USAT/SBN December MMA Consensus Rankings: Heavyweight
Rankings compiled by Richard Wade.
| Rank | Fighter | % | Promotion | Last Rank |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Fedor Emelianenko | 100 | M-1 Global/Strikeforce | 1 |
| 2 | Brock Lesnar | 96 | UFC | 2 |
| 3 | Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira | 89 | UFC | 3 |
| 4 | Frank Mir | 87 | UFC | 4 |
| 5 | Junior dos Santos | 75 | UFC | 5 |
| 6 | Cain Velasquez | 69 | UFC | 7 |
| 7 | Josh Barnett | 67 | WVR | 6 |
| 8 | Shane Carwin | 67 | UFC | 9 |
| 9 | Brett Rogers | 66 | Strikeforce | 8 |
| 10 | Alistair Overeem | 58 | DREAM/Strikeforce | 11 |
| 11 | Fabricio Werdum | 54 | Strikeforce | 10 |
| 12 | Andrei Arlovski | 40 | ??? | 13 |
| 13 | Gabriel Gonzaga | 25 | UFC | 16 |
| 14 | Jeff Monson | 24 | Strikeforce | 14 |
| 15 | Tim Sylvia | 23 | Adrenaline | 15 |
| 16 | Antonio Silva | 22 | WVR/Strikeforce | 18 |
| 17 | Randy Couture | 22 | UFC | 12 |
| 18 | Cheick Kongo | 21 | UFC | 17 |
| 19 | Ben Rothwell | 20 | UFC | 21 |
| 20 | Pedro Rizzo | 19 | Free Agent | 19 |
| 21 | Marcio Cruz | 19 | Art of Fighting | 19 |
| 22 | Gilbert Yvel | 18 | UFC | 22 |
| 23 | Ray Mercer | 17 | Adrenaline | 22 |
| 23 | Semmy Schilt | 17 | K-1 | 22 |
| 25 | Roy Nelson | 17 | UFC | 25 |
I thought it would be fun this month to compare the rankings with the rankings we did one year ago to see what's changed.
One thing that hasn't changed is #1 Fedor Emelianenko's lock on the top spot. Over the last twelve months, his convincing wins over #12 Andre Arlvoski (was #3 one year ago) and #9 Brett Rogers (was unranked a year ago) have only solidified that position. Certainly Fedor has faced the toughest competition he's faced in a long time in the last 18 months with Arlovski, Rogers and #15 Tim Sylvia (was #6) being the toughest three straight fights he's had since entering PRIDE against Semmy Schilt, Heath Herring (was #19 in 2008) and #3 Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira (was #2 in 2008) back in 2002-2003.
Fedor will fight again on CBS in April. His opponent is TBD but #10 Alistair Overeem (was #11) and #11 Fabricio Werdum (was #9) have both been mentioned as possibilities.
Despite only fighting once in the last year, #2 Brock Lesnar lept up five spots from #7 one year ago. His emphatic win over #4 Frank Mir (was #10) in July clearly established him in the minds of MMA fans as a top fighter. Mir's rise comes from his beating Nogueira at UFC 92 and #18 Cheick Kongo (was #16). Nogueira's thorough domination of #17 Randy Couture (was #5) helped establish Mir's bona fides as well.
Lesnar is, of course, in career limbo as we await word on his recovery from diverticulitis. In the meantime, #8 Shane Carwin (was #25) might have to beat Mir to hold his place in line for the first shot at Lesnar. Carwin's meteoric rise over the last year can only be attributed to his dramatic win over #13 Gabriel Gonzaga (was #8) and his status as the UFC's anointed #1 contender.
Nogueira on the other hand is penciled in to face #6 Cain Velasquez (was #21) at UFC 110 in Australia. Velasquez earned his way up the old fashioned way; he fought three times in 2009, beating Denis Stojnic, Kongo and #19 Ben Rothwell (was #13) in 2009. The winner of that fight will certainly be due for a title shot.
#5 Junior Dos Santos (was #17) added another MMA legend to his victims list in 2009 by beating #28 Mirko "Cro Cop" Filipovic (was #12) and Stefan Struve in 2009. He'll face #22 Gilbert Yvel at UFC 108. Dos Santos had been expecting to face Gonzaga before a nasty case of staph took Napao out of that bout.
No word on what's next for #7 Josh Barnett (was #4). He had a bad 2009, despite winning his only fight by beating Yvel at Affliction: Day of Reckoning in January. A failed drug test that cost him his license to fight in California and a shot at Fedor in August still looms over his career. Rumors persist that he'll eventually fight Fedor in DREAM or Strikeforce (if he can work out his problems with the CSAC). Fans of catch wrestling can cling to hope that Barnett will eventually redeem himself, but there are very few of us left.
NOTE: What the hell is Ray Mercer doing in the rankings?!?!
