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Mayweather Camp Softens Testing Stance but Bout With Pacquiao Still in Jeopardy

via Gulfnews.com

This news is only mildly encouraging:

Mayweather changed his stance Saturday, moving off the hard line he had taken on using USADA as the testing agency.

"We are OK to move off USADA," Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer, who is representing Mayweather, told ESPN.com. "What we're saying, and what is important to us, is four things -- that the tests be random, that they include blood and urine and the time frame, meaning when do you stop the tests before the fight but know they will still be effective. Three of them we have agreed on -- random, blood and urine. So now it is a matter of the two sides working out the specifics of the cutoff date to assure it will still be effective."

Arum's new stance is he'll do whatever the Nevada commission states - even if that means blood testing. The problem is that the commission is hardly prepared:

"We're very confident that urine tests by themselves cover everything that needs to be covered, but if the camps want to do additional testing through a third party they are welcome to, as long as they also adhere to commission rules," Kizer told ESPN.com. "Urine testing we could run with today. We could test their urine every day from now until March 13. But blood testing is trickier because we don't require it. If the commission wanted to change the rule it would have to be at a public meeting and, at the earliest, that would be early to mid-January. We have done some urine testing during training camps. We have those protocols in place. Blood testing is a different story.

"We'd have to put it on a commission agenda. Golden Boy or Top Rank or both could ask for blood testing and we'd look into it. Whether it would go anywhere, that's up to the commission to decide. As of now, there are no plans for a special commission meeting, nor has one been requested from either side."

I want to remain optimistic about this fight happening and am hoping all of this posturing eventually seals the deal. But what if the negotiations fail? What if the biggest fight in any combat sport in a generation is lost? Scott Christ of Bad Left Hook doesn't like what he sees:

But for the sake of argument, say this whole deal is really in serious jeopardy. Then I can offer only one thought. Boxing has built up a lot of goodwill in the last couple of years. Folks have come back to the sport, and have come to it for the first time, and business has picked up. While still a niche sport (which will always be the case), boxing has gotten itself back up near the level of where UFC is at in America, and for the biggest fights, boxing still seems to capture the general public's interest a bit more than even Dana White's machine.

But if Pacquiao-Mayweather truly falls apart, boxing pisses that goodwill away in America. If they offer farces like Pacquiao-Foreman, Pacquiao-Malignaggi or Mayweather-Matthew Hatton, a lot of people are going to see right through this crap, declare boxing corrupt again, ruled by men that don't care a lick for the sport's best interests.

And frankly, they'll probably be right. Letting this fight dissolve would be an enormous blow to boxing's present and future. There is NO suitable substitute fight, nothing that will get the watercooler talk going anywhere near this level. Mayweather-Marquez and Cotto-Pacquiao were big, big fights. Huge fights. Mayweather-Pacquiao is quite literally a combination of the buzz those two fights generated. We're talking about a fight that is potentially going to threaten the all-time PPV record and likely break the records in Vegas, too.

It can't not happen. And that's why I don't think there's a very good chance it gets called off for real.

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To settle this they should fight it out in The Octagon!

Keep firing Assholes!

Fedor has accomplished nothing until he fights Kimbo.

by Ubernoober on Dec 27, 2009 4:19 PM EST reply actions  

While still a niche sport (which will always be the case), boxing has gotten itself back up near the level of where UFC is at in America, and for the biggest fights, boxing still seems to capture the general public’s interest a bit more than even Dana White’s machine.


Can anyone confirm or deny this for me? I knew the superfights still attracted more attention than the UFC but I didnt think anything else outside of the big fights was even coming close to UFC numbers.

Take 106 it supposedly did 330k buys I mean has any boxing non-super fight even touch that number this year?

by bigdmmafan on Dec 27, 2009 4:52 PM EST reply actions  

I read it as boxing super fights tend to get more interest from the general public than UFC cards do. I think the author agrees with your first statement.

by Andy R on Dec 27, 2009 5:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Boxing PPV numbers are like Boxing paydays, really high for the top of the top, but middling for anything else.

Guillotine.

by iiowyn on Dec 27, 2009 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I hope it doesnt happen

who really cares about boxing at this point and when this fight fails UFC 111 will get all the mainstream press in late march and its already setting up to be a super card maybe a million plus buys

by milk72 on Dec 27, 2009 5:07 PM EST reply actions  

My sarcasm meter must be broken because it doesn’t seem like your joking.

by John Nash on Dec 27, 2009 5:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

You’re joking.

by John Nash on Dec 27, 2009 5:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Co-promotion at it’s finest!

Guillotine.

by iiowyn on Dec 27, 2009 5:27 PM EST reply actions  

Mayweather f’ed up.

If he wasn’t willing to actually call the fight off, they shouldn’t have taken such a hard line stance at the beginning about the WADA testing.

