Here's the post he edited, then deleted, after getting called out for plagiarizing Middle Easy and a guy from the EA forum..
about 2 years ago
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numbers 8-10 were added, and just "heard" was changed to "read"
after I called him out… (you can still see it on the URL of the post)
after i called him out on it.. he linked the forum on the word “heard”.. then decided to change the whole thing to “read from EA sports forums”
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 14, 2009 3:06 AM EST up reply actions
LOL, hilarious man. I was doing everyone a favor, but thanks for bringing it back. I had a feeling you would.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Dec 14, 2009 4:25 AM EST up reply actions
i called him out too in the vga vid thread. dude really needs to either cite sources. i mean it’s nice that he posts info but shit like that? i’d rather he never post.
yep..it's cool if someone posts good info,
but not linking back and implying that he “heard it from sources” when he clearly copy pasted middle easy’s tweets in exact order, and added a few bits from the forum, is just fucking sleazy..
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 14, 2009 3:20 AM EST up reply actions
can you guys start policing his posts? i mean it really is an every post kinda deal. it gets old.
by Matthew Roth on Dec 14, 2009 3:22 AM EST up reply actions
He does that a lot,
and then he denies it and adds a “oh i just forgot to link cause i was busy” excuse if he gets called out…
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 14, 2009 3:25 AM EST up reply actions
I like Sup
But the industry insider shit gets out of hand sometimes.
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
I used to like him too,
i even defended him several times in the past, but this shit is just bad… and Plagiarism is just fucking wrong, and people who do this really deserves to be embarrassed.
Hopefully most people from BE read this fanshot so that they’d know the shit he keeps trying to pull…
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 14, 2009 3:30 AM EST up reply actions
I think he just needs to cite sources and people need to stop blowing smoke up his ass about “talking to Coker” and shit.
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
yup..
I read that comment and it made me laugh a lot… The guy is dedicated and loves to post, but that fake “im an insider” crap has got to go, because plagiarism is just low..
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 14, 2009 3:39 AM EST up reply actions
i always figured he was the one blowing the smoke up our asses about “talking to coker” or “my sources at ea”
by Matthew Roth on Dec 14, 2009 3:45 AM EST up reply actions
Blackout was refferring to some members
telling Sup stuff like “hey tell coker that…..”
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 14, 2009 3:48 AM EST up reply actions
waaaaait….seriously? thats pretty amazing in a ridiculous kind of way.
by Matthew Roth on Dec 14, 2009 3:50 AM EST up reply actions
I also used to like your enthusiasm for the sport and your posts, before you got hired on staff that is. After that (and I am not the only one who thinks this), “things” changed.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Dec 14, 2009 5:06 AM EST up reply actions
Whatever you say dude..
Try and turn this around or change the topic, the bottom line is that I don’t imply that I’m “reporting” stuff when I copy paste from other people..
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 14, 2009 5:16 AM EST up reply actions
Are my “fan” (emphasizing the fan part) posts not cutting it? Well then, I apologize for that. I do my best.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Dec 14, 2009 5:32 AM EST up reply actions
wow, so why then does SBN have a rule that you have to credit your sources?
you’re still trying to justify what you did? nice..
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 14, 2009 6:13 AM EST up reply actions
What would the proper action be for violating a rule? Isn’t a warning or a virtual slap in the hand the correct action to take? Is public feud a better way? I am sure its in the rules somewhere.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Dec 14, 2009 6:17 AM EST up reply actions
I don't think this
Just sayin’.
(miss the deviant art links though)
Anton
I believe that you have officially embarrassed him, Sup does have some good stuff but clearly he does need to “HT” and cite his “sources”, nevertheless this is an interesting turn of events
"Its a cliche that boxing is the sweet science, man we're astro physics..." ~ Mayhem Miller speaking about MMA
I explained it to him, decided to be civil about it, and I had a feeling that he would bring it back. Believe it or not, I cite all my stuff, but I forget to put them up sometimes (not intentionally), specially when I need to come back to it, and I do it afterward. I don’t need to be called out to do it.
The reason WHY I deleted the post was because there were about 10-12 comments that had NOTHING to do with the content, but more on how Anton was trying to “get me” for copying and pasting without HT, even after I explained it to him. Again, I did not want the feud to upstage the actual content of the post.
