Bloody Elbow Judo Chop: Brad Pickett Wins With a Peruvian Necktie at WEC 45
by Kid Nate on Dec 21, 2009 6:51 PM EST
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'm in a bit of a rush so I don't have the time for the fuller discussion I usually prefer to do for a Judo Chop but could't let this sweet move go unremarked.
We last saw a tap out via Peruvian Necktie at Ultimate Fight Night 14: Silva vs Irvin when C.B. Dollaway used it to choke out Jesse Taylor.
It was a very pleasant surprise to see Brad Pickett bust it out against Kyle Dietz at Saturday's WEC 45.
Edgar Garcia came very close to submitting DaMarques Johnson with one at UFC 107 but couldn't do it and Johnson came back to win with a triangle choke submission of his own.
The hold is attributed to Tony DeSouza, best known as B.J. Penn's wrestling coach. DeSouza came to BJJ from a wrestling background which makes me wonder if there's something about the move that is more intuitive for fighters coming to jiu jitsu from wrestling.
Here's a step by step break down of the move from Punch Kick Choke:
The Peruvian Necktie is a combination of a choke and a crank, made famous by Tony DeSouza- it is generally pulled from the starting position of either a sprawl, or as CB did, controlling the side of a turtled opponent. Either way, the move is the same.
-Get head and arm control, almost as if you were going for an anaconda choke.
-After clasping your hands together (palm to palm or gable) stand up while maintaining the hold.
-Important bit-
-The side that you have the hold on the neck on, you're going to be falling away from that side, but you need your leg over his head. So, you make sure your leg on that side is on the outside of his non-trapped arm.-Fall to the side at a slight diagonal angle away from the opponent (once again, fall toward the side with the trapped arm), make sure that outside leg is over his head, and get your inside leg over his back.
-As you pull, there will be an incredible amount of torque on your opponent's neck (so be careful) as well as a choke, so watch for the tap. Actually, because of how the choke is applied, and how it might be hard to tap when caught in the submission, I would suggest not practicing this choke with only two people- you should at least have one other person watching for any signs of trouble.
Animated gif, instructional video and a step by step breakdown of the move in the full entry.
Gif via Fightlinker.
On the right we see Pickett working for an arm-in guillotine choke on a turtled up Dietz. He's got his left arm hooked under Dietz' armpit. Then he steps over Dietz' head with his right leg, drops back and rolls Dietz all the way over onto his back.
The torque and pressure being applied by PIckett are obviously immense by the time Dietz taps out.
Here's an interview with the move's inventor Tony DeSouza from On the Mat, he doesn't talk about the necktie but he does talk about his background in wrestling and how he's applied it to jiu jitsu and MMA:
OTM) What was your back ground in Wrestling?
TDS) I started training wrestling when I was 13. I won various things and beat some tough people, but never turned the corner at nationals.OTM) Tell us about your front headlocks? How did you become so good with head locks and chin whips?
TDS) My style of wrestling has always been unorthodox. That is one of the things that hurt me. I did not wrestle to win, but rather to hurt my opponent. I got inspired to using front headlocks when I was 15. I attended this wrestling clinic by Mark Schultz and started chocking everybody.OTM) So you were choking people in wrestling using Marc Schultz old chokes? Did that ever get you in any trouble?
TDS) By my senior year they made a couple of my holds illegal. I choked a guy out at the div 1 nationals, lost the match but he knew i got the best of him.OTM) What is the Monk Guard? Is that like Telles's guard but no gi?
TDS) Ya, the monk guard is a combination of wrestling and luta livre. I train with Robert Leiton Sr. and he always gets his escapes going to the knees and then bumps with the knee behind the ass. So I took that and got some more variations of that sequence of movements. It works well.OTM) Would you say the monk guard is good for a grappler who doesn't want to hang out flat on his back like a traditional BJJ guy? Ha ha ha
TDS) The monk guard is defiantly a way to get off of your back. Especially if you are fighting MMA, is the worst place you can find yourself in. Too many people know what you will be doing in a closed guard.
Here's a video explaining the move from Submissions 101
Here's a step by step breakdown from Lockflow:
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My first instinct
Is that the front head-and-arm position is REALLY familiar to wrestlers, so you may be right on that.
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I think its a 3/4 stack
The arm positioning from the side is very similar to how you set up a 3/4 stack.
Sure looks that way to me
Even the lap trap looks the same. It’s the other leg over the head I’ve never seen before as a newbie to MMA.
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by duck on Dec 21, 2009 7:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I love this move
It was always something I tried when I used to roll and would always take people by surprise. I love moves like this, hell, anything beyond the “practical” moves we always see in MMA.
Between that and Cung Le’s kicks it was a great night for seeing some unconventional MMA moves applied perfectly to the sport.
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the hang up there
in addition to the time constraints I’m under, I’m not sure if what he was trying to do was viable, have asks out to several grappler but no definitive answer.
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mo' fuckin' STUMP PULLER
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Yeah, inverted triangle to kneebar. Some discussion on the viability of it etc. And gifs, can’t forget the gifs.
