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The Phantom Menace: The Alleged 'Anti-UFC' Bias of Sherdog.com

After watching Dana White's diatribe against Sherdog.com's Jake Rossen yesterday, I felt it necessary to not only pushback against some of White's claims but also pull back the curtain that covers the operations of the MMA media.

What is the role of the media? If we are to use the above video of White as an indication of his views on the matter, the media exists to serve as a proxy public relations arm for his fight company.  While the print journalists among us are likely horrified by that notion, it isn't nearly as controversial as it seems.

The television and radio worlds covering MMA and most other sports operate on a "you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours" basis. Remember the admission by the UFC it had engaged in heavy plugola with Scott Ferrall? The UFC and the other fight companies are all too happy to offer tickets, exclusive guests, ticket giveaways and other incentives for promotional coverage of their events that generally strikes a positive tone.

The print and online media, however, generally do not surrender journalistic integrity for access. Whereas radio and television are more admixtures of media and entertainment, written word media still function as the fourth estate. While all news is admittedly for-profit, the print and online journalists' job is to evaluate which stories are worthy of dissemination (loosely defined as "newsworthy") and to tell them without prejudice. How well they perform that function is obviously a matter of debate, but the key distinction is that their services cannot to be bought, sold or bartered.

Either White does not appreciate this distinction or he does not care. I tend to think it's the latter as he is certainly media savvy enough to accurately gauge the difference. What I am more concerned with is this: how much third party validation does he and the UFC brass need before they stop being sensitive to utterly innocuous criticism? For every Jake Rossen writing a moderately critical piece, there are dozens of writers and bloggers authoring gushing pieces that heap effusive praise on the UFC. That hasn't historically been the norm, but it's the new reality and it's one I trust the UFC appreciates.

The truly problematic aspect of White's rant is the underlying assumption about the role of the MMA media, namely, as facilitators of MMA's success. There is an implied assumption in sports writing - and its manifestation in MMA is particularly bad - that the journalists' work serves to pay homage to the sport.  There are a couple of reasons for this. The early adopters who are still around were all fans looking to create the apparati of media where none existed. I consider myself and Nate part of that group.

The other regrettable truth is that there is very little money in MMA reporting or blogging. If this were a celebrity or travel blog, our traffic would garner us far heftier sums than we presently pull in. As such, there is an incentive for those covering the sport to not only document MMA's wild growth, but to cheerlead it as well. In short, the growth of the sport presents an opportunity for financial stability. Much like the vast majority of today's fighters, most of those covering MMA make very little money. A few at the top do ok, but that's about it.

In fact, some of the most lucrative gigs for writers or reporters come from sources that entirely compromise their objectivity: many come from TV stations with exclusive deals with MMA organizations or media created by MMA organizations themselves, e.g. UFC Magazine. And truthfully speaking, my commentary gig with the UWC isn't exactly free from criticism either. Is it any wonder that those in positions of power in MMA view the media less as objective storytellers and more as free labor? I can honestly say I don't blame them.

Rather than accepting a reality where those who cover the sport also love it, I pine for the day when dispassionate editors assign dispassionate journalists an MMA beat to cover. I'm partly romanticizing how media operates, but not entirely. In media outside of sports, those who cover technology, higher education or local crime often do so solely because their editor assigned them to that job. The paper or website needs that coverage and the available writer/reporter fills in for that need. Whether they like covering Google vs. Bing, Stafford loans or recent muggings is immaterial: it's a job and someone's got to do it.

It's also worth observing that while Rossen is a journalist, he is not a reporter. Part of the duty of established media is to also offer interesting and openly subjective commentary outside the confines of strict reporting.  Aside from the fact that Rossen has every right to voice his opinion about all topics MMA in that capacity, the reality is segregated opinion content is actually value-add for readers. Strict reporting is an excellent nucleus of operations, but is rarely the sum total of coverage for more established media in any forum.

As for the merits of Rossen's argument, I, too, find it highly dubious that MMA under the UFC's leadership will be the world's largest or most popular sport by 2020. Let be me clear: I'll never count White or Zuffa out. While I have my doubts about White's contention, I'd love to see what they can produce. If the past decade is any indication, it is highly foolish to underestimate White & Co.

To White's credit, I'd say Rossen inelegantly worded his assessment of the UAE's finances, as only Dubai - one of the seven states of the UAE - is in deep financial peril.

But let's also be serious: does White or UFC brass not expect there to be debate or pushback for such a bold proclamation? In the op-ed White insists a controversial sport that he himself admits "is barely scratching the surface" of mainstream popularity is going to warp speed itself into first place prominence across the world in a short ten years. This is intentionally designed to be a provocative claim to attract attention and buzz and yet he also expects everyone to accept this idea credulously? Come on.

Having extensively interviewed and questioned the folks at Sherdog.com who coordinate that site's coverage as well as closely observing their operations for myself for more than five years, the argument that there is inherent bias within Sherdog.com management or staff against the UFC is exceptionally poor. The notion that they are "anti-UFC" is little more than fan proclivities masquerading as journalistic critique.

And what does "anti-UFC" even mean? Unlike political magazines like The Nation or The Weekly Standard who openly promote a particular, identifiable worldview, Sherdog.com exists solely to cover MMA as best it can. If they are surreptitiously disguising their aims as some claim they do, they are doing an awfully good job of it. That doesn't mean they aren't periodically without fault, but that is hardly the same as systemic failure. The only people who make the argument about Sherdog.com's phantom bias either have a vested interest in strict UFC exclusivity or do not understand how MMA media should operate.

I admit I, and virtually everyone on staff here at BloodyElbow.com, is a fan of MMA. Our coverage of MMA is now and will always be biased. I should note that individuals like us, in the absence of traditional media coverage, serve a valuable function. Even as MMA's profile grows and larger media outlets gravitate to the sport, opinion-led aggregation will have a place in the changing media landscape.