That’s all. I’m done for now, and thanks to those that enjoy reading my posts. There is NO BENEFIT for me to take someones credit or work. Letting my negligent posting being construed as a guy who wants to be an “insider” again means nothing. Now for those saying that I don’t cite my posts, I ask you to look through my history and show me all these posts without any source. Ask Nick Thomas (who is one of the only BE members who Front Pages my posts) if I have ever given any mislead information or taken others work without providing a source. If I don’t have a source, its because there is nothing to source and I am it. If I ever do happen to forget (which I am not denying, and if someone reminds me, I offer it) he is nice enough to link it for me instead of accusing me (which is not the first time Anton has done so).
Thanks for understanding guys.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Dec 14, 2009 4:42 AM EST up reply actions
did you or did you not copy paste Middle Easy's exact words,
add in a few of yours, and claim that it was a post that you “heard” of somewhere you didn’t link to?
Did you or did you not get the stuff from the forum yet conveniently “forget” to link to them?
You phrase it as if you “heard” about it from someone, then you only link it, when someone calls you out, then make the excuse, “I forgot, I was busy”.. Now it read’s “I read about from the EA forums”… And lets say somehow you’re really forgetful/busy that you did forget about that EA forum thing, the middle easy copy paste was still inexcusable..
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 14, 2009 5:56 AM EST up reply actions
If you actually believe I steal from ME... read this Middle Easy post...
I really don’t want to get it to a point where I have to prove myself.
Not sure what magazine this is from or whether I’m going to have any calls from lawyers this weekend for publishing this picture but here is the first screen capture of gameplay from EA Sports MMA and I’m going to need about an hour to clean the saliva from my desk. Amazing stuff. Props to MMASupremacy from the UG for finding this.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Dec 14, 2009 6:07 AM EST up reply actions
and that proves what?
that Middle Easy mentions where they get their stuff?
So why didn’t you do the same?
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 14, 2009 6:11 AM EST up reply actions
Hence, the fact that we have helped each other out before, which is why it would be dumb to think I am trying to steal from them.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Dec 14, 2009 6:14 AM EST up reply actions
oooh..
so BE doesn’t have to credit MMAMania if they copy paste their work, cause not only have they “helped each other out before” they’re actually sister sites…
good one! that makes it so right..
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 14, 2009 6:16 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not the only one who finds this guy extremely obnoxious, right?
I remember when lil nog signed with the UFC, and Supremacy tried to spin it in a negative light stating that he’ll never fight Anderson or Dos Santos. Then when it comes out Mousasi is only allowed to fight on the same card as Fedor a while ago he was acting if everything was all peachy. Just a couple of examples f his intellectual dishonesty Right off the top of my head.
The guys is basically a propagandist. He has an agenda.
1) Lil Nog doesn’t want to fight Machida or Anderson.
2) Josh Gross already reported when he asked Coker, Coker told him that no such contract clause exists for Mousasi to only fight when Fedor fights.
So you are saying I was right, but don’t like the way I relay the info?
by MMASuPreMaCy on Dec 14, 2009 4:47 AM EST up reply actions
1) Lil nog will Fight Machida, no? I remember Ed saying something along the lines of the figth not being their first choice for a fight, but it would work.
2) I missed that update.
I only brought up those two examples to highlight your spinmeistering and your agenda, and they happened to be fresh in my mind.
"[Anderson Silva and I] won’t fight because we’re friends," said Machida. "We hang out, go to dinner and do many things together. I want to defend the belt some times and after that, make a personal challenge to test my potential. But it’s a thought for the future. Who knows – will I be the heavyweight champion one day?"
When asked about fighting Nogueira, Machida concluded the interview by stating "Let’s fight other guys."
http://www.fightersonlymagazine.co.uk/news/viewarticle.php?id=3507
by MMASuPreMaCy on Dec 14, 2009 4:57 AM EST up reply actions
I know i remember reading a quote from Ed Soares in which he stated the only fight that was 100% off the table was Lyoto Vs Anderson. After some googling around for a bit just now i can’t seem to find the source. Someone help out here with a link? Also, “let’s fight other guys” is not the same as “I will not fight him.”
Regardless, this isn’t the issue here. My problem is your willingness to slant and spin away to further your agenda.