Guillotine.
Yeah the reverse triangle to kneebar attempt was pretty entertaining, it was close but that’s a hard thing to finish like that because of the arch you have to put in your back (makes your legs pop open on the triangle).
Also for terminology sake (not a knock, but it helps for discussion and avoids confusion):
A reverse triangle is when the triangle is applied from like back control etc etc where the legs go around the front of the opponent and not the back (i.e. what Cowboy was doing).
An inverted triangle is when the person executing the triangle is inverted on his opponent (i.e. his head is towards the opponents feet) it’s a triangle flipped across the horizontal plane.
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by Patrick Tenney on Dec 22, 2009 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
Nice submission … for a guy fighting in an promotion that isn’t even in the same league as Strikeforce. ;)
see, i thought THIS was the D’ARCE. Somebody needs to settle this.
Incidentally, this move works really well on us ignorant turtle-pulling judo dorks. Thanks for another sweet judo chop—why I come to this site.
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I love the brabo
And I’m seriously considering trying out the Peruvian necktie next time i roll… Hehe
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by funnytiger on Dec 21, 2009 10:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
D'arce is a head and arm choke
but and the only difference is your attacking it either in half guard or someone coming to their knees in side control. (ie on their side)
brabo IS the same move(head and arm).. BUT it is normally landed in side/northsouth with the opponent completely flat. think getting monson’ed but with the arm in
the peruvian neck tie is not anything like the head and arm attacks except there is a arm in the headlock. The necktie puts pressure on the neck with the wrist and pushes the head down hard. exactly like a guillotine choke.
the head and arm choke uses your shoulder muscle for one artery and the opponents arm for the other.
Consider that settled Judonerd.. dont worry tho.. I took a beating in judo class tonight.
and before anyone else asks
an anaconda is a head and arm choke.. that works in synergy with the D’arce.. usually hit in front headlock position.. only diff is that you use the opposite arm to choke and form your arm triangle with the other hand.
D’Arce choke is nothing like the necktie other than the fact that it’ll choke the opponent.
Here’s an easy way to distinguish the D’Arce and the Anaconda (also, D’Arce and Brabo are the same damn thing, just generally distinguished from eachother via position)
D’Arce – Your entering arm goes UNDER their arm and to the side of their head, from there you bicep clasp. (Usually finished via dropping weight down on the close shoulder that you entered under, applying pressure to the carotid.) This choke can be applied from almost any position in jiu jitsu (north south, side control, half guard, full guard, as an inverted counter to guard passes, standing, etc etc).
Anaconda – Your entering arm goes UNDER their head and then you clasp on the outside of their far arm. (Usually finished via gator roll.) This choke is normall applied in a front headlock type of position.
Peruvian Necktie chokes usually end up being half windpipe half blood chokes and involve a little more complication in execution (i.e. swinging the legs, stepping over, sitting down blah blah blah). This is normally applied from the front headlock positioning or if the opponent is incorrectly protecting their neck and body during turtle guard.
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by Patrick Tenney on Dec 22, 2009 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
The necktie entrance arm is similar to the D’Arce by the way, so me saying there’s nothing similar is an exaggeration; they are however completely different in how the hands clasp, what they choke, and how they’re finished.
The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino
by Patrick Tenney on Dec 22, 2009 9:58 AM EST up reply actions
FYI, Nate: that Submissions 101 guy is fairly notorious for passing himself off as an expert despite being a mediocre-at-best grappler and having his videos sometimes feature glaring technical errors. Probably best not to include him in your Judo Chop series.
I should be clear: when I say he’s notorious for this, I mean he is frequently accused of this on the internet, in particular the Atama BJJ forum on mixedmartialarts.com.
Unfortunately I’m not a “pro member” of the UG so I can’t pull up any of the many threads about Ari Bolden (the Submissions 101 guy), but here’s a Sherdog thread that covers much of the same ground (and starts with a quote from an Atama BJJ forum post).
Some BBelts at Gracie Barra have talked about him… they are pretty skeptical of his stuff, tho I think his whole point is quantity not quality.
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Bingo: In fact Ari has some serious mistakes in his videos, his D’Arce execution is terrible for example.
I don’t hate the guy like a lot of other people though, at least he’s putting techniques up there for critique and education.
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by Patrick Tenney on Dec 22, 2009 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
thanks
I watched that vid a couple of times and didn’t see anything truly awful in there. I wanted the video of DeSouza demoing the move but it wouldn’t embed and wasn’t even viewable on the site it lives on. : (
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Great Post
New to posting on BE, but have read for awhile. I do not train MMA, but love learning about the science of the sport and nowhere else does that happen more than with the JUDO CHOPS
Keep em coming!!!
Awesome post, like always
I’ve been curious about this for awhile, but I never remembered to look it up.
Ugh...
I see someone already beat me to it, but it would be awesome if nobody ever posted anything from Submissions 101, especially as a how-to.
Other than that, Jude Chop is generally interesting and the gifs are always great.
if there are specific flaws with the video I posted
please point them out so we can all benefit.
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