are like me, but I enjoy the sporting aspect of MMA. I really don’t want MMA to become a sport where we have personalities that are fabricated to draw ratings. Talking up a fight is one thing, but this and Lesnar’s antics are extremely distasteful to me. The only thing I can personally do is to never spend money on cards that feature Aoki or Lesnar, and that is what I intend on doing. I was a fan until this, but an apology is really not enough.
Comments like “I like it” are ridiculous.
by Jiiri on Dec 31, 2009 12:47 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
I agree.
If I wanted WWE, I’d go watch WWE.
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart."
Rickson Gracie
Yeah,
Because all he did was get excited.
All I’m saying is ‘I’ won’t pay for another card with Lesnar or Aoki on it because ‘I’ don’t want to support that crap. I understand it draws, and is probably good for business, but if it ever became more of a common theme, I would find another sport to enjoy.
Ever held a cricket ball?
It’s like a round chunk of cement. It’s actually enjoyable when you know the rules. Sometimes XD
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But therein lies the issue..
It DOES help draw ratings. That’s why it’s being encouraged. Brock does this ’cause he already graduated from the WWE School of Promoting yourself.
And let’s face it….Fans like Personalities ‘cause it gets them INTERESTED in a fighter. Case in Point : Frank Mir and his obsessive-compulsive trash-talking behavior. You think people would be as interested in Mir if he didn’t act like an ass?
If everything was Vanilla(so to speak), the UFC would be a very VERY BORING Place.
Some of the hugging is just as fake
Some of these guys actually don’t like each other…maybe it starts as playing the heel, but if you joke around enough people get mad. I’m actually more pleased when the bell doesn’t end the beef and everyone hugs…Sometimes you still hate each other.
Perfect Example : Brock and Mir
Mir Hates Brock
Brock Hates Mir
Brock hates everyone not named Couture, actually….lol.
Mir talked a bunch of shit on Brock...
But, what did Hirota do to deserve being disrespected?
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Rickson Gracie
Knee'd Kitaoka in the head until his neck no longer existed.
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Maybe so.
But I think fighters are beginning to realize it makes sense for them to build themselves up into a character as well as a fighter. Its just a smart business decision. There’s a lot of fighters out there, any of whom can be cut or underpaid or whatever. But if you build yourself into something else, with post-fight antics, colorful interviews, an active twitter, you’ll make more money and make yourself less likely to be cut. I think a big part of Frank Mir running his mouth and going after Lesnar constantly is an attempt to make him more money, as opposed to the partly 45k base salary he gets per fight right now.
It’s just good business. I’ve actually gained a perverse sort of respect for Josh Koscheck for doing this, too.
by TLow on Dec 31, 2009 2:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
seriously
you’ll never be bj no matter how crazy you act
by cagefightonacid on Dec 31, 2009 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
but after all that taunting, he walks back and gives him a pat…… I think this is more of a cultural miscommunication on Aoki’s part…. I don’t know if he realizes what he did….
I was more disgusted with his blatant ripoff of BJ’s running back to the locker room celebration…… don’t copy swagger jackass…..get your own
LOL
I thought the same thing when I saw that. Shinya seems to have a man crush on BJ. ;)
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 31, 2009 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
If it goes one way then it’s stalking? Or power bottom?
Some people think I am a dumb, ugly human being, but really I am a beautiful ape, with exceptional verbal skills.
can’t have a power top and a power bottom at the same time. see lesnar/ mir II
by Austin Martin on Dec 31, 2009 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
I have seen in some Anime Cartoons where the Middle-Finger is given but I think it has a different meaning ‘cause the recipient of that finger isn’t offended. Interesting….
Either Way...
It’s good for the sport.
Just like Brock’s UFC 100 Moment was HUGE for the UFC!
Plus, what is so wrong with him doing that?
Breaking an arm seems like a successful way to ensure victory.
And the smack talk is not a big deal.
Happens all the time.
I don’t think poor sportsmanship is good for any sport.
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart."
Rickson Gracie
Not all publicity is good publicity.
We’re already trying to shed a tainted stigma of MMA being a bunch of classless miscreants. This isn’t helping.
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"Miscreants"?
Would you like some Grey Poupon with that, sir? lol.
But seriously…What stigma are you talking about? MMA is on the rise and nothing is stopping it. All this stigma stuff is null.
Boxing has gone downhill based on the “stigma” of corruption that surrounds nearly aspect of it.
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart."
Rickson Gracie
But that's Boxing...
You mentioned MMA….
What Stigma does it have? Unless you’re thinking about what Bob Arum said about it….
The average person on the street still sees MMA as UFC 1. Not everyone thinks like MMA fans do.
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That’s funny cuz a lot of my coworkers(very casual) say there are too many rules and that it should be no holds barred. ha
Keyword being casual
Take someone that’s never seen MMA before and show them this fight. I guarantee that it’ll leave a bad taste in their mouth.
