New Pictures of Brock Lesnar Surface
by Luke Thomas on Dec 16, 2009 10:39 PM EST
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A representative of the Topps trading card company contacted me to let me know UFC Heavyweight Champion Brock Lesnar showed up to offices in Minnesota to do signings of various products. Above is one image and there are two more below the fold. There isn't a ton to glean from these save that Lesar has added some grizzly facial hair, does not appear gaunt (inasmuch as Lesnar can be), is not showing obvious signs of illness and seems to be in pleasant spirits.
I say this not as a denial of Lesnar's reported condition, but only to hopefully deepen our understanding of present circumstances.
The coat and the seated position Lesnar is in could be masking matters. I am forced to admit this isn't exactly the most helpful angle to make any kind of evaluation. Still, it's worth passing along these photos just the same.
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Calling all Captains.
Keep firing Assholes!
Fedor has accomplished nothing until he fights Kimbo.
by Ubernoober on Dec 16, 2009 10:40 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
This is obviously a posed, “Weekend at Bernie’s” type photo-op. I’m calling it now – he’s dead.
by John Nash on Dec 16, 2009 10:43 PM EST reply actions 12 recs
Zak Woods
Remind me to never quote and link to one of your articles again. All it did was get me pummeled as a mindless UFC-hater.
I'm exaggerating a little
I quoted and posted a link to an article of his awhile ago as an example of another point of view and I got called out for blindly hating the Dana and the UFC. Apparently Mr. Woods has track record with some people.
LOL
It’s not very hard to do, to get that label around here.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Dec 16, 2009 11:28 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
No offense
But I can’t be seen hanging around you. They’ll just beat me up worse next time.
by John Nash on Dec 16, 2009 11:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don’t blame you nor do I encourage anyone else to do so.
=)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Dec 16, 2009 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
Honestly though
who gives a shit whether you’re called that or not?
The kind of people who are gonna hand out those labels aren’t the kind who’s opinions I value. Neither should you my man
Supporting all Las Vegas MMA. Xtreme Couture FTMFW.
'09 is the year of the FW's.
by ElliotMatheny on Dec 17, 2009 1:22 AM EST up reply actions
You must be saying that as a spectator
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
by Blackout612 on Dec 16, 2009 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
I like to just sit back and observe the “crowd”.
P.S.
Kid Nate is getting that label now as well…hahaha.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Dec 16, 2009 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
Meh
People like to pick sides. It’s fashionable.
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
by Blackout612 on Dec 16, 2009 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
wait until I write about M-1 Global again
then I become a Fedor-hater too.
Follow me on Twitter @KidNate
I had an idea for a fan post to discuss what m-1 was actually up to. How, since Vadim and Fedor didn’t have rich casino buddies, they were pigging back off of other promotions so they could broadcast high quality cards for no cost on their end. But, alas, I feared to much for my own personal safety.
And I’m lazy.
that fedor teasing the UFC stage,
had people labeling everyone.. One time i got called a UFC hater and nuthugger on the same day..
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 17, 2009 1:24 AM EST up reply actions
Of course.
Every post yours absolutely reeks of self-loathing UFC nuthuggery. You love Dana White to no end, and hate yourself for it.
by pdl on Dec 17, 2009 1:27 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Okay...
I’m gonna take that as sarcasm…
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 17, 2009 1:53 AM EST up reply actions
ha!
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
by Anthony Pace on Dec 17, 2009 5:32 AM EST up reply actions
I did't even see the Chris Henry story when I posted that
and some reports are saying he’s dead. How sad.
I have yet to see a report claiming that Henry has died.
Bolts from the Blue // "I have got to be the most boring GM in the league." - A.J. Smith
Bloody Elbow // "I win again. Engrish is my bitch." - Steven Zucconi
by Richard Wade on Dec 17, 2009 12:17 AM EST up reply actions
http://www.inquisitr.com/52654/chris-henry-dead/
I don’t think he is actually dead but you know how the internet works.
The only thing Jon Jones does better than Matt Hamill is hear.
(And smash faces)
I meant from like a news source.
Bolts from the Blue // "I have got to be the most boring GM in the league." - A.J. Smith
Bloody Elbow // "I win again. Engrish is my bitch." - Steven Zucconi
by Richard Wade on Dec 17, 2009 12:22 AM EST up reply actions
CHARLOTTE, N.C. — Contrary to published reports, Cincinnati Bengals wide receiver Chris Henry has not been pronounced dead as of 10 p.m. Eastern time Wednesday.
- San Francisco Chronicle
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/abraham/detail??blogid=95&entry_id=53708
When I did a search for Chris Henry with google news the top result was Chris Henry Dead After Car Accident by Vernon Croy Sports (whatever that is).
MEAN SANTA!!!!
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ.
I blog at TangleBones - you should follow me on Twitter here.
HE'S ALIVE!!!!!
You know, we can’t see the back of whatever he’s sitting on, could be a wheelchair…..
The only thing Jon Jones does better than Matt Hamill is hear.
(And smash faces)
by ufc4 on Dec 16, 2009 10:47 PM EST via mobile reply actions
i want that jacket
deathclutch. i’m in vegas now and tito ortiz has a small mma shop at hooters. i think it’s still there. i’ll check tomorrow. hopefully i can get one. you should see all the people wearing b.j. penn shirts that say “the prodigy” on them. forrest griffin and penn are the most popular fighters in nevada by far and probably most of the country
yes i am obsessive, obnoxious, in your face and all about covering the spread. those are my good qualities.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Dec 16, 2009 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
“I headlined UFC 100 and all I got was this stupid jacket”
by casey manrique on Dec 16, 2009 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
...And $3 million dollars
The only thing Jon Jones does better than Matt Hamill is hear.
