Strikeforce's Scott Coker Outlines Big Plans Including Fedor Emelianenko vs Fabricio Werdum, Gilbert Melendez vs Shinya Aoki
by Kid Nate on Dec 21, 2009 2:00 PM EST
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In the aftermath of Strikeforce: Evolution, Scott Coker laid out some big plans for next year:
- Fedor Emelianenko vs Fabricio Werdum in April, from MMA Mania:
Fedor Emelianenko (31-1) will likely return to the CBS airwaves in April 2010 when he welcomes a challenge from Fabricio Werdum (13-4-1) in a bout tentatively scheduled for the next installment of "Saturday Night Fights."
- Lightweight champion (and USAT/SBN Consensus MMA Rankings #13 and rising) Gilbert Melendez against the #2 in the world, Shinya Aok and #24 Josh Thomson against #8 Tatsuya Kawajiri, per Josh Gross:
In addition to the Strikeforce lightweight title, a shot at No. 2-ranked Shinya Aoki hung in the balance. Strikeforce CEO Scott Coker will attend "Dynamite!!," Japan's traditional New Year's Eve fights, with the intention of finalizing a deal to with FEG to put Aoki and in the cage against Melendez in the second quarter of 2010. He also hopes to get Thomson back in action against highly regarded Tatsuya Kawajiri.
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Or maybe Thomson will face former EliteXC lightweight champ K.J. Noons in the latter's Strikeforce debut, per Sherdog.
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Jacare Souza will likely get a rematch with Jason "Mayhem" Miller although Jacare is demanding an immediate title shot against Jake Shields, per Fanhouse:
"Jacare" talked about why he thinks he deserves a title shot next, as well as potential rematches against Gegard Mousasi and Jason "Mayhem" Miller.
All in all, a lot of promising fights in the works from Strikeforce.
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I’d much rather watch Jacare crush Jake Shields at his own game than watch Dan Henderson cave his skull in.
Henderson vs Shields would be too painful to watch. It’s always rough watching a fighter get KO’d for the first time.
Why does everyone think Hendo ko's everyone now?
Last time I checked he has ko’d 2 people in the last 4 years and that was Wand and Bisping.
I like Dan I think he is a skilled fighter and he can ko anybody but that doesnt mean he will.
I really wouldnt be surprised to see Dan in a bunch of decision contests in Strikeforce. In his last 9 fights only 3 have not gone the distance the 2 ko’s and the loss to Silva.
Yeah, not everyone spends the whole fight circling towards Dan's power hand...
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
Probably because Jake will get KO’d by Henderson. Either standing or he’ll have his face caved in on the floor.
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by Leland Roling on Dec 21, 2009 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
Jake Shields vs Hendo is guaranteed to end in a knockout not because I believe Dan Henderson is some knockout artist(although he dose pack a serious punch) but because Jake Shileds has no stand-up ability whatsoever and will have no choice but to sant with Hendo Because of Hendo’s wrestling ability. If Palhares couldn’t get him down then Shields won’t either.
Gratz to Werdum on his soon to be #2 ranking. I really really want to see Aoki vs Melendez. I do think Melendez would gets wild and sloppy and Aoki ends the fight with a sub.
I like Mayhem but I think Jacare destroys him, I like Jacare vs Shields more.
Strikeforce need Fedor to fight for the title soon. He is being sold as the greatest MMA fighter alive, but he holds no belt. Strip AO and at least give Fedor the respect of holding the Strikeforce HW title.
He holds the WAMMA belt still
does that count for anything anymore or have people stopped giving a shit about WAMMA.
did people ever give a shit about the WAMMA belt?
by who me on Dec 21, 2009 2:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hah
WAMMA’s logo was all over the cage on CBS but I didn’t hear any of the “this bout has been sanctioned by WAMMA” nonsense for Fedor’s fight. They’ve always seemed like a bunch of fly-by-nighters looking to make a quick buck by “sanctioning” fights that they have no real hand in promoting or paying for themselves. When they started coming up with the idea of doubling the number of weight classes they completely lost me.
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KISS THE RING BITCHES!!!!!!!1
The only thing Jon Jones does better than Matt Hamill is hear.
(And smash faces)
I don’t know, I think if you are in front of it you have to bow down and kiss it. you do know who wear’s it right?
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Do you think Fedor actually wears that god awful thing? It’s either in a box in his bedroom or a pawn shop in Stary Oskol.
wow brow, it was just a joke… not to be taken seriously :P
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the biggest name that comes to mind is Barnett
He lost to Nog in a unanimous decision and beat Yoshida, Monson, Rizzo, and Yvel which I dont think any of those fighters were even top 10 at least not when they fought Josh.
Some others were legit like Arlovski but I dont think Barnett had any business at #2.
