Scott Smith: $55,000 (no win bonus)
def. Cung Le via: $150,000
Gilbert Melendez: $55,000 (no win bonus)
def. Josh Thomson: $30,000
Ronaldo "Jacare" Souza: $65,000 (includes $10,000 win bonus)
def. Matt Lindland: $50,000
Muhammed "King Mo" Lawal: $20,000 ($10,000 win bonus)
def. Mike Whitehead: $30,000
Antwain Britt: $10,000 ($5,000 win bonus)
def. Scott Lighty: $5,000
Justin Wilcox: $5,000 (no win bonus)
def. Daisuke Nakamura: $200
Alex Crispim: $4,000 ($2,000 win bonus)
def. A.J. Fonseca: $2,000
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Impressive. They’re paying their fighters quite well, IMO.
"My diet is like Atkins, but with the carbs." - BJ Penn
no way Nakamura only got $200, besides that, it’s right on par with what the UFC pays their preliminary dudes :P
cagar é uma filosofia profunda...
a merda bate na água e a água bate na bunda.
Yup
Like Ishida, and Misaki who got paid a few hundred dollars, Japanese fighters get most of their pay in Japan so the US taxes don’t kill their earnings.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Dec 21, 2009 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
King Mo was also fined 10% of his purse
according to MMA Junkie, because of his post-fight celebration where he sprayed the cage with energy drink.
2 grand for a celebration?
Giving Shogun his props. I had the fight 48-47 Machida but Shogun put up a monumental performance and I am honored to have seen it in person.
That wasn't a celebration..
that was Mo being an idiot trying to kiss his sponsors ass.
by HappyLittleTreez on Dec 21, 2009 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
it was a tribute to Stone Cold
"I’m not going to stop yelling because that would mean, I lost the fight!"-Kenny Powers
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This...
but yeah, the guy in charge of the ring was pissed they had to clean it up…LOL.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Dec 21, 2009 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
in that case
I’m sure his sponsor will reimburse the fee hehe
cagar é uma filosofia profunda...
a merda bate na água e a água bate na bunda.
He was tryin' to get PAID
He is a moneyweight, after all… :)
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
then why’d he only get 20k and mike whitehead got 30?
by Matthew Roth on Dec 21, 2009 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
not cleaning the mat (since they should get a new one each time) but spilling liquids all over the cage is probably an issue for later fights.
Yeah
There wasn’t a bill, but someone had to come and soak up as much of that shit as possible.
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
Seriously?
Did you see how many times he was warned and asked to stop? Countless.
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
Not seriously
I’m sure it was quite rude to the guys who had to fight after wards in one regard – that stuff stinks. On a positive note, it might’ve replaced slipperiness with stickiness.
Probably a typo. $2k is probably the minimum compensation.
Giving Shogun his props. I had the fight 48-47 Machida but Shogun put up a monumental performance and I am honored to have seen it in person.
I assumed this was one of those deals where they only report paying them some small amount, and then pay the rest as an undisclosed bonus. Happens with foreign fighters a lot. I think it’s a tax thing. Same thing happened with Mousasi on their last show.
Correct
Its happened to Misaki and Ishida too.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Dec 21, 2009 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
Big pay increase for Smith? I don’t think his UFC was was close to that. King Mo is under paid, Lindland and Whitehead are overpaid.
Smith had no win bonus, that means he took 2.5 rounds of a beating knowing that if he quit his pay would be the same. That is a warrior in my book.
by Riney on Dec 21, 2009 1:41 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
My guess is that
Mo is on a slow development pace. He talks a great deal of smack (which is smart) but he also plays it very conservative in his choice of opponents and is building his career correctly. Most fighters get to do this in King of the Cage or other smaller shows but Mo has always been on the big stage. Getting small purses to prevent being rushed into big fights prematurely is smart strategy and is what Machida did in the UFC.
The alternative course is what Sokoudjou did — jumping at the biggest possible fights as soon as possible. It worked great for him at first but eventually caught up with him.
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Nakamura at $200 is Right
I believe they gave him the low “official” pay similar to when Ishida fought due to wanting to avoid paying Taxes on his Complete actual purse.
by pRoXiMo on Dec 21, 2009 1:47 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I don’t know about you, but the idea of paying him 200 makes me laugh pretty damned hard. Oh well.
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by Dave Walsh on Dec 21, 2009 1:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Not to mention that a ‘purse’ that small would get any IRS inspector’s attention in about a heartbeat.
by Monday Morning Martial Artist on Dec 21, 2009 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
LOL
All you guys have to do is looks through SF’s foreign fighters pay. Mousasi, Ishida, Misaki, Nakamura, etc. Its very consistent they only get paid a few 100 dollars so the fighters avoid being taxed heavily. No MMA promotion reveals what they actually pay their fighters. There are always locker room bonuses, etc.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Dec 21, 2009 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
so the UFC has locker room bonus and we can now say “the fighters make more cause of the locker room bonuses”? Cause in the past that’s never been valid.
by Matthew Roth on Dec 21, 2009 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
It's true of both promotions
Though, Sup will reflect UFC earnings and act as though they’re static.