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a stigma killed the biggest mma promotion in the world (Pride). The sport is very young and it will not take alot to kill the growth. What Aoki did on its own will not hurt the sport but if guys start seeing being a fuck head after a fight as a good way to market themselves it could become a huge problem
MMA’s rise can easily end if fighters start getting their arms broken etc. No reason to give the ‘human cockfighting’ folks any more ammunition.
by Monday Morning Martial Artist on Dec 31, 2009 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
If that had happened in the UFC
and had gotten the publicity that comes along with it, it would have been AWFUL for the sport.
Publicity brings more eyes to MMA, and we have more Professional Ambassadors than ass clowns. Ya digg.
For every GSP, Machida, and Rich Franklin you have one Junie Browning that screws it up for them all. One negative story will get far more attention than 20 positive stories about MMA.
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One bad apple spoils the bunch, son.
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Tysons antics made money but hurt the legitimacy and reputation of his sport.
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Rickson Gracie
^this also
Tyson’s off the ring troubles and then him biting Holyfields ear was the death knell of the Heavyweight Division.
I can't fault Aoki for breaking his arm. This is a fight after all.
But flipping off an injured opponent was completely uncalled for. I used to be on Aoki’s jock, but his antics (pulling the cry baby act during matches and now this) have made me like him less and less. There’s no doubt that he’s one of the Top LW’s in the world, but he’s going to get shitkicked when he comes over here.
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THIS
i agree with everything you said…. i don’t care if he wants to act crazy but it just seemed so contrived. i WISH he would fight bj penn, but when he says he’ll never fight in the ufc, it just seems hopeless.
by cagefightonacid on Dec 31, 2009 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
#1 wish for 2010: to see BJ Penn squash Shinya "Earthworm" Aoki.
I love me some Sexyama!
by pud333 on Dec 31, 2009 1:12 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Ahah at all the haters !
Aoki had it locked for several minutes and Hirota didn’t tap, that HIS fault if his arm got broken ! btw why the middle finger ? because Hirota trashed talk, as simple as that ladies and gentleman.
Well since it is as simple as that
And you have it all figured out, I guess I don’t need to have any opinions. I’ll just read your posts and then all will be clear. I am absolutely stunned that ANYONE is defending this behavior.
He fucked it all up.
Where was a guy with a case of Bud to toss a couple into the ring after he won?
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We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
by Anthony Pace on Dec 31, 2009 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
?
I can see it
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by Anthony Pace on Dec 31, 2009 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
you can also see your best friend jimmy the leprechaun, but eventually we have to let you know what’s going on in the real world.
Goddamit photobucket
Sip on this one, bitches
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by Anthony Pace on Dec 31, 2009 1:39 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Now THAT'S a fineabe offense
Just ask King Mo
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
i think in Japan they’d just clap and hand you a giant check
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by Anthony Pace on Dec 31, 2009 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
if leprechauns are real, you have to lick my balls
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by Anthony Pace on Dec 31, 2009 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
Because it's already cached on your PC.
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this is, by my count, the 4th arm aoki has taken home in mma or bjj…….i’m suprised the discussion hasn’t come up before about him being unsportsmanlike.
The flip-off and trash talk seemed borderline appropriate considering home the prefight antics of hirota, and his donkey-like refusal to tap.
he made aoki break his arm off basically
Please someone explain me the subtility here, why are we blaming aoki for breakig the arm?
Thanks.
ps: SHINYAOKI!!!!!
"You hit too hard, too hard, too hard..."
honestly
i don’t like aoki but i see nothing wrong at all with snapping an arm if the opponent refuses to tap…. and i don’t care if he flips off the entire crowd either. just don’t shit-talk an org that you publicly said you’ll never fight in.
by cagefightonacid on Dec 31, 2009 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
i don’t “hate” any fighter, that’s a bit extreme…. i just think he talks a lot of shit that he never has to back up.
by cagefightonacid on Dec 31, 2009 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
am i wrong for not really caring?
i didn’t care about the Brock thing either. i do more vulgar stuff before i brush my teeth in the morning.
honestly, i was more upset after forrest dipped out the ring after getting annihilated
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duh
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by Anthony Pace on Dec 31, 2009 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
I think you’re on the right page.
Was it an asshole thing to do, yes? Is it the end of the world? no.
by Phildo on Dec 31, 2009 2:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
good way to put it.
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by Anthony Pace on Dec 31, 2009 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
Rec'd
for being just about all that needs to be said.
I think this was a dick move, but very different from Lesnar. Brock tried to play himself up to cameras as a dick. Aoki was overwhelmed with emotion and distaste for his opponent. Not saying either is better or worse, just that there is indeed a distinction. In spite of it though, for some reason I’m still an Aoki fan. Can’t explain it…
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I disagree here.
