The Intriguing Debate of MMA's Top Fighters of the Decade
Jonathan Snowden over at Heavy.com put together an interesting list of the top 10 MMA Fighters of the decade, and it has brought about some debate as to who truly deserves to be on the list that encompasses such a lengthy time period. Snowden's picks are as follows:
1. Chuck Liddell
2. Brock Lesnar
3. Matt Hughes
4. Bob Sapp
5. Fedor Emelianenko
6. Tito Ortiz
7. Georges St. Pierre
8. Anderson Silva
9. B.J. Penn
10. Kimbo Slice
The list was created on the basis that these ten fighters are the most responsible for the sport's success pertaining to where it stands today. Obviously a number of these names are legitimate contributors to the where the sport has ascended to from 2000 to 2010, but there are some obvious names missing from the list.
Zach Arnold over at FightOpinion.com makes the case for Kazushi Sakuraba, Mirko "CroCop" Filipovic, Randy Couture, Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira, and Wanderlei Silva, and I'd have to agree with some of his assessments. It's simply astounding that Kazushi Sakuraba isn't high on the list as his 90 minute bout with Royce Gracie took place in 2000.
His case for Nogueira is also very convincing as he was tied to both Sapp and Fedor, and he was a key fighter who was involved in the New Year's Eve rating wars in the television industry in Japan. And both Nogueira and Sakuraba fit heavily into the context of fighters who have helped the sport succeed immensely. Sakuraba is one of the sole fighters responsible for bringing in huge droves of fans in Japan back in 2000.
Check out Snowden's piece at Heavy.com for his explanations on his picks as well as Zach Arnold's additions at FightOpinion.com. Let us know your picks for the fighters of the decade. Would you drop any of these fighters in the context of helping the sport succeed over the last ten years? It's a very interesting question that should bring about a lot of debate among fans.
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I still feel like Saku's impact was late 90's
2000 and you could argue 2001 he was still on point, but after that he was pretty much done.
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The pinnacle was in 2000 in my mind. That 90-minute Royce fight was a huge fight for MMA fans. I think he deserves to be on the list for his contribution to the Japanese MMA scene.
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by Leland Roling on Dec 22, 2009 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
Bob Sapp?
I don’t doubt he brought in a lot of business for K1, Pride, and Dream, but could someone explain a little bit as to why Sapp is top 10?
Nogueira vs. Sapp was a HUGE fight for one. He also holds two of the top three most watched fights to ever air in Japan in his Akebono and Jerome Le Banner fights in K-1. That directly helped MMA as well down the road even though he was in MMA before those fights. He was just huge in Japan.
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by Leland Roling on Dec 22, 2009 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
if ur going impact only then u gotta include Forrest Griffin and Stephan Bonnar at or right near the top
but Fedor is hands down the top fighter of the decade
Yeah, that's my take
If you’re going to do it that way and talk about influence over the sport in the biggest period of its growth, where is Forrest Griffin?
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by Blackout612 on Dec 22, 2009 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
What he said
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by Cory Braiterman on Dec 22, 2009 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
how does someone that fights
5 times in a whole decade even scratch the surface of being in discussion of top fighter of the decade, terrible.
I don't like you Detroit.
Probably because of his drawing power and ratings, which Snowden is correlating to the success of the sport.
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by Leland Roling on Dec 22, 2009 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
drawing power and ratings for 3 yrs versus drawing
power and ratings for 10 yrs? doesn’t make sense
I don't like you Detroit.
You asked… I’m just saying what the thinking probably was.
To be fair, Kimbo was on network though. That’s a completely different ballgame.
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by Leland Roling on Dec 22, 2009 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
if you draw a million fans a few times
but 250,000 views 20 times there is a difference, when you extrapolate this out for a whole decade which shouldn’t qualify either kimbo or brock
I don't like you Detroit.
Who drew a million fans a few times? Kimbo drew over 5 million fans a few times.
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by Leland Roling on Dec 22, 2009 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t have the numbers readily available, but if you add up Kimbo’s draws vs. Anderson Silva’s draws… I’m almost certain Kimbo has more draw over three years than Silva over 10.
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by Leland Roling on Dec 22, 2009 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
He does
Pretty easily, even, but Anderson was never on CBS. I mean, he wouldn’t draw Kimbo ratings, but it’d make this conversation more level.