(And smash faces)
Haha
Tito’s Punishment Athletics store is barely even a hole in the wall in Hooters. BTW, if you’re still in Vegas you should go to the Dan Marino grill, after midnight they have 25 cent wings.
Supporting all Las Vegas MMA. Xtreme Couture FTMFW.
'09 is the year of the FW's.
by ElliotMatheny on Dec 17, 2009 1:27 AM EST up reply actions
Hey Luke
You spelled “BROCKLESNAR!!!!!” wrong.
The only thing Jon Jones does better than Matt Hamill is hear.
(And smash faces)
by ufc4 on Dec 16, 2009 10:48 PM EST via mobile reply actions
his hands are really white
maybe just lighting
yes i am obsessive, obnoxious, in your face and all about covering the spread. those are my good qualities.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Dec 16, 2009 10:52 PM EST reply actions
It's cold here
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
by Blackout612 on Dec 16, 2009 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
okay i get your point and i don't see any gloves.
yes i am obsessive, obnoxious, in your face and all about covering the spread. those are my good qualities.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Dec 16, 2009 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
He's doing a signing
You think we wear jackets in the shower?
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
by Blackout612 on Dec 16, 2009 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
IDK...
How do you Minnesoteans keep warm when you take a shower?
=)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Dec 16, 2009 11:38 PM EST up reply actions
Hot water
If we can get a fire going in the morning.
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
by Blackout612 on Dec 16, 2009 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
You guys have hot water? Damn, I’m impressed. What happens if it runs out?
by MMASuPreMaCy on Dec 16, 2009 11:40 PM EST up reply actions
You guys have fire?
If you’re that advanced, why haven’t you invented the wheel and gotten out of Minnesota?
(Speaking as a man who escaped the U.P.)
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ.
I blog at TangleBones - you should follow me on Twitter here.
It's 10
You’ve still got Minnesota lungs, you can handle it.
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
by Blackout612 on Dec 16, 2009 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
I'm fucked.
It’s been dipping below 40 at night here and I can’t even take that.
Hahaha
On Saturday it got back up to 20 w/the sun out and people were walking around in shorts. I love it..
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
by Blackout612 on Dec 16, 2009 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
There were?
I didn’t see that going on in NE Minneapolis.
Though if they were college kids, that’s not too surprising.
Not in NE
I was at MOA to meet Anderson Silva.
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
Mall of America?
MOA here in the Phil. is Mall of Asia. :)
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 17, 2009 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
Damn - down here, it gets below 60 and we break out the heavy coats.
Though, we have summers of +90 degrees with +90 humidity, so it’s a fair trade.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Dec 17, 2009 4:24 AM EST up reply actions
Here, they have 2-3 "Rainy Seasons" per year,
and that’s about it. 86-94 all year long.
Too hot for me, but everyone else seems to love it.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
We get maaaaad humidity in the Summer
I fucking hate it.
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
The Four Seasons of Minnesota
Six great weeks of Spring
3 unbearably hot and humid months of summer
Six great weeks of Fall
6 months of frigid winter
In the U.P. we had two.
Winter and Road Construction.
(Alternately Winter and Mud.)
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ.
I blog at TangleBones - you should follow me on Twitter here.
Those aren't mosquitos.
They’re the state bird.
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ.
I blog at TangleBones - you should follow me on Twitter here.
You realize that all of those things are also said in MN (Winter/construction, mosquito is the state bird)?
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
Yeah, but they're truer in the U.P.
More snow and all. :-)
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ.
I blog at TangleBones - you should follow me on Twitter here.
(Also, these are exactly the reasons I DON'T live in the U.P.)
(What’s your excuse for staying in MN?)
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ.
I blog at TangleBones - you should follow me on Twitter here.
i was talking about gloves on the way to the office. most people do it that way
maybe the gopher state is different.
yes i am obsessive, obnoxious, in your face and all about covering the spread. those are my good qualities.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Dec 16, 2009 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
hey i live in alaska for a couple of months a year
i’m a man i can take 20 degrees anytime. that is a play on words by mike gundy of okie state about being a man b/c he can take the heat and cold.
yes i am obsessive, obnoxious, in your face and all about covering the spread. those are my good qualities.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Dec 16, 2009 11:30 PM EST up reply actions
Right after this picture was taken, he broke those filing cabinets over his knee and threw them out the window.
"My diet is like Atkins, but with the carbs." - BJ Penn
The actually surrounded him with cinder blocks and then read him Frank Mir quotes.
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
by Blackout612 on Dec 16, 2009 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
^This is what you do
when you can’t start a fire to heat the water, right? Lesnar Utility, Inc.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
The Inevitable
I hate to be a downer here, but Brock Lesnar will never be the same. Not even close. I don’t want to bring up the whole steroids thing, but you have to be Bud Selig to actually look at his physique during WWE and not think he took steroids. I concede that he stopped taking steroids once he starting MMA (as was evident by the change in his physique), but he was able to maintain a lot of his strength from heavy workout schedule.
