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Bloody Elbow Judo Chop: Frank Mir's No Arm-In Guillotine Submits Cheick Kongo at UFC 107

Photo via UFC.com. Note Mir's right leg is grapevined around Kongo's right calf, preventing him from standing up and escaping.

Frank Mir's demolition of Cheick Kongo at UFC 107 was a quintessential state-of-the-art example of a thoroughly well-rounded Mixed Martial Artist in full effect. He clowned Kongo with one big punch standing and then immediately follows him down and applies a guillotine.

I hadn't really considered doing a judo chop on it though since none of the techniques he used struck me as being particularly novel on first viewing. But after reviewing the fight it occurred to me that this was a perfect moment to discuss a text book example of one of the most popular fight-winning submissions in all of MMA: the Guillotine Choke.

From Wikipeida:

The Guillotine choke is a chokehold in martial arts applied from in front of the opponent. The choke involves using the arms to encircle the opponent's neck in a fashion similar to a guillotine. The technique is either a type of tracheal compression restraint (wind choke) that prevents air flow to the lungs, or a blood choke depending on how it is applied. When executed from the ground, the person applying it will try to control the opponent by the hips, for instance using a closed guard. This is done to prevent the opponent from escaping the hold, and to be able to apply additional pressure by extending the hips.

This technique can cause unconsciousness if done correctly. It is taught in various grappling martial arts, including Jujutsu, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, Judo, as well as in mixed martial arts competition. In Danzan Ryu, it is also taught as a neck crank.

Animated gifs in the full entry, plus, Frank Mir's jiu jitsu trainer Robert Drysdale discusses the move, what Kongo could have done to escape, how the cage impacted the execution of the hold and why the no-arm guillotine is preferable to the arm-in guillotine.

Let's look at the fight...

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Mir6_mediumGifs by Chris Nelson.

First let's look at the punch that gave Mir the opportunity to go in for the kill. On the right we see Mir feint with his right hand which causes Kongo to put his left hand out to parry and simultaneously baits Kongo into dropping his right hand for a counter. That's what Mir was hoping for as he wings in a hard left over the top catching Kongo right on the button.

Mir7_mediumOn the left we get another angle on the punch and you can really see how upright Kongo is standing as Mir's left hand comes winging in. Mir commented in the post-fight interview that that's a habit of "European Kickboxers." That was a telling statement that indicates the extent to which Frank Mir and his camp review tape of opponents and game plan specifically based on the tendencies revealed in the tape. Question for all the boxing experts out there -- is the punch Mir is throwing a hook or an overhand and what's the difference? Answer in the comments, thanks!

Mir-transition_mediumNow on the right we see Mir transitioning from an arm-in guillotine to a no-arms guillotine.  Kongo is very much a live-threat at this point as he grabs Mir's left leg and works for a single-leg take down. Note that this maneuver entails breaking his grip on the choke and potentially risks losing the hold entirely.

I asked Robert Drysdale, Frank Mir's jiu jitsu coach (and one of the top competitive jiu jitsu players in the world) about this and here's what he said:

Personally I prefer the guillotine without the arm.  It's directly on the throat and makes for a tighter choke. Although it can, depending on the situation, make it easier for your opponent to escape. And yes, you do take chances for the split second you let go of the guillotine with the arm in to transition to the one with the arm out. It all comes down to timing, precision and positioning.

Mir1_mediumOn the left we see Mir securing the choke and dropping down for the finish. You can see him immediately hook his right leg around behind Kongo's right knee. This is essential for leverage and control of Kongo. Robert Drysdale comments:

Frank was smart and grapevined Congo to prevent him from going anywhere. What that grapevine does is it prevents Congo from freeing his knee and standing which might have given him a way out.

Mir3_mediumOn the right we see Mir adapt to circumstances and move his left foot up onto the cage so he can push off to create a little bit of space. I asked Drysdale if the cage was more of a disadvantage for Mir or Kongo in this situation and also what Kongo could have done to escape the hold:

The fence hurt them both. It prevented Frank from hipping out and adjusting the guillotine, but it also kept Congo from moving to his right (the correct way for him to go). And that's exactly what Congo should have done... gotten rid of that grapevine and rolled over Frank to create a scramble and get out of there. He could have also given top position to Frank. It's not the best escape, but often, when in a guillotine, to give your opponent top position can be a way out.