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by Blackout612 on Dec 22, 2009 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, exactly. I suppose we can’t compare on the same playing field in that regard.
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by Leland Roling on Dec 22, 2009 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
so what you are trying to say is that
kimbo slice has been more influential to mma than kimbo slice. One of the craziest things I think I have ever heard in my life, wow, seriously?
I don't like you Detroit.
That DOES sound crazy
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by Blackout612 on Dec 22, 2009 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
That is crazy…there’s no way id take Kimbo slice over Kimbo slice.
by CliChe Guevara on Dec 22, 2009 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
No, you asked why he could even scratch the surface, and I suggested a thought process as to why. Then we went into a numbers discussion. I never said once that he was more INFLUENTIAL. If you want to put words into people’s mouths once again, you can leave the thread.
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by Leland Roling on Dec 22, 2009 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
It’s more like an ultimatum to stop being stupid in your thought process. I’ve had to do this multiple times in discussions with you. You’d be a great lawyer.
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by Leland Roling on Dec 22, 2009 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
Actually, you have.
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by Leland Roling on Dec 22, 2009 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
Wait...
If this is Karo, then… No, I haven’t.
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by Leland Roling on Dec 22, 2009 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
Is this fight a matter of importance or “Top Fighters”? Because Kimbo and Sapp have no business on a “Top Fighters” list that doesn’t include the likes of Wanderlei (during his blood thirsty reign over Pride FC), Couture (with his constant rise and fall to prominence in dramatic fashion) and Big Nog (with his heart and will to weather serious damage en route to legendary victories).
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The list was created on the basis that these ten fighters are the most responsible for the sport’s success pertaining to where it stands today
Over the past decade, who are the top fighters who have contributed to the sport’s success the most? That’s basically the question. Kimbo was added probably because of his popularity and bringing in new fans, and Sapp was just ridiculously huge in Japan.
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by Leland Roling on Dec 22, 2009 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
I concede that
But then where the hell is Forrest Griffin?
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by Blackout612 on Dec 22, 2009 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
I’m going to assume Snowden is also adding in their skill side as well to the equation, but I really have no idea.
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by Leland Roling on Dec 22, 2009 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
Skill??
Sapp and Kimbo on a list that includes BJ,Fedor,GSP?
Very true.
Although, Sapp’s perceived skill back in the day was high because he beat Hoost twice.
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by Leland Roling on Dec 22, 2009 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
What these guys said ^^^
But yeah, I get it you have nothing to do with this list, so I’m not piling on. When will I get to see your’s? I’m now thinking of compiling one of my own, honestly..
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by Blackout612 on Dec 22, 2009 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe I’ll try to compile a list in a bit… I’d like to see some of the suggestions mentioned before formulating something.
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by Leland Roling on Dec 22, 2009 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
It depends on the philosophy for me, but I’d consolidate importance w/ achievements and include the likes of Wanderlei, Hughes, Big Nog, Fedor, Chuck and Randy.
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by Blackout612 on Dec 22, 2009 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
List list is garbage
if Wandy isn’t on the list. He was the Mike Tyson of the MMA world during his PRIDE run. People were scared of him.
by Riney on Dec 22, 2009 12:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No doubt. Wandy was an absolute terror during his reign over Pride FC.
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by Blackout612 on Dec 22, 2009 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
I am not a Randy fan
but Lesnar over Randy is crazy.
i have no idea how a guy who fights 5 times in one decade
could make this list over randy, silva, crocop, and many more
I don't like you Detroit.
This list isn't consistent
Forrest Griffin did WAAY more for MMA in the decade than Kimbo. Kimbo does draw….but do we get EliteXC on CBS with out Forrest vs. Bonner?
by Myke25 on Dec 22, 2009 12:46 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Very good point.
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by Leland Roling on Dec 22, 2009 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
Fedor high on the list doesn’t make a lot of sense. He was never that big of a draw until November.
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Fedor has accomplished nothing until he fights Kimbo.
To be honest,
if this is about the advancement of MMA, Fedor shouldn’t be on the list. He might be the greatest fighter but Bas Rutten has done more for the sport.
Same with Anderson, honestly
They’re both all-time greats, but have not really advanced the sport or brought in new viewers (on any highly discernable level).
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by Blackout612 on Dec 22, 2009 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
He's still not
But that’s why this list is so wonky— fighting ability, popularity, effect on the sport.. It’s just all over the place.