Now that he has missed 2+ months of heavy workouts, he has lost a lot of muscle mass and quickness – both things he will not be able to bring back to the level they were at before without the use of steroids/HGH/etc.
It’s amazing how many doctors that are also MMA fans this whole Brock situation has brought out of the woodwork.
The only thing Jon Jones does better than Matt Hamill is hear.
(And smash faces)
by ufc4 on Dec 16, 2009 11:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
The Inevitable
I hate to be a downer on your downer, neyvit, but may I see your Phd?
Only Brock, his trainers, and his doctor know how well Brock will recover from this.
You don’t have to be a doctor to know the effects of steroids. Reading capabilities are all that is required. Unless Brock is non-human, I think we can go by past results of steroid use.
Since when do you need a PHD to comment on the obvious?
I've missed a lot the past few days
Brock is human?
I can die happy now that I've been to a UFC event. 107 rocked
by slapjaw ackrite on Dec 16, 2009 11:43 PM EST up reply actions
Only in the loosest sense of the word.
He’s part of the legion known collectively as “Adeptus Astartes,” created in His image and forged to be the living instrument of His will.
They punish the xenos, and the heretic alike.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
by misterjonez on Dec 17, 2009 7:24 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I thought that steroids cause cycles as you go on and off of them. In that case Brock would’ve shown the difference in coming off of steroids. If he was off them for over a year, he will definitely be able to get back to the same shape that he was in. Once the steroids are out of your system, the body should start to go back to it’s normal peak size. That’s why people stay on them and not just do it for a year or a couple months and then just coast off the effect.
And I warn you for arguing with me. I have a PHD in blowing air out of my bum.
Thanks doc
You clearly have no idea how most designer steroids work.
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
by Blackout612 on Dec 16, 2009 11:36 PM EST up reply actions
Please, enlighten me. And I’m not being sarcastic either. How will it be possible for him to get back to the strength he was at – considering he achieved that strength through multiple years of steroid abuse?
You are right, I am no expert on steroids. From my limited knowledge of it, however, I feel my observations are accurate.
I'm not going to humor you
Everything you’re saying is totally uninformed. Use google or something.
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
by Blackout612 on Dec 16, 2009 11:43 PM EST up reply actions
Shrug
Yes, because my fandom of Brock Lesnar changed science.
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
by Blackout612 on Dec 16, 2009 11:56 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
No, your fandom of Brock Lesnar prevents you from having a normal conversation about him.
I don’t love or hate the guy (but I did want him to kill Mir), so I’m not trying to attack the guy on a personal level – I’m just worried that he will never be able to achieve the same level he was at before.
A normal conversation?
You’re providing the abnormal element to this conversation. If I want to learn about something, I don’t walk into a library and yell “manta-rays can fly! Amirite?”
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
by Blackout612 on Dec 17, 2009 12:01 AM EST up reply actions
They can’t?
"My diet is like Atkins, but with the carbs." - BJ Penn
by Tim Burke on Dec 17, 2009 12:14 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
This changes everything.
Bolts from the Blue // "I have got to be the most boring GM in the league." - A.J. Smith
Bloody Elbow // "I win again. Engrish is my bitch." - Steven Zucconi
by Richard Wade on Dec 17, 2009 12:20 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Fine.
Watch Bigger, Stronger, Faster. That will get you started.
Perhaps my best years are gone. When there was a chance of happiness. But I wouldn't want them back. Not with the fire in me now. No, I wouldn't want them back.
by jebushchrist on Dec 16, 2009 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
I think there’s a bill making its way through congress requiring everyone in the country to see that film.
by casey manrique on Dec 17, 2009 12:10 AM EST up reply actions
Yes.
Steroids are so “deadly” that they’re prescribed to make people well.
Seriously, try getting some information from a source other than ESPN.
Perhaps my best years are gone. When there was a chance of happiness. But I wouldn't want them back. Not with the fire in me now. No, I wouldn't want them back.
by jebushchrist on Dec 16, 2009 11:41 PM EST up reply actions
Wait
You mean they weren’t developed to maximize the strength of Russian Super Soldiers for a short window of time, after which they expire and are thrown into the ocean?
I’ve gotta stop watching local news..
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
by Blackout612 on Dec 16, 2009 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
No, that was Rocky IV.
Read a book, bro.
Perhaps my best years are gone. When there was a chance of happiness. But I wouldn't want them back. Not with the fire in me now. No, I wouldn't want them back.
by jebushchrist on Dec 16, 2009 11:46 PM EST up reply actions
What the fuck is a book?
You mean like Kindle?
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
by Blackout612 on Dec 16, 2009 11:48 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, they're great for building fires.
Perhaps my best years are gone. When there was a chance of happiness. But I wouldn't want them back. Not with the fire in me now. No, I wouldn't want them back.
by jebushchrist on Dec 16, 2009 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
Hahaha
That’s what I said when I first heard about it.
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
by Blackout612 on Dec 16, 2009 11:50 PM EST up reply actions
iknorite?!
I bought a book today and I can’t believe I had to turn the pages manually!! WTF
'Ello G'vnor!
Whoever said anything about deadly? I didn’t even mention that it was harmful. I’m not even sure what that comment means.
Sure, steroids have benefits for people that need it. This isn’t an issue over how dangerous/beneficial steroids are. They aren’t allowed in MMA, so this discussion doesn’t even apply.
You're right
This discussion doesn’t apply.
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
by Blackout612 on Dec 16, 2009 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
You don't apply.