Before Coker’s comments about the Mousasi Fedor deal, you flat out defended the situation at face value:
“LOL At people making fun of this. Is it that hard to believe that M-1 wants M-1 fighters to fight on M-1 co-promoted events on CBS? It makes the most sense for them, doesn’t it? Now, if Strikeforce wants Mousasi to defend the belt and Fedor is out for 4-6 months, he will fight without Fedor on the card, simple as that.
- MMASuPreMaCy
So, lil nog signs with the UFC – remember this would have been before anyone knew for sure who he would be willing to fight and who not – and you jump in and put a negative spin on it with your comments about how he’ll never fight so and so.
Meanwhile, a potential situation that is very obviously bad for SF arises and you play it like it’s just fine. As if one of their best fighters was only allowed to fight when certain preconditions were met and having to bend to the will of M1 wasn’t detrimental.
Your subtle about it, but it’s my opinion that this pattern applies to a bunch of your comments to the point of you have a hidden anti-UFC agenda. To the point that you’re an obnoxious propagandist.
To answer your questions, I talk to enough people and have followed the fighters for a quite a while, enough to be confident with what I was writing. Indeed, Soares did mention that, but in the most recent interview, Machida said otherwise, and it is their preference not to fight guys from their own camp, much like AKA.
What you consider “spinning” is me quoting sources.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Dec 14, 2009 5:38 AM EST up reply actions
but
But even you can look at the topics you choose to report on and see that it trends anti-ufc/pro-strikeforce/affliction/dream/etc…
There are guys on here like(I believe) Chris Nelson, and Leland who follow other promotions (Sengoku, Dream,Shooto, etc) without coming off as UFC haters….
I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.
Well, that’s up to the readers to decide. I enjoy watching the UFC and everything MMA related.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Dec 14, 2009 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
Nelson and Leland are both BE staff members. MMASuPreMaCy is a fan posting fanposts and fanshots, so he can be as biased as he wants. He is no better or worse than mmalogic who is obviously working with a pro-Zuffa agenda. They are both partisan to opposing camps. If either one or both were discovered to be paid “astro-turfers” it wouldn’t surprise me.
Here is a mind trip, what if none of us where being paid!
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by MMASuPreMaCy on Dec 15, 2009 12:24 AM EST up reply actions
That wouldn’t surprise me either.
by John Nash on Dec 15, 2009 2:04 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
that is not the topic here..
I really don’t care if he has biases or whatever, I just don’t like people copy pasting other people’s work without crediting…
That already happened to me, (a newspaper stole a couple of my articles) and I know how it feels, so I really don’t like it when I see other people doing it…
This is not a place to bash him for what mma promotion he likes/dislikes, and this isn’t a post to shamelessly bash a guy because I don’t like him (cause that couldn’t be further away from the truth)… I really just don’t like people stealing another man’s work.
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 14, 2009 6:06 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i must admit, im usually on the other side of supremacy but this whole thing is pretty nuts…
take your issues up with him privately and not in this childish/witch hunt way. its fan posts, he aint on the staff or anything…
by milson on Dec 14, 2009 5:59 AM EST reply actions 13 recs
fanposts or not, Plagiarism is fucking wrong... and illegal.
this isn’t about siding (or not siding) with supremacy’s views, this is about not stealing other people’s work…
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 14, 2009 6:09 AM EST up reply actions
So, wouldn’t it not be proper to delete a post that would be considered plagiarism, notify the author of such post or fix it by linking it for them, so a feud doesn’t erupt on the posts, which in the end, upstages the actual info trying to be relayed in the post. I was trying to do my part, but you chose to bring it back, so, here we are.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Dec 14, 2009 6:12 AM EST up reply actions
see the problem is he did. he brought it up in the post. you deleted the post and pretend like shit doesn’t happen. it’s ridiculous. and you’re missing the point. the point is you directly lifted quotes from middle easy and didn’t give credit. at all. a lot of your fanposts/shots are just block quotes which is fine, but you have to credit your sources at the beginning regardless of the chance you’ll add more to the post. it happens enough where it isn’t an “oh i forgot” issue, it becomes a “hope no one catches me” issue. no one has problems with you reporting non UFC news, they have a problem with you not giving credit where credit is due. and the reason anton made this post, is that when he did tell you to fix your fanpost, you decided to get all comical instead of just fixing it.