But it is inappropriate and downright dangerous to expect media to cheerlead the sport. As it succeeds or fails, the job of the reporters is to document it as such. And the role of the opinion writer is to offer their view in a manner as interesting and insightful as possible, even if it comes across as wrongheaded or prickly. The only master either must serve is that of the truth, wherever it can be found and however it looks.

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I think we are kind of beating this whole Dana White thing to death. We should all just be grateful that he diddn’t call him a “faggot” or a “pussy”. This is Dana, this will always be Dana.

by Chuntsman949 on Dec 30, 2009 5:08 PM EST reply actions  

Don’t forget “retard”.

by finkrod on Dec 30, 2009 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

“This is the way things have always been so why try to change them now?”, really progressive thinking there.

by ufc4 on Dec 30, 2009 5:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

And your take on the situation is…?

Dana isn’t gonna change, and he and the UFC aren’t gonna be pressured into making him go away. So, as far as I see it, Dana will be Dana as long as he wants to and there is no getting around it.

by Excelsior! on Dec 30, 2009 6:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Does that make it right? Just because everyone knows he isn’t gonna change doesn’t make the fact that he does these things OK. I mean, everyone knew Jeffrey Dahmer was just gonna keep killing people “as long as he wants to and there is no getting around it” so let’s just let him keep doing it, right?

by ufc4 on Dec 30, 2009 7:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Dahmer was pretty set in his ways by then.

by nottheface on Dec 30, 2009 7:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Umm..

What a terrible parallel to make.

Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"

by Blackout612 on Dec 30, 2009 7:24 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Why? It’s the same point, everybody acts like just because Dana is never gonna change that it’s not worth being discussed, that’s just stupid.

by ufc4 on Dec 30, 2009 7:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I would have gone with Charlie Sheen.

by nottheface on Dec 30, 2009 7:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Anywhere he asked?

Yeah, you and the rest of LA.

Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"

by Blackout612 on Dec 30, 2009 7:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, F-me

I can’t believe I set that up and then walked right into it

by nottheface on Dec 30, 2009 7:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t see how he implied we can’t discuss it, he’s suggesting that Dana is set in his ways. Good thing he isn’t guilty of numerous murders and attempted zombification, though, huh? Could look bad for the sport..

Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"

by Blackout612 on Dec 30, 2009 7:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Ten years ago could we ever have guessed that MMA would be at the point that it is now?

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by dedstrk316 on Dec 30, 2009 5:15 PM EST reply actions  

Dana is a PROMOTER for crying out loud

Didn’t we all learn from Don King and a dozen other promoters ages ago that personalities sell combat sports?

I think Dana is a lot smarter than most people give him credit for (the same way King was in his heyday). He rants and raves: people listen. Jake Rossen is a part of that cycle. It takes two sides to have a debate, and it takes two sides to sell fights, fighters and promotions…any promotion: UFC, Strikeforce, anybody.

I think this is another calculated outburst by Dana, and I applaud him for it. He knows that in 20 years he’ll be the face of the UFC brand, not GSP, not Brock, not any of the huge stars of today. We’ll continue to see these Dana antics for a long time, and I’m totally cool with that.

At least the guy isn’t boring.

by PackMMA on Dec 30, 2009 5:17 PM EST reply actions  

plus...

If it weren’t for Zuffa and Dana, Jake wouldn’t even be writing about MMA. I say that’s a fact.

by PackMMA on Dec 30, 2009 5:18 PM EST up reply actions  

indeed… and Don King is a convicted killer!

One of the downsides to MMA being an emerging sport is so many people are coming into it from a background of just NBA or NFL type sports. People who have followed boxing for any period of time are pretty numb to just about anything a fight promoter can do… talking down potential fighters in order to lower asking prices… implying guys use steroids just to damage another promoter’s product… killing people in the street… it’s all pretty much a dull hum after a while.

by Stanlee on Dec 30, 2009 5:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually

While I was watching the Vlog itself yesterday, I had that potential marketing strategy running through my head.. that the UFC has Dana “bro it up” and stir up controversy because there is such a huge market share to be had with casuals who just don’t know what they’re watching and want to wear youth sized Affliction shirts and wrestle in the yard drunk after a UFC. That’s a shit-ton more people than the paltry few of us that exchange banter over these sorts of episodes. Quite frankly, we’re the least important consumers to the biggest MMA organizations, because they’ve already penetrated us (no pun intended). We order near everything as it is and are less interested (as a demographic) in spending our hard earned money on the frivolous products that are sewn into our favorite fighters asses.

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by Blackout612 on Dec 30, 2009 6:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I can’t mock Chi-Town, they beat the Vikes.

by nottheface on Dec 30, 2009 7:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Did this go in the wrong spot?

Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"

by Blackout612 on Dec 30, 2009 7:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Do you really think people believe Dana White is dumb?

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by Mike Fagan on Dec 30, 2009 6:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I tend to think some people out there have got it glued in their minds that he really is.

by bigislandboi808 on Dec 30, 2009 9:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Patiently waiting for the inevitable Dana White vs. Luke Thomas feud.

by I Can't Feel My Face on Dec 30, 2009 5:17 PM EST reply actions  

I think saying, “it is inappropriate and downright dangerous to expect media to cheerlead the sport” is a little to simple of an explanation for what’s going on here.

Ideally everyone would have access and the media would be able to do write and do whatever they want, but that’s not the way the world works. I really doubt that Dana and Zuffa just decided one day they should start credentialing sherdog again, some sort of deal was brokered, and if Dana feels it isn’t being held up, he has the right to get mad.