Perhaps my best years are gone. When there was a chance of happiness. But I wouldn't want them back. Not with the fire in me now. No, I wouldn't want them back.
by jebushchrist on Dec 16, 2009 11:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
hey neyvit, you brought up some valid points. The people who disagree with you haven’t offered any kind of refute to the specific issues you brought up. That’s usually a sign that your arguement has som merit.
by naturalist on Dec 17, 2009 1:29 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
My hero!
You can’t offer a refute.
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
Lets think of it like this....
1) Brock has NEVER failed a drug test, not saying he hasnt taken steroids, but why is it impossible for a guy to be just freakishly big!?!?
2) If you lose muscle, cant you just get it back over time, i dont think its impossible to do that with a little work, so to say that he is not gana be as big and strong is a stupid statement.
3) The training he has been doing for MMA dosnt only focus on wieght lifting, therefor he is gana look a little smaller and not as ripped as he was in the WWE.
"Everyone has a game plan, untell they get hit." -Mike Tyson
Don’t pro wrestlers work out before going to the ring to appear a lot bigger? That could very well be the reason of the size difference between his WWE days and now.
Idk, but that sounds like a good way to get bigger before a show, never thought of that before.
"Everyone has a game plan, untell they get hit." -Mike Tyson
That's news to me, sounds reasonable.
But it doesn’t totally explain his look in the ring/walking out, given warm-ups and such.
Lesnar does not look like he did in his WWE days. Seeing him in person gave me way more perspective on it than I had before. He isn’t as cut and he carries his bulk much differently. This could be for a few reasons.
- He could have roided for wrestling. Tons of guys do it, wouldn’t be shocking. Now he is either clean or cycling instead of being on full time. No evidence to back any of these claims.
- There’s a huge difference between functional muscle and a bodybuilding look. Pro wrestling takes a good amount of both. Top level MMA requires tons of the first and none of the second. This is pretty indisputable, and a good explanation.
- He’s been sick for the last year apparently. Even though he was functioning well up until a few weeks ago, it could have had a visible effect on his body. More speculative, but reasonable.
plus
NFL and MMA training =/= from lifting weights so you’d look better..
did you see how he trains now? those will work a lot of different muscles compared to lifting weights for the WWE.. Plus, you know, he’s been out of the WWE since 2004, is changing body types from that long ago that different?
(also, most people look at his pictures when he was headlining WWE cards back in 2002-2003)
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 17, 2009 2:01 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly.
That’s what I was trying to say with the second bullet point. He started off wrestling in college, which was mostly functional muscle useful for isometric exercise. Pretty sure he weighed around 280 his senior year, please correct me if I’m wrong. When he joined WWE he started to lift so he would look more aesthetically pleasing/intimidating and conditioned himself to perform powerful anaerobic exercise as pro wrestling requires. In MMA he’s doing tons of cardio work, preparing for extended aerobic periods, and conditioning to switch between isometric and plyometric exercise. Each work out will certainly have tons of overlap, not like there’s ever a point in his life where he wasn’t/wont bench press, but the changing performance needs leads to a new workout plan which leads to a different physique.
Sure he might have done steroids but we have no information to confirm or deny that and I won’t make an accusation against anybody until they fail or specifically duck a test. The explanation above is plausible and based on things we know happened. I’ll take that one, please.
Age can effect the way your body looks as well, especially when you have as much mass as he does. Someone of normal size you wouldn’t notice it but when you’re that big is can be more obvious.
I can’t remember very well but his size when he last competed in college wrestling was pretty close to what he looked like when he first performed for the WWE.
I don’t think there is anything ‘stupid’ about thinking that someone in his 30s that is recovering from a serious health condition (including being hospitalized for an extended period of time) won’t be able to achieve the physical level he was at before.
Is it possible? I am sure it is, but from our limited information it seems like it would be a very difficult task. The reason why I brought up steroids is because that is (allegedly) the way he got so big in the first place.
I really don’t understand the venomous responses I’m getting from what I thought was a commmon sense assumption that it will be very very difficult for Lesnar to achieve the physical peak he had before his medical problems. I sincerely hope he does, but I’m not holding my breath.
Go figure
Now he’s acting like the argument had nothing to do with steroids when that was the basis of his assertion. Maybe he should look up some photos of Lesnar when he wrestled at the U of M..
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
When I was in highschool the wrestling coach had one of those six foot posters of Brock taped to his door. It had him in his U of M wrestling gear and displayed all his body measurements. I wish I could find it online to post here. It introduced me to Lesnar years before the wwe. It just blew me away how much of a freak of nature the guy is.
No, I actually gave the exact reason why I discussed steroids. If you still don’t understand, I can explain it to you again:
Now that he is regularly tested, using steroids (or whatever other banned substance) to speed up the recovery process isn’t really an option. Considering he allegedly used steroids earlier in his career, it will be more difficult for him to regain strength doing it the natural way now. This, coupled with the much more important factor of his health problems, will make it extremely hard for him to get back to where he was.
I’m sorry if you feel I am personally insulting the entire state of Minnesota, but if you don’t actually have something to add to the conversation other than “Go look it up/Everything you say is wrong/Are you a doctor?” then don’t respond. I’m willing to change my opinion if you can explain why you think he will likely return to his ol’ self.
NO EVIDENCE!
Christ man, could you hate someone more for something that was never proven he took?