This was the same exact thing as lesnar.
you can either be ok with both or hate both, trying to separate them is just foolish, they did the exact same thing.
NOT THAT ONE WAS BETTER THAN THE OTHER BUT THAT THEY HAD DIFFERENT ORIGINS. Sorry for the caps didn’t realize i had it on and too lazy to re-type.
I'm not separating judgement of either.
They are both pretty effing bad. But to me, the hubbub about post-100 Lesnar was disrespect of the UFC and the sport directly. This incident is about disrespecting a beaten competitor. What Aoki did here is more like Lesnar’s taunting of Herring when the final bell rang than the point/rant after he clobbered Mir.
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-Randall Munroe
Wait a minute....
Brock Lesnar flipped off some fans
No one ended up in surgery the next day.
How is this the same thing????
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
you are the only one upset about the arm break, when everyone else it talking about what aoki did it’s the taunting after the fight. Plenty of people end up in surgery after every fight, if you can’t handle that, don’t’ fight.
I just fail to see
how the two actions can be equated.
That said, I’m obviously not changing anyone’s mind on the subject.
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
because they are both taunting a beaten opponent after the fight is over. That’s what everyone else has their panties in a bunch about.
They are the exact same thing, why the method of victory matters is beyond me.
And that's where we disagree - method of victory
And with no basis of agreement on that issue, I accept that my thinking will not be supported by the majority here. Thus ends my complaining about the arm-break.
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
i cant imagine why an arm getting broken in a fight is causing you so much grief? that’s why there’s tapping allowed. the smart fighter taps and preserves himself for another day. the prideful fighter refuses to tap and screws himself out of the possibility of another paycheck for the near future. perhaps you need to rethink the purpose of submissions. a lot of them are meant to do real harm to another person if applied properly and taken deep enough, and tapping is the way to avoid that harm. it seems like such a simple concept for me, but i guess it’s not so for others
he prolly just flopped on his couch with a bottle of whiskey and some lortabs
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by Anthony Pace on Dec 31, 2009 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
He's clearly chastising him for stealing his Strawberries.
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haha have you guys ever heard of the “strawberry shortcake?” Brock had the second part down
by Austin Martin on Dec 31, 2009 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
dude its tap or snap. Aoki had that sub locked in and the dude would not tap. What was he spose to do? let it go a try for a different one? Afight should know when they are caught much like razak al Hasuan (sp?) was caught did not tap and got fucked up for his troubles. Be a warrior but know that not tapping can end in a long lay off
My guess
It involves a cantaloupe, a laxative, and something that he had to specially order from Japan.
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2 out of 3
a cantaloupe, a laxative, and something i found in Singapore
you do the math
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by Anthony Pace on Dec 31, 2009 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
Just Awesome
He broke his arm wit a Chicken wing,Flipped him da Bird, Proceed to Fly around the ring..Pretty pretty good
by itsallover on Dec 31, 2009 1:58 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
You know something is wrong when FightLinker finds it disrespectful.
I’d always heard that Shinya Aoki was an asshole but up until now I’d never seen any definitive evidence. This morning however I witnessed dickery on a scale I’d never witnessed before, above and beyond even Brock Lesnar levels. Apparently Aoki’s opponent Mizuto Hirota had talked shit about Aoki in the past, so this morning in retaliation Aoki broke his arm and then gave him the finger as he lay on the canvas with his mangled limb twisted backwards.
Now to be fair, it’s not like Hirota tapped and Aoki took his arm home anyways. Hirota was in trouble seconds into the bout as Aoki took him down and trapped one of his arms behind his back. Rolling him over, Aoki then slowly twisted the limb until it visibly snapped / crackled / popped out of position. It’s hard to say exactly how much damage was done but everyone has assumed it’s at least broken and I’d say that sounds about right.
But I’ll give Aoki the benefit of the doubt and imagine if Hirota had been smart enough to tap that nasty bit of business wouldn’t have happened. But what followed was pretty classless and the part that’s really inexcusable: Aoki stood over Hirota, shouted something in his face and flipped him off.
Now in a normal situation the bird is about as edgy as, oh I dunno, telling someone to suck it. But in the context of what had just happened it was pretty damn upsetting. You know all those layers of sportsmanship, respect, and integrity we clothe the sport of MMA in so we can enjoy people beating the shit out of eachother without feeling like savages? Those were pretty much stripped away and pissed on.
HT: Here
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by Damon O. on Dec 31, 2009 2:05 PM EST reply actions 10 recs
People were still caught in the horror of the arm breaking when he proceeded BROCKLESNARing Hirota, that may be why it seems more douchey but it’s more or less the same thing with an arm break instead of the messed up face.
"You hit too hard, too hard, too hard..."
There is a vast difference between that arm break and Mir’s bloody nose. Aoki put Hirota on the shelf and had to know it and then he got in his face.
