Manny Pacquiao vs. Floyd Mayweather Jr in jeopardy:
Negotiations are at an impasse over Pacquiao’s failure to agree to random Olympic-style drug testing, said Leonard Ellerbe, the CEO of Mayweather Promotions, on Tuesday.
Pacquiao trainer Freddie Roach said his fighter is willing to comply with strict drug-testing standards, but Roach won’t allow Pacquiao to have blood drawn 48 hours before the fight.
Ellerbe said he would not let Mayweather enter the ring unless Pacquiao agreed to it.
Both sides agreed that the drug testing issue is the only hurdle preventing the fight from being finished. Earlier Tuesday, Golden Boy Promotions officially requested March 13 from the Nevada State Athletic Commission to host the show.
"As Floyd’s management, we are insistent that there be a level playing field," Ellerbe said. "This is in the best interests of the fighters, the fans and the sport. If you want a level playing field, the best way to do it is to have Olympic-style, random drug testing administered by the premier agency in the world, the [United States Anti-Doping Agency]."
Pacquiao promoter Bob Arum said the demand is "absolutely crazy," done simply to harass Pacquiao, who is squeamish about needles, and is proof that Mayweather doesn’t really want the fight.
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I understand that people can be squeamish about needles, but I really don’t think a blood test could have much impact on a fight (just the act of taking blood, obviously a positive test will have an impact) Cyclists can have blood taken several times over the course of a 3 week race, I think Manny can suck it up and have blood taken the month before the fight.
but Mayweather wants it 48 hours before..
but Roach won’t allow Pacquiao to have blood drawn 48 hours before the fight.
that’s some weird ass demands… Even stuff the commission handles is now negotiated for in boxing? kinda absurd if you ask me.
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 22, 2009 9:38 PM EST up reply actions
No worries, it'll still happen.
Too much money to be made. Floyd and his camp are just playing mind games.
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Floyd is playing games by wanting to make sure he isn’t fighting a guy who is using PED’s? How is that?
by ufc4 on Dec 22, 2009 9:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He’s playing gamees by wanting to have his opponent jabbed with needles a few days before the fight.
Keep firing Assholes!
Fedor has accomplished nothing until he fights Kimbo.
A few days or a few weeks? And he will be under the exact same rules.
by ufc4 on Dec 22, 2009 9:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
48hrs
It would be like if I challenged Anton to a fight, and then stipulated that it had to take place outside in Edmonton in January. Yes, the conditions would be identical for us, but I would have a higher comfort level.
Also, when was the last time anyone had to do a blood test for a boxing match? I would understand if Manny had a history of doping, but this is not the case.
This is highly irregular.
Keep firing Assholes!
Fedor has accomplished nothing until he fights Kimbo.
When was the last time there was this much money involved in a fight? I’m sorry but if Pacquiao is such a tough warrior he should be able to have a little blood drawn.
by ufc4 on Dec 22, 2009 9:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Well Floyd is getting paid the same amount win or lose so all he has to do is show up.
The Mayweather clan aren’t really experts on PEDs anyway, they’re just pulling a dick move to get manny to lose a little sleep before the fight.
Keep firing Assholes!
Fedor has accomplished nothing until he fights Kimbo.
So Floyd is getting the same whether they sell 1 million PPV’s or 3 million.
by ufc4 on Dec 22, 2009 9:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
They have an agreed upon split. If this only sells 1 buy they will get paid equally.
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Fedor has accomplished nothing until he fights Kimbo.
I’m not talking percentages I’m talking cash money.
by ufc4 on Dec 22, 2009 9:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Why? Do you think you could beat me?
WELL YOU JUST AWAKENED THE MONGOLIAN MULCHER!!!! NOW I GOTTA KILL YALL!!!!!
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Fedor has accomplished nothing until he fights Kimbo.
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48 hours.
I think the whole point is that Pacquiao is afraid of needles. Floyd is playing games by messing with his head. I think it’s ridiculous, because two days before shouldn’t really effect the fight, but who knows? It’s irrational, but these things are phobias for a reason.
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Then Pacquiao needs to man the fuck up.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
are you telling one of the best fighters on the planet to grow up and be a man? He’s more of a man than you or I will ever be.
I know a guy that fights for a living, but has an irrational fear of spiders. He’s terrified of them to the point of running away when he sees them. In no way shape or form is he less of a man than me when I don’t have these fears. Not everyone is wired the same. Most peolple in this world have some kind of phobia, some minor some major. If Floyd is doing this on purpose to mess with Pacquiao head, then you should play your “man the fuck up” card because that’s a supreme bitch move on Jr.’s part.