Do you go on old football blogs and blog about how OJ really did do it because you looked at him back in the day and it was obvious he was into homicide?
This isn’t a criminal courtroom. I do not need evidence beyond a reasonable doubt to form an opinion. Just like I don’t need video proof of Tiger Woods sleeping with all those women to think he cheated on his wife.
But I do understand that there is a possibility he has always been clean, which is why I said allegedly. It is my opinion, and I assume the opinion of many others, that he at one point or another took steroids. You can disagree with that if you want to.
Wanta fight about it??
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
by Anthony Pace on Dec 17, 2009 5:41 AM EST up reply actions
Tiger Woods sleeping with all those women to think he cheated on his wife.
there was reason to believe tiger did, cause numerous women are now claiming he did do it.. If someone goes up and says “hey Lesnar DID roid up! with me! twice! and with that other lady too!” then that’s a whole different story and we can talk or accuse him because there is basis…
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 17, 2009 3:06 AM EST up reply actions
see we can talk about this guy doing roids because some woman said he did roids with her..
now with brock, IT’S ALL SPECULATION…
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 17, 2009 3:12 AM EST up reply actions
If you were a woman...
Would you admit doing roids with that guy?
Damn now im contradicting myself…..
brock never did roids unless it is so proven
What you're trying to say is...
If it took him X amount of effort to build that strength while on steroids, then it will take double, if not more, X amount of effort for him to regain that strength now that steroids are not an option, and that you’re not sure if he’ll be able to do that at this point in his life. IF he took steroids.
That something close?
/Not agreeing or disagreeing
Yes, more or less
But an important factor to add is we still don’t know what the long-term effects are from his health problems. I would assume that would also play a large factor in this.
As someone that has gone through college (and therefore obviously got out of shape), I can attest that it is a lot easier to maintain strength than it is to regain it back. Given that Lesnar has been a beast since pretty much his senior year of high school, I can’t imagine what he is going through after being bed-ridden for a significant period of time.
Of COURSE it is easier to maintain strength than gain it back
BUT it is easier to regain strength and size than put it on in the first place. Neyvit, there is a little friend of mine I would like to introduce you to: Muscle Memory, meet neyvit (Yes Muscle Memory, he has been waiting for you to come find him rather than him going to google to find you). Now you two are acquainted, spend a bit of time together and get to know each other better.
If Brock is healthy, he WILL be back to his old UFC100 self. The only thing standing in the way of that are issues with his health from the diease, nothing at all to do with former steriod use.
'He built his whole reputation as a waffle house chef. They’ve been serving him up ham and eggs with a side of canned tomatoes' - Don Frye on Fedor Emelianenko
by Well Read Idiot on Dec 17, 2009 3:32 AM EST up reply actions
thank you... you can now change your username.
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 17, 2009 3:34 AM EST up reply actions
There are numerous examples
Of former bodybuilders who cannot weight train at all without putting on 6-7 pounds of muscle instantly.
I remember an interview with one who was trying to become an actor due to his shredded physique, but he could only do cardio because any weight training pushed him into the disgustingly big threshold instantly.
And about that username change, ever since I re-watched American Psycho I have been dying to change my name to P.Bateman… haha
'He built his whole reputation as a waffle house chef. They’ve been serving him up ham and eggs with a side of canned tomatoes' - Don Frye on Fedor Emelianenko
by Well Read Idiot on Dec 17, 2009 3:45 AM EST up reply actions
I would settle for D.K.Schrute
'He built his whole reputation as a waffle house chef. They’ve been serving him up ham and eggs with a side of canned tomatoes' - Don Frye on Fedor Emelianenko
by Well Read Idiot on Dec 17, 2009 4:53 AM EST up reply actions
Didn’t watch it. But I will. And if it’s good, it’ll be mine to…
by dancingChicken on Dec 17, 2009 5:00 AM EST up reply actions
Outsmarted!
I threatened physical violence and he disapeared….
completely agree though dont see why he couldnt train hard and come back strong as ever
To apply the ‘muscle memory’ argument to other sports: in baseball, after players stopped taking steroids they never regained that ‘muscle memory’ and continued to hit for power. I can’t think of one example.
Well all of this is speculation, and like you said, will depend the most on his other health problems. We’ll have to wait and see how he looks/performs. I’ll be pleasantly surprised if he does indeed look as good as he did against Mir/Couture.
All in all
Cant you just drop the steriod bull shit until proof is shown otherwise?
I'm not calling him dad, even if theres a fire
neyvit
there is a large difference between how strong you are while juicing and your natural peak strength. Steroids allow you to carry more muscle than your natural testosterone levels can supplement.
Think of it this way: Once you get to a certain point, your body has a road map with regard to how to get there again. The way you reached your maximum size/strength is inconsequential, as your cells are now familiar with the structure and composition that they had when you worked your muscles to their maximum stress levels.
Maintaining an unnatural level certainly requires supplements, however once you come off the juice you will return to the mximum potential you can naturally have (assuming you maximised yourself while on the juice)
Now, Brock was clearly off the steroids for a long period of time and was in fantastic fighting shape at UFC100. Therefore we can assume that this is somewhat close to his natural maximum potential (ignoring the sickness he had at the time)
Baseball players who stop hitting hard are most likely experiencing the post-steroid rut where they are shrinking back to their natural limits (i.e. they were actually juicing at the time they were hitting hard, in contrast to Brock being off the gear at UFC100). Besides, Baseball requires alot of hand-eye coordination and mental clarity, and the mental effect of coming off steroids can be detrimental to that. Size and strength certainly are physical attributes not intangibles.