I fail to see the big difference, it felt kinda dejà vu to me.
"You hit too hard, too hard, too hard..."
Well except for the fact that one guy went to the back and got a towel and the other guy gets months of medical treatment out of it. There is a difference between "ha ha I just won the fight" and "ha ha I just put your ass in the hospital" and that difference shouldn’t be glossed over. Gloating over beating Mir and gloating over breaking Hirota’s arm really are on different levels. Aoki knew he broke the arm and he was gloating over it, that takes it beyond just being a dick over a win.
by who me on Dec 31, 2009 3:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Enough of the Sportmanship/Classiness Debate
The real issue here is Aoki’s lack of originality. The submission stolen from the LAPD playbook on how to subdue minorities, the post fight bird flip looked very Brock-esque, and the running out of the arena was blatant Bj Penn. Yawn Aoki that was plagiarism at its purest. And partial trolling on my part.
by BruceLeeroy on Dec 31, 2009 2:12 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
I say it on a regular basis.
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What if someone started calling you 'girl'?
heheh….
What’s up, ‘girl’?
YOu go, ‘girl’?
okay…it doesn’t have the same sarcastic tone to it that ‘son’ does….
Exactly lol.
It’s like Nick Diaz saying Homie. Picked it up at one of my old jobs and it’s stuck with me.
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never been offended by being called 'son'
it’s always like, what’s up, son?
but if a diaz says it, they’re trying to challenge you, obvi
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by Anthony Pace on Dec 31, 2009 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
All you Shane Carwin's need to get off your high horse
Was it bad when Lesnar got in Mir’s face, yes. Was it bad when Silva pointed menacingly at Jardine, yes (even though people tend to give that one a pass because it looks scary.) Is it the end of the world. No, not at all. At the end of the day Aoki had a very impressive performance and I really want to see him go against Penn.
by Neil Manich on Dec 31, 2009 2:29 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
i mean
I’m a huge Rampage fan but I can’t defend the shots on Wanderlei after the ref stepped in. i don’t really think the post-fight stuff is bad, you’re amped after a fuckin FIGHT, so w/e, but when it’s something really important like dropping a-bombs on an unconcious dude after a guy tries to throw you off him is something to complain about. this Aoki stuff doesn’t stick in my craw
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by Anthony Pace on Dec 31, 2009 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, i’m biased cuz i wanted Hendo to whip that ass so bad, so to me I didn’t think it was as bad, though not entirely warranted (at all, really). thing is with ‘Page, Herb Dean had him in like a body-lock trying to pull him off and he was still going ape-shit. maybe I also think that’s worse since I worship both Jackson and Silva
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by Anthony Pace on Dec 31, 2009 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
Well that’s entirely it. As fans its nearly impossible for us to look at this objectively. I was too shocked after the Wandy Jackson fight to really feel anything. And to depressed to even rewatch it so I didn’t really even notice. The only taunting that really bothered me was the Lesnar one, but already hated Lesnar so my objectivity is questionable to say the least.
OK putting my two cents in…. with commas and everything! Most of the people crying about late hits have no reason to complain. Soko is the exception: the guy shouldn’t be allowed to fight for what he’s done. Until the ref physically grabs you its a fight. There’s no timeouts unless the ref stops the action. So why would you stop fighting? Because you don’t want to hurt him? That shit should not be in your brain when you are fighting.
Forget about winning and losing; forget about pride and pain. Let your opponent graze your skin and you smash into his flesh; let him smash into your flesh and you fracture his bones; let him fracture your bones and you take his life. Do not be concerned with escaping safely - lay your life before him.
by bigbadbunbun on Dec 31, 2009 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
That’s true. You have to make sure you win. But when the ref is holding you back as RDS has said was the case with Rampage or you openly come out and say you gave him that extra hit to shut his big mouth as is the case with Hendo its poor sportsmanship. There’s something to say about Mousasi who stopped before the ref stepped in, although I don’t think he did that for Babalu’s benefit. I just don’t think he cared to keep hitting him.
I thought it was Yves… I think Herb had a chance at actually moving Page off, but poor little Yves just never stood a chance.
could’ve been Yves, haven’t seen the fight in a while. Herb was def involved in something like this
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by Anthony Pace on Dec 31, 2009 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
I was thinking about the Thiago Silva thing
and I think he gets a pass for being legitimately terrifying. He grew up in the favellas and learned to fight like a brutal murder machine both for enjoyment and necessity. He stole to stay alive, scrapped his way to the top, but always has that upbringing. You can call Lesnar a douchey hick pro-wrassler or Aoki is an overprivileged Japanese boy who’s too big for his colorful britches, but there’s none of that for Thiago. He’s not playing a character, he’s not acting, he really is that effing hard.
