Serious Steroid Allegations Made About Golden Glory Gym -- Home of Alistair Overeem
by Kid Nate on Dec 28, 2009 9:40 AM EST
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Translation by way of Head Kick Legend, K-1 kickboxer Zabit Samedov speaks to ValeTudo.ru:
Almost all Dutch fighters juice. For example, in Golden Glory it’s almost a part of the club’s policy. They shoot up and fight like it’s nothing. Because of that when they get to the ring they start raging. Think about it yourself, how could Bard Hari change his physical complexion so much in two years?
Karaev trained in Holland and said that Zimmerman shoots up in front of everyone and only after that starts training. Look at what an elephant Zimmerman had become in just two years. But most of these fighters pass all medical tests for steroids.
How? They consume extremely high level new pharmaceutical drugs and go through a very expensive three months cycle. So they can get huge.
Golden Glory is, of course the home of Strikeforce heavyweight champion Alistair Overeem. It is very important to note that these are allegations made with no supporting evidence offered by Samedov. It's also essential to note that Samedov specifically names fighters that he has lost to recently. And finally Samedov himself has failed a steroid test in the past.
Nevertheless, where there is smoke, sometimes there is fire.
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Samedov is bitter.. but..
BUT, I feel like this could hold water.
I’ve reached out to a few people at GG to see if they have any sort of response to this, it could get interesting.
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AO just eats all his spinach is all.
for all intents and purposes, just consider all my posts as works of satire.
If anything that makes it look steady
Like he slowly put on weight.
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Better Comparison
Old Overeem
Ubereem
Maybe he juices, maybe he has good genes.
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The only issue here is what are the dates?
Because the one Zak posted did look sort of like a linear transformation.
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The 1st 3 pics were found on random blogs that were swooning over his physique.
No dates and I dare not go back to see more.
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Steroids accelerate the linear transformation. Overeem went from fighting as Pride Middleweight (205 max) to 250 lbs of that over a few years.
Draw your own conclusions.
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His last fight at middleweight was in 2007 against Rua. So he went from being able to cut to 205 to weighing in at 253 lbs against James Thompson.
So yeah. That is some awesome genetics!
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Take in consideration that he’s only 29 years old.
by dancingChicken on Dec 28, 2009 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
Look at his face...
Adding a bunch of muscle mass to your torso is one thing, but the crazy bloated face is a telltale sign
Goldie: "Michael Jordan-esque in his grappling skills is Travis Lutter."
Rogan: "No, no he's not. No."
Whether he juices or not
the guy has unbelievably good genetics. I’ve seen amateur bodybuilders who Overeem puts to shame.
Steroids just enhance/ speed along the results of hard work and good genes.
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by ElliotMatheny on Dec 28, 2009 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
agreed
some people find an easier time toning their bodies lifting weights than others, it really depends on our physical aspects. When I first started lifting weights way back, my body already started to look cut and lean after 6 months, whereas my friend that had been lifting weights for over a year didn’t have any type of cut muscles to show for his efforts. Some people gain muscles easier than others for sure. Wish I still had my muscles though, now I just got a big beer belly, I wish I wasn’t so lazy :P
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by Scott C. Broussard on Dec 29, 2009 2:57 AM EST up reply actions
NO WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
im in total shock right now by these allegations no way there true i just dont believe it
It’s funny how on the steroid issue, people seem to alternate between “It’s common knowledge that everybody does roids, even GSP and your little 9 year old sister” and “How dare you accuse the guy who gained 50 pounds of muscles in two years along with all the other guys in his gym ?!!”.
There has to be a middle ground…
Well...
My thing is. It would be ignorant to not think that a large percentage of fighters are on steroids. BUT, you can’t accuse a specific person without proof beyond “they got bigger.”
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 28, 2009 10:03 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What if...
…they got an illness that normally afflicts either the very old or steroid users?
Just asking.
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Maybe if steroid allegations didn’t turn into such a witch hunt every time people could be more level headed. You have to admit the current situation is very hypocritical. Every serious source tends to say that a majority of athletes (regarding of sports) are on PED, yet we still act surprised and outraged when somebody is found out.
The thing is,
They didn’t just get “bigger”, they added significant amounts of lean muscle, while the majority of their training is focused on mma training, not necessarily weight lifting.
The people that claim, “its not that hard to do that in a couple of years” typically don’t know what they’re talking about. Bodybuilders struggle to make those gains, while juicing and devoting their whole life to strictly lifting.