Please DO SOME RESEARCH YOURSELF we cannot spoon feed you all day.
'He built his whole reputation as a waffle house chef. They’ve been serving him up ham and eggs with a side of canned tomatoes' - Don Frye on Fedor Emelianenko
by Well Read Idiot on Dec 17, 2009 4:00 AM EST up reply actions 8 recs
Baseball players who stop hitting hard are most likely experiencing the post-steroid rut where they are shrinking back to their natural limits (i.e. they were actually juicing at the time they were hitting hard, in contrast to Brock being off the gear at UFC100).
G.G.
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 17, 2009 4:05 AM EST up reply actions
This
Can we get this guy a medal or something?
Christ if it wasnt 3 in the morning everyone else would be agreein with this guy just like me.
Ever seen that documentary about the guy on roids whos arms exploded? dude would have infections on his biceps and he would use dirty ass razor blades to remove them. People on roids arent in touch with reality, and quite often end up depressed and offing themselves.
The above doesnt seem like the constantly training well focused lesnar we have to come to know.
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it's 5pm here, so it's easy for me to agree. haha.
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 17, 2009 4:10 AM EST up reply actions
Get your neighbors on here
Well read idiot is spitting out some quantum shit right here that is makin this dude look a little bit like…
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by II SMASH II on Dec 17, 2009 4:16 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
click actions then click rec.. that should help. :)
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 17, 2009 4:19 AM EST up reply actions
haha thanks Smash
and welcome to BE. Always good to have more poeple who are online during my (Well, Weo’s) time zone!
'He built his whole reputation as a waffle house chef. They’ve been serving him up ham and eggs with a side of canned tomatoes' - Don Frye on Fedor Emelianenko
by Well Read Idiot on Dec 17, 2009 4:28 AM EST up reply actions
I'll comment this late too
when I’m up drunk as shit
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
by Anthony Pace on Dec 17, 2009 5:45 AM EST up reply actions
9.30 am here and im bored at work.
Quiet christmas period in the broking world….
'He built his whole reputation as a waffle house chef. They’ve been serving him up ham and eggs with a side of canned tomatoes' - Don Frye on Fedor Emelianenko
by Well Read Idiot on Dec 17, 2009 4:27 AM EST up reply actions
For the next 3 months
Then it is Madrid, then Warsaw (To beat up Mariusz at training)
I keed I will not be going anywhere near that facility (Also because I do not speak Polish and training would be quite difficult there)
Man I am jealous of your weather right now.
'He built his whole reputation as a waffle house chef. They’ve been serving him up ham and eggs with a side of canned tomatoes' - Don Frye on Fedor Emelianenko
by Well Read Idiot on Dec 17, 2009 4:32 AM EST up reply actions
I usually complain about the heat here,
especially during the summer… but man, i really can’t take snowy weather..
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 17, 2009 4:51 AM EST up reply actions
Honestly man
Im on here so late because i was studying for finals and had this girl over to help… Long story short:We fight a bit, so i take her home, i get back home only to realize that the bitch stole my turtle beach and modded controller for my xbox. (I’m 19, and play hella MW2) You’ll probably only know what im talkin about if your a gamer but yea. Pretty mad right now, then this dude comes in and pulls the same old brocks on steriods shit that just old, and you put the man in his place. Rec’d for necessity
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Turtle beach?
Modern Warfare I played a bit but only PC for FPS. And this was about 1.5yrs ago. Havent played a computer game except for Blast Billiards in ages!
'He built his whole reputation as a waffle house chef. They’ve been serving him up ham and eggs with a side of canned tomatoes' - Don Frye on Fedor Emelianenko
by Well Read Idiot on Dec 17, 2009 4:42 AM EST up reply actions
Its an exspensive headset/mic combo
They are pretty much exactly like those bose noise canceling headphones you see on tv just tuned towards gaming.
Did someone say they are from England?
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by II SMASH II on Dec 17, 2009 4:46 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Not from England
Living in London for the last year (Work)
Huge difference as English people are only abouty 50% of London I would say!
'He built his whole reputation as a waffle house chef. They’ve been serving him up ham and eggs with a side of canned tomatoes' - Don Frye on Fedor Emelianenko
by Well Read Idiot on Dec 17, 2009 4:49 AM EST up reply actions
wonder if you can help then
Just watched shaun of the dead again last weekend and I’m wonderin what the hell a corneto(sp?)is
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by II SMASH II on Dec 17, 2009 4:52 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
hahaha
Haven’t seen the movie in awhile, but a Cornetto is an ice-cream drumstick (i.e. it has a cone and everything underneath the wrapping). It probably has some sort of slang meaning I am unaware of though…
British slang is quite amusing.
'He built his whole reputation as a waffle house chef. They’ve been serving him up ham and eggs with a side of canned tomatoes' - Don Frye on Fedor Emelianenko
by Well Read Idiot on Dec 17, 2009 4:55 AM EST up reply actions
thanks man
been wondering what the hell that is since I watched it way back in the day. But the lack of people from the UK in Kansas was making it difficult
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by II SMASH II on Dec 17, 2009 5:02 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
ice cream..
it’s also being sold here in the Philippines, cheap too..