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by Blackout612 on Dec 22, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
I’d just split it up. One list for pure skill, the other for popularity/effect on the sport.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Dec 22, 2009 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
My List In order of importance
1 Forrest Griffin – Instantly turned me and 20 other guys in my dorm into MMA fans
2 Chuck Liddell – Face of the UFC for a while
3 Tito Ortiz – All time bad guy of MMA
4 Bob Sapp – Biggest thing in Japan mma/combat sports for a while
5 Wanderlei Silva – Face of Pride.. Fighting style made anyone a fan
6 Randy Couture – Captian america…always fighting for a title, always recognizable
7 Big Nog- A mainstay in MMA overseas and in the US, always fighting top fighters
8 Cro-Cop – Another Pride guy who brought his popularity with him to the US..woulda been higher if he hasn’t faded in the later 2000’s
9 Matt Hughes – Besides Chuck, the most dominant, recognizable Champion the UFC had for a long time
10 Brock Lesnar – Has brough MILLIONS of new fans in just a few years…will continue to have a huge impact on the sport if he ever gets back to 100%
by Fedorable on Dec 22, 2009 1:02 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
NO FEDOR??
I’m stunned, Fedorable.
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Honestly...
Fedor is incredibly popular with most die hard fans…and is becoming more popular lately with his increased visibility…BUT, with tons of friends who occasionally watch the UFC, Strikeforce, whatever they can, they know very little about fedor.
I dont think that he really draws new fans to MMA, he is just a great fighter
by Fedorable on Dec 22, 2009 1:08 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
I must rec this.
I respect people who can over look their own personal favorites and use their brains to debate MMA. This site needs more of this.
by Riney on Dec 22, 2009 1:10 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I just thought with your name you'd find a way to justify it
Importance can be construed in many ways.
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I think he draws some fans in, just not a lot. I was mostly drawn to MMA by Fedor and Wanderlei for the most part.
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by Leland Roling on Dec 22, 2009 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, if you’re justifying the inclusion of Sapp because of the numbers he drew, then the likes of Fedor or Anderson shouldn’t be there.
Also surprised at the amount of people who buy into the Griffin-Bonnar folklore, although as I type this someone claims it’s responsible for him getting in to MMA, so maybe I’m underestimating its importance.
Right
Griffin/Bonnar belong on a list with Kimbo and Sapp, but not with Fedor, Hughes, Silva et al.
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ur definetly underestimating it that fight made me a fan along with everyone i watched it with so it might make me biased towards it but i definetly believe it was one of the top moments in mma history
I’d have to agree. That fight drew me in as well, not so much because of how crazy it was but because of how many people watched it and the hype it got. I had JUST gotten cable (yea I know) and people were going crazy so I watched it and that’s what got me started.
by CliChe Guevara on Dec 22, 2009 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
Freaky-Draw Rankings: Skill Independent
1 Forrest/Bonnar
2 BROCKLESNARRRR!!!!
3 Bob Sapp
4 Kimbo Slice
5 Chuck
6 Cro Cop
7 Wandy
8 Nog
9 Randy
10 Hong Man Choi
Keep firing Assholes!
Fedor has accomplished nothing until he fights Kimbo.
Sapp and kimbo? WTF… Heavy.com has no credibility after this. Might as well have cung le on the list
by kanodogg on Dec 22, 2009 1:04 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Chuck & Tito – 1st big MMA feud that soon gets a part 3
Hughes – Absolute dominant Champ who polarizes fans still taoday
Griffin/Bonner – Might be the most important fight in the history of MMA
Wandy- He is the AXE MURDERER see PRIDE run for details.
GSP- 1st true main stream fighter, peoples champ
Cro-Cop- not the UFC version, go watch the PRIDE version. He could sellout an arena all by himslelf.
Akiyama- I might be reaching here, but what he did for Japan/Korea is huge.
The fact that GSP is the first fighter to get deals with Gatorade and Under Armor is HUGE, when it comes to how far along the sport has come.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Dec 22, 2009 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
First Western fighter.
I’m pretty sure Shinya Aoki had Under Armor as a sponsor before him, and Kid Yamamoto has Reebok. There are huge sponsors in JMMA.
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KIMBO
Being on this list is alittle premature for me.
I think that if he can still draw in a few fights, even after he loses one or two in the UFC, then maybe he’ll have the same type of impact as these other guys.