Its not really worth arguing about, but if you’ve been around weight lifting for any amount of time, those gains on top of the extreme facial change equals a pretty obvious conclusion. When your bodyfat ratio is under 10 percent and you have a big bloated face… well, that just doesn’t happen naturally.
by bleve_ on Dec 28, 2009 2:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The head...
is the most convincing part. Especially considering that his face wasn’t drawn or gaunt when he was cutting to 205.
Bodybuilders struggle to put on mass because they’ve already got a lot of mass. However, someone who is keeping themselves at a lower weight can put on significant mass after they decide to stop cutting.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 28, 2009 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
BLEVE
People just can’t seem to realize that. People that believe that this guy, Brock, etc… are natural than they have never been in a gym!
by SHOGUNROBBERY on Dec 29, 2009 8:22 AM EST up reply actions
It does not follow from the fact that he lost to these fighters that It is false that they take PED’s.
Given the stakes, the money and fame that can be earnt as a result of being at the top, it would be relatively surprising if they are not using PED’s.
by The Alabaster Trickster on Dec 28, 2009 10:04 AM EST reply actions
lol, also
From the same interview;
Do you know why I am just about the lightest K1 fighter? Because I don’t shoot up roids. I’m a professional athlete, I don’t even take vitamins. I’m lazy when it comes to those things. Besides, we don’t have the money and the sponsors to go through a similar Dutch cycle. Nor do we have competent specialists who could monitor the intake of these drugs.
So after riding his high horse, he goes on to imply if somebody could help him roid up, he would.
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Yeah, my first thought was that he’s bitter that he doesn’t have money to afford quality cycle…
by dancingChicken on Dec 28, 2009 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
What’s a “Dutch cycle”?
From now on whatever event I am planning will be know as the ‘Bas Rutten Invitational ____’
The fancy 3 month cycle...
that he talked about the GG fighters doing
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 28, 2009 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
Google says
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by greco-roman airlines on Dec 28, 2009 10:16 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Why use “serious” in the headline when A) these allegations are no more serious than any one of us saying the exact same thing with no evidence or proof to back our claims and B) the post-quote commentary states as much?
by Tap or Snap Radio on Dec 28, 2009 10:12 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Bravo, I find no difference between Samedov’s and Rudy Valentino’s claims. Yet only one is ridiculed.
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by greco-roman airlines on Dec 28, 2009 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
Because it’s not about who is accusing but who’s accused.
by dancingChicken on Dec 28, 2009 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
One is a guy saying, “i saw someone take steroids” while one is saying “we heard.”
That’s a pretty big difference.
Samedov didn’t see anything, he’ve heard it from Karaev.
Btw. with this allegations Zabit stabbed Karaev in the back…
PS. There is a mistake in headline (“allegtions”).
by dancingChicken on Dec 28, 2009 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
Still, someone saying someone else saw is better than someone saying “i heard.”
I wouldn’t put too much thought into these, but this is much more serious than the ridiculous timeline pictures, and more serous than the GSP accusations because there are more names involved, plus more smoke behind the fire.
Yeah, he basically accused whole GG team of steroids usage.
Karaev is still training at GG so we might expect some comments from him…
by dancingChicken on Dec 28, 2009 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
Well...
for one…WE have never been in the ring fighting any of these guys.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 28, 2009 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
the allegations are serious
its the supporting evidence that is lacking.
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props to the guy that produces actual evidence...
i, for one, would not want to piss off a group of roided up human weapons and there roided up fighter friends in search for evidence. could end very ugly.
Because it was on a major Russian website..
And it has been kind of unspoken in K-1 circles for a very long time. Outside of American fans and the roid allegations towards Alistair, you’d be surprised at how hush hush the whole steroid thing is. Nobody talks about it.
He is a high level fighter with inside knowledge who has fallen on tough times, and he isn’t just saying “well they all juice” but is saying they cycle using expensive drugs. He has firsthand knowledge of fight camps and the fighters. It could just be bitter grapes or it could hold water.
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Got’cha. I must admit I only follow K-1 loosely and don’t really pay attention to the “business” side of things.
I was pretty into it for a couple years in the early part of the decade but I was pretty disgusted by the ’04 WGP Finals and never really came back.
Thanks for the insight.
by Tap or Snap Radio on Dec 28, 2009 10:35 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I lean towards the latter.
I think it holds some weight here. He didn’t just say “i heard from someone…”. He said I heard about it…AND here’s the name of who I heard it from.
by MickDawg on Dec 28, 2009 4:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
1-Just because a person is bitter or holds some sort of grudge, does not make them incorrect. Jose Canseco anyone? I’m talking baseball and allegations, not his mma carer, lol.