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-Randall Munroe
So you think its a socio-economic thing. As a pussy ass liberal this intrigues me.
by Neil Manich on Dec 31, 2009 2:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
In terms of fan perceptions
not the motivations behind the actions.
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-Randall Munroe
Well, he’s definitely overrated, but he did just knock somebody he was matched with out so… Its not like that taunt is aimed at the rest of the division.
Yeah true enough. Silva’s good, and (for now) deserves his top 10 ranking, but I think he’ll get blown out of there pretty quickly. I’m hoping Rashad does it…
Man just pisses me off, is all.
is it the jaw thing? I lol’d when rashad mentioned it on the countdown. me, i just thing his tats suck
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by Anthony Pace on Dec 31, 2009 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t know about what Rashad says. the way he sticks his head WAY out there when he fights make he want to see him hit. He did the same strategy against Machida, and got absolutely clowned….
if he loses to Rashad, and Wandy takes Bisping, I’d love to see a Silva-Silva fight. don’t know if they’d agree to it, but that would be fucking awesome.
Him being hugged by Yves lavigne after the Machida KO was pretty classic though. I wish that was gif’ed
Ohhh snap that's classless from Aoki.
Granted, Hirota could’ve tapped but that doesn’t excuse Aoki for being disrespectful and flipping him off. To me this is worse than Lesnar against Mir.
I need a break from watching this because it’s mesmerizing.
FIRE JIM MORA NOW!
I just said "snap" and "break" in the same comment.
I’m a bad man. Wonder if I’ll die at midnight.
FIRE JIM MORA NOW!
give Mora a chance
he wasn’t bad with the Falcons, got us to the NFC championship with a mediocre quarterback and underwhelming team-talent
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by Anthony Pace on Dec 31, 2009 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
He's an imbecile. I can only take so much of throwing players under the bus (he threw our KICKER under the bus)
And watching us fall behind 14-0 within a few seconds of the game before I realize he sucks.
As a head coach he sucks. Every week we don’t come prepared and proceed to get blown out.
This is a painful season. You should see Hasselbeck out there. Declining worse than Shaun Alexander.
FIRE JIM MORA NOW!
by SSreporters on Dec 31, 2009 2:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Declining worse than Shaun Alexander
utterly impossible
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by Anthony Pace on Dec 31, 2009 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
also, i don't think it's Mora
it’s Knapp. Mora needs to stop dragging that also-ran with him wherever he goes
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by Anthony Pace on Dec 31, 2009 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
It's not Knapp's fault Hasselbeck is incapable of throwing a 10 yard pass
Instead he chooses to ignore throwing the ball away for crippling turnovers.
AJ Hawk likes Hasselbeck.
FIRE JIM MORA NOW!
LOL, look at the linemen doing nothing. two of them are literally JUST STANDING THERE
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by Anthony Pace on Dec 31, 2009 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
Designed play-action fake. Green Bay sniffed it out after we ran 6-7 times in a row with good success.
All Hasselbeck needed to do was throw it away and maybe they go for it on 4th down or our punter pins Green Bay deep.
Instead he threw it right to AJ Hawk.
Knapp can’t do anything when the QB has thrown 8 INTs the last 2 games and has been just awful.
FIRE JIM MORA NOW!
well, maybe you guys should try to get Sam Bradford next year. with a busted shoulder I’d prefer him over Hasselbeck, who imo has always been overrated and just worked in Holmgren’s system
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by Anthony Pace on Dec 31, 2009 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
Colt McCoy seems more like a guy who can fit Knapp's system
But then again I expect us to clean house so that means Knapp is likely gone.
Local media has been begging for Holmgren to come back and be GM. Sounds good….except he sucked as GM and was already fired once because of that.
Holmgren’s problem is loyalty. He kept Shaun Alexander in the starting lineup even though he sucked and I know if he did accept a Seahawks job position and not go to Cleveland he would keep Hasselbeck.
I can’t stand Hasselbeck anymore because he’s more or less been responsible for losing us several games. Against Arizona he was intercepted on a shovel pass. That’s how bad he is.
FIRE JIM MORA NOW!
He's flashed some signs of life this year
…and remember he’s also been hurt. He’s the best QB on the team and the best available that’s not in the draft.
I think you summed up why Mora needs another year, the team is not performing at all. He throws players under the bus when they’re not up to snuff. I like that. The coach who falls on his swoard when it’s not his fault generally loses control. He needs to hold players accountable for playing like ass.
Also, Holmgren as GM got Seattle to the Super Bowl. Ruskell might have been GM in name, but the core of that team was Holmgrens guys. People like to toss out how he drafted King and Brock Huard, but the guy made free agent moves that got us to the super bowl…and he didn’t lose Hutch.
I like Ryan Mallet with our 2nd first round pick
it should be late enough to get good value on Mallet. He’ll be a project but he’s got the tools to be great.
