Cung's Missed Throw in Round 2
by judonerd on Dec 20, 2009 5:27 PM EST
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PrintAt 1:35 of the second round, Le attempted a judo technique against Smith and only succeeded in moving Smith around for a few seconds. Mauro Ranallo, in his infinite wisdom, referred to it as "almost a judo-type throw, almost looked like a, uh, maybe an attempt at an uchi mata," pronouncing those last words uncomfortably.
Nope. Nice try. But instead of just yelling at my TV, I thought I could diagram the throw Cung DID attempt—my personal favorite—the Harai Goshi. I've also included an example of the throw done correctly.
Now for a perfectly executed Harai Goshi in MMA, we go to Corey Devela vs. Joe Riggs (you can watch the fight-ending throw in action here.):
Sorry for the tiny type. You can view the larger jpeg here.
The reason Devela succeeds where Le did not is in the fourth frame. Devela's right leg is directly underneath him, and he is able to lift onto his toes, lift Riggs' hips a few inches, and separate Riggs from the ground. Devela is now able to violently spin Riggs in mid-air with very little effort.
If you ever want to see a great Harai in action, watch Nate Diaz. A big part of his game involves a very flashy and effective sequence in which he gives up his back standing, threatens with a kimura, then hits Harai Goshi. He does it all the time, to the point that Joe Stevenson built much of his victory over Diaz on countering this throw sequence.
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Good stuff man.
I’m going to take up Judo and BJJ soon.
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God I love Judo
Trained while I was in college but once I moved back don’t know where a good school is.. And Harai Goshi is my FAVORITE throw.. rec’d
by TennesseeTopTeam on Dec 20, 2009 8:18 PM EST reply actions
great post
Great stuff, love the technical breakdown, thanks!
Is that the same throw Njokuani landed? Seen Cung land it many times before, but maybe he should take some lessons from this youngster.
an uchi mata involves throwing the leg deep into the opponents crotch.
The path to my fixed purpose is laid with iron rails, whereon my soul is grooved to run. Towards thee I roll, thou all-destroying but unconquering BROCKLESNAR; to the last I grapple with thee.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPqF1bZKwVo
The path to my fixed purpose is laid with iron rails, whereon my soul is grooved to run. Towards thee I roll, thou all-destroying but unconquering BROCKLESNAR; to the last I grapple with thee.
technically no. i think that might be an ashi guruma.
The path to my fixed purpose is laid with iron rails, whereon my soul is grooved to run. Towards thee I roll, thou all-destroying but unconquering BROCKLESNAR; to the last I grapple with thee.
an ashi guruma is a blocking/locking of the opponents advancing knee without pulling them onto hips. the harai goshi is a hip-toss version of ashi guruma.
The path to my fixed purpose is laid with iron rails, whereon my soul is grooved to run. Towards thee I roll, thou all-destroying but unconquering BROCKLESNAR; to the last I grapple with thee.
Looks like a wrestling throw to me :)
Of course, they all do to a wrestling coach.
Seriously, underhook with a whizzer and a far-side trip.
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
It’s hard to argue against you. GSP does the same ashi-guruma/whizzer-outside-leg-trip, and the judo guys had to learn wrestling without the gi before they could start doing throws of this type.
Judo and wrestling traded all their secrets 20-50 years ago, so at this point, it’s just labels and competition rules.
The path to my fixed purpose is laid with iron rails, whereon my soul is grooved to run. Towards thee I roll, thou all-destroying but unconquering BROCKLESNAR; to the last I grapple with thee.
by judonerd on Dec 21, 2009 1:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Sorry, they had to learn the no-gi techs before they could do throws of this type IN MMA. The ashi guruma and most of judo existed long before it came in contact with wrestling.
The path to my fixed purpose is laid with iron rails, whereon my soul is grooved to run. Towards thee I roll, thou all-destroying but unconquering BROCKLESNAR; to the last I grapple with thee.
by judonerd on Dec 21, 2009 2:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It may well have, but...
That doesn’t mean wrestlers have heard of it and are copying it. It means they are learning their own variation independent of judo.
That’s a set-up/throw combination lots of higher-level HS kids learn every year, and they aren’t learning it from judo teachers, they’re learning it from wrestling coaches who’ve never stepped foot in a judo practice.
I’ve taught trip-throws for more than a decade as a wrestling coach and I never took a judo lesson in my life, and I’ll sure bet none of my wrestling coaches did, either.
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
for sure
The path to my fixed purpose is laid with iron rails, whereon my soul is grooved to run. Towards thee I roll, thou all-destroying but unconquering BROCKLESNAR; to the last I grapple with thee.
So we do agree after all
It’s a Christmas miracle!
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
Awesome stuff man
I can die happy now that I've been to a UFC event. 107 rocked
by slapjaw ackrite on Dec 20, 2009 8:27 PM EST reply actions
great
thoroughly enjoyed, however they all look like sweeps to me ?_? knowledge fail ?
A throw like that looks like it could easily give someone internal damage to the organs.
for all intents and purposes, just consider all my posts as works of satire.
Well, in riggs case, he already had a back problem. These throws typically hurt and stun you, freeze you up for a few seconds. My old sensei was really good at dirty judo as well, and taught us to fall onto and drop elbows onto their solar plexus during some collar throws like tai otoshi.
Organ damage? I dunno. I suppose if you have no ukemi.
The path to my fixed purpose is laid with iron rails, whereon my soul is grooved to run. Towards thee I roll, thou all-destroying but unconquering BROCKLESNAR; to the last I grapple with thee.
by judonerd on Dec 21, 2009 12:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
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