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Strikeforce: Past, Present, and Future

Dave Meltzer writes a wonder article over at Yahoo detailing how Scott Coker was able to build the Strikeforce brand over the past several years and where they may be heading in 2010. Here is his take on Strikeforce's growing roster, partners and deals they've attained the past year:

... In the past year, Coker has signed television deals with Showtime and CBS, a video game deal with EA Sports, and has signed contracts with fighters ranging from genuine top-level stars like Fedor Emelianenko, Gegard Mousasi, Cris "Cyborg" Santos, Marius Zaromskis and Dan Henderson, as well as potential drawing cards and celebrity fighters like Gina Carano, major pro wrestler Bobby Lashley and NFL legend Herschel Walker. All that means he’s a proverbial bulls-eye to UFC, which counter programs most of Strikeforce’s major events.

"A year ago, we had 15 to 20 guys under contract," said Coker, who promotes his final show of the year Saturday night on Showtime, in the first of what will no doubt be a number of head-to-head battles with UFC owner Zuffa, which has its sister World Extreme Cagefighting promotion running on Versus in a show from Las Vegas that night. "Now we’ve got … as many as 155 athletes under contract. Before we relied on Fedor and Gina, but now we have good fighters in all the weight classes."

 

Meltzer indulges on what fans can expect from Strikeforce in terms of events and a business model for 2010:

And there’s no break in sight. Coker expects to run 20 shows during the next fiscal year (March 1, 2010-February 28, 2011) on Showtime, CBS and pay-per-view, the same number industry-leader UFC ran in 2009. The business models are different. Strikeforce went from live-events based to one whose top priority is television events. The UFC’s goal is to build fights for monthly pay-per-views. Strikeforce is looking at building television fights and if and when the right big fight falls into place (like a potential Emelianenko vs. Alistair Overeem fight) then going to pay-per-view.

 

Cokers plans for Overeem and a co-promoted event with DREAM, giving the fights some mega fights between the two promotions:

If everything goes perfectly, and in MMA, that’s a crap shoot, the idea would be to first get Overeem, a 6-5, 258-pounder who looks like he stepped off the pages of a bodybuilding magazine, onto CBS before putting him in the company’s ultimate heavyweight match on pay-per-view.
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One of Coker’s big goals for 2010 is to have a show televised from Japan with a Dream vs. Strikeforce theme, matching up the best fighters in each organization.
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Still, Coker talks of bringing Dream’s top stars to the U.S., with ideas for fights next year like Nick Diaz vs. Hayato Sakurai, Dream lightweight champion Shinya Aoki against the winner of Saturday’s Josh Thomson vs. Gilbert Melendez match for the Strikeforce lightweight title, a deal he said was "about 90 percent there," or even a legends match with Frank Shamrock vs. Kazushi Sakuraba, which would have been one of the biggest matches possible eight years ago.

 

Meltzer and MMAPayout talk UFC Network Deals past, present, and future after the jump...

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UFC Network Deals: Past, Present, and Future

Earlier this year, we received word that the UFC was very close to signing on with either ABC or ESPN, which would satisfy MMA fan's appetites since they announced possible UFC network deals since 2007.  Dave Meltzer and MMAPayout now give us an update on how talks have ostensibly broken down with between the UFC and ESPN:

The UFC insisted on the non-exclusivity aspect in its new Spike contract, largely to be able to negotiate with ESPN. Talks with ESPN heated up after ESPN officials were blown away by UFC 100 and ordered all of its talk shows to start covering UFC and Brock Lesnar as major figures. At one point the deal was close enough that there was a name for the proposed television show, but it fell apart.

The two major hold-ups in UFC making deals with either a premium station like HBO, or a network like CBS, both of which they had talks with, have been control of the production and financial. The UFC attitude is that they know what type of show the audience wants, and is not going to sign a contract to have people present UFC in a different manner. The second is that even the lowest numbers a UFC show will do on a live American PPV is about 350,000 buys, which generated well over $7 million in revenue, and that’s a Quinton Jackson vs. Keith Jardine level main event. Right now, no network is going to come close to that type of money.

 

Meltzer also analyzesthe recent TV deal the UFC signed with Versus, its original and current purpose, and whether they are positioning themselves for something much bigger in the future:

What makes this deal interesting is that UFC is going on a low-rated station that would not give them added distribution, but are likely getting a strong money offer from a station trying to use the programming to put the station on the map, just as Versus did with the NHL. The entire purchase of WEC and setting it up as a new separate promotion from UFC stemmed from UFC’s original contract with Spike that prohibited UFC from airing on a rival station. When WEC Versus was close to a deal with the IFL, UFC headed off the deal by making the deal and having to create a new promotion because Spike wouldn’t allow them at the time to go on a second network.

 

MMAPayout analyzes Meltzer's points and asks some very interesting questions:

The right deal involving ESPN would mean the UFC gets the support it needs from ESPN’s existing television line-up (PTI, Sportscenter, Around the Horn, etc.), some additional help from MMA Live and Countdown-type shows, and the full use of the ESPN touchpoint network (internet, radio, etc.). That’s what’s most important for the long term.