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 17, 2009 5:03 AM EST up reply actions
curiosity
What is the brand that makes Cornetto there?
In Australia it is ‘Streets’, in UK it is ‘Walls’ . In Spain it is something different again, all with the same symbol. Kinda strange
'He built his whole reputation as a waffle house chef. They’ve been serving him up ham and eggs with a side of canned tomatoes' - Don Frye on Fedor Emelianenko
by Well Read Idiot on Dec 17, 2009 5:06 AM EST up reply actions
im bored, so
i researched on wikipedia.. turns out, the Philippine company that bought the original company is the one that sold it around the world.
Cornetto is a branded frozen ice cream cone, manufactured by Unilever and marketed throughout the world under various different company names, but with the same Heartbrand logo.
Spica registered the name Cornetto in 1960. Initial sales were poor, but in 1976 Unilever bought out Spica and began a mass-marketing campaign throughout Europe.
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 17, 2009 5:10 AM EST up reply actions
oh wait..
Unilever isn’t Filipino… haha. But yeah, Unilever is the one that sells it here..
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 17, 2009 5:11 AM EST up reply actions
You mean it is advertised
As ‘Unilever Corentto’
A little odd. Because in Oz the boxes of them would say Unilever was the owner, but Streets was the brand name (I guess Like Coca Cola and Sprite if you follow)
'He built his whole reputation as a waffle house chef. They’ve been serving him up ham and eggs with a side of canned tomatoes' - Don Frye on Fedor Emelianenko
by Well Read Idiot on Dec 17, 2009 5:15 AM EST up reply actions
oh wait..
just Cornetto? come to think of it.. I’m not so sure… Selecta maybe?
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 17, 2009 6:11 AM EST up reply actions
yup,
Selecta Cornetto.. Unilever Cornetto did sound silly. haha. sorry bout that..
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 17, 2009 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
I feel stupid
7 seconds on wiki and this dude knows the history and everything. I been sittin around for years like “the only way ill ever find out what a cornetto is is if I ask someone living there.” Def time for bed.
Dueces
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by II SMASH II on Dec 17, 2009 5:14 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
You’d think they’d be here then. Most americans have no problem with cheap junk food. Don’t hate though lol
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by II SMASH II on Dec 17, 2009 5:06 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Also
I’m not sure whether the chick nicking your Modded control makes her Ubercool or a total biatch, hahaha!
'He built his whole reputation as a waffle house chef. They’ve been serving him up ham and eggs with a side of canned tomatoes' - Don Frye on Fedor Emelianenko
by Well Read Idiot on Dec 17, 2009 4:43 AM EST up reply actions
The second one, I spent $100 on that thing
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by II SMASH II on Dec 17, 2009 4:50 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Your support and care through this extremely rough and life changing experience is noted. Maybe I can start a paypal account so people can make donations to get me new ones, going to need assitance from you guys on the BE staff to get the word out there though…
Thanks for the idea war machine!
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by II SMASH II on Dec 17, 2009 4:59 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
maybe the jacket is appropriate. deathclutch.
yes i am obsessive, obnoxious, in your face and all about covering the spread. those are my good qualities.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Dec 16, 2009 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah bad angle, you can’t see the wheelchair below the table.
Not that I condone facism or any ism for that matter. Isms are in my opinion, not good. A person shouldn't believe in an ism, he should believe in himself.
I quote John Lennon, "I don't believe in Beatles, I just believe in me". Good point there, after all he was the walrus. I could be the walrus. Wouldn't change the fact I have to bum rides off of people.
So THAT'S why he's losing weight
Another fighter retiring to act. What a shame..
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
by Blackout612 on Dec 17, 2009 12:10 AM EST up reply actions
Kind of looks like he’s scratching off lottery tickets.
Anyone who pays for one of those cards should feel really special—like they have a deep emotional connection with BROCKLESNAR!!!!!
There’s 25 on each sheet, ha ha suckaaaaz!!!
by casey manrique on Dec 17, 2009 12:16 AM EST up reply actions
Elite level athletes take months off traning all the time
Injuries, offseason breaks, it happens in major sports every year. It’s entirely possible that his disease will prevent him from ever getting back to where he was, sure. But athletes have been layed up far longer than Brock Lesnar and not lost a drop of athleticism. To say the time off make’s it impossible to come back the athlete he was before is just naive.
These photos definitely show that he isn’t emaciated, and that his weight has held up to a reasonable point. The facial hair is sad though. That’s the classic “Trying to get more respect so that I’m not bullied as much” Goatee, and I’m pretty sure that Brock doesn’t deal with that stuff.
I just drank a glass of my own urine
Is he back to normal yet??
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
by Blackout612 on Dec 17, 2009 2:20 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
idk…. its all up to the all seeing and all knowing man we call dana white. id hit him up on my cell but uhhh yea, i lost his number….. and brocks privacy is his number one interest
Well somebody tweet him or something
because I followed Blackout’s example and I’m not sure I’ve ever been thirsty enough for that to have been a genuinely good idea.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
Weightwatchers anyone?
That last photo looks like one of those weight loss ads where they hold out their old pair of jeans and say ‘I used to wear THIS! Now, I fit into THIS’ while showing their new tapered silhouette.