For those of you who are not familiar with how we do the consensus rankings: we do not add any subjective opinion to the rankings. Instead they are a compilation and averaging of the top 20 or so most credible and popular online ranking sites. The goal is not to create an subjective ranking of who is the best fighter but rather to objectively document which fighters are considered to be the best by the online community.
Ray Mercer sneaks into our top 25 because he is ranked at #14 by FightMatrix.com a computer-based objective rankings system. They assign points to fighters strictly based on the rankings of the opponents those fighters have beaten. When Ray Mercer beat Tim Sylvia, Sylvia was ranked in the top 13. By FightMatrix' protocols that caused Mercer to leapfrog above Sylvia even as Sylvia dropped.
Because most of our ranking sites stop at the top 10, those sites that rank the full top 25 have an outsized influence on the lower end of our rankings, ergo Mercer sneaks into our top 25. It doesn't mean we think he's the 25th best heavyweight in the world, it means that he beat a highly regarded fighter in Tim Sylvia and that caused some fairly influential members of the MMA community to consider him a top heavyweight.
Based on the premise that all MMA rankings are subjective but that it’s still useful and informative to know who the online MMA community as a whole ranks as the best fighters in MMA, we collect and average the rankings of the top MMA websites to produce our consensus rankings.
We compile the top MMA rankings from each of our sources and award 25 points for a first place ranking, 16 for a 10th place ranking, 1 for a 25th place ranking. A formula is used to "normalize" the data so all fighters are awarded points from those lists that do not include a full 25 fighters. This formula ensures that each ranking site awards the same number of total points regardless of how many fighters they choose to rank. Each fighter’s total is divided by the number of possible points to determine their standing in the Consensus Rankings.
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I, for one, am hoping Josh gets things cleared up with the CSAC and we finally get to see Fedor and Barnett fight. I have two reason for wanting this:
1) I am selfish. I am a big fan of watching Josh showcase Erik Paulson’s catch wrestling.
2) I think there can be no more fitting punishment for a man who has ducked Fedor for years than to finally get his clock cleaned on national tv.
That’s where his last fight took place.
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by Richard Wade on Dec 16, 2009 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
I figured it would be based on who they are currently signed to due to Andrei Arlovski’s last fight not taking place at ??? or Jeff Monson’s at Free Agent.
by CSKit on Dec 16, 2009 10:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hehehhee Hilarious!
Even though I would place Semmy Shilt ahead of Mercer (duh!) I find it extra amusing that he`s ranked ahead of that random fat-guy and TUF-winner Roy Nelson! Amazing.
But on the other hand… Seeing as he destroyed nr 15 Tim Sylvia, I`m actually kinda surprised that he isn`t ranked above such has-beens as Randy Couture, Cheick Kongo and Ben Rothwell.
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by BlueberryMuffin on Dec 17, 2009 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
How is Ray mercer ranked ar all… Just cause of a 1 punch ko on an out of shape sylvia? I know it was exhibition but mercer did get beaten soundly by kimbo slice of all people
by kanodogg on Dec 17, 2009 10:00 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
You are ridiculous. He took 1/4 of the time Fedor did to knock out Tim Sylvia. He is a legend.
by TLow on Dec 17, 2009 10:12 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes he is...
in Boxing, in MMA he beat an out of shape Tim Sylvia. By your logic Seth Petruzelli > Kimbo Slice > Ray Mercer > Tim Sylvia? MMAth makes you look ridiculous…
Because the USAT/SBN consensus rankings
Are not a subjective rankings system, but rather an attempt to reflect the consensus of prominent online ranking sites, they are influenced by the individual eccentricities of the rankings sites we use.
In the case of Ray Mercer, FightMatrix.com — IMO one of the best and indisputably one of the most objective ranking systems — ranks Mercer at #14 because their objective ranking formula assigns a set amount of points for beating a ranked competitor.
Tim Sylvia was highly ranked when Mercer beat him, ergo FightMatrix gives Mercer the points it would give any fighter who beat Sylvia.
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I question the wisdom of not supplying your own rankings as a counterpoint to the community consensus. Yes, crowds are generally wise, but as the gambling shows, experts can and frequently are more accurate in their estimation of skills and fight winners.
The community rankings seem to punish fighters for inactivity, which doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to me. On what planet is having Tim Sylvia over Couture at HW right now rational?
Basically, I’m asking you to do more work and put up your own lists as at least a basis for comparison and perhaps more of a guide.
Ribbit.
ah
Our rankings poll a panel of experts. So I’m not convinced that there is any sage out there who will do everything exactly right.
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I’m not asking for a sage’s opinion. I’m asking for subjective rankings of you or BE as a whole. I bet they’d be a hell of a lot better than these lists if you’re extending them out to 25.
Besides people like Josh Gross aren’t actually experts. I’d take any of the BE contributors over him in terms of knowledge, connection to the sport and ability to start and sustain interesting discussion.
Ribbit.
thanks
Leland does his own rankings for the Independent MMA rankings.
Personally I don’t have time to do it justice.