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That;'s not a part of his job, is it?
Does his career require him to deal with spiders once or twice a year?
Needles are something all fighters are going to have to endure soon and for the money he’s being paid, this shouldn’t even be a problem on a monthly basis, let alone a one-off deal.
Mayweather’s only in your head if you let him in.
Needles are something HUMANS are required to endure.
He has months to prepare – to see a shrink or a hypnotist, to work on strategies – hell, he could have blood drawn in his sleep if he likes. This is just a stupid, stupid argument to have.
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Not by weight.
Or volume.
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Jabbed is a strange word in this context...
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If you believe Floyd is willing to let tens of millions of dollars disappear into thin air, then I don’t know what to tell you. He doesn’t call himself “Money” for nothin’.
As far as we know, Manny has never failed a drug test. There is no basis for these claims. This all started because Floyd Sr. spouted off some gibberish about Manny and steroids. It’s merely an attempt to one-up Manny before the fight by trying to garner public support to force him to do something that he doesn’t normally do.
The fight will happen. There will be much, much more chaos between now and then. And when all the dust has settled, Floyd can retire with that zero on his record intact.
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by a tommy point on Dec 22, 2009 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
As far as we knew back in 2006 Barry Bonds had never failed a drug test either. I’m not saying Manny is using but if he doesn’t agree to this it’s gonna make a lot of people very suspicious.
by ufc4 on Dec 22, 2009 9:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If PEDs are the reason for Manny’s success then why aren’t there more boxers like Manny?
Keep firing Assholes!
Fedor has accomplished nothing until he fights Kimbo.
Nobody said that’s the reason which is exactly why he should have no problem proving it.
by ufc4 on Dec 22, 2009 9:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Barry Bonds had a big fat ginormous head and may or may not have been the inspiration for the revamped Hulk character. There was plenty of visual evidence. Using Barry Bonds in steroids arguments should be analogous to breaking Godwin’s Law.
The bottom line is that Floyd isn’t willing to risk having the fight fall apart over something like this. He knows making a fuss about this won’t jeopardize the fight. Rather, it’ll get even more people interested.
This is what Floyd does. He, along with his crew, are a perpetual chaos machine when it comes time to promote a fight. The steroid card is just the latest to be pulled from Floyd’s deck. I’m sure he’ll bust out all of his favorites, including the race card, during the build-up to this fight.
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by a tommy point on Dec 22, 2009 9:36 PM EST up reply actions
I am sorry for feeling this way but I can not help but be a little curious anytime someone doesnt want to take a drug test.
by b2tharad on Dec 22, 2009 9:18 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Floyd demands a blood test, Manny refuses and all of a sudden Manny is a dirty poiding cheater.
Y’all are getting played like pianos.
Keep firing Assholes!
Fedor has accomplished nothing until he fights Kimbo.
Please show me where someone called Manny a cheater.
by ufc4 on Dec 22, 2009 9:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Everyone is “curious” now.
Keep firing Assholes!
Fedor has accomplished nothing until he fights Kimbo.
Because it’s an insult. Why should he have to take orders from Floyd?
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Fedor has accomplished nothing until he fights Kimbo.
Orders? I thought it was reported that it is part of the contract just as if Floyd is over the contracted weight he has to pa.y millions in fine
This is probably sort of how Manny sees it:
You’re at the DMV. The person behind the counter looks at your 5 o’clock shadow and decides that you’re a drunk and you need a brethalyzer to start your car.
The ramblings of the Mayweathers shouldn’t derail this fight.
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Fedor has accomplished nothing until he fights Kimbo.
That’s a bad analogy because the person at teh dmv has nothing to do with you getting your license.
This is a negotiation between two people, and a genius move by Floyd. Either Manny is made uncomfortable by taking the test, or Floyd gets something else they are negotiating over switched to his favor (and it’s out in the open that Manny refused a blood test for the fight).
it’s not like a journalist or a fan saying they want manny to take the test, it’s one of the many things that have to be negotiated to make a boxing match happen.
Well duh, in this day and age when someone refuses better drug testing it’s gonna make everyone suspicious. If they don’t like that they shouldn’t be pro athletes.
by ufc4 on Dec 22, 2009 9:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
We have years of documentary evidence that Manny has never tested positive for PEDs.