Then, and only then, is it a matter of securing production control and compromising on the rights fee. The issue of the rights fee is interesting, because exactly as Meltzer points out the UFC doesn’t want to lose out on the typical cut that they’d receive from a PPV. However, you’ve got to question whether this stance is conducive to the long-term health of the sport.

Business is very much about being in the right place, with the right opportunity, and at the right time. MMA may or may not have a limited window of opportunity to strike while the iron is hot and make a lasting impression on a generation of youth that will go on to support the sport for 20-30 years. This begs a set of questions:

1. Does the UFC gamble that the window will remain open for another few years until it can secure enough negotiating leverage to get the perfect deal?

2. Or, does the UFC compromise on the rights fee with the idea of using ESPN as a vehicle to increase its value (and hence, its negotiating leverage) in the future?

 

Again, with the UFC strengthening its ties with Versus, its hoping to benefit from having two network deals and being opportunistic enough to seize a network deal with the latest news of a Comcast/NBC deal:

But Comcast’s impending acquisition of NBC Universal will certainly set off an effort to turn Versus into a viable alternative, if not a full-fledged competitor, to ESPN, The New York Times’s Richard Sandomir writes. Under Comcast’s ownership, Versus has transformed from the Outdoor Life Network to OLN, then, in 2006, into its current incarnation.

 

So, ironically, the UFC would go from nearly being on the coveted ABC/ESPN network, to now positioning themselves to become a main focus point on a network possibly destined to become ESPN's future competitor.  Either way, the WEC and the UFC will suffer in the short-term, after Direct TV dropped Versus from its programming lineup in addition to losing 9 million more viewers due to the expiration of Dish Network's free Versus trial, which expired earlier this month.  They will gladly take these early lumps to hopefully position themselves into becoming a major player in NBC's future sport network.

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Interesting stuff. It seems like the UFC will either be the unofficial 5th (or 6th if you count NASCAR) major sport (football, hoops, hockey, baseball) or be where they are now – fringe sport with a cult following. I hope for the former instead of the latter.

by nochapi on Dec 18, 2009 8:29 PM EST reply actions  

From what I understand, the UFC is being positioned to take advantage of web based distribution in the near future.

Guillotine.

by iiowyn on Dec 18, 2009 9:21 PM EST reply actions  

:-/

I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.

by Loot on Dec 19, 2009 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Scott Coker:


“A year ago, we had 15 to 20 guys under contract…Now we’ve got … as many as 155 athletes under contract.”

by MMASuPreMaCy on Dec 18, 2009 11:07 PM EST reply actions  

He also said that before they relied on Fedor and Gina. How often have those two fought for Strikeforce?

by MMAWrestling on Dec 19, 2009 12:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Once each

And how were they even putting on shows a year ago if they had less than 2 dozen fighters?

The only thing Jon Jones does better than Matt Hamill is hear.
(And smash faces)

by ufc4 on Dec 19, 2009 12:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Exactly. More promoter talk. Why even point that out though?

by MMAWrestling on Dec 19, 2009 12:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Under contract.

One fight deals with free agents, local fighters, and guys under non-exclusive contracts. Still promoter talk, but not incredibly heinous or misleading.

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by pdl on Dec 19, 2009 1:12 AM EST up reply actions  

I’d prefer if someone ripped away production rights to UFC events.

Every fight, "insert fighter name has never trained harder, been in better shape, more dedicated, found their formula of success, are ready to go on a massive run . . . ". After you’ve watched a few PPV this becomes incredibly annoying and an insult of my intelligence. Frank Mir was all those things in his previous fight with Brock Lesnar. How can you sell me the same hype versus the Kongo fight? Tito after the fight said he had cracked skull with continued back issues that lead to half of training session leading up to the fight. I wish it was all gone with “insert honest assessment”.

Than again all that hype crap probably sells much better, hence it’s around.

by bignerd on Dec 19, 2009 12:15 AM EST reply actions  

This confuses me...

I don’t see any more hyperbole in UFC’s production than I do from any major TV network that does their own production for the NFL, MLB, NBA, or NASCAR. They all use the same type of tactics to sell their product no matter who is in control of production.

Just BE.

by mattman73 on Dec 19, 2009 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn’t compare the hype of UFC productions to those other sports. I think they stay rather even keeled on the broadcast of those sports. They also report injuries, issues, etc. My big issue with UFC is every fighter in every fight is in the best shape or pentacle of their skill set and no one is ever suffering from a physical issue. HBO Boxing sometimes gives too honest of an assessment of their fighters, the fight, etc. but I appreciate and have a clearer picture of the upcoming fight.

Phildo has much better point about MMA broadcasts below.

by bignerd on Dec 19, 2009 4:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d prefer if someone ripped away production rights to UFC events.