Mir8_mediumFinally, on the left we see Mir pushing off the cage with his left foot, bridging up to tighten the choke and then plant his left foot flat on the ground so he can continue to really torque the hold. Result: unconsciousness for Kongo.

As always the Judo Chops are a group learning endeavor so please point out any mistakes I've made or alternative approaches the fighters could have used in the comments.

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Isn’t this the same guillotine Dan Miller used against I think it was Rosholt

by IRodC on Dec 23, 2009 12:35 PM EST reply actions  

If memory serves...

Miller did not have a leg hooked.

by beeran on Dec 23, 2009 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

i thought he had one leg hooked, if not rosholt would have been able to move to the side away from the guillotine to relieve the choke.

by TannerMatthews on Dec 23, 2009 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Mir’s use of the cage was great here, using it to bridge like he did, I was instantly telling my friends that it was close to the end there.

I really wanted Kongo to lay Mir out though.

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by Kaleb Kelchner on Dec 23, 2009 12:41 PM EST reply actions  

This is also what I thought. As soon as he did that, I told my buddies it’s over.

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by pud333 on Dec 23, 2009 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Over-Hand Left?

Since Mir throws the punch over his own ear and above his shoulder I would say that it was an over- hand left as a hook is thrown at shoulder level. I am no expert.

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by Warhand on Dec 23, 2009 12:48 PM EST reply actions  

It even seems a little cast-ish to me, the overhand from Sambo.

by asa on Dec 23, 2009 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

i'd almost agree with Warhand

that punch looks like it starts out as a hook, but because of Mir’s positioning, it ends up as almost an overhand. the follow-through, especially, makes it look like an overhand.

by bobthewriter on Dec 23, 2009 12:52 PM EST reply actions  

Be very careful bob.

Agreeing with me is usually not a good idea….lol

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by Warhand on Dec 23, 2009 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Think that is an overhand

Although, come to think of it, I’m not sure what makes an overhand….an overhand. I believe it is designed to come over the top of an opponent’s jab (assuming both fighters are in the same stance). Maybe someone else can elaborate.

by beeran on Dec 23, 2009 12:56 PM EST reply actions  

Thats right....

Overhand indicates that the elbow is above where the punch lands. It has more of a downward trajectory and more of a loop. Whereas the hook comes in, fist even with elbow and shoulder, from a sideways angle.

I might mention too that I noticed that this punch, from a boxers point of view is really sloppy. You will notice in the slo-mo. That his arm is not extended fully, and it lands at the point of the knuckles(as opposed to a flat angle fist)with Mirs wrist partially bent. My feeling is that if Mir ever really learns to punch. He would devastating. Because from that replay the punch should not have generated enough power to put Kongo down.

by SimplePsych on Dec 23, 2009 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Mir’s father runs a Kenpo Karate school so when Mir says he has been training all his life he litterally is telling the truth. He is known for his BJJ but that is something he got into later. I wonder if that background has anything to do with his striking technique?

by who me on Dec 23, 2009 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

i love your chops

this one was done extremely well too.

might wanna fix last sentence of first paragraph though

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by Chris Toffer on Dec 23, 2009 12:56 PM EST reply actions  

It's a "Pacquiao"

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GO Armageddon!!!

by boxingmouse on Dec 23, 2009 1:01 PM EST reply actions  

the judo chop series...

is one of the main reasons i joined this site. Keep it going Kid Nate, i love reading/learning about the more technical aspects! These articles are quality and lets me show people just how much of an artist an MMA fighter truly is.

by rkilla on Dec 23, 2009 1:03 PM EST reply actions  

Excellent stuff as always BE…what about a jude chop showing what someone did wrong to get submitted/end up in a bad position?

by DamnSevern on Dec 23, 2009 1:09 PM EST reply actions  

hahahaha

Even a broken clock is right two times a day.