He could have come off like a good guy who is concerned about steroids (to the mainstream, I think boxing fans know what’s up) but if he blinks now everyone will know that this was just a failed effort at negotiation, and he’ll lose any goodwill that he could have gained by being on the side of “steroids are evil.”

by Phildo on Dec 27, 2009 5:36 PM EST reply actions  

I think it is already pretty clear what is happening here.

Pretty Boy Floyd =

by Steve4192 on Dec 27, 2009 9:53 PM EST up reply actions  

WTF is that! What happened to Jay’s dick?

for all intents and purposes, just consider all my posts as works of satire.

by Bandaka on Dec 28, 2009 10:08 AM EST up reply actions  

What movie is that from? Dogma?

for all intents and purposes, just consider all my posts as works of satire.

by Bandaka on Dec 28, 2009 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

If they seriously blow this fight, this NECESSARY fight for the good of boxing,

they might as well do Pacquiao-George Foreman on NYE in Japan. I’d at least stream that one.

by Trysdor on Dec 27, 2009 6:15 PM EST reply actions  

Keep hearing that… Is that a George foreman jr? Not the 60 year old heavyweight I hope

by kanodogg on Dec 27, 2009 7:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

It's Yuri Foreman

WBA Super Welterweight champ. No relation. Easy W for Pac to get an 8th weight class championshp, really. Joke of a fight.

by Trysdor on Dec 27, 2009 9:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Neither of these fighters care about boxing, only their careers and legacies.

So even bringing up the fact that boxing is the big loser (along with the fans) if this fight doesn’t happen doesn’t even make a dent in either camp. They can get paid fighting anyone, sure, this pay check will be huge in comparison, but elite boxers are eternally greedy. That’s what I like about MMA right now. The big names have had their ability to earn stifled by the UFC building their “brand,” so they don’t have this kind of power.

As much as people bitch about fighter pay, and it SHOULD be higher, having the promoters in power is better for us, the fans.

by Dexerion on Dec 27, 2009 7:20 PM EST reply actions  

Zuffa is doing everyone a favor and the haters will never be thankful.

We’re seeing glimpses of what “could be” now while the fanboys cheerlead.
 
Back when Tito was champ he was 100 times more marketable than chuck. Tito knew he would lose to chuck, Zuffa knew Tito had almost no chance and everyone else in tito’s camp knew he would lose.

Did Zuffa protect Tito and keep promoting the more marketable star? NO. Did Zuffa give Tito a “Scott Smith” to main event a show with? NO. Tito had to leave and ultimately ended up having to fight chuck.

People who say “it’s all about the fighters” are morons. It’s like me saying “It’s all about my UPS guy”… no It’s about me and my package. It’s about the consumers and what they get.

Fighters dont give a rats fuckin ass about the fans and the fans dont give a rats fucking ass about the fighters unless they do something significant or when they lose…

That’s why having an organization like Zuffa to make sure guys like Anderson Silva, Machida, Chuck etc… get their shot and fans get the best fights.

by mmalogic on Dec 27, 2009 10:00 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s like me saying "It’s all about my UPS guy"… no It’s about me and my package.

Going with the tamer metaphor when a sex related one could have been used…you doing ok?

Guillotine.

by iiowyn on Dec 27, 2009 10:53 PM EST up reply actions  

gee, if only

they had some way to settle their differences.

http://mixedmartialartsblogger.wordpress.com/

by Cory Braiterman on Dec 27, 2009 8:01 PM EST reply actions  

Random Drug Tests?

They do that anyway, right? Minus the blood testing, right? Is this another ploy to attack Pacqiuao again by threatening the random drug tests so you BETTER be clean? I still say this is a way of Mayweather trying to play in his favor no matte WHAT the circumstance. I just thought his money meant more to him than his record.

At the same time, I still beleive there’s some type of shadyness in the boxing world. And I REALLY hope it doesn’t trickle over to the MMA Judges. Basically, how do we know that the random drug testing is so “random” per se? Weren’t there some strategically scheduled testing for a certain MMA fighter (I wanna say Josh Barnett) earlier this year?

He shouldnt be using it anyway…

Somebody educate me

by Krimson on Dec 27, 2009 9:01 PM EST reply actions  

The fight will happen… if it doesnt HBO will have a bunch of nutsacks in a vice.

Not only will the fans be disillusioned but some of the players who bankroll shit to get to these kinds of opportunities and where these type of revenue situations are even possible – They’re gonna be pissed.

by mmalogic on Dec 27, 2009 10:05 PM EST reply actions  

It seems like I have been waiting for this fight to happen for over 5 years now, god I am sick of the delays.

for all intents and purposes, just consider all my posts as works of satire.

by Bandaka on Dec 28, 2009 10:10 AM EST reply actions  

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