I declare shananagins on that list.
.Mirko? ’mon he invented the head kick finisher..
Wandy…HE the Bleeping Axe Murderer
Randy ..Nuff said This is a great debate topic but the fact that Tito Ortiz is on here makes any list legally retarded
The current basis for this list is a pretty loaded criteria and will likely not lead to any agreements.
A more quantifiable criteria would be better.
Perhaps simply make it the best fighter, which in itself is highly debatable too but closer to finding the best of the decade.
I remember reading an aritcle on Bob Sapp back in 2003 in SPORTS ILLUSTRATED!
Seriously..until maybe 2005-06 i dont think I saw another article about MMA at all. The dude was HUGE in japan, and he could have sold out arena’s fighting anybody at all..
To reject him as important just because he doesn’t have as much skill, or any at all is rediculas
It really depends on perspective, it's probably based on the popularity in the US so I'll go that route since most people here are probably from the US
1. Chuck – The face of the UFC
2. Griffin – Brought in a ton of new fans
3. Tito – The UFCs biggest heel
4. Couture – Captain America
5. GSP – like kyfm621 wrote – Gatorade and Under Armor is HUGE, when it comes to how far along the sport has come.
6. Wanderlei – Hero of the hardcores
7. Sapp – Say what you want about his skill, the guy was extremely popular in japan, and I remember seeing a ton of commercials in the US for K-1 featuring Bob Sapp
8. BROCKLESNARRR! – He also brought a lot of new fans, but his impact has only been for the last couple of years.
9. Hughes – One of the UFCs most dominant champs but has faded in the later part of the decade
10. Crocop – The focus of most MMA highlight videos on the internet
There are apparently two things everyone is debating for what should make up the 10 best list: fighters who had the biggest cultural impact of the sport and best fighters. So here are my two lists:
Top 10 Best of the Decade
1. Fedor Emelianenko – you don’t go 31-1 and reign as the number #1 HW for over 6 years and not get the number one spot.
2. BJ Penn – Not only has he been great, but he’s been great the whole decade.
3. Anderson Silva – Since 2006 he has been arguabily the best fighter in mma.
4. Matt Hughes – was the dominate welterweight for half a decade.
5. Chuck Liddell – best fighter in the best divsion for five years.
6. Wanderlie Silva – 16 straight wins and two public executions of Rampage gets you on the list.
7. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira – simply the second best heavyweight for decade who beat everyone not named Fedor during his prime.
8. Georges St. Pierre – would be higher if he didn’t start his run of dominance in the second half of the decade. If it was the best of half a decade, he might be number 1.
9. Randy Couture – he might not have the best record, or be the best fighter, but he spent the decade fighting the best, and winning a good chunk of the time.
10. Tito Ortiz
Honorable Mention: Mirko Cro Cop, Tito Ortiz, Takanori Gomi, and Dan Henderson
Top 10 fighters with the biggest impact on the sport
1.Tito Ortiz – probably responsible for more people tuning in to watch UFC events in the first 5years of the decade than all other fighters combined.
2.Brock Lesnar – the biggest North American star the sport has seen. He hasn’t done much yet, except draw the biggest ppvs ever.
3.Chuck Liddell – the face of the UFC for the better part of the decade.
4.Kimbo Slice – not much of a fighter, but more people know who he is and want to watch him “fight” than anybody else on this list.
5.Bob Sapp – if you question why he is on this list, you are just unaware of how massive of star he was in Japan. if this wasn’t such an American-centric list he would be number one.
6. Sakaruba – Number two in Japan gets you on the list.
7. Randy Couture – Captain America
8. Gina Carano – not only one of the biggest mma stories of the last few years but she launched a division – womens’ mma.
9. Fedor Emelianenko – hasn’t proven to be a draw, but name another fighter more people have spent arguing over his rankings, discussing who he will fight for next, and whole promotions have been built (and fallen) around his talent.
10. Forest Griffin – the impact of his fight with Bonnar is greater than number 10 on this list, but that was one event and we are ranking the fighters not the fights.
by John Nash on Dec 22, 2009 1:31 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Good stuff man
But I’d shift some things around on list number one, with Hughes and Chuck closer to the top (over AS and BJ).
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I just thought the level BJ has fought over the totality of the decade put him ahead of the other two, who have slown down at the tail end of the aughts, As for Anderson? He has just been amazing.