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Fedor has accomplished nothing until he fights Kimbo.
why would mayweather do this?
cough up major demands that are absurd, goes way over what’s usual for commissions, and probably won’t happen?
cause win or lose, he’d cast doubt in to Manny’s reputation, like what some people here are starting to do… It also gives Floyd a sure fire excuse, since Manny won’t agree with weird ass demands that floyd suddenly wants, he’d say Manny was doping..
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 22, 2009 9:47 PM EST up reply actions
It’s all gamemanship, and in boxing, gamesmanship and negotiating the fight are parts of the game.
Either manny has to do something he doesn’t want to do and give blood right before the fight, or he has to give something up in negotiations (good for floyd) and take a hit with his reputation.
why not a blood test AFTER the fight?
what’s wrong with that? same results, but phobias and mind games won’t affect anything anymore.
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 22, 2009 9:58 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly.
My guess if that Floyd is still sour about having a 50/50 split of the purse. Thus, we’ll get even more hype and hysteria from Floyd’s camp in an effort to one-up Manny.
However, the primary motivation for all the coming noise will be, as always, to garner more PPV buys.
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by a tommy point on Dec 22, 2009 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
Yea, I’m sure he’s pissed about the split, so this is a made up thing that will probably end with Manny having to do something he’s uncomfortable with.
What that thing is remains to be seen, it could be the needles, it could be the purse split, it could be the gloves, it could be ring size, it could be whatever other nonsense they have to bicker and argue about when they making a boxing match.
Within 30 days
ESPN reports
“According to Golden Boy CEO Richard Schaefer, who is negotiating the deal with Top Rank president Todd duBoef, Pacquiao refuses to have his blood drawn within 30 days of the bout based on his superstition of testing so close to a fight.
“Todd told me that Pacquiao has difficulty with taking blood and doesn’t want to do it so close to the fight,” Schaefer said. “He, Pacquiao, would only agree to have blood drawn before the kick-off press conference and after the fight.”
Pacquiao refuses to have his blood drawn within 30 days of the bout based on his superstition of testing so close to a fight.
What the hell kinda superstition is this?
Who cares? Take the blood after the fight and the result would be identical to a test performed 48 hours before the fight.
Sorry, he Jason Bourned me.
I don’t think it matters whether the test is done 10 days, 2 weeks or a month before. They just want to blood test him. Or Mayweather could be just trying to get into PacMan’s head.
why not urine tests… pac should have no prob with that 48 hrs before a fight… they worry he’s gonna cheat that test?
The sad part is
That fans that are smart enoug know that this is just a negotiating tactic.
But stupid people will think that Pacquiao didn’t wanna do it because he was doping.
If Pac does piss hot, you can call me stupid after.
I just cant see why its a big deal to test.
It makes even less sense now that it is 30 days instead of 48 hrs. I mean come on man. Nobody likes needles but you cant tell me 30 days isnt enough time to get over it. Plus what kind of weird superstition is that? A superstition about testing for drugs?
cause it's over the top and it doesn't usually happen in boxing.
he takes all the drug test the commission wants, then why isn’t it okay? Why would he suddenly agree do Floyd’s weird ass demands all of a sudden?
Plus, he could take the blood test right after the fight, it wouldn’t matter, but Floyd just wants to play games, and try to ruin Manny’s rep.
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 22, 2009 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
Retarded
48 hours prior to the fight? If I recall correctly, Olympians give blood for testing after the event. Not to mention, test results won’t be in prior to the fight.
If anyone cannot see this as an attempt to mess with Pacquiao and are off on a which hunt than raise your hand so I can club you in the head. Here is your hint, PED’s wont be concealed in a post fight test.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Dec 22, 2009 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
Really?
I personally think that fighters should have NO say whatsoever about testing, and anything of that sort. You can negotiate which commision the fight will take place under, but adding stipulations to that is just bull. Commissions are in place to make everything legit.
Now, weather or not this is just a ploy by Mayweather to just stir the pot is up for debate (but it’s kinda obvious whats going on here) and there are legit reasons a fighter could ask this of his opponent.
Theres plenty of just as effective alternatives that could take care of this if concern about PED’s really is the issue.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Dec 22, 2009 10:38 PM EST reply actions
People are too blinded by their retarded Floyd Mayweather rage to recognize the real issue here. Regardless of whether its a ploy by the Mayweather camp or not, there is no good reason for Pacquaio to say no.
Well, there is one…
I disagree wholeheartedly.