Should he get this mad that a card that isn’t very good according to their standards happening on jan 2, 2010 is being overshadowed by decade in review, prognostication, and Dynamite? Probably not. But, we don’t know what deal was worked out to get sherdog credentialed, and no matter what that was, Dana managed to get zuffa back in the headlines.

by Phildo on Dec 30, 2009 5:18 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Is this the new thread where we can make fun of Jake Rossen and Sherdog’s writing skills? Because they are pretty bad.

by dumbwhiteguy on Dec 30, 2009 5:19 PM EST reply actions  

I think you’re looking for the UG.

by ufc4 on Dec 30, 2009 5:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Nailed it.

Keep firing Assholes!

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by Ubernoober on Dec 30, 2009 5:20 PM EST reply actions  

I think someone above nailed it- this is a calculated outburst.

But I think a pretty stupid one. White doesn’t come off well at all here. There’s a bunch of times where he ,IMO, makes himself seem like a bit off an asshole but on the other hand still has a good point. here, he doesn’t even have a point. Cringeworthy

by TLow on Dec 30, 2009 5:22 PM EST reply actions  

I think much of the bias...

or what we perceive as bias is a result of what you call “cheerleading” for anyone not the UFC for a long time… Many instances occur where journalists and bloggers try to present “news” to us as if the standards are the same for everyone, when that is not the case…. Zuffa receives criticism that nobody else receives, while other promotions get stories that are skewed in their favor the majority of the time.

I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.

by Loot on Dec 30, 2009 5:23 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Of course, Zuffa also attempts to put the UFC at the forefront of the sport AS the sport. Remember, Dana said that “UFC” would be the biggest sport in 10 years…

by madiq on Dec 30, 2009 5:31 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

so because the UFC is the Premier MMA Promotion

the media is allowed to be biased?

I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.

by Loot on Dec 30, 2009 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

If it was a report then it would be biased, but it’s an opinion piece. Although I don’t like most of what Rossen writes he is entitled to his opinion, no matter what Dana thinks of it

by IRodC on Dec 30, 2009 6:15 PM EST up reply actions  

The UFC is at the forefront of the sport and to most people it IS the sport.

by VegasBatman on Dec 30, 2009 5:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Biggest Sports franchise is what I think he was alluding to (as it makes more sense that way).

Also what does that have to do with media biases? The UFC has that stance because they’ve furthered the sport more than anyone else currently making money off of it in North America. That means that the UFC can be criticized for things that other promotions can’t? Yet these same other companies get props for “competing” with the UFC?

I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.

by Loot on Dec 30, 2009 5:37 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah, why not

It’s logically consistent with why Dana White is more likely to throw a tantrum regarding something written on Sherdog rather than on some smaller blog.

by capital L on Dec 30, 2009 10:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

Sherdog DOES have a long history of angst with ZUFFA.

by VegasBatman on Dec 30, 2009 5:35 PM EST up reply actions  

THIS

sorry luke, I really love BE because there is no bias. I left sherdog for that reason… there is plenty of historical evidence that shows this (releasing tuf results, the bs lindland movie etc) and it’s really getting old.

by cagefightonacid on Dec 30, 2009 9:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Media role has little if nothing to do with it

should say “Media role has little if anything to do with it”
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by szucconi on Dec 30, 2009 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

"Sherdog ignoring the UFC’s existence because of creds being pulled,"

You didn’t notice the consistent stream of UFC coverage, predictions, analysis, etc throughout that period? Really?

by capital L on Dec 30, 2009 10:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Who was Dana speaking to? At some point he said, “So why the hell do you employ this guy!” I know Sherdog is affiliated with ESPN. So, what’s the scoop?

by Ninkynonk on Dec 30, 2009 5:27 PM EST reply actions  

Jeff Sherwood

most likely. That’s what I took from it.

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by pdl on Dec 30, 2009 6:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought he was just speaking about the royal you. Like if I said, “Why would you trade for Juan Pierre?” when discussing the White Sox.

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by Mike Fagan on Dec 30, 2009 6:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Because they're collecting mediocre players

Oh.. you weren’t really asking.

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by Blackout612 on Dec 30, 2009 6:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Ok, dudes...

Between this and Leland’s comments in the Dynamite!!! preview article, that’s the Cubs, Sox, and Bears getting bashed within a few hours on this site. Can y’all back the fuck off for a bit? Aren’t there other cities with shitty sports teams? Go make fun of the Lions for a bit or something, shit…

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by pdl on Dec 30, 2009 6:58 PM EST up reply actions  

The Ottawa Senators.

They were named after Senators because they share the same strength, bursts of speed and decisiveness of regular as Senators.

Keep firing Assholes!

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by Ubernoober on Dec 30, 2009 7:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I can’t mock Chi-Town, they beat the Vikes.

by nottheface on Dec 30, 2009 7:03 PM EST up reply actions  

No

I’ll knock every sports team that isn’t from my town everywhere all the time. You can knock my team too— your Bears just beat my Vikes. I promise not to load my drawers.

Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"

by Blackout612 on Dec 30, 2009 7:07 PM EST up reply actions  

That they did.

Farve got stuffed something nasty when it came into overtime. Maybe thought he could be clutch enough to tie and then, you know, it will just work out somehow.

"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
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by pdl on Dec 30, 2009 7:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

I was just happy to see them make a game of it. Ended up being pretty exciting, but I had one of those feeluns that it wasn’t going to go our way.

Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"

by Blackout612 on Dec 30, 2009 7:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m a White Sox fan, sir. They’re going to be ultra mediocre again this year.

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by Mike Fagan on Dec 30, 2009 7:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Ugh, I know.

I can handle the criticism of each team individually. I even call Cubs fans the greatest study of absurdism ever witnessed. Camus would be fascinated. There’s been so much of it today, I feel the need to stand up. C’mon man, we had Walter Payton. WALTER EFFING PAYTON! We did the goddamn Superbowl Shuffle. And the White Sox aren’t that far removed from a World Series win…

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by pdl on Dec 30, 2009 7:17 PM EST up reply actions  

They’re going to make me throw up.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 30, 2009 7:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I was trying to bash the celtics in an earlier thread…

by cagefightonacid on Dec 30, 2009 9:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I was trying to bash the celtics in an earlier thread…

by cagefightonacid on Dec 30, 2009 9:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

sxe.

dana white is killing hardcore.

by hydras.teeth on Dec 30, 2009 5:30 PM EST reply actions  

Danas job is to protect UFC, not MMA. He could care less about MMA. That’s why he refers to “UFC” as a sport, not a promotion when he’s on TV.