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He should be on the honorable mentions
Originally I had as an HM, then removed Tito and put Machida at number 10, then put Tito back in at 10 and forgot to put him on HM again.
Unfortunately for Machida he is hurt because I made my list for what fighters accomplished during the totality of the decade, and he was basically fighting in obscurity until recently. He kind of falls into that GSP-second-half category.
And if anyone asks, Shogun got knocked off the list because of his injuries.
Yeah, I agree
Machida was late to the party, but he’s an honorable mention because of how much he’s done these last few years.
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He has been fighting since 2003; he had beaten Franklin and Bonnar before Chuck and Tito ever fought.
Guillotine.
Doesn't matter, honestly
He didn’t have an effect on the worldly MMA picture until these last two-three years.
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Nice post man but the first list is another debate for another time.
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by Lay 'n' Pray on Dec 22, 2009 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
There is no debate
That is the official list of the top 10s of the decade. I’m infallible.
This list: not great
How does Penn rank higher than GSP or Hughes on any best fighter list? He lost to GSP twice and split with Hughes (who is the more accomplished fighter in the overall picture).
The impact on the sport is a bigger mess. Tito was great, but drew nothing in the early Zuffa era until Ken Shamrock’s return. Tito by himself never drew big numbers, which is why he belongs on the list but not at #1.
Sapp drew bigger ratings than Kimbo and drew bigger gates AND starred in nationwide television variety shows. No way he is behind Kimbo.
Couture is a big name inside the MMA community but his PPV shows consistantly underperform. When put on free live television, he barely outperformed the average UFN show. No way he belongs on an “impact” list. Combine his noteriety with his accomplishments and he might warrant a place on a top 10.
Carano has had one main event, an event on Showtime that did well but not great, and may not fight again. She will be a blip at this point on the MMA radar. If she chooses to fight again, it will take some success to help propel her onto this list.
by Jonathan Snowden on Dec 22, 2009 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
This list: perfect
The problem is you want to use “logic” and “reasoning” when determining a list. That is not how I work. It has got to come from deep within your soul. From your very core-being. When you’ve reached that point where you are in touch with your inner Horodecki, we can go over the list.
I considered making an alphabetical list but couldn’t stomach having Andrei Arlovski on it.
by Jonathan Snowden on Dec 22, 2009 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
After a night of drinking and failing to score I am ready for my rebuttal:
How does Penn rank higher than GSP or Hughes on any best fighter list? He lost to GSP twice and split with Hughes (who is the more accomplished fighter in the overall picture).
I believe I provided the answer in my list; “Not only has he been great, but he’s been great the whole decade.”
The same level of excellence cannot be said of Hughes and GSP. Hughes was great, but has obviously taken a step back in the last couple of years, while GSP was not even noticeable until halfway through the decade. In addition, even though he has lost to both fighters, he had also beaten Matt Hughes before and held his own against GSP, which is a feather in BJ’s cap when you consider that he is natural lightweight!
Sapp drew bigger ratings than Kimbo and drew bigger gates AND starred in nationwide television variety shows. No way he is behind Kimbo.
I direct you to my statement immediately following Sapp’s name; “if you question why he is on this list, you are just unaware of how massive of star he was in Japan. if this wasn’t such an American-centric list he would be NUMBER ONE.”
Carano has had one main event, an event on Showtime that did well but not great, and may not fight again. She will be a blip at this point on the MMA radar
Carano’s career is a blip, except or the fact that without her there would be no women’s mma on Showtime or CBS or anywhere outside of some dingy pool hall or in a tub with jello. Cyborg vs, Coenen would be getting little or no coverage, but here it is, a top story on BE, and Sherdog, and HEAVY.COM (nice plug, huh?) and all of that is due to Carano.
Tito was great, but drew nothing in the early Zuffa era until Ken Shamrock’s return. Tito by himself never drew big numbers, which is why he belongs on the list but not at #1.
Tito is where he is because: A) I weighted the list towards accomplishments on the American scene; B) Tito was the face and biggest draw of the UFC for almost the first half of the decade. His fights averaged twice the ppv buys of the other cards during this span, and he was involved in the first fight to past a million buys and the first big Spike fight against Shamrock. For better or worse, he was the biggest star in the UFC when it desperately needed one to stay afloat, so he get the top spot.
As for Captain America? He personally introduced me to mma (true story) and for that he gets a spot on the list.