2-PEDs are a far bigger issue than we would like to admit. As a society, we kind of turn our eyes away from it, unless it is blatently placed in front of us. Steroids were commonly used when I was in high school and that was the early-mid 80’s in freakin’ Kansas. Unfortunately, we don’t hear about it until it goes to some sort of an extreme, like an 18 year old committing suicide, etc…
3-I think we would all be shocked at how many athletes use PEDs. I have a friend who was an instructor at American Top Team, and he basically echoed what was said about Golden Glory, that “everyone” at ATT juices. I think we need to realize that “everyone” in these cases, means it is common and not literally everyone is juicing.
I don’t know what the solution is, but when success in sports is measured by big contracts, pay days, endorsements, etc…, we shouldn’t be shocked by athletes juicing or sleeping with numerous jersey chasers, etc…
by ultimatefightsource on Dec 28, 2009 10:39 AM EST reply actions
In the same vein, and just because I haven’t seen much from top MMA guys talking about it in any depth, here’s a link to a thread on CW where Dan Hardy talks a little about steroid use:
http://www.cagewarriors.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28538&page=2
my opinion used to be the same but after years of travelling and training and being in some of the best gyms around, it has changed the way i see things a little.
He was still cutting to 205 as recently as 2007, is the main thing.
I don’t know jack shit about weight cutting, but maybe someone here can answer this: Who’s the biggest guy at 205, and what’s he cutting from?
Griffin supposedly walks around 240, diets down to 230 – 225 and cuts to 205.
Bas Boon said that Overeem was over 220 in Pride.
by dancingChicken on Dec 28, 2009 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
I think it is awesome that unlikable people think muscles will make them cool
I’ve had some former fat kids from highschool that nobody liked add me on Facebook recently and they are all roided to the gills, yet nobody likes them still.
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Spoken like the inner monologue of a fatty.
Just sayin’.
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Nope.
Was mine?
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steroids accusations are lame.
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Whereas positive steroid test results are AWESOME.
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In the interest of shameless self promotion I did write a take on the steroid stuff which is up on SBNation.com now.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 28, 2009 12:28 PM EST reply actions
I dunno...dude looks a lot bigger than about a year ago...
Not saying he IS on anything. But he is bigger than he was
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 28, 2009 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
Plus the roid rage against Bonjasky and Japan doesn’t drug test. It doesn’t take a much effort to beat the “drug testing.”
He has always been like that.
Badr Hari’s entire history is of flipping out and having a bad temper, by all means people who have known him a long time confirm he has always had a really bad temper.
If anything his “roid rage” should be through the roof right now with how ripped he looks. He not only lost most of his body fat but added lean muscle as well, when the past year he has been almost serene, even after losing to Overeem he didn’t go nuts like everybody was afraid of.
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yes there is, it only affects 5% of the population tho.
just like peanuts aren’t deadly for everyone. ;)
Roids overseas...
If they don’t test for roids and there’s a way to take them without getting caught, then take the roids. Seriously, do it. Because the other guys are finding out how to not get caught. Yes it’s unfair to the dudes in the sport who want to do things “naturally” (the amounts of training these guys go through though are anything but). Or you could just train with Fedor and learn how to win without steroids.
It was an interview, containing accusations and it is new.
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There’s a huge difference between quoting a person who accused someone of roiding, than a site accusing someone without basis..
The later shouldn’t be done, while the former is ALWAYS done. (See Pacquiao accused by Mayweather Sr., BJ Penn’s Trainer accusing GSP, etc etc.)
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 28, 2009 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
Where there's smoke
there’s often a smoke machine.
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Or Nick Diaz
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by Damon O. on Dec 28, 2009 5:32 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Well played, sir.
Perfect fit in every sense of the phrases.
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i reccomend you all go watch 'bigger, faster stronger'
it can be streamed online, for free. i was going to write a whole lot on the whole steroid thing, but that movie pretty much gets my points across.
it’s ugly, but there’s a system immanent logic to using performance enhancing drugs when you’re a pro athlete: if you’re mediocre – and most of us are – and want to achieve big, you can’t do without drugs. do you really want to leave it to ‘genetics’ and talk about ‘god given’ or do something about it yourself?
it’s dirty cheating and it can be a health-risk if it isn’t done under supervision of a doctor, but if you don’t like it, don’t ever watch ESPN..
Pretty sure he's of mixed descent.
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Dutch + Surinamese = Caucasian + African + Latin + East Indian
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