by Chris Toffer on Dec 23, 2009 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Think you've (judo) chopped a bit of your post out
He clowned Kongo with one big punch standing and then immediately

Meat Feast

by TamF on Dec 23, 2009 1:20 PM EST reply actions  

Best Judo Chop yet Nate

Very well done and put together, I think this one is your best yet. Keep up with these please they are a treat to read.

by ChillMike on Dec 23, 2009 1:22 PM EST reply actions  

Agree

The quote from Drysdale on the specific move is really useful. Of course its also a fairly basic move which makes the explanation clear.

by SES 84 on Dec 23, 2009 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Nate, this was a fantastic chop. The input from Drysdale was awesome. More stuff like this would be great. As for the punch, I’m inclined to think it was an overhand, just from how Mir’s body dropped down like that. Though I am no expert.

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by pud333 on Dec 23, 2009 1:38 PM EST reply actions  

Very nice write up.

by who me on Dec 23, 2009 1:39 PM EST reply actions  

Kongo's Jitz

Nice work on your Judo Chops – love em.

When you watch someone like Nate Diaz submit someone with a (non-guard or standing) guillotine he hooks a leg — as Mir has here — and then uses the other for an overhook on the opponent’s back. The point of that is to prevent the opponent rolling which is a last ditch defence if you’re in serious trouble.

Given the presence of the cage and not being able to crossface Mir and relieve the pressure from the choke, Kongo should have tried to roll forward – without the leg over his back controlling his posture that is sometimes possible even with the hook. However, sometimes a tight guillotine can come on so quick that you’re rendered unconscious while planning effecting your escape.

by The Alabaster Trickster on Dec 23, 2009 1:46 PM EST reply actions  

sorry

no the reason for applying both the hook and the overhook with the legs is to stop the opponent from circling (not rolling). if the opponent circles to the other side he can relieve the pressure and pass the guard.

if your in guard and you have an opponent that wants to roll. you allow him so that you can take mount. you would want a hook for that

by waldog on Dec 23, 2009 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

the hook by franks right leg isnt stopping him from circling—kongo would be circling the wrong way if he went that direction. the leg over the back (which mir was posting on the cage instead) would have been the one to stop the circling.

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by judonerd on Dec 23, 2009 8:23 PM EST up reply actions  

i was wondering how you’d top some of your other excellent judo chop analyses of the past. getting drysdale’s comments was spot on. jon jones’ unorthodox takedowns would make for a great judo chop, esp. his recent apparently effortless takedown/shoulder dislocation osoto gari of a high level wrestler like Matt Hammil

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by theworldsoldestsport on Dec 23, 2009 1:46 PM EST reply actions  

I've done one on Jones' takedowns of Stephan Bonnar

Here
But will need to do an update if he keeps busting out sweet moves like he did against Hamill.

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by Kid Nate on Dec 24, 2009 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Quick editing note....
He clowned Kongo with one big punch standing and then immediately

What’s the rest of this sentence that ends the first paragraph? Feel free to delete this comment as needed or desired..

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by duck on Dec 23, 2009 2:01 PM EST reply actions  

thanks

fixed

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by Kid Nate on Dec 24, 2009 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I remember watching this and being impressed that Mir was able to finish this from half-guard, as leverage is compromised. But hooking Kongo’s leg and having him up against the cage ended up working out for Mir this time, making it difficult for no-jits-havin’ Kongo.

I will also vote “overhand”, although it was something between an overhand and a hook IMHO.

Great job with the Judo Chops. My favorite feature here!

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by kenpoboy67 on Dec 23, 2009 2:23 PM EST reply actions  

There needs to be a separate tab at the top that has all of your Judo Chop articles collected in one spot. Please make this happen. I have a friend just getting into mma and I send him links for all of these. Really helps him understand what’s going on. Hell, I’ve been a fan for years and training for 3.5 and I learn from all of them.

by SplitBreast on Dec 23, 2009 2:59 PM EST reply actions  

a separate tab for features like this is a great idea

in the meantime you can find all the posts in this series using the tag:

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/tags/judo%20chop

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by Trei Brundrett on Dec 23, 2009 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Great Judo Chop by Kid Nate!