Andrei Arlovski was #6 when he left the UFC with Tim Syvlvia, Josh Barnett, Big Nog, Randy Couture, and Fedor ahead of him. By the time he fought Fedor, everyone but Josh had lost, and he jumped ahead of him on the basis of having fought Rothwell and Nelson.
Barnett moved to 3 solely on the fact that Arlovski had lost.
And while most ranking, including BE’s, didn’t go much lower than the top 10 when Josh had his last three fights, Monson, Rizzo, and Yvel are currently #14, #20, & #22.
by John Nash on Dec 21, 2009 2:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I said Arlovski was legit
but getting to the #2 spot without having to take out 1 top 10 opponent is bogus.
Yes Josh fought Yoshida, Monson, Rizzo and Yvel and jumped to the top of the rankings……. Josh beat Randy back in 2002, lost three fights to Cro Cop and split two fights with Big Nog. He really only has a couple of top ten wins in his career and hasn’t fought a top ten guy since he lost to Big Nog in 2006, you have to wonder why he was in the top 5 to start with and moving up from 5 to 2 based on beating Gilbert Yvel just doesn’t make any sense at all(except that they announced he was fighting Fedor). Josh may be a top level fighter but rankings are supposed to be based on accomplishments not hype.
Arlovski and Sylvia’s rankings could be argued to be legit but what arguement is there for Josh Barnett being at number 2?
Um...
Other fighters were losing and/or inactive? Is that not a good enough reason?
by MMASuPreMaCy on Dec 21, 2009 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
Yep. I mean I couldn’t even figure out why Barnett was in the top five(there is a real arguement that he shouldn’t really be in the top ten) and him moving up to 2 made no sense at all. Josh skipped a year of fighting and moved up the ranks and then he jumped from 5 to 2 based on a ugly win vs Gilbert Yvel, even if everyone lost it made no sense to call him the second best heavyweight in the world.
I believe Barnett was #3 when he fought Yvel. In 2008 he fought Monson when ranked #5 and Rizzo when ranked #4 , and had moved up when Nog and Couture lost.
Plus, as ugly as it was, he killed Yvel. BE scored the first round 10-8, the second 10-9, and the third was one on a submission to strikes.
Too bad...
That’s not how rankings work.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Dec 21, 2009 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
Really?
So Brock isn’t #2 because of what he did? Shogun isn’t #2 because he basically fought Machida to a draw?
The only thing Jon Jones does better than Matt Hamill is hear.
(And smash faces)
WTF? Did I say no one earned their rankings? I am talking about how people move up in rankings.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Dec 21, 2009 7:23 PM EST up reply actions
You could make the case for either Rogers or Lesnar over Barnett
In Lesnar’s case he had just beaten 2 top 10 opponents and in Roger’s case he was undefeated and had just beaten a top 10 opponent.
I’m not for getting the #2 spot without even having beaten a top 10 oppoenent sorry.
I’m not saying he really is the number two fighter. Im saying he got to number two the old fashioned way: watching everyone ahead of him lose while he faced competition at least solid enough that he wouldn’t be punished in the rankings.
He was at 5 before the Yvel fight and he jumped from 4 to 2 in the rankings after the Fedor fight came up. He did nothing to jump those spots and he stayed there for months even though he wasn’t even fighting at all. Just because a guy above you loses it doesn’t mean you have accomplished anything (particularly if all you did was fight Gilbert Yvel).
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2009/1/11/716604/bloody-elbow-january-mma-m
Jan 11, 2009, Josh was ranked #3. Affliction II was two weeks later.
Your right he was ranked 4 in the rankings released in Dec of 2008, he went up one because Mir beat Nog (so not because of anything at all he did himself). He was 5 in August of 2008 after he beat Pedro Rizzo and did nothing at all to go up the rankings from 5 to 3 between the Rizzo and Yvel fights, the man was completely inactive and went up 2 spots. He was actually 4 in June of 2008 for some unknown reason and went down a rank for beating Pedro Rizzo (Arlovski went from 6 to 3). So Beating Rizzo loses a rank but beating Yvel makes you the second best heavyweight in the world? Of course as I said there is a real question as to why he was so high ranked to start with, He lost to Cro Cop and Nog and took a year off and was still ranked at 7, he beats Yoshida, Monson, Rizzo and Yvel and he’s at 2……… yea that makes a lot of sense.
It does, we are talking about the HW division here.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Dec 21, 2009 7:24 PM EST up reply actions
Most sites do it... which is stupid.
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by Leland Roling on Dec 21, 2009 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
Jacare vs. Shields, please.
Jacare vs. Mayhem will end in Mayhem getting tool’d on the ground.
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Would it really go any differently than the Mayhem/Jacare fight? Didn’t that one go to a decision? The first fight, obviously, not the “vagina head” one.
I would be a happy man if I never see another five round Jake Shields fight again. Give him Dan Henderson instead – Hendo’s wrestling will easily nullify Shields and keep the fight on the feet.