=)
by Matthew Roth on Dec 14, 2009 8:00 AM EST up reply actions
Nope
see the problem is he did. he brought it up in the post. you deleted the post and pretend like shit doesn’t happen.
I was still modifying the post, and as I was changing it, then I deleted it because there were 20 posts that had nothing to do with the actual post topic.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Dec 14, 2009 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
In the future
Don’t be so hurried in publishing and just edit it all out before posting. It’s sort of hard to argue with saying you “heard” about this stuff and then weo finding that you lifted the whole thing. It just looks bad. It’s all good, just do your due dilligence in the future..
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
by Blackout612 on Dec 14, 2009 3:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Right. I know you (supremacy) like to be the first to post this stuff when it comes out but it’s more important that it be done the right way.
The only thing Jon Jones does better than Matt Hamill is hear.
(And smash faces)
by ufc4 on Dec 14, 2009 3:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
True, and I will put this experience into perspective, though I vehemently disapprove of the way this was handled. If I don’t have time, I just wont post it, but at this point, posting with users waiting to scrutinize anything I write or in the manner of which it is done is growing tiresome.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Dec 14, 2009 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think anyone is overly-pleased with this being dragged through the public forum.
However, I can see why people examine your work so closely. Look at the post on Dynamite! – it was all rumors, then any more signings to which you alluded teased the information at us and followed with those damn smileys. Throwing half-useful information around then acting hurt when people scrutinize your posts isn’t helpful to your cause. If you have something solid, by all means share it. Just tell us where you got it. And lose the smiley. Please.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Dec 14, 2009 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
Those were rumors, and were stated as such. When I hinted certain information, did it not become true afterwords? I tell as much as I can. At least, that is my intention.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Dec 14, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
It's not what you're saying, but how you say it.
Remember when Coker said that SF would have two major announcements soon? You kept hinting and implying something massive would happen, smothering your posts with smiles & winks like your not supposed to say anything, but you’ll tell us anyway out of graciousness. Nothing materialized, and when pointed out, you stuck to your guns with the same sly fervor. You hint and suggest and call it “rumors”, so if you’re ever wrong, you can say it wasn’t fact yet, but if confirmed, you can take credit. You defend mediocre cards for no apparent reason. People attack mmalogic, too, but at least he’ll stick his neck out instead of using double-speak and can weather the criticism. You play the heel, but aren’t liking that it bit you back.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Dec 14, 2009 4:39 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I play the heel? I report MMA news and rumors, whatever you guys take from it is fine with me. And, I am fine with the criticism as well, though THIS is entirely different and has nothing to do with what people think my “biases” are.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Dec 14, 2009 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
This is exactly what I'm talking about.
You know exactly how to manipulate people here. You’re falling back on the excuse of “I report the news”, but how many bullshit TV news shows use that excuse? You’re slippery, never openly siding with any issue, so you can attribute any bias to how we perceive you. This post is just an extension of that – you claiming sources and insider info, then weaseling out with vague words when pressed. You’re seen as so biased that you’ll publish anything not-Zuffa, which leads to heavy scrutiny, which leads to this mess. You may honestly have contacts – I don’t know – but you give no reason for people to trust you on the matter. It may not be fair, but this is what you’ve sown, so reap away. =)
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Dec 14, 2009 5:31 PM EST up reply actions
How exactly do I manipulate people when everyone calls out what I post as a “spin” job or take what I write with a grain of salt?
If anything, I am just wasting my time posting stuff that people won’t care to read.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Dec 14, 2009 9:15 PM EST up reply actions
Okay, okay
Please stop playing the victim. You don’t post news and rumors as a courtesy out of the good of your heart. We’re all here wasting our time talking about MMA because we enjoy it. You don’t spin as hard as you once did, but you still spin. Nothing to be ashamed of, there’s a lot of spinning for Zuffa around here, too.
Just give it time— this will die down.
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
by Blackout612 on Dec 14, 2009 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
It not just the posts – it’s in the comments, the smileys, the hints, the innuendos. You never commit to anything, just hide behind sarcasm. Here’s an example of what you’ve written in this thread: “LOL, hilarious man. I was doing everyone a favor, but thanks for bringing it back. I had a feeling you would.” Not addressing the issue, not even a feint by witticism, just snide dismissal. I’ve actually enjoyed this post because you’ve been interacting like a real person, not your usual evasive persona.