Nate,

Thanks for the breakdown on the setup and submission. We should have these in a folder at the top of the website (e.g. An encyclopedia of fight moves) for fans of the website to peruse and learn from.

Yes, that punch that Mir threw was an Overhand Chuck Liddell. :)

The telltale of move by Frank to throw all of his body weight onto Kongo’s upper body during the transition to a “no arm in” guillotine was impressive!

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by JAYGK95 on Dec 23, 2009 4:01 PM EST reply actions  

there is a section on the left hand side

called “Technique” where all of the judo chops are archived. It’s hard to see.

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by Kid Nate on Dec 24, 2009 5:13 PM EST up reply actions  

One of the things that separates Frank from a lot of grapplers

…is that he is REALLY going for the kill. Some of these guys seem to put in a choke or a lock half-heartedly and then slowly tighten up to allow their opponent time to realize that they’re in trouble and tap before getting damaged.

Frank, on the other hand, goes right at it.

That’s why Cheick never got a chance to tap and big Tim got to spend some time in a cast. Brock should really count himself lucky that Frank didn’t do this the first time they met or he wouldn’t be physically able to fight…. Oh, never mine.

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by jemaleddin on Dec 23, 2009 4:50 PM EST reply actions  

That's also one of his weaknesses.

He’s a very offensive minded grappler and often puts himself into danger while he’s seeking a submission. That’s one of the things Lesnar was able to take advantage of to get his beautiful positioning before commencing face-smash.

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by pdl on Dec 23, 2009 5:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I suppose, but

a) I think we all prefer an offensive submission game to a defensive one
b) against most heavyweights, it’s a good strategy

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by jemaleddin on Dec 24, 2009 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

not to be picky nate but..

you should change the title of the article to read just guillotine. it was a standard guillotine .. by adding NO ARM IN just doesnt make sense. your adding three extra words more than are needed to convey your point.

just so you understand.. a normal guilotine is taught exactly like that except from the guard normally instead of half guard.

an arm in guillotine is so infrequently finished because it doesnt have the leverage against the head and neck so instead it relies more on strength.

the only reason why this choke worked was because frank happened to be on the side of the cage that blocked kongo’s safe side.

by waldog on Dec 23, 2009 5:19 PM EST reply actions  

“the only reason why this choke worked was because frank happened to be on the side of the cage that blocked kongo’s safe side.”

No. Kongo displayed absolutely terrible submission defense and was in trouble even before he hit the ground. Most pro MMA fighters who rely on the single leg know to come in at an angle. Kongo went in straight, got put in the guillotine and failed to take advantage of the brief opportunity to move to the correct side to defend the guillotine before or just after they hit the ground.

I give credit to Mir for finishing it, but that success was at least as dependent on Kongo’s failings as it was upon Mir’s successes.

Ribbit.

by Ben Thapa on Dec 23, 2009 10:08 PM EST up reply actions  

good call.. the takedown was a bit sloppy. kongo tries to pull mir towards him instead of just circling with his body.

Nate still needs to change the title of this and the wording for “no arm in guilotine” to just guillotine

by waldog on Dec 24, 2009 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I love the Judo Chops, but I would really love some more “How not to Punch” articles, they were amazing

by StevenGiles on Dec 23, 2009 5:28 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

kudos kid nate..yet another great judo chop…not sure if there has been one but I would love to see a judo chop for a good old fashioned head kick ko…marius Z has been giving a lot of examples

by longevity on Dec 23, 2009 6:45 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

I've done one here

on the phenomenon of wrestlers busting out fight ending high kicks. Here.

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by Kid Nate on Dec 24, 2009 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I would say the punch is definatley an overhand,but because mir is throwing a little wide the punch looks a little bit like a hook. that punch can be very dangerous to throw because if your opponent see’s it coming they just have to step back and to the side to meet your ducking head with a big uppercut . oh and a true hook usually comes from the shoulder and your arm and fist end up horizontal to the ground when the punch is delivered, but there are all kinds of new hybrid punches these days .

by TLAoutlaw on Dec 23, 2009 7:05 PM EST reply actions  

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