There are few things I fear. Death, car accidents, muggings… they don’t bother me mentally. But get me near spiders or needles and I’ll lose it. If there are two doors and one has a guy ready to attack me with a knife and the other is a doctor in a white lab coat who wants to draw some blood, I’ll take the knife fight every time. It’s illogical, but needles freak me right out.
Now if I had a fight coming up, they obviously can’t put it in the contract that my locker room must have at least 1 spider per square yard of floorspace. So what could they do? Say that I need to get blood drawn ahead of time and it will throw my head out of the fight. It’s not a pipe to the kneecap, but it’s a personal disadvantage with no legal or logical basis.
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by pdl on Dec 23, 2009 12:00 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You must realize how unlikely it is for this to be a case of phobia. Even if it were, Pacquiao still has options.
And I strongly disagree with there not being a logical basis for this testing. Why the hell not?
And that logical basis is?
He’s not refusing to take the test, he’s refusing to take the test in a pointless time period. The convention is to perform that type of test after his event, before makes no sense and only interrupts his preparation.
Exactly.
Mayweather is basically saying that the testing that every boxer has ever done before is illegitimate and not good enough, and his camp knows better. The way he wants is also the way that messes with his opponents head. He wants something that goes past the legal requirements and with timing that is useless.
Pacman should concede the point if the contract also states that you must pass a credit check.
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by pdl on Dec 23, 2009 2:12 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Mayweather is basically saying that the testing that every boxer has ever done before is illegitimate and not good enough, and his camp knows better.
Here at BE the discussion has often suggested that current testing is completely hackable and needs blood added to the mix. Do you think this shouldn’t apply to boxing? Is it because you’re never trapped underneath a full- or half-mount?
Plus, that way you might not even need a needle - just a swab.
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Fine by me.
But forcing an extra test that won’t have results in time for the fight and fucks with the opponent is clearly a game. Put it in the contract that the split goes 60/40 in favor of either athlete should the other test positive for PEDs in a post fight blood test. I’ll support that.
But seriously. Credit check.
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I could be wrong here, but the Olympic-style testing doesn’t call testing within 48 hours of the event.. It calls for regular testing up to (within 30 days) and after the fight. Not 2 days before the fight. The actual quote in the article says “as close as 48 hours within the fight”.
But Roach says Manny won’t do any blood testing while he’s in training AT ALL. Only at the press conference and after the fight. I understand not wanting to do it 2 days before the fight? But what’s wrong with a week out? Or 2? Or 3? Surely a compromise can be figured out here.
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Has a system of how they do things. If you mess with the system you mess with the fighter. It’s like a baseball player that has to spit, tip his hat, and scuff his feet before he bats. This is purely psychological warfare.
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by jemaleddin on Dec 23, 2009 7:05 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
those of you who think that mayweather is playing games with pacmans head over needles need to go straight to the highest bridge. the mayweathers believe manny is on ped’s. they more than likely know he is on ped’s. and only a guilty person would say he is afraid of needles that is why he does not want to conform to the strict testing. it is the same doping that they use in the olympics where the most doping used to occur. that is the most full of shit excuse i’ve ever heard. manny will certainly be willing to box with a cut below his eye or a bloody nose but he won’t take a needle before the fight.
This is Floyd bullshit. I mean, okay, sure…it’d be nice if Manny’s camp just said “fine, lets do it” but this isn’t really because Floyd thinks Manny is on anything.
This all started because Manny’s camp wouldn’t agree to all the weird ass stipulations Floyd wanted with the weight. Floyd wanted the contract to allow him to show up multiple pounds overweight (as he did against JMM) and Manny’s camp wouldn’t budge on it. So now Floyd is firing back with this.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 23, 2009 8:44 AM EST reply actions
I don't understand..
Manny’s camp doesn’t want him tested 30 days before the fight because it would throw off his focus.. how would 31 days be any different? Are his training camps only 30 days long?
And someone mentioned that a blood test taken after the fight would be identical to one taken 48 hours before.. Not if someone taking PED’s has gotten the timing of cycles before fights down to a science.
Not saying Manny is taking PED’s, but this whole “squeamish of needles” excuse is horse shit.
Well
people are surmising a possible reason to why he is refusing. What Brent says ↑ is the most likely reason as to why this is going on. Floyd’s camp is making unpresedented and unusal demands, and Manny’s camp is saying no. Just because Floyd says something does not mean Manny has to jump through hoops. The normal testing proceedure is fine and that’s what they should stick with.
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