'He built his whole reputation as a waffle house chef. They’ve been serving him up ham and eggs with a side of canned tomatoes' - Don Frye on Fedor Emelianenko
by Well Read Idiot on Dec 17, 2009 3:35 AM EST reply actions
but he still looks pretty big though...
but hard to judge with that jacket on…maybe they should’ve asked him to strip naked before taking the photo…
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 17, 2009 3:37 AM EST up reply actions
Yes he does, I wasn't commenting on his size
Merely the comical way the picture came across to me =-)
Cannot wait for his next fight. Hopefully he can keep his name in the news so he doesn’t lose any heat and can draw big numbers for the UFC.
'He built his whole reputation as a waffle house chef. They’ve been serving him up ham and eggs with a side of canned tomatoes' - Don Frye on Fedor Emelianenko
by Well Read Idiot on Dec 17, 2009 3:39 AM EST up reply actions
what? you don't get your naked muscular guy fix here?
hahaha. :P
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 17, 2009 4:06 AM EST up reply actions
I do..
I just thought i remembered hearing:
1st rule of bloody elbow
you do not talk about getting your naked muscular guy fix here
2nd rule of bloody elbow
YOU DO NOT TALK ABOUT GETTING YOUR NAKED MUSCULAR GUY FIX HERE
I'm not calling him dad, even if theres a fire
but rule number 3 says,
“If it’s your first time in Bloody Elbow, you have to talk about your naked muscular guy fix”
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 17, 2009 4:12 AM EST up reply actions
Does this also mean in the next week i need to start a fight and lose?
In the name of bloody elbow?
I'm not calling him dad, even if theres a fire
fight a naked muscular guy...
then lose…
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 17, 2009 4:20 AM EST up reply actions
Copying and pasting your subject into craigslist
This ought to be interesting……
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I understand why Brock is so popular but It is almost comical that so many people are this enamored over Brock. Yet when Will Ribeiro and Haydn Clasby suffer similar experiences it goes off like a fart in the wind.
if GSP, BJ Penn, Machida or other champs go out with a weird and could be career ending (as reported) injury,
tons of MMA fans will also care a lot… after all, they are all popular MMA champions, and were in an MMA website…
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 17, 2009 4:09 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah I understand
It just sucks thats all. Any time Brocks name gets brought up it is guaranteed to get 100 comments. Yet when some obscure fighter gets a life threatening injury most people don’t care or take notice.
by Erich Vowell on Dec 17, 2009 4:49 AM EST up reply actions
yep...
it’s unfair, but naturally, tiger woods and the famous people will get more attention… but at least those stuff makes the front page. Lots of eyeballs will get to read it, and it will still help the cause, even if it doesn’t get 100 comments… (for what it’s worth, majority of BE visitors don’t comment)
also, Renzo linked to the BE post on his twitter, and was also tweeted by 36 other people (compared to the 9 on this post), so the story is getting circulated and the message is getting out… :)
Please read this & retweet it. Very important!!!: http://bit.ly/6TOvqt
Please help me help this paralyzed bjj kid… http://bit.ly/6TOvqt
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 17, 2009 5:00 AM EST up reply actions
not to mention the other sites, that picked up on this story,
and those who read/tweeted about that story too. :)
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 17, 2009 5:01 AM EST up reply actions
Yes Sir!
I wasn’t trying to single bloodyelbow out. You guys do a great job! I just mean people in general. A week from now Haydn Clasby will be long forgotten. My friend substained a carrer ending injury and no one was there for him but the people that loved him. I just wish in a world where most fighters don’t have health insurance take a risk they pay a harsh penalty for.
by Erich Vowell on Dec 17, 2009 5:18 AM EST up reply actions
It sucks but its life
Brock= Heavyweight champ of the largest MMA org out there
Haydn Clasby= A guy from new zealand i believe who most will never know or hear about.
I'm not calling him dad, even if theres a fire
He does look a little smaller, but the biggest thing here is that he’s alive, seems to be well and seems to be happy. This is good news, even if he were to never fight again.
That said, I do hope he gets back into the cage and picks up right where he left off.
by Monday Morning Martial Artist on Dec 17, 2009 4:19 AM EST reply actions
Don't worry.
The holidays are coming and everyone will get fatter, Brock included.
Mmmm food.
I specializes in grammar fail.
by a tommy point on Dec 17, 2009 5:48 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
haha so true
'He built his whole reputation as a waffle house chef. They’ve been serving him up ham and eggs with a side of canned tomatoes' - Don Frye on Fedor Emelianenko
by Well Read Idiot on Dec 17, 2009 6:30 AM EST up reply actions
Rec'd for "Mmmm food"
Any food will do!
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
Smaller
…smaller but still strong! looking foward to seeing Lesnar beats up Mir.
"Once Flamengo, Flamengo until die"
Brock has some 'Sons Of Anarchy' facial hair going on:
"Let's kick some names and take some a$$"
by StayGoldLikeFlair on Dec 17, 2009 11:11 AM EST reply actions
living in MN
SOA facial is a must
I'm looking for the chicken and the rice. Please for you give me the chicken then you come with the rice or then you give me the rice and the chicken, I don't care.
Wow...
But a purple horned helmet on him, and give the pony tails and he’d look like Minnesota’s Viking! lol
Fist Size
I don’t know how much weight or muscle he’ll lose, and you guys bring up great points about roids, but I am more concerned about the lunchbox fists he wields. As a puny person in grade school, I was knocked around a lot by full lunch boxes and they hurt like hell. So long as he can throw a nice lunchbox or two, no “new” Mir will have a chance.
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