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Give Fedor the title or have the Werdum/Fedor bout be for the title and then have the winner fight Over(rated)reem.
Have Aoki BATTLE Melendez to a victory, if this happens it will be huge.
Jacare v.s. Shields for the title, then Shields(because he won’t keep his title) rematched with Miller and if Miller beats Jake then have him fight Jacare once and for all for the title.
i just don't get
the strikeforce/ufc hate on this board.
SF puts on fun, compelling fights. the UFC is the unquestioned “major league” — that doesn’t mean SF isn’t still a viable, fun promotion. do they have problems? sure, and a lot of those problems come from their non-exclusive contracts. also, no elbows on the ground is pretty lame. but if things pan out, it’s going to be a year of interesting fights for SF. and that’s good for all of us.
There will always be a org vs org war on the MMA sites, it drives the community and always has. Of course there are also a lot of people who think having serious critical discussions about the business is hate too and that just isn’t the case.
i'm sure you're right
but it seems like discussing which is better, college football or the NFL.
for me, it’s college football all the way. (i live in Tuscaloosa, AL. Roll Tide!) your mileage may vary, though.
i still watch the NFL, but don’t care nearly as much about it. still, both are great products.
i see the UFC/SF debate the same way.
by bobthewriter on Dec 21, 2009 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
The discussions are entertainment in and of themselves. You should never take this stuff too seriously or forget that it’s for entertainment purposes only. If a discussion doesn’t bring you information or entertainment value then it’s not worth the effort to follow. After years of Pride vs UFC this is pretty tame stuff.
LONG LIVE PRIDE FC!
:P
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a merda bate na água e a água bate na bunda.
by Orcus on Dec 21, 2009 3:02 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Pride vs UFC is the internet MMA community’s West Side Story. The more you read the more you expect it to break down into dance fighting at any moment.
by who me on Dec 21, 2009 3:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i always hated Pride
(totally kidding)
but i know what you mean. some of the discussions are pretty interesting, but man … sometimes it’s just obvious trolls. that’s when i gotta quit reading. lol
by bobthewriter on Dec 21, 2009 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
There are nuggets of wisdom to be found even when logic and SuPreMaCy go at it but man it can get thick. Still try the Sherdog forums or the MMAjunkie comments section for a bit and you will think this place is pure heaven.
The thing I like to look for is who is an Zuffa or Strikeforce astroturfer. SuPreMaCy and logic are too obvious, so who is working on the stealth end? I’m saying right now Raker works for Strikeforce.
Whether Strikeforce is successful or not in the future it really sounds like they are going to keep us entertained for a while. Jacare vs Shields could headline a Showtime card, they should just go straight to Mousasi vs Henderson on CBS and really load the card up.
Fedor vs Werdum
Henderson vs Mousasi
Melendez vs Aoki
and open the show with Mayhem vs anyone and you have a hell of a card.
by who me on Dec 21, 2009 2:32 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
finally viable competition to the UFC!?
I think strikeforce are doing great things, looks like Scot Coker
knows what he is doing and maybe we can get super fights =D
long live capitalism!!! but that super fights part is not gonna happen unless one buys the other.
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Hope you like getting North-South choked
because Jeff Monson knows where you live.
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If Melendez beats Aoki, does he get the WAMMA lightweight belt? And all this talk about rankings, they haven’t meant anything in promotions matchmaking as long as I’ve watched MMA. Nobody care’s that Hardy get’s his shot against GSP. He just happens to be in the right place/promotion at the right time. Don’t forget, when it comes to rankings, guys like Jardine, Houston Alexander, Sokodjou, have all made somebodies top ten at one time. Rankings are arbitrary. No matter who is doing them. Even BE.
I am blinded by a sea of green.
"Nobody care’s that Hardy get’s his shot against GSP"
Actually a lot of people are pissed off and are talking about how unworthy Hardy is. Rankings do mean a lot because if you try and sell a fight of a champ vs. a guy that’s not even top 10 people have a field day.
It’s a reason why a lot of people are pissed about Overeem being ranked so high with his last mma win being against James Thompson who lost to Kimbo.
is there a WAMMA LW belt?
one of the laughable things about that piece of crap org was that the only belt they ever had was that they sanctioned titles, but only issued a HW belt, IIRC.
by bobthewriter on Dec 21, 2009 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
They said that Aoki vs Alvarez was for the belt, but Dream wouldn’t let them in the ring to present it, and no mention of it was made.
They say Aoki is the champ on the website, but no one has ever seen the belt, Dream has never mentioned it, I don’t think I’ve ever heard Aoki mention that he is the champ.
Poor Thompson
Loses to Gil and has to fight Crusher next? Ouch..
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Thomson is overrated. Never thought he was anything special, IMO.
by timetosaygoodbye on Dec 21, 2009 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
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