Against Tampa Bay Hasselbeck was trying to run for the first down
He then spun, ran backwards, and tried to flip it to an offensive lineman to keep the play alive. We turned it over and Hasselbeck tossed 4 more picks.
FIRE JIM MORA NOW!
Some of the wit and wisdom of Jim Mora...
“We couldn’t do diddly-pooh offensively. We couldn’t make a first down. We didn’t run the ball. We didn’t try to run the ball. We couldn’t complete a pass. We sucked. We sucked. It was a horseass performance in the second half. Horseass!”
That’s who I want coaching my team!
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Whoops, that'd dad, not junior.
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Junior thinks the Seahawks are trying their hardest and putting in great effort
Despite getting blown out every week.
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Brent where exatcly did I use over the top name calling?
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probly got him when you were like “brent, thanks for chiming in” and what not
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by Anthony Pace on Dec 31, 2009 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
Well what when you tell someone that their wrong shouldn’t you elaborate? Not you are wrong.
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by bigbadbunbun on Dec 31, 2009 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
Sounded like he came in on his 20 foot horse said it and then flew off to go tell other people they are wrong
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by bigbadbunbun on Dec 31, 2009 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
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by Anthony Pace on Dec 31, 2009 2:47 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
downey, thank you for making working on new years much more bearable
by Austin Martin on Dec 31, 2009 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
Word, son
You’ve made this thoroughly enjoyable.
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i’ve had robocop on unicorn stashed away for months, waiting for the perfect opportunity
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by Anthony Pace on Dec 31, 2009 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
That graphic
is SCREAMING to be Blingee’d
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I've still got some treasures that I've stashed from around the Interwebz.
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it’s situational, really. threads are like goldmines. my roommate is a big-time gamer and goes on “neogaf” and i pull some great shit from there
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by Anthony Pace on Dec 31, 2009 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
Nothing like Interwebz treasure hunting.
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by Damon O. on Dec 31, 2009 3:01 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
As real as that looks, I can’t see a cat charging into a swirling mass of limbs like that.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Dec 31, 2009 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
After owning 2 cats
I’m convinced that they would.
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HAHAHAHAHAHA
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by poundnground on Dec 31, 2009 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
commas are you're friend
not tryin to be a dick, it’s just a little easier to pick up your inflection with commas, even tho it’s internet lingo
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by Anthony Pace on Dec 31, 2009 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
My bad…. I can understand trying to read my dribble and make sense of it. Just don’t call me son MOFCKR
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by bigbadbunbun on Dec 31, 2009 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
It's a regional lingo thing.
I really meant nothing by it dude.
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I didn't say YOU did...
I simply said that would be what fighter bashing is here.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 31, 2009 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
nice balance of substantial debate and way, way out-there shit
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by Anthony Pace on Dec 31, 2009 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
To be honest, I’m glad the people mad about brock are mad about this too. I think they’re crazy, but at least they’re not just mindless brock haters,.
at least they’re not just mindless brock haters
and this is bad… how?
j/k
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by Anthony Pace on Dec 31, 2009 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
If you want to see Aoki punished for that shit,
Put him in a cage with BJ.
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This would please me greatly.
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that’s what she said?
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by Anthony Pace on Dec 31, 2009 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
*goes to the Japanese Judges on this one*
10-10, 10-9, and 10-8
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Seriously: how do we make this happen?
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ha, same idea
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by Anthony Pace on Dec 31, 2009 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
ha, touche. It was that, or having bow wow befriend aoki, and leading him into the underground japanese drifting circuit, and then having the dark knight get his sky hook… and i’ve gone crosseyed
by Austin Martin on Dec 31, 2009 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
I'll chip in for $50.
But somebody better post a stream of 108 in exchange. :-P
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kidnapping, Rush Hour style?
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by Anthony Pace on Dec 31, 2009 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
Wait for B.J’s next title fight, then two weeks before, injure his opponent. Aoki is always willing to fight on short notice, it seems.
Somebody needs to inspect Aoki's contract.
Any ninjas in this comment thread wanna take a crack at that? :-)
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i hate when threads get this long, and i constantly have to scroll up and down if someone who i want to see their post name shows up
The "Z" button is your friend...
Jump right to new posts.
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No doubt. Yo duck what else you know?
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by bigbadbunbun on Dec 31, 2009 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
Because I know no one ever reads this at the top of every comments page...
Press C to tab to new comments, Shift-C to tab backwards, X to mark as read, and Shift-A to mark all read.
The best: Z will simultaneously mark and tab forward, and R will reply to the comment that has focus.
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duck, i take back everything i never implied about you being a nazi. Thank you so much. Its like christmas all over.
by Austin Martin on Dec 31, 2009 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
You can also do a barrel roll with the Z button.
by Polyh3dron on Dec 31, 2009 4:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I know I'm supposed to be mad at aoki for what he did..
and that was reallyyyyy wrong and unprofessional… but i’m not as outraged about it as most people are…
well I also wasn’t outraged about King Mo, and Brock Lesnar’s post fight antics, so maybe I just don’t take those things too seriously..