People do want to hear about MMA, all aspects of it. Chris Nelson especially does a great job at covering Japan. Many others do good write-ups on Japan, SF, MFC, etc. You’ve just tarnished you ability to present it.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Dec 14, 2009 10:43 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
That last part rings true
Nelson and Leland always provide strong and impartial coverage of news from abroad and I absolutely love it. Certainly, there are posters here that make all-things-Zuffa seem greater than they likely are, but none so often and brazenly as Sup can. Even smoogamaphone won’t tug at the wool and try to tell you that he likes Dana— he’ll affirm his very clear stance on all things combat-sports. I don’t care if people don’t like the UFC, just be honest about it so we can exchange banter without having to dedicate entire paragraphs to reiterating that there are clear biases involved. There are so few of us that just love all MMA (people just love picking a side, no matter the venue), but honesty goes a long way.
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
by Blackout612 on Dec 14, 2009 10:49 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Reason for the snide comment was because for one, it frustrated me that he was doing this and two, I addressed all the issues below in another comment he made.
Well, at least I am glad that you are enjoying this exchange, but anyone that has had any conversation can tell you the same. If anyone asks me a question, I answer it, plain a simple. If you don’t know that, its probably because you have never gotten in an in depth conversation with me.
The smileys, hints, and innuendos is just my thing, its good times talking about MMA.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Dec 14, 2009 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
I’ve read what you post here, and I don’t find that you often answer plain and simple. I’ve never gone out of my way to have an in-depth conversation because I’ve never seen the point. It’s so damn hard to get a straight answer out of you, I just choose not to interact, save this instance.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Dec 14, 2009 11:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I am pretty sure others feel the same way.
Just a hunch. Blackout and a few others don’t mind engaging I guess. =)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Dec 15, 2009 12:21 AM EST up reply actions
I was going to reply to this but instead I will just “me too” this opinion.
What’s wrong with just posting the information and crediting the source and then discussing it in a normal manner? I’ve got to the point where I just ignore most of SuPreMaCy articles because it isn’t worth swimming the river of crap to get to the interesting nuggets.
by who me on Dec 15, 2009 11:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I knew there were more of you around. The funny thing is all I do is post the source and the info, so I am not sure what you guys are talking about. I mostly post fan shots now, not fan posts, so there is no “river of crap” to swim around, until you think the info I am posting is crap. That was like so 6-8 months ago. =)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Dec 15, 2009 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
I knew there were more of you around.
I didn’t have to go farther than the first sentence of your reply to find an example of what I was talking about.
It plays along with all those in this post saying the same, so I am answering to each and one of you one by one. You should go beyond that part, what you read was the least relevant part, and I am trying to keep things light around here, b/c its been serious business lately.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Dec 16, 2009 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
Yea but that’s not keeping it light it’s making you look like a pompous ass. It’s those kinds of comments that really get under people’s skin.
As far as the rest of it, yes I haven’t been reading many of your fan post for the last 6-8 months or so due to what they were then. If they are better now then great but then all this goes back to a lot of the reasons I stopped following them then.
I do recognize that you love to go back and edit and change up post (sometimes for days after you first put it up)but perhaps you should just write it in word and make sure it’s all correct and what you want it to be first and make sure your giving the proper credit. Of course I would also say to just go with the facts and cut out the over the top spin doctoring but then that seems to be what you enjoy.
Also,
don’t think I have a personal grudge or vendetta against Supremacy…Had another person did this, I’d also do the same thing and call him out on it…
Anton
Supremacy can be full of bs sometimes, but couldn’t you have sent him an email or commenting on his post to just chill with that shit, instead of making a post and embarrassing him?
by The Bronzeville Bully on Dec 14, 2009 8:20 AM EST reply actions
he did. supremacy decided to make jokes instead of just doing that.
by Matthew Roth on Dec 14, 2009 8:23 AM EST up reply actions
I agree what he did is wrong, but this isn’t the right way to take care of it. If you need to ban him do that, if you need to tell him the next time something like this happens he’s banned do that, but I don’t see the need to tar and feather him in front of everyone like this. I’ve bumped heads with Supremacy as much as anyone but I don’t feel like making an entire thread to bash him is the way to handle this. If anyone other than a staff member had posted this it would’ve been deleted in short order.
