"Scoring the Struve-Buentello-fight" (or "What constitutes a 10-8 round?")
by BlueberryMuffin on Dec 14, 2009 9:53 AM EST
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Somewhat obscured by BJ Penn`s deconstruction of Diego, KenFlo`s hammering of the Carpenter and Mir`s grip of Cheick`s neck, two middling heavuweights battled it out.
I found the fight fairly enjoyable, especially the first round. And since I was rooting for Struve, I was quite pleased with the result...
But.. While I was pleased by the result and completely agree with it, I was somewhat suprised by the scoring. I, and two of the judges, scored it 10-9 Struve, 10-9 Buentello and 10-9 Struve, thus giving a victory for Struve 29-28.
But one judge scored it 28-28. How did that happen? The first round was Struve`s. The second round was Buentello`s. So...
Did that lone judge give the 10-8 to Struve? Possibly. Struve did spend almost the entire round on Buentello`s back, trying to apply choke`s. Or did he think that Buentello`s knockdown rendered a 10-8 round in the second stanza?
Merely out of curiosity. Would you rather give Struve a 10-8 for his complete domination on the ground and constant submission-attempts, (but very little significant damage)? Or would you give Buentello a 10-8 for his knockdown?
I, for one, believe both were 10-9 rounds... But if you HAD to score one of them 10-8?
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It’s not really a debate. In the first Struve controlled basically the entire fight, had Buentello in a bad position for the entire round..etc. In the second Buentello knocked Struve down with a very impressive looking right hand. Struve, however, had moments of his own in the round and it was far from complete domination.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 14, 2009 10:19 AM EST reply actions
There was no 10-8 round scored. One judge scored one round 10-10.
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A 10-10 round would not explain a 29-29 score, but not a 28-28 score.
I suspect the 28-28 was erroneously reported and that 29-29 was the actual score.
^ WOULD explain a 29-29 score, but NOT a 28-28 score
damn you indecisive prose!
Which would be BS anyway...
that was not a fight where any round was really even up for debate. Struve dominated round 1 and clearly won 3. Paul clearly won round 2.
This is what will happen if we get an emphasis on 10-10 rounds. Not that I disagree with using them more. But in the hands of the same judges that screw up now…they’ll hide behind 10-10 rounds rather than making any calls in close rounds (even though I didn’t see any sort of close round in this fight)
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 14, 2009 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
You are preaching to the choir.
The 10 point must system is not the problem. Incompetent judges are the problem. Put Matt Hume at cageside and I am 100% confident he will deliver the right decision, regardless of what scoring system is being used. Put Cecil Peoples at cageside, and I am just as certain he will screw it up, regardless of what scoring system is being used.
Recruiting and training qualified judges and then holding them accountable for their performance is FAR more important than trying to tweak the scoring system.
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Unless Hughes is fighting, in which case he wins all rounds where he doesn’t get knocked out ,10-6
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by ElliotMatheny on Dec 14, 2009 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
Agree on both accounts. I generally don`t like 10-10 rounds and Struve won round 1 and 2…
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by BlueberryMuffin on Dec 14, 2009 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
Uh No
Buentello definitely won round 2 with the knockdown.
Doc Hamilton scored the first round 10-8 Struve and the next two 10-9 Buentello. They said so on Beatdown after the Bell
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by greco-roman airlines on Dec 14, 2009 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
Then Doc Hamilton should get a beatdown… I would have less on a hard time accepting a 10-8 round for Buentello (round 2) than I have with him scoring round 3 for the Headhunter.
But… As has been said before… Leg-kicks doesn`t seem to count anymore.
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by BlueberryMuffin on Dec 14, 2009 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
Thats silly. The first was a 10-9, perhaps if Struve had transitioned through a few sub attempts it would be a 10-8, but the fact that he had Buentello’s back for so long and didn’t sub him means it was only a 10-9. In the last round Buentello just stood there and ate a shocking number of leg kicks, I don’t see how he won it.
At least Struve won anyways so the controversy with the scoring wasn’t such a big deal
The right result for the wrong reasons still sucks.
Glad Struve still got the win, but I’d like to thank the author of this post for doing due diligence and looking in to what happened. We need to keep refs and judges accountable, even if the best you can do as fans is to make noise about it.
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