Letting people who don’t understand the sport handle your production is a bad idea. Look no further than EliteXC’s Showtime debut (fire breathing dragon, the gymkata dance troupe,.and the infamous ‘hits and chicks’ video) or the IFL’s horrendous ‘Battleground’ debut on network TV (SOMEONE IS LEAVING ON A STRETCHER!!! and the death of Wes Sims).

by Steve4192 on Dec 19, 2009 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Because networks always give honest assessments, like Slice-Petruzelli being “the most incredible victory in the history of mixed martial arts.”

by Phildo on Dec 19, 2009 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

That's an excellent point.

I was thinking more of NFL or NBA where the broadcasters aren’t afraid to admit a team sucks, the game is a mismatch, or hey lets just watch to see if anything interesting happens.

But you are right, when CBS was given the chance they over hyped 2nd tier fighters beyond comparison.

by bignerd on Dec 19, 2009 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

But they are anything but “impartial”

Listen to baseball on TV, “red sox, yankees, red sox, yankees, red sox yankees.”

Football, "brett favre brett favre brett favre? no, brett favre? Ah, Brett Favre.

Maybe it would be a little more honest, but they’re still trying to sell a TV show, so I don’t think getting announcers on someone else’s payroll will bring any magic change.

by Phildo on Dec 19, 2009 5:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Fedor vs. Overeem on ppv? Coker can’t be serious that would draw about half the buyrate that the Affliction shows did.

by Raker on Dec 19, 2009 12:43 AM EST reply actions  

Excited
One of Coker’s big goals for 2010 is to have a show televised from Japan with a Dream vs. Strikeforce theme, matching up the best fighters in each organization.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Dec 19, 2009 1:18 AM EST reply actions  

rec’d. good stuff

Even a broken clock is right two times a day.

by Chris Toffer on Dec 19, 2009 2:39 AM EST reply actions  

there is always all this talk about dream/strikeforce alliance and all the potential matches… who exactly has been shared so far?? mayhem?

by dbcb on Dec 19, 2009 9:29 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Really? You must not be paying close attention. Manhoef, Aoki, Zaromskis, Ray Sefo, Overeem, Shaolin, Mach, Kawajiri have all either already fought for Strikeforce, will be fighting for them soon, or rumored to fight for them in 2010.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Dec 19, 2009 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

rumored does not mean fought for. Aoki has never fought in SF. I know it looks promising for these guys to show up in SF but as we seen with pride the Japanise promotions have a habbit of fucking over american promotions. Hope al goes well tho alot of interesting matches to be made

by Riley_96 on Dec 19, 2009 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Ishida too.

"My diet is like Atkins, but with the carbs." - BJ Penn

by Tim Burke on Dec 19, 2009 5:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Correct, Nakamura also. There are quite a few.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Dec 19, 2009 6:11 PM EST up reply actions  

zaromskis vs. diaz in miami in jan!!!! I’m giddy like a school girl!

Even a broken clock is right two times a day.

by Chris Toffer on Dec 19, 2009 8:20 PM EST up reply actions  

The problem is not control OR money. it’s control AND money.

If someone came up with the right price, they would give up control, but it wiould have to be a high number, because giving up control would most likely mean putting an inferior product on TV.

The articles said 7 million revenue is a good estimated floor for a bad PPV, now remember that CBS was paying elite 500k per show, so even if you assume that the offers have gone up significantly I think it’s ok to assume it’s less than 4 million dollars a card. How can anyone expect them to give up over half the revenue to put on an inferior product? Yes, it will get more eyeballs, but how many of them will be converted into paying customers?

network TV would be good, but at what cost? Changing the entire model just “to be on TV” is not a good idea. The idea is to make money, and they’ll jump when they get a network deal that helps them do that. The idea that SF and Elite jumping onto network tv should pressure the UFC to hurry up and get on TV with a shitty deal is just dumb, they’ll go when they get the right deal.

by Phildo on Dec 19, 2009 10:10 AM EST reply actions  

You described exactly why UFC will not be jumping into bed with any Network and why Strikeforce has been provided this window of opportunity.

A quick correction though: CBS was not paying Elite 500k a show. Showtime was paying a fee of 50K (for their version of Challengers) and 500k for bigger shows. The two (Showtime and Elite) had to split broadcast production costs.

For CBS, Elite had some complex time-buy deal. CBS bought 500,000 shares (basically financed them) and then had Elite find buyers for some of the spots while they got to keep some 30-sec spots themselves. So if Elite got 1/2 the spots that is 32 spots for a two-hour broadcast (if they could sell them all). At $100,000 (less now since ad rates have plummeted) a spot they would get $3.2 mil. Minus all their productions costs (and probably a $500,000 fee to CBS) they might have made a slight profit if they could keep their costs down (which they couldn’t.

Which is why I think Strikeforce has a better deal now: they didn’t need the major investment by CBS just to keep operating.

by John Nash on Dec 19, 2009 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

dude, they wont give up control for any dollar amount. i dont think you understand fully how concrete that is for Zuffa. It’’s like Fedor and M1’s co-promotion. theres no negotiating it

Even a broken clock is right two times a day.

by Chris Toffer on Dec 19, 2009 8:21 PM EST up reply actions  

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