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
Again, the argument has to go both ways…either fighters aren’t paid enough in either org or they’re getting bonuses and are doing okay. Sup can’t say well Strikeforce gives backroom bonuses and the UFC doesn’t so these numbers they report are okay.
I took a year and a half of reading this board before posting cause I wanted to make sure I knew who was a shill before getting involved in discussion, that’s why it seems I may target Sup’s posts.
by Matthew Roth on Dec 21, 2009 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
Sup can’t say well Strikeforce gives backroom bonuses and the UFC doesn’t so these numbers they report are okay.
I LOVE your unsupported accusations. Let me know when I said that.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Dec 21, 2009 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
LOL
I took a year and a half of reading this board before posting cause I wanted to make sure I knew who was a shill before getting involved in discussion, that’s why it seems I may target Sup’s posts.
BTW, your 1 1/2 years of research which you use to “target” me is not up to par, definitely not up to BE standards. Step up your game b/c baseless accusations and riding on someone’s wagon aren’t going to cut it. =)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Dec 21, 2009 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
In the year and a half I’ve read this website all I’ve seen are postings from you with positive information about Dream/Strikeforce/Affliction/M-1 and everything you ever post about Zuffa is somehow negative. I don’t have the time or desire to go through all your posts (fanshots/fan posts) to prove this point as this is common knowledge that you love spinning Zuffa into looking like a company who is bound to fail soon.
by Matthew Roth on Dec 21, 2009 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
If you make an accusation, back it up. Simple as that. Your notion that everything I say is a spin because its “common knowledge” around here isn’t good enough. Sorry.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Dec 21, 2009 6:56 PM EST up reply actions
are you really playing dumb that you don’t shill out? and are you really going to insult my intelligence and claim you aren’t anti-zuffa?
by Matthew Roth on Dec 21, 2009 7:13 PM EST up reply actions
Move along. I’ve already discussed this with EVERYONE at BE. Whatever you want to think, its fine with me.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Dec 21, 2009 7:45 PM EST up reply actions
As someone who has gone through all his posts and shown the bias, I agree with Phildo, let it go, it aint worth it.
Guillotine.
honestly, the BE commenters vs. Supremacy stuff is exasperating, no matter who’s right
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
by Anthony Pace on Dec 22, 2009 2:16 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Not really
He gets into various unrelated arguments, but don’t glamorize it as some organized assault.
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
I don’t know how people can get in such arguments with him: he’s openly partisan in support of non-Zuffa promotions; he offers a lot of links an updates to non-zuffa promotions; he never calls anyone an idiot or a simpleton for not agreeing with him. Sure, it’s aggravating that he seems so focused on the UFC’s competetion, but it is what he does. The posters that bug me are: those that pretend they are being objective when obviously they have an agenda to push; those that are rude to differences in opinion.
not saying it's an organized assault
just a phrase i threw out for exigency on a phone. it just always devolves into these vain repetitions that take like fifty comments and always result in “I love all MMA” countered by “I can’t talk to you”
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
by Anthony Pace on Dec 22, 2009 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah Right...
Lesnar, Anderson SIlva, GSP, Penn, Randy, Chuck all get HUGE locker room bonuses.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Dec 21, 2009 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
Your comment makes it seem like all fighters get those. Not just the top fighters.
by Matthew Roth on Dec 21, 2009 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
okay…spelled out for you…did the following fighters receive locker room bonuses:
Justin Wilcox: $5,000 (no win bonus)
def. Daisuke Nakamura: $200
Alex Crispim: $4,000 ($2,000 win bonus)
def. A.J. Fonseca: $2,000
by Matthew Roth on Dec 21, 2009 7:16 PM EST up reply actions
1) The public doesn’t know who gets locker room bonuses because they are not reported anywhere (off the books).
2) We know from Strikeforce’s history (Misaki, Ishida, Nakamura, Gegard, Fedor) that they report low pays to the SAC’s and then they get the rest of their purse through another means, like M-1 – Fedor and Gegard or DREAM – Ishida, Nakamura.
When Mousasi last fought, this was their pay:
Gegard Mousasi ($2,000 – no win bonus) def. Renato Sobral ($75,000)
Do you really think Mousasi ONLY got paid 2k? He was asked this question after the event and he said he got paid much more. I believe the numbers floating around at the time were at least 60-80K.