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by SherdogSux on Dec 30, 2009 5:34 PM EST reply actions  

Thanks

I had wondered before now what side of the argument “SherdogSux” was on..

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by Blackout612 on Dec 30, 2009 5:42 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

This made me smirk

at least a little bit.

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by pdl on Dec 30, 2009 6:43 PM EST up reply actions  

The truth will set you free...whatever!
But it is inappropriate and downright dangerous to expect media to cheerlead the sport. As it succeeds or fails, the job of the reporters is to document it as such. And the role of the opinion writer is to offer their view in a manner as interesting and insightful as possible, even if it comes across as wrongheaded or prickly. The only master either must serve is that of the truth, wherever it can be found and however it looks.

Really? Sports journalism has never been about the Pulitzer prize expose. Sports journalism has always partly been about cheer leading, either for your team or against the other team. The UFC is on one team, everyone else is on the other team. Just read the boxing writers and you can find inherent bias dripping from each articles. As much as we hate to admit it, sports blogging is one rung below sports journalism. Let’s not get indignant about it; it is what it is. MMA as a sport is not or ever about saving mankind or seeking the truth to set us free. There will never be a Watergate expose coming from sports journalism. MMA journalism is all about which guy will kick the other guy’s ass.

We shouldn’t even debate on whether there is a Sherdog bias. There is, in both writers and readers (just read the forums reacting to Rossen’s article). However, Sherdog is not so blatantly bias as other sites, like FightOpinion which has an agenda dripping with disdain. The “truth” is however we you want to spin it. You just need to pick your team first.

by cyph on Dec 30, 2009 5:36 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

There will never be a “Watergate expose” because sports are, in the long run, meaningless. National politics directly or indirectly affects most every person on the planet.

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by Mike Fagan on Dec 30, 2009 6:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey, let us not forget “The Black Sox” scandal.

by nottheface on Dec 30, 2009 7:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Dammit!

Lay off Chicago for an effing minute, ok?! What is with BE today?

"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
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by pdl on Dec 30, 2009 7:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I like the city of Chicago. Like, going there for a weekend. Feel better?

Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"

by Blackout612 on Dec 30, 2009 7:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I've been to Minneapolis.

You’ve earned more pity than forgiveness.

"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe

by pdl on Dec 30, 2009 7:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Well

Someone’s really sore about their struggling sports team.

Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"

by Blackout612 on Dec 30, 2009 7:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Just a bit.

Also fiercely defensive of my hometown. But honestly, look at the NFC North. It has the best city in the country, and then three places that are marginally hospitable to human life. No matter who wins in the division, they don’t get to go home to Chicago.

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by pdl on Dec 30, 2009 7:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Err.. Look at the rest of the NFL's cities

Minneapolis/St Paul are great cities. You’re from Chicago, so maybe that makes you a snob about cities, but I wouldn’t still be here, or have set up my business here, if it was such a shitty place.

Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"

by Blackout612 on Dec 30, 2009 9:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Dana’s been in this business long enough to know exactly what he’s doing. Dana is just doing what all people in a position of power try to do: control the Media. Everyone from politicians to entertainers do it. It makes sense, because let’s face it: the Media can be controlled if done right. In the case of Sherdog, however, I believe this is a personal grudge more than anything. The UFC and Sherdog have a long history, and Dana has torn people apart for lesser offenses then what Sherdog has done.

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by pud333 on Dec 30, 2009 5:36 PM EST reply actions  

I like MMA.

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by Blackout612 on Dec 30, 2009 5:43 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

rec'd for using logic

I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.

by Loot on Dec 30, 2009 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Prove it.

I love me some Sexyama!

by pud333 on Dec 30, 2009 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

You got me.

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by Blackout612 on Dec 30, 2009 6:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Is that many martial arts stuff like Pride Fighting?

by Tonley on Dec 30, 2009 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s like Shooto+Penis Sword Tattoos.

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by Blackout612 on Dec 30, 2009 6:18 PM EST up reply actions  

But...

are you also a motherfucker?

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by pdl on Dec 30, 2009 6:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Depends whose mother it is!!!!!!!!

Don’t worry, I rolled my eyes while typing it, too.

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by Blackout612 on Dec 30, 2009 6:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t like MMA at all, but the UFC is the shit.

Keep firing Assholes!

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by Ubernoober on Dec 30, 2009 6:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Wuts teh UFC?

"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba

by Blackout612 on Dec 30, 2009 6:49 PM EST up reply actions  

It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome.

Keep firing Assholes!

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by Ubernoober on Dec 30, 2009 6:52 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

HAHAHAHA

This should be emblazoned right under the UFC logo.

"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba

by Blackout612 on Dec 30, 2009 6:56 PM EST up reply actions  

The ultimate rec

Check out my new sig.

"Wuts teh UFC?" -Blackout612
"It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome" -Ubernoober

by Blackout612 on Dec 30, 2009 6:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I was going to say something about Breen and the lack of wrath he gets. I would guess there is a reason for that.

Some people think I am a dumb, ugly human being, but really I am a beautiful ape, with exceptional verbal skills.

by szucconi on Dec 30, 2009 5:55 PM EST up reply actions  

If you say sensible things people tend to give you a pass.

Seriously though, it’s hard to find good, logical analysis. Hence why I like BE so much.

by Andy R on Dec 30, 2009 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

now people wont even send a damn email or google something. They just want to create drama and get viewers and hits.