And to those saying that Aoki was an ass for purposely breaking his arm, well uhh, blame Hirota for that.
Don't act like
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
oh shit you're right!
hahahhaha. I remember seeing that when I was reallyyy young.
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 31, 2009 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
Lark Voorhies was pulling off apathy pretty well in that pic
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remember when Jessie got hooked on fuckin caffeine pills?
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by Anthony Pace on Dec 31, 2009 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
similar to carlton in FPOBA. only he took speed.
by Austin Martin on Dec 31, 2009 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
My favorite was when Carlton was going to go shoot the guy who shot Will
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 31, 2009 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
nah, best one was when Will’s father left him again. now that was some serious shit
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by Anthony Pace on Dec 31, 2009 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
fucked up, man. that was almost as messed up as when shawn’s dad died in boy meets world.
by Austin Martin on Dec 31, 2009 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
Remember when Shawn got laid?
and then Cory thought “Oh hey, now’s when I should try to bust a move on Tapenga.” Smart kid.
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and then uncle Phil hugs him. that shit got me, no lie
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by Anthony Pace on Dec 31, 2009 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
You people are really making me sick with this.
Seriously – people watched that show?
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Fresh Prince was the bomb
made me a WS fan for life (except Seven Pounds)
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by Anthony Pace on Dec 31, 2009 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
Am I the only old person around here?
That was a show my kid brother’s friends watched.
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Not by any stretch
I was already married by the time these shows cam on.
Now, you wanna talk some Dukes of Hazzard, I’m your man.
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Fwew.
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taped in a town (Covington, GA) about 15 minutes from me. love that show, cooter was elected to congress
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by Anthony Pace on Dec 31, 2009 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, yes he was
One of the ones targeted by Gingrinch to get redistricted out of re-election in 2000.
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
Like I needed another reason to hate that man...
Did I ever tell anyone the story of how he screwed up a potential online relationship? Never mind.
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This I gotta hear...
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Shit, it's too long to post here.
And I just realized I already wrote it up:
http://tanglebones.com/articles/2008/09/22/adventures-in-dating-pt-1/
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cooter screwed up your potential online relationship?
btw, this thread has gone off the rails
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by Anthony Pace on Dec 31, 2009 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
No! Newt!
And don’t all the good ones go off the rails?
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"She turned me into a Newt!"
A newt?
I got better…
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Quincy, M.E.? M*A*S*H? Dallas?
I gots yer late ’70s and early ’80s TV on lock.
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We need an excuse for a "Greatest American Hero" thread.
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by jemaleddin on Dec 31, 2009 3:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
of course. will smith, before jada, was probably one of my fav entertainers ever.
by Austin Martin on Dec 31, 2009 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
Was she the one who got him into scientology?
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she stole his balls, if thats what you mean
by Austin Martin on Dec 31, 2009 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
Same thing, I think.
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she needed some?
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by Anthony Pace on Dec 31, 2009 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
having money and being in hollywood got him into scientology
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by Anthony Pace on Dec 31, 2009 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
Thank goodness I'm broke!
Oh. Wait…
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How come nobody wants to talk about
How badass a submission that was. I don’t think I’ve ever seen that before. I know he doesn’t really stand a chance against Penn, but that’s really the only fight that makes sense for either of them.
the fight against Melendez could be a good one.
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 31, 2009 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
ummmm yeah. That makes sense. But Aoki has been incredibly dominate against his current crop of fighters. If he handles Melendez easily there is really nobody left.
Current crop of Japanese fighters that don't cut weight.
He’ll be out striked and out muscled.
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i think it also matters if he gets to wear the spandex or not.
by Austin Martin on Dec 31, 2009 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
i think the effect of ring-wear is underrated (not talking about gi’s). notice vale-tudo shorts Shogun vs. sprawl shorts Shogun
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by Anthony Pace on Dec 31, 2009 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
i’m actually not too familiar with them. How do they get affected by moisture?
by Austin Martin on Dec 31, 2009 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
i’d like to know as well
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by Anthony Pace on Dec 31, 2009 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
Depends on the manufacturer.
Low end shorts feel real nasty, and pro series stuff tends to be really differentiated both in quality and brand. Pretty sure there’s a reason Shogun went with Bad Boy for his VT shorts.
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i’d imagine it really affects an active, aggressive fighter like shogun as well, not having the fabric constantly moving around you
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by Anthony Pace on Dec 31, 2009 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
I think Melendez has a chance.
but If Aoki wipes the floor with him, people would be clamoring for him to step in the octagon… but it won’t happen right away, so he will probably just get Kawajiri next.
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 31, 2009 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
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by poundnground on Dec 31, 2009 3:07 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
Comments hilarity...