Too bad I wrote this in vain, since everyone has probably moved on to the next big Strikeforce vs. UFC debate. But even if you don’t get a chance to see it, I want to wish you a happy holidays and let you know that I am a fan of your work.
Even when you are wrong.
This is a good defense of your list. That’s the nice part about these lists: they are really a jumping off point for discussions like this where we can all think about how awesome these guys have all been in the past decade.
And, now I can think about Gina Carano fights in a tub of jello. mmm……jello.
Happy Holidays!
by Jonathan Snowden on Dec 23, 2009 8:51 AM EST up reply actions
It shouldn’t be based on performance.
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by Leland Roling on Dec 22, 2009 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
What has Sakuraba done significant THIS decade in MMA? I don’t mean that in a jerk way…I just do not know. His record is not impressive at all from 2000-2009
He’s paving the way for brain damage research in MMA, that can be useful for the future of the sport.
His record doesn’t matter. Take it OUT of the equation. It’s a list based on contributions to the success of the sport. That Royce vs. Saku fight in 2000 was pretty big on the radar in Japan. Very big. And Sakuraba was the ambassador of MMA in that country.
It’s beyond me how he’s ranked 28th or whatever on the list below.
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by Leland Roling on Dec 22, 2009 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
The top 30 of the decade below
http://mmaplanet.wordpress.com/2009/12/15/to-30-fighters-of-the-decade/

Don’t question the popularity/impact Bob Sapp has had.
Name 1 other fighter that released his own album, starred in national TV commercials, and had an entire league/sport thrown into question about it’s legitimacy all to make him appear more successful.
He did knock the shit out of Hoost(twiiiice), but more importantly he also electrified a nation of millions in Japan and constantly put asses in seats in a 50,000+ attendance venue.
Sapp might long for the fetus position immediately upon contact, but he knows how to entertain and was K1s version of Kimbo Slice, albeit accomplished a lot more.
I don’t even like Sapp but it’s hard to not acknowledge him in combat sports as being a highly successful participant in bringing more attention to kickboxing and mixed martial arts.
I am well aware of Fedor’s success in PRIDE. I think he is the best, but he does not have the commercial appeal yet that Chuck had. Chuck was the face of MMA. He was not the best MMA fighter, but he was the most known MMA fighter and he was pretty darn good.
Fedor has not consistently fought the best and to me it hurts Fedor’s stock as the best of the decade. He was fighting some good guys in PRIDE like Big Nog and Cro Cop, but he also was fighting the Randleman’’s, Fujitia’s, Hong Man Choi’s and Lindlands of the world
My List
With my list I tried to do my best to weigh in-ring accomplishments, influence, and drawing power to determine who the most influential fighters were.
I have another list with Bonnar-Griffin as the fight of the decade. I think that is enough. While the fight was important in kicking things off, the fact remains that neither became a huge drawing card for the UFC. Griffin was in the middle of the pack, but his last show demonstrates that four years after TUF he is not a great box office success. I think that indicates his importance is limited-very important but not top 10 worldwide.
Wanderlei was very close to making it. He was a big star and he wrecked a lot of middling competition. But when it comes down to it he lost to Tito and he lost Chuck. These were his competitors on the list and he drew less money and lost head to head.
Kimbo and Bob Sapp were both culturally transcendent figures in America and Japan respectively. They attracted an audience and people identify them with their sport. How can they not be on? They’re overall impact on ratings and box office overcomes their complete lack of fighting prowess. Brock Lesnar is Kimbo/Sapp with talent and a world title.
Others are the opposite. Fedor and BJ Penn were not great draws, but they were as good as it gets in the cage/ring. They make up their points with greatness. Matt Hughes met in the middle (great fighter, good draw).
Chuck was the whole package.
I love Sakuraba. I just think his one year wasn’t enough for the top 10. Even in that year, his fights were still struggling to match Takada’s numbers. So he didn’t make it. He is one of those strange cases where his career bridges the gap between two decades. Enough is on either side that he might not make the list for either….
Cro Cop, Couture, Nogueira, Wanderlei…hard to leave off. Had they been on, we’d be arguing why one of the other guys didn’t make it!
by Jonathan Snowden on Dec 22, 2009 2:27 PM EST reply actions
Your explanations comes too late
I made a new list that preempts yours.