Yeah, like checking to make sure that the UAE is more than just Dubai’s sole financial problems.

I love me some Sexyama!

by pud333 on Dec 30, 2009 6:02 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

strike that, reverse UAE and Dubai for that to make sense.

Some people think I am a dumb, ugly human being, but really I am a beautiful ape, with exceptional verbal skills.

by szucconi on Dec 30, 2009 6:03 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, Dubai is a pimple on the UEA’s ass…

Homeboys have more than half a billion dollars in cash… and the printing press isn’t stopping.

And this character can’t find the time to google it in between eating his moms meatloaf.

Jake asking for meatloaf

by mmalogic on Dec 30, 2009 6:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Not quite sure you understand how an economy works there buddy…

by -Sam on Dec 30, 2009 7:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually by lumping Investment Banking and Entertainment together – I’m certain you don’t.

by -Sam on Dec 30, 2009 7:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess then Im certain you have poor reading comprehension.

by mmalogic on Dec 30, 2009 7:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Ive been here for 6 fuckin months jerking these guys off… I know exactly how it works.

Abu Dhabi has around 600 billion in just sovereign funds waiting to be utilized.

Dubai’s problem was a pimple in the grand scheme of things. Dubai’s debt will be negotiated down and Abu Dhabi will have a very nice and already built adventure land paid for on the cheap right next door. When the economy rebounds and with India’s emergence you have all this infrastructure to take advantage of it.

by mmalogic on Dec 30, 2009 7:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, and Abu Dhabi just bailed them out by way of loan (and ‘only’ $10bil). Its not eased concern about the emirate and its reputation has taken a hit, which will spread to neighbouring regions. The middle east needs Dubai, it has the most transparent market economy, has the international ties and is the most investor friendly. Abu Dhabi sovereign wealth funds are meaningless to the economic health of the region.

by -Sam on Dec 30, 2009 7:40 PM EST up reply actions  

These are old school goat herders… Abu Dhabi is drip feeding and the bitch fest is happening in public to negotiate the liabilities down.

They even threatened to let some of the entities go bankrupt.

They’re doing the right thing. They are letting the market correct itself, de-leverage and they’ll be in a stronger position once everything rebounds.

As India continues to emerge, these concerns are meaningless. All the middle class and higher class indians are running here at the moment.

End of 2010 will be the time to buy.

Look at history… a similar property crash happened in Singapore… except they didn’t have rich cousins next door bathing in oil reserves.

Abu Dhabi’s (capital of the UAE) economy and growth plans are based on a very conservative crude price (which is lower than what the current price is) -

Abu Dhabi and the UAE general isnt going anywhere and will be one of the biggest benefactors in the rebound.

The guys behind Dubai arent very smart… The guys in Abu Dhabi know what they’re doing.

by mmalogic on Dec 30, 2009 8:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Ive been here for 6 fuckin months jerking these guys off

So that’s how you can afford those Bentley payments, logic is a high-priced call girl.

by ufc4 on Dec 30, 2009 7:43 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

The meltdown in Dubai is still a pretty big deal for the UAE. It’s the biggest city in the country and probably responsible for a 1/4 of it’s GNP, so it’s not like Delaware falling apart.

by nottheface on Dec 30, 2009 7:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah I think its close to about a third. The Dubai governments failings will not help investor confidence in the entire region (and the indexes of neighbouring regions has taken a hit). The IMF predicted growth in the rest of UAE to fall as a result.

by -Sam on Dec 30, 2009 7:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, instead of double digit growth the UAE grew 1.3 % in this calamity. It will be around 3% in 2010.

OH THE HORROR.

Please… a correction is always necessary with the amount of growth that was happening.

There is nowhere else in the region that has Dubai’s infrastructure. Once the economy rebounds and with India’s emergence infrastructure will reap the biggest benefits.

This whole thing will amount to one cousin bitch slapping another.

by mmalogic on Dec 30, 2009 7:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Part of that growth was because oil prices stabilized and then started to rise again this year. If it wasn’t for oil, it could have been a calamitous disaster. Dubai went from a $47-billion dollar to a $36-billion dollar one overnight and property values plummeted 40-50%. I just don’t see the city having a quick recovery, even though the rest of the UAE would not allow it to fail. The other Emirates themselves are not incredibly threatened by this but I think it will be a drag on them for the next few years. You may see something in AD that makes you think (and perhaps know) otherwise, but from my experience this was an eye-opener to a lot of people who are going to be hesitant to jump two feet into any financial scheme in that Gulf state anytime soon.

by nottheface on Dec 30, 2009 8:11 PM EST up reply actions  

No recovery is ever quick. Beyonce had a concert here and it sold out. High end shows sell out here very easily. Everybody has money here. Those that went broke left and and others come and take their place.

Everyone wants the american dream and once they get the dollars that dream is in Dubai for those living in this region.

The frivolous financial schemes being over is a good thing… that’s what clears away the bullshit so the real growth models emerge.

Look at the dot com mess… after all the shit cleared away a new era began that was 100 times better – with real business models and innovation.

That’s what’s going to happen in Dubai. The biggest asset are free people with ideas. The market fixes everything.

This is what makes the entrepreneur the greatest hero alive and the greatest server to humanity.

by mmalogic on Dec 30, 2009 8:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I was with you until you paraphrased that old Joseph Campbell quote at the end.

by nottheface on Dec 30, 2009 9:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Nancy Grace

Shudder

"I will do nothing lightly. When I walk, I will walk heavily. When I fight, I will fight with conviction. When I speak, I will speak strongly. When I love, I will love with everything"

by dedstrk316 on Dec 30, 2009 6:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Am I better off that I don’t know who that is?

Keep firing Assholes!

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by Ubernoober on Dec 30, 2009 6:45 PM EST up reply actions  

are you better off never experiencing a root canal?

by mmalogic on Dec 30, 2009 10:36 PM EST up reply actions  

saw a great clip of her ripping into jon gosselin on The Soup.