The only thing Jon Jones does better than Matt Hamill is hear.
(And smash faces)
by ufc4 on Dec 14, 2009 9:48 AM EST via mobile reply actions 2 recs
The path to my fixed purpose is laid with iron rails, whereon my soul is grooved to run. Towards thee I roll, thou all-destroying but unconquering BROCKLESNAR; to the last I grapple with thee.
by judonerd on Dec 14, 2009 10:53 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
These are some serious accusations, so I thought I would look back over MMASuPreMacy history and I looked through his last 30 posts for signs of not giving proper credit to sources – and after going through the last 30 posting listed on his user blog I couldn’t find any. Everyone had a link immediately after a source or at the beginning or end of the post. Do you have more examples because misquoting or improperly crediting a quote once out of every 30 posts or so does not seem to me too egregious of error.
by John Nash on Dec 14, 2009 1:40 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
Well he could have edited those posts after the fact like he did to the one in question.
The only thing Jon Jones does better than Matt Hamill is hear.
(And smash faces)
by ufc4 on Dec 14, 2009 3:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I should have mentioned I also scanned through the comments on those 30 user blog posts to see if anyone made any comment about the sources or the quotes. It would reason that he would change his sources only after being called out, but no one mentioned anything.
I am not saying he isn’t plagiarizing or not giving proper credit, but, with the exception of this and one or two other isolated incidents, sloppiness, and lack of professional decorum seem just as likely culprits as gross misconduct.
False, I did call him out before and he edited and it was hours after the post went up.
Some people think I am a dumb, ugly human being, but really I am a beautiful ape, with exceptional verbal skills.
I’m not saying he isn’t doing it, but I haven’t seen a lot of evidence. Could you provide a link and at least see what your comments were that forced him to re-edit the post.
It's happened
Not everyone has time to comb through past entries, but it’s happened more than a few times (his lack of sourcing, at least initially, or suggesting he “heard” something). To be fair, no one is allowed to get away with that sort of thing and most any fanpost/fanshot not containing a link will get wiped off the archives unless the poster adds a source or a staffer recognizes the source of information and does so themselves.
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
I’ve seen him do that, but with the exception of two cases, I remember it alway being in the comment section, which I hold to a lower standard.
Not trying to defend Sup or attack szucconi, but you got to admit it’s kind of ironic to attack him for not citing sources and yet not provide a link to the source proving your case.
by John Nash on Dec 14, 2009 8:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Here is one example and there are other where I was involved and more recently, but I just didn’t find them.
Some people think I am a dumb, ugly human being, but really I am a beautiful ape, with exceptional verbal skills.
Whatever argument we have had, I explained myself and corrected the situation shortly after. I would be glad to see all these “others” that you refer to.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Dec 14, 2009 9:29 PM EST up reply actions
Those would be easy to identify, because someone would have left a comment. And to be clear, I always modify the posts to make them as accurate as I can. My first post is usually rough.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Dec 14, 2009 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
This is funny. No big deal IMO. Certainly not enough to try and embarrass him after all the work this guy has done here. Not cool.
Mauricio Shogun Rua #1 LHW in the World. The TRUE Champion.
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
Do you understand the severity of plagiarism? If MMASup is guilty of it (and this post is hardly conclusive proof), that’s a big deal.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Dec 14, 2009 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
believe me, I wouldn't post this if this was the first time...
almost all of his “sources” is when he asks guys on twitter (gryphonjapan for example), and in forums. and those who are nice enough to give tidbits, he doesn’t give credit to them.. If they are answering in a public site, then they don’t need/want to be anonymous sources… yet this guy just says he has “sources”, or he “heard it somewhere”… there’s rumors… blahblah..
This isn’t some witch hunt or a personal vendetta against sup.. If someone else kept claiming he had sources, but were actually just not crediting people, I’d do the exact same thing…
I won’t be commenting much on this post anymore cause I’ve already said my piece and I think it’s pretty obvious what this guy is doing…If you still believe how he spins things and makes lame excuses, then I guess there’s nothing I can do anymore..