Some people have win bonuses:
Jay Hieron ($55,000 – $30,000 win bonus)
Fabricio Werdum ($50,000 – $25,000 win bonus)
Some dont (which is all dependent on the contract you signed)
Scott Smith: $55,000 (no win bonus)
Gilbert Melendez: $55,000 (no win bonus)
As a company, Strikeforce doesn’t give FOTN bonuses, KO of the night, or submission of the night, (or at least they don’t announce it to the bublic). If they did, it would be considered a locker room bonus.
It has been said that the UFC hands out locker room bonuses (through Randy Couture) to certain fighters when they are pleased with your performance (these are not KO of the Night, Sub of the Night, or FOTN.)
So, what was your question again?
by MMASuPreMaCy on Dec 21, 2009 7:44 PM EST up reply actions
Other fighters get locker room bonuses that vary in size
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
Yes, though only the big names get the meaningful (big) locker room bonuses.
I am more interested in this whole notion that I thought the UFC’s pay is static? I have actually done posts of fighters getting locker room bonuses before so I don’t see how that is possible.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Dec 21, 2009 7:01 PM EST up reply actions
Where’s the complaints about underpayment of your LW champ or the prelims? People will complain about a 5/5 deal in the ufc but a 2/2 deal in strikeforce is cool?
looks like someone is complaining about it
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by Kid Nate on Dec 21, 2009 1:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Cept I wasn’t complaining, I was pointing out that people would be annoyed if this was the UFC payscale but because it’s strikeforce it’s okay.
by Matthew Roth on Dec 21, 2009 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
Nuthuggin' aint easy
But when people made those comparisons in the past, they get shot down for comparing “Highest levels of the sport” to “just some fun fights.”
Oh, I love that argument cause those same people who say “just some fun fights” also like to point out that Strikeforce will overtake the UFC. Again, I don’t really care. As far as MMA, I like to watch it and I like discussing it but I don’t really think this will change my life one way or another if a fighter isn’t paid more. I understand that this a business and the whole point is to make as much as possible with spending as little as possible.
by Matthew Roth on Dec 21, 2009 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
Fine, people use the same complaint for WEC. And you can’t have it both ways. “We’re gonna overtake the UFC, we got fedor, dan henderson” and then play the “oh noes, we don’t have the money to pay that”
by Matthew Roth on Dec 21, 2009 2:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And who is gonna set that minimum?
The GOVERNMENT? That will go over well with MMA fans…
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THEY TOOK MY JERB!!!
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by Orcus on Dec 21, 2009 3:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
???!!!
Scott Smith: $55,000 (no win bonus)
def. Cung Le via: $150,000
Making the world a better place, one dirtbag at a time.
Only thing I don’t get is the no win bonus for smith…or melendez for that matter.
by Matthew Roth on Dec 21, 2009 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
oh man! where’s my aluminum hat? ITS A CONSPIRACY!!!!
by Matthew Roth on Dec 21, 2009 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
Because if they would have lost, that is guaranteed money?
Lets say you have a 25K show, and 25K to win bonus.
Would you take that or a 50K (no bonus) contract?
This isn’t a trick question BTW.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Dec 21, 2009 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
Scott got close to $50,000 on his last fight, as well. His reps were smart enough to get show money. Probably because he is the type of fighter that is going to always be close to ,500 but is something of a draw. It’s better to get the consistent paycheck when in his position.
aaah so now they don’t give win bonuses they just build them in? REALLY? THAT’S YOUR REASONING?
by Matthew Roth on Dec 21, 2009 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
WTF?
Your sense of reasoning is screwed up. Read nottheface’s comment above, he’s a very knowledgeable poster.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Dec 21, 2009 7:04 PM EST up reply actions
mmalogic take note
this ^ is how you get on my good side.
so the reason he doesn’t have a win bonus is because he is a subpar fighter who loses more?
and what about melendez?
by Matthew Roth on Dec 21, 2009 7:14 PM EST up reply actions
D00d, every fighter signs a different type of contract. Its that so hard to understand? These are not bonuses that they just give out if you had a good fight like a FOTN, etc. These are fight performance bonuses tied to the individual’s contract.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Dec 21, 2009 7:49 PM EST up reply actions
I hate how often I have to defend Sup
but redengine, you’re way off base. Smith may have been offered a 30/30 contract and his management chose to increase show money rather than bank on a win against a better striker/former champ. Lower payoff, lower risk. Pretty simple.
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It also seems to be the method of pay they used with a lot of the fighters signed before the Showtime/CBS deal. Melendez, Shamrock, Cung Le, Smith, and Thomson all seemed to receive flat pays instead of win bonuses, Was probably an incentive to get them to sign with Strikeforce: win or lose we’re going to pay you your full amount.
Whitehead makes 30k to show? Fuuuuuuuuck
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