We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.

by Anthony Pace on Dec 30, 2009 11:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

You are mostly on point, but trying to spin it like the problem is just as bad or worse with the non-Zuffa MMA shows is not accurate. Yes, HDNet does engage in some back-scratching, but nothing on the magnitude of what UFC is doing.

Just try creating a list of all the MMA writers who also work for Zuffa broadcasters, be it TV or online. There are a lot of them.

by smoogy2 on Dec 30, 2009 6:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I dont blame HDNET… even the white house does it. It’s the journalists who compromise themselves and the structure of things.

Everyone on the cable outlets are bought and paid for.

Your healthcare, education and livelihood is spun… MMA schilling is childs play.

At the moment MMA bloggers have only one conflict of interest in that they want to make money with the content by getting traffic or another job.

Every news outlet and paper from CBS to NBC is owned by parties who have interests and make money from every area of our lives… so they’ll sacrifice ratings to protect their pharmaceutical, Military, healthcare, food interests etc…and make up for it with tabloid.

I expect the mma blogs to consolidate as well within the next five years. Sherwood left millions on the table by being greedy and cashing out early.

Guys like comcast, time warner, etc… are buying up all kinds of media properties and soon they’ll get to web properties and will be eating it up by the shit load.

by mmalogic on Dec 30, 2009 7:05 PM EST up reply actions  

While your argument rings true it is also the very reason why Zuffa won’t get a fair break. Anyone running a website is going to appeal to the more obsessive hardcore fans, the very ones that won’t just hop onto UFC.com to get their info. So these fans, by their very nature, are going to be looking for info on the more obscure, less mainstream stories, show, promotions, etc. It’s just like aintitcool or any of the websites dedicated to horror or genre movies. Do they have extensive write-ups on the biggest blockbusters or every oscar nominated flick? No. They may touch upon them, but the most attention is often focused on such flicks as “Let the Right One In” or how Hollywood is going to screw up the remake. You’re yelling into the wind if you think the UFC and Zuffa are going to get the attention they may deserve based on market share with this crowd.

by nottheface on Dec 30, 2009 6:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I can’t mock Chi-Town, they beat the Vikes.

by nottheface on Dec 30, 2009 7:02 PM EST up reply actions  

If I find this in one more spot, I’m flagging you for spam!

Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"

by Blackout612 on Dec 30, 2009 7:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I enjoy Luke Thomas’s opinions and I love this website, but his articles are FARRRRR too wordy.

by RollinOnShabbos on Dec 30, 2009 5:50 PM EST reply actions  

...really?

It’s not even 1400 words.

Yes, I copied it into word and checked.

by woomikee on Dec 30, 2009 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I just meant his sentences are too wordy. His overall length of an/this article doesn’t bother me, but he uses some phrases and big words that don’t seem necessary. This is an excellent article, but I think if he turned it into an English professor, they’d take out a lot of the extraneous wording in the sentences. Whenever I read his articles, I feel like he’s on a job interview, trying to show how articulate he his. Like he’s trying to land a gig with a bigger place. Which if that’s the case, there is nothing wrong with that. FYI, this isn’t a bashing of his writing, just an observation. I will still continue to read all his articles. I was kind of curious if anyone thought the same.

by RollinOnShabbos on Dec 30, 2009 6:08 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

It’s nice to read something once in a while that hasn’t been all stupided out for the sake of ensuring that the bottom 25% of the IQ gradient will get it.

If you’re smart and educated like Luke, you should write to the fullest of your abilities.

Keep firing Assholes!

Editor of www.downsyndromematuremidgetsheltlandponyporn.com/

by Ubernoober on Dec 30, 2009 6:44 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

If the best of your abilities means putting in a lot of unnecessary phrasing, thats a problem.

by Michaelthebox on Dec 30, 2009 7:28 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s not that bad, ever tried to read Charles Dickens?

Keep firing Assholes!

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by Ubernoober on Dec 30, 2009 7:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha

Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"

by Blackout612 on Dec 30, 2009 9:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Being not as bad as Charles Dickens. . . I guess thats something to be proud of.

Anyway, Dickens was a novelist. Its a different genre of writing.

by Michaelthebox on Dec 30, 2009 8:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Nothin a marathon-sesh of Hemingway can't cure.

We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.

by Anthony Pace on Dec 30, 2009 11:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I disagree.

Alla som inte dansar är våldtäktsmän.
Cré nom de Zeus, on est jamais content.
Hadouken.

by Eugene Schelfaut on Dec 30, 2009 7:10 PM EST up reply actions  

As much as it pains me to say it, I think you’re right. I’ve been a big fan of Luke’s writing and analysis since he was writing for his old blog (Mad Squabbles I believe it was called) but he’s starting to go overboard with the big words. I’m actually surprised people have not been complaining more around here. But I guess it would be worse if it was the other way around – if he wrote like a 5th grader.

Speaking of 5th graders writing, has anyone read Sarah Palin’s “Going Rogue”? Holy cow! That book is written exactly the same way I wrote stuff when I was in 8th grade trying to write like I was a college student.

(formerly TheFightJournal)

by Lucas2 on Dec 30, 2009 9:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Makes sense

I wrote a book in 8th grade called “Going Commando”.

Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"

by Blackout612 on Dec 30, 2009 9:32 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

The average american reads at around a 7th grade level.

by mmalogic on Dec 30, 2009 9:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Well in this particular case I think he was trying to stress his professionalism. He needed to whip out the fancy shit if he was going to make a thorough critique of the media’s role in the mma industry. That being said I do sometimes feel like Luke is Bloody Elbow’s dad.

by hlebtasic on Dec 30, 2009 10:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think it’s that bad – and English isn’t even my native language.

by lhasafi on Dec 31, 2009 4:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Has Rossen responded to any of this in any way?

by finkrod on Dec 30, 2009 6:01 PM EST reply actions  

The smart thing to do would to say nothing and just enjoy the increased traffic.