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 14, 2009 7:27 PM EST up reply actions
I don't want to beat this subject into the ground
But it seems you have problems with his “sources” are more those that appear in the comment section than in his fanposts (with the exception of this example):
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2009/11/17/1162358/clinch-gear-and-rvca-respond-to#comments
To update, a well-placed source within the mma apparel industry indicates that they have heard the same as well, regarding RVCA. Will keep you guys updated.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Nov 17, 2009 12:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
ooohh.. sources..
how bout this update.. mmmm…
weoweoweo.deviantart.com — @antontabuena
Due to the Questionable decision: “The only thing Fishbob does consistently is dissapoint.”
by Anton Tabuena on Nov 17, 2009 12:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fighters Only is now confirming it. So, it looks like FO is the first website to say they confirmed it. FINALLY! =)
http://www.fightersonlymagazine.co.uk/news/viewarticle.php?id=3440
by MMASuPreMaCy on Nov 17, 2009 2:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Is our standard now that all sources should be cited, even in the comment section? While I agree plagiarism is dreadful, shouldn’t the comment section be held to a much lower standard? mmalogic is constantly hinting at sources but no one demands that he provide a link or source it. And I wouldn’t expect him to either, as long as he keeps this references to the comment section. (Man is it annoying how those two are linked).
by John Nash on Dec 14, 2009 8:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Even that example is BS. I told him I had other sources which confirmed the situation, and he was upset because he thought my source was this feed from Twitter. This is one of the most “recent” accusations from Anton.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Dec 14, 2009 9:05 PM EST up reply actions
put words into my mouth?
when did I bring anything up about adding links to the comments? you don’t even know what you’re talking about…
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 14, 2009 9:05 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry but that’s what happens when you don’t know how to format properly or put a parenthetical next to a colon.
Anyways I was just making an observation that most of the comments I noticed were directed to material in the comment section. Can’t get too much into it right now And pardon me if none of this makes sense because I’m posting at a play.
Before I go, love your work Anton I just thought it fitting to play a strong devil’s advocate.
by John Nash on Dec 14, 2009 10:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
This is bull. Look through all my fan posts or shots, I always give credit to my sources if I can cite anything. Now, I have done it in the comments section before (I stopped doing it since people complained).
Look at the language you are using:
almost all of his "sources" is…
- So you are saying all of my sources are from Twitter (which is wrong BTW).
those who are nice enough to give tidbits, he doesn’t give credit to them..
3) Those that help me, I “NEVER GIVE CREDIT TO”.
There is so much BS you are saying. You don’t KNOW, you are guessing BASED on a few incidents and are trying to say I do it all the time, which is a complete LIE. Again, take the perctange of all the posts I have made and give me and prove it, instead of using words like “all” and “doesn’t give credit to them”.
This is sad man.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Dec 14, 2009 8:58 PM EST up reply actions
Seems kind of petty to me and more of a private issue then doing all this..
by TennesseeTopTeam on Dec 14, 2009 2:55 PM EST reply actions
publicity is the way copy-paste stuff gets out into the light. No one is getting lawyers involved on a blog post by a fan. Well, except for WAMMA.
Some people think I am a dumb, ugly human being, but really I am a beautiful ape, with exceptional verbal skills.
If that’s what it takes to prove it this is BS, so be it. I have yet to see anyone point out more than one or two incidents, which were corrected when someone reminded me.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Dec 14, 2009 9:01 PM EST up reply actions
Everyone keeps talking about plagerism
LOL…its on a fan post on a website…its essentially like yelling at someone because they don’t site their sources on chat forum. It would be different if he was on the staff, and what he said could be held against the site, but he’s just a random guy who post’s for fun on a MMA website. Don’t take it to seriously
by Fedorable on Dec 14, 2009 9:55 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
Nuff said
Rec’d like a mofo.
Mauricio Shogun Rua #1 LHW in the World. The TRUE Champion.
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Dec 15, 2009 8:55 AM EST up reply actions
Well
SBN still has rules for Fanshots/Fanposts. Perhaps you’re unaware of them because you don’t post them yourself, but they exist and have to be adhered to.
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
Moderators also have a set way of dealing with violators of said rules. Bannings, deletions, suspended accounts. Public scorning is not one of them.
Neither here nor there
That’s not the point Fedorable made/I addressed.
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
Maybe it should be?
Cite your sources—it’s what makes the internet work. Perhaps a public purple-nurple such as this will encourage somebody else to take the extra 30 seconds to include any necessary or relevant links in their posts and/or comments.