Man, people in this thread are really looking to be heard. That duck guy is responding to every commend on how he’s offended that Aoki deliberately broke the arm, and then that Riley_96 guy and others are in every thread going “IT WASN’T THE ARM BREAK IT WAS THE SPORTSMANSHIP”. Can you guys just put it all in one thread and loop back and forth? It’s hard to read with a new post from duck every 2 seconds
To weigh in on the fight, the break was because the guy didn’t tap. Pure and simple. You know when you’re caught, it wasn’t like it was an armbar out of nowhere. Aoki kind of acted like an ass, but hey, it happens.
I’m actually really curious if there was a background here that prompted it. Did they have some pre-fight beef or something? Or is Aoki just that much of an ass?
I can only imagine how the other sites' comment sections look like..
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 31, 2009 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
Do NOT go to Yahoo! looking for enlightenment
in the comment threads. They are brutal.
Teh stupid, it burns….
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It just occurred to me
Breaking an opponent’s arm…
Talking unnecessary post-fight shit…
…AOKI IS MIR AND LESNAR’S LOVE CHILD!
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by jemaleddin on Dec 31, 2009 3:18 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Aoki is just making sure we see his full range of emotions.
He cries in fights, fakes injuries, subs fools. snaps arms and flips off victims. hes the most versatile dude in mma. a KO would be nice sometime though.
by SilverNBlackZach! on Dec 31, 2009 3:23 PM EST reply actions
You forgot about underpants wrestling :D
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2009/8/16/991181/shinya-aoki-tussled-with-former
Thinking about it
If anyone reads this with some knowledge on the benefits of different shorts by brand, style, fabric or whatever, I’d rec your fanpost to death
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Million things to say
by brand, style, and features of each. What are you thinking specifically?
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i’m totally reading too much into it, but i just notice a random difference between great fighters—bj penn recently, wandy, shogun, even hughes and gsp—doing so much better in tight shorts. i just want to know what’s up?
is spandex better in general, or for just certain styles of fighters? I mean, BJ and hughes don’t throw kicks and shit
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by Anthony Pace on Dec 31, 2009 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
It really depends.
Some shorts will have four way-stretch panels in the side so the short is less restrictive while the rest of the short will be two way and breathe easier. Some shorts, including board shorts, are all four way stretch ballistic nylon. Most of the Vale Tudo or Americana style shorts are four way stretch. Nylon doesn’t provide enough flex for them, so polyester is often used. The reliable, authentic Brazilian VT shorts are usually polymide.
It’s not just about throwing kicks that you need flex for though. Being able to take advantage of your flexibility in grappling is frequently more important. When you see high level competitors wearing MMA shorts at ADCC or other no-gi competition, it’s a pretty ringing endorsement.
I personally like board shorts with stretch panels on the side, because it’s what I’m used to. Mentally, I feel like my movement is more free and I’m more comfortable.
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just read about it
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/31/2010-twenty-ten-not-two-t_n_408202.html
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by Anthony Pace on Dec 31, 2009 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
LMAO, well played.. legitimate literature on the subject. my friend actually is pulling for 0-10. I told him he’s a commie pinko bastard.
by Austin Martin on Dec 31, 2009 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
Cantwell 2.0
Except this time everyone has a problem with it for some reason. Same thing I said last time— the break is part of the sport; totally acceptable. The shit afterwards? Clown shoes man..
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
by Blackout612 on Dec 31, 2009 4:22 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I don’t have anything to add about the arm-break/middle finger controversy, but I would like to point out how funny it is that every time Aoki wins, or hell, every time he’s mentioned, so many people rush to point out how “he’d never win in the UFC!” regardless of whether it has anything to do with anything.
Every time he fights, people either predict he loses, hope he loses, or both, and when he wins, it’s like they have to resort to “the UFC lightweights would kill him! BJ Penn! BJ Penn!” to compensate.
Theory: the MMA success of a cocky, crazy-pants-wearing Japanese beanpole who doesn’t punch makes a lot of people very uncomfortable.
by JRN on Dec 31, 2009 4:34 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
waaaah people who are paid to fight other people professionally sometimes don’t act how I want them to act
by George Lucas on Dec 31, 2009 4:55 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
You made my day.
Thanks. HAPPY NEW YEAR
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by poundnground on Dec 31, 2009 6:04 PM EST up reply actions
It’s an internet MMA site, what else are we supposed to discuss? I really doubt that anyone in this discussion thinks their opinion is going to change anything it’s just discussion for discussions sake.
Gee I dunno, maybe we could talk about fights instead of personalities?
by George Lucas on Dec 31, 2009 7:33 PM EST up reply actions
That incident is scarily familiar to me. If Hirota’s break is anything like mine was, he should grab a few boxed sets of TV series he never got around to seeing.
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Happy New Year
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