I specializes in grammar fail.

by a tommy point on Dec 30, 2009 6:25 PM EST up reply actions  

would be*

Yaaaay typing!

I specializes in grammar fail.

by a tommy point on Dec 30, 2009 6:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes

But do you like penguins or crepes?

"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba

by Blackout612 on Dec 30, 2009 6:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Great Article

Long, but great. I don’t expect media to cheerlead everything, and I don’t think Dana expects that either. But Rossen’s piece was bias to just his opinion and didn’t bother looking at facts or presenting both sides. That is all fine and good but when you half ass something that is going to be put on one of the major MMA sites, expect to get ripped for it. I checked Sherdog a few days ago and there wasn’t anything on the main page covering UFC 108 except forum topics.. There are today.

The MMA media should be looking to help cover, and advance the sport and educate readers. Too many look to rant about their opinions.

by swells2048 on Dec 30, 2009 6:03 PM EST reply actions  

It was an op-ed piece.

by Tonley on Dec 30, 2009 6:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I understand

But he is representive of Sherdog and in a larger scale, mma media. When you provide opinion with incorrect information you show your ass.

by swells2048 on Dec 30, 2009 6:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Rossen writes op-eds, which are by nature biased and opinionated. He should check his facts, but doesn’t need to present both sides.

Second, I don’t think the role of the MMA media is to “advance the sport.” The role of the MMA media is to provide factually accurate reporting and responsible commentary.

If Dana White makes a provocative argument with questionable reasoning, it’s fair to call him out on it. Just the same, Zuffa deserves much praise for its usually savvy business decisions. It ought to be both. Unfortunately, it usually isn’t.

by Andy R on Dec 30, 2009 6:14 PM EST up reply actions  

The role of the MMA media is to provide factually accurate reporting and responsible commentary.

And IMO, in doing so it advances the sport. If he would have checked and had his facts straight, his opinion may have differed and this could have been avoided. I don’t think advancing the sport means you have to be a cheerleader. Luke doesn’t cheerlead Dana or the UFC but provides a well written, well thought out piece. Which allows for intelligent conversation and coverage, which IMO advances the sport.

by swells2048 on Dec 30, 2009 6:21 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Part of the problem with this (and one that sherdog is horrible at, but so is most online media) is that they don’t do enough to separate articles from features from reports from columns from editorials. It doesn’t matter what type of article it is, if it’s the newest article on sherdog, it get puts in the same spot on the front page as every other type of article.

Whether or not Rossen is a good columnist or biased or if sherdog is biased is only part of it, all internet “news” sites need to do a better job of separating news from opinion.

by Phildo on Dec 30, 2009 6:43 PM EST up reply actions  

He writes op-ed pieces, they don’t have to present facts or remain un-biased.

by finkrod on Dec 30, 2009 6:06 PM EST reply actions  

So the stuff he said about Dubai and UAE doesn’t have to be exactly accurate since it is an op-ed piece?

Just BE.

by mattman73 on Dec 30, 2009 6:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, but it makes his opinion worthless and him and the site that he works for look dumb. If he is not checking his own facts then he is making things up. So what is his opinion worth if he can’t back it up?

Some people think I am a dumb, ugly human being, but really I am a beautiful ape, with exceptional verbal skills.

by szucconi on Dec 30, 2009 6:16 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Since it’s opinion based, no he doesn’t have to present facts. Is it a good idea to do some research before you disseminate something for public consuption? Of course.

by finkrod on Dec 30, 2009 6:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I listen to some of their online radio shows

and it is obvious to me that some guys over there have a pro Japan mma view.

by Td9d on Dec 30, 2009 6:16 PM EST reply actions  

Which radio programs? Breen has a thing for little guy and also a thing for Brazilian dudes with several names.

Some people think I am a dumb, ugly human being, but really I am a beautiful ape, with exceptional verbal skills.

by szucconi on Dec 30, 2009 6:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I have friends like that. I just shake the shit out of them every once in a while.

"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba

by Blackout612 on Dec 30, 2009 6:22 PM EST up reply actions  

God forbid anybody should be in favor of MMA in Japan.

Did you have a point?

by smoogy2 on Dec 30, 2009 6:48 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s clear that he’s inferring there is a bias.

"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba

by Blackout612 on Dec 30, 2009 6:50 PM EST up reply actions  

C'mon

The idea Sherdog has no bias is ridiculous. Their news editor, Loretta Hunt, was in the Matt Lindland anti-UFC documentary; she wrote that terribly sourced “news scoop” on backstage passes that was possibly the most poorly conceived news item in the MMA media all year, the one that caused Dana to go off on his video blog; she wrote a book with Randy Couture while he was on the outs with UFC and is writing another one with Big John McCarthy while he’s on the outs with UFC.

You make valid points on the media in general and it wouldn’t be fair to tar everyone who writes for Sherdog with the same brush, but you have to stick your head deep in the sand to ignore that the person calling the editorial shots at Sherdog has a long track record of anti-UFC bias.

by andherewego on Dec 30, 2009 6:32 PM EST reply actions  

How much do you want to bet.....

that there is no one else on the other line. Dana is just talking to himself to try and make some point onto his vlog. Its the saddest thing even after being bald.

by cyke on Dec 30, 2009 6:58 PM EST reply actions  

And the cycle continues.

Walking the line between intelligence and ignorance since 1985
@deowade

by Deo Wade on Dec 30, 2009 7:10 PM EST reply actions  

Dana is laughing at us while counting his money.

In 10 years if the UFC is worth $1.6 billion, will it be the most valued sports franchise on Earth? I bet it would be top 3. Good job for a man many claim is stupid.