Nor do I really believe it’s valid. LOL
But I do like to know how fighters are being ranked, hence these.
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his long period of inactivity
against ranked competition and rumored health issues have caused most of the sites we use to compile the rankings to drop him.
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Ray Mercer above Roy Nelson? Could these rankings be any more pointless?
by lascreenwriter on Dec 17, 2009 10:46 AM EST reply actions
UFC needs to sign Mercer
and make this fight happen!
by HappyLittleTreez on Dec 17, 2009 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
Could your comment be any more ignorant?
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 17, 2009 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
I realize BE does not come up with the rankings on their own and it’s a collective input from other well respected people and sites, but putting Ray Mercer in the top 25 with an official record of 1-0 and being 48 years old is a bit of a joke. I kind of understand the reasoning, but it hurts the legitimacy of the rankings with fighters like that even ranked (though, again, no fault to BE who only compiles the rankings of others).
Ray Mercer @ the 23 spot!
Duh-what!? Is he he going to fight in MMA again soon?
for all intents and purposes, just consider all my posts as works of satire.
Who in the name of buggery actually has Mercer listed? Odd one that.
Interesting that #3 is fighting #6, but #4 vs #8 is for the (interim) title.
Dos Santos is a little high for my liking.
Nate put this in the main body...but we still have people saying things...so...
NOTE: What the hell is Ray Mercer doing in the rankings?!?!
For those of you who are not familiar with how we do the consensus rankings: we do not add any subjective opinion to the rankings. Instead they are a compilation and averaging of the top 20 or so most credible and popular online ranking sites. The goal is not to create an subjective ranking of who is the best fighter but rather to objectively document which fighters are considered to be the best by the online community.
Ray Mercer sneaks into our top 25 because he is ranked at #14 by FightMatrix.com a computer-based objective rankings system. They assign points to fighters strictly based on the rankings of the opponents those fighters have beaten. When Ray Mercer beat Tim Sylvia, Sylvia was ranked in the top 10. By FightMatrix’ protocols that caused Mercer to leapfrog above Sylvia even as Sylvia dropped.
Because most of our ranking sites stop at the top 10, those sites that rank the full top 25 have an outsized influence on the lower end of our rankings, ergo Mercer sneaks into our top 25. It doesn’t mean we think he’s the 25th best heavyweight in the world, it means that he beat a highly regarded fighter in Tim Sylvia and that caused some fairly influential members of the MMA community to consider him a top heavyweight.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 17, 2009 12:19 PM EST reply actions
Wait a minute
What the fuck was Tim Sylvia doing in the top 10?!?!
I want to say..
That we had Sylvia around #13 or so at fight time.
Personally, I’m amazed Sylvia is still #15 on the consensus list.
Creator of the FightMatrix rating system.
A question I have is this.
If Ray Mercer came from a Cung Le-like background and wasn’t in his mid-late 40s, would as many people have a problem with his ranking? His pro MMA records and achivements would be exactly the same.. isn’t that what we rank based on?
Creator of the FightMatrix rating system.
by JCS_FM on Dec 17, 2009 1:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think it should not just matter who a fighter beats, but how he beat them. So Mir’s win over Congo would could more than if say the fight had go to a decision win for Mir. Or if a fighter loses but it was a close fight, that should not count against them, if there opponent was consider good. Like Shogun, or to a much lesser extent Brett Rogers.
Cain Velasquez and Alistair Overeem are still being ranked largely on hype.
Seems weird to have Nogueira over Mir when Mir hasn’t lost or gone inactive since he beat Nog.
Jeff Monson being six places ahead of Pedro Rizzo, and Rizzo being is indicative of how little some of these “expert” rankers are actually paying attention.
it seems to have made a big impression on rankers
as did Nog’s domination of Couture. Plus I think people just love Big Nog
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And Nog beat Couture since he lost to Mir, the idea that anyone can justify Nog being ahead of Mir after his destruction of Kongo just goes to show why I haven’t taken rankings seriously for years.
Indeed.
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by Richard Wade on Dec 17, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
"objective" and "computer" don't necessarily go together
There’s always subjectivity when an abstract quality like “greatness” is mapped to an arbitrary value. Though the computer calculates the value, it never maps it. People do. Just because a machine crunches it doesn’t make it less subjective, it just makes it clearer where the numbers come from.
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A computer software program also doesn’t give a guy extra credit for name value, or boost him up a few spots because he has a fight coming soon… Its development was subjective, but all results are as consistent and objective as can be realistically expected.
Creator of the FightMatrix rating system.
by JCS_FM on Dec 17, 2009 6:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
But it’s not an objective ranking. It’s more objective, but if they were objective, all computer based systems would spit out the same ranking.
by Phildo on Dec 17, 2009 6:39 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
That's false.
objective: undistorted by emotion or personal bias; based on observable phenomena.
Criteria can be observed in different ways.
Creator of the FightMatrix rating system.
by JCS_FM on Dec 20, 2009 6:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

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