Great! Where is yours and I will look at it!
by Jonathan Snowden on Dec 22, 2009 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
Just look north at the green-tinted list, my good man.
Strange, I didn’t notice many rec’s for your list.
My list wasn’t in the comments section of a website. My recs also come in the form of $$$ which is what I got paid to write that…..
by Jonathan Snowden on Dec 22, 2009 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
I just spilled Rockstar on my keyboard.
by Jonathan Snowden on Dec 23, 2009 9:00 AM EST up reply actions
Oooh…That’s a burn.
"The path to enlightenment is through suffering"
by RearNakedChoker on Dec 22, 2009 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
Here is my top 10 "don't give a shit about casual fans" list for the decade
1. Fedor
2. Liddell
3. Wanderlei Silva
4. Hughes
5. Nogueira
6. Filipovic
6. Anderson Silva
8. Sakuraba
9. St. Pierre
10. Penn
I am. I think. I will. - Ayn Rand
I raise you…
1-10. Melvin Manhoef
11. Natasha Wicks
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by Leland Roling on Dec 22, 2009 2:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
1021. Chris Horodecki
1022. Ricky Bobby
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by Leland Roling on Dec 22, 2009 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
I've said all along, Leland
Ricky Bobby will be unstoppable once he learns to escape a kimura.
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
Hey Leland,
did you delete a large portion of the comments?
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by RearNakedChoker on Dec 22, 2009 2:42 PM EST reply actions
A large portion was hidden due to the pointless argument of he said, she said.
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by Leland Roling on Dec 22, 2009 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
Damn, It looked like it was just getting exciting. I was trying to get my soap opera on!
Guess I need to get on here earlier. So who won?
"The path to enlightenment is through suffering"
by RearNakedChoker on Dec 22, 2009 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
Batman
Batman always wins.
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
Never mind, I just realized….History is written by the winners.
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by RearNakedChoker on Dec 22, 2009 2:53 PM EST reply actions
Lesnar’s way too high on Snowden’s list. The fact that he arrived to the sport so late in the decade seriously distorts the his significance. He may yet earn that spot but – as phenomenal as his rise to the top has been – he’s not that good. Yet.
by Monday Morning Martial Artist on Dec 22, 2009 3:07 PM EST reply actions
This may be. But he’s drawn more money in the last two years than all but a handful of guys. And he’s won a UFC title. Besides Chuck and Tito, he is really an unprecedented combination of skill and drawing power. And he’s outdone both working with two non-draws (Couture and Mir) instead of guys who carried their own weight promotionally.
by Jonathan Snowden on Dec 22, 2009 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
The only complaint I have is that you didn’t put Sakuraba on the list. Sure, he was huge in the late 90’s, but one of his major fights was against Royce in 2000. And he still garners some interest in Japan despite being lambasted by everyone. I don’t care what the argument against it is… he should be on that list due to his influence on the sport in Japan. Albeit, a late 8-10 pick.
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by Leland Roling on Dec 22, 2009 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
Who would you drop in favor of Sakuraba? I love SAKU, I even have a t-shirt of his from Japan, when that stuff was EXPENSIVE. But he split the decades so evenly that it is hard to place him in either the 90’s or the 00’s.
I agree he should be (and was) a consideration for a list like this. I once had him as high as #5, but at some point it dawned on me he spent 7 years as a punching bag.
by Jonathan Snowden on Dec 22, 2009 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
It’s tough to say as I’ve been mulling over that same question. Either Fedor or Anderson Silva in my mind as their in-ring accomplishments far outweigh their contributions to bringing tons of fans to the sport, but Fedor was influential in the NYE wars in Japan in his bouts with Nogueira. The problem is that you can’t really figure out how many fans actually tuned in for him and Big Nog though.
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by Leland Roling on Dec 22, 2009 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
Im not one to usually hate on some ones opinion, but this is a horrible top 10. Nuff said
by bigc4277 on Dec 22, 2009 3:25 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I am actually finding myself becoming angry at this dudes top 10.
by bigc4277 on Dec 22, 2009 3:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
My list:
1. Liddell
2. Couture
3. Ortiz
4. BJ
5. Lesnar
6. Forrest (not just the Bonner fight, but his book “Got Fight” was important too)
7. Anderson Silva (turned me from a passive fan, to a crazed fan just like Jordan did)
8. GSP
9. Wanderlei
10. Fedor (his legend is bigger than his selling power – but this is changing)

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