If I go to a baseball website for news or info, I don’t expect to get articles full of incorrect facts or slamming MLB. I want news, facts and reviews. I can even live with the opinions about the same news, facts and reviews. Unfortunately most MMA sites have lowered themselves to BS stories/opinions to drive page hits. This kind of crap cheapens MMA, its fighters, promotions and everything that is associated with ti.

by Riney on Dec 30, 2009 7:38 PM EST reply actions  

Wasn’t the UFC already valued at well over a billion dollars by Forbes?

Just BE.

by mattman73 on Dec 30, 2009 7:55 PM EST up reply actions  

1.2b… I contend that it’s already worth more today not only because of the increase in revenue but the new metrics that’s available today which confirms a very healthy minimum upside/ceiling. Regardless, UFC being the most valued sports franchise in the world is a probable certainty… nobody can even argue against it.

UFC being the biggest sports league in the world is the challenge and the ultimate prize. There’s nothing better than that.

At a minimum UFC will be the 3rd biggest sports league in the world behind the NFL and MLB.

If the Demographics and Geographical economies change as expected UFC has a good shot at being at least number 2 and within arms length of number 1.

by mmalogic on Dec 30, 2009 10:29 PM EST up reply actions  

The NBA as well as several of the major soccer leagues will also pose serious obstacles to overcome.

by capital L on Dec 30, 2009 10:51 PM EST up reply actions  

If the NBA doesn’t go bankrupt first. And logic, I think you’re over-estimating MLB’s impact; outside of 2 or 3 franchises, the rest of the world couldn’t give two shits about American baseball.

by woomikee on Dec 31, 2009 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

I think Dana’s point is that as the MMA media, they should want the sport to be the largest in the word in 10 years. They shouldn’t try and push it backwards. The whole Loretta Hunt thing was blown out of proportion by you guys. I don’t think anyone would have really picked up on it without the MMA media running with the story. Also, this is totally calculated and will end up creating buzz for the event.

by thisredengine on Dec 30, 2009 7:59 PM EST reply actions  

Should we stop reporting Rampage Jackson going temporarily insane? Steroid suspensions? M-1 Global’s shading dealings?

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by Mike Fagan on Dec 30, 2009 11:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Should we stop reporting Rampage Jackson going temporarily insane?

Yes.

Steroid suspensions?

For Zuffa fighters yes, all others no.

M-1 Global’s shading dealings?

Absolutely not.

by ufc4 on Dec 30, 2009 11:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes on all counts. All of those matters are linked to MMA. Please keep remporting them.

by lhasafi on Dec 31, 2009 4:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, since you asked:

a) “Crazy Rampage” – Is that still news? Really? That was July of LAST YEAR. Anyone who isn’t aware of that should probably seek medical treatment for being side-swiped in the brain.
b) “Steroid suspensions” Sure, if they’re news. (Although I’d like to hear more about Sean Sherk testing positive – that never gets old.)
c) “Shading dealings” – I wasn’t aware that they were involved in shading. A bit of the old chiaroscuro going on? Some dangerous cross-hatching? :-)

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ.
I blog at TangleBones - you should follow me on Twitter here.

by jemaleddin on Dec 31, 2009 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

JUDAS FUCKING PRIEST PEOPLE...

…Alright, you guys are looking at this whole situation ass backwards.
Before I go any further, let me point out that I’m one of the first to bash
and bitch about what DW does…but you are taking a gigantic fucking
leap with this article. Nowhere in there is Dana White bitching about
Rossen’s bias, nor is he arguing about his right to print it as he sees
it, so to speak.

It’s glaringly obvious that what He’s urked with is Rossen’s self serving purpose
in his questioning, and the statements He made. Obviously the reason DW was
doing the interview-the reason He agreed to the interview in the first place- was to promote the upcoming event.

Not so Rossen could take it upon himself to argue over other issues.

by Paytience on Dec 31, 2009 12:02 AM EST reply actions  

Hahahhaahahahahaaha

Let’s look at the series of events here:

  1. Dana writes a slightly controversial piece to get some press for the UFC
  2. Said piece gets a tepid response
  3. Dana finds one article disagreeing with him and calls the editor to complain
  4. Dana puts the conversation in his video blog
  5. Huge swell of response from the MMA press.

Dear MMA Press,

What does it feel like to be slowly turned into a fiddle?

:-)

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ.
I blog at TangleBones - you should follow me on Twitter here.

by jemaleddin on Dec 31, 2009 9:46 AM EST reply actions  

A lot of good points posted here for both sides

Although the one thing I recently noticed by Jake Rossen was his last week’s appearance on MMA Live, about “Sherdog’s Top 10 Decade Stories”. I found it amazing that the top 10 stories were about actual minor stories with Bob Sapp, Lee Murray, and notable MMA deaths like Evan Tanner. There were other stories I felt worthy like Gina Carano and the Death of Pride. But Seriously the number 1 story is Neveda? I mean they went in depth on there about how to get Nevada on board to sanction MMA but wouldn’t the story be more about Zuffa bringing MMA back from extinction in the states potentially. I’m amazed that the couldn’t even mention the 1st TUF Season & the Forrest Griffen/Stephan Bonner fight somewhere in the top 10 there at all either (although Kenny Florian did).

I’m not a fan of Dana’s angry rants, and I see relatively good points about the push back people are giving him here.

Yet the fact to me that words UFC/Zuffa somehow found a way not to have been mention as a title of the top 10 stories seems extremely biased to me. That they found a way to put Nevada as THE top story instead is quite ridiculous. You seriously need to make a conscious decision to avoid mentioning the UFC/Zuffa as one of the top stories of the decade, nevermind avoid mentioning them as THE number 1 story of the decade.

The fact that they weren’t mentioned at all somewhere there tells me what is consisent in some of the posts above. That Sherdog’s anti-UFC bias history appears to be quite evident.

by KillerInstinct on Dec 31, 2009 12:11 PM EST reply actions  

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