Fighting Area Control
If SuPreMaCy is in this much trouble,
I can’t even imagine what I’m in for.
by MMAInFeRioRiTy on Dec 15, 2009 12:02 AM EST reply actions
Hahaha..
You are my inverse, so good fortunes must be headed your way.
=)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Dec 15, 2009 12:22 AM EST up reply actions
For a moderator, this seems pretty out of hand. Both of you guys lose.
by NinjaCodah on Dec 15, 2009 12:17 AM EST reply actions 13 recs
Good thing for us that you're not allowed to moderate moderators
This shit has been over for like three days..
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
Being the lowest on the totem pole in the BE.com stable of superstars, I’m not surprised Anton would go after a bigger name like MMASuPrreMaCy, but this just reeks of desperation and jealousy. You can’t get over on a veteran babyface like Supe, everything you say is just ammo for him to fire back at you with his razor-sharp wit and charismatic mic-controlling ability. Nobody can take his place in the company. And don’t both trying to make it in the tag team circuit either, you’ll never take the belts off me and Leland “Smooth Operator” Roling.
Anton Tabuena = X-Pac of Bloodyelbow
MMASuPreMaCy = Still the People’s Champion
by smoogy2 on Dec 15, 2009 12:43 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
Too bad the other good contributors who left (voluntarily or otherwise) don’t make returns just to go out in a blaze of glory like this.
I can't be re-banned
I have the Money in the Bank contract!
by smoogy2 on Dec 15, 2009 1:10 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
^High-Quality Trash Talk
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Dec 15, 2009 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
“Reiben, pay attention. Now, this is the way to gripe. Continue, Jackson.”
—Saving Private Ryan, written by Robert Rodat, directed
by Steven Speilberg, produced by Amblin Entertainment,
distributed by Dreamworks
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
by Anthony Pace on Dec 15, 2009 9:30 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Call me names, but after the D-Day landing, I turn that movie off. Can’t stand that pablum.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Dec 16, 2009 1:26 AM EST up reply actions
Someone ban this man!
That movie forever changed the glorification of war in American cinema, along with Black Hawk Down
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
by Anthony Pace on Dec 16, 2009 1:38 AM EST up reply actions
I like BHD because I found it apolitical – just about getting the man next to you to safety. No larger message about war, just about the soldiers. I thought SPR was patriot-porn.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Dec 16, 2009 3:20 AM EST up reply actions
I'm gonna borrow that patriot porn line
And I’m going to cite you EVERY TIME by reciting the URL of this thread out loud.
Thank you...?
Is that a compliment?
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Dec 16, 2009 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
Only one way to settle this....
CAGE FIGHT!
We’ll use a white cage to make it fair for both parties.
And I think it only makes sense for Sup to not be able to use elbows (but he has the right to stomp or knee the head of a downed opponent.)
A true MMA fan from the great state of Arkansas.
by MMArazorback on Dec 21, 2009 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
I hate Dana White
for using public opinion whenever he and his fighters dont go along.
He could have been lying or saying the truth, employee relations are suppose to be dealt w/in closed doors. Then you move forward if it didnt work your way.
I know im new to the community, but this could have been handled better.
I am. I think. I will. - Ayn Rand
Wow
This is NOT MMA related. This seems very childish. If Sup plagiarized, take it up with him and the BE editors. This is just wrong.
Just another swinging dicks's .02:
You work for a news aggregating site. I like the site, because I know that I can come here and find if anything happened, rather than going to Sherdog AND MMA Weekly AND Sports Illustrated.
But c’mon. Sites like this and Huffington Post and Yahoo are killing journalism because they just recycle other outlet’s content without paying for it. And now you’re going to get high and mighty about fucking plagiarism?
For a guy who copy-and-pastes the MMA world’s tweets for a week and calls it a feature, that’s pretty ballsy. Now, I like that feature. It’s the only thing that’s saved me from having to get a Twitter account. But to then act like you’re Ben Bradlee protecting the integrity of the fourth estate as an institution is a bit of a stretch.
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Dec 15, 2009 11:27 AM EST reply actions 13 recs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plagiarism
If you don’t know the difference between what BE, and Yahoo are doing from simply copy pasting without crediting, maybe you should read up first before making intelligent comments here? okay? thanks.
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 15, 2009 6:54 PM EST up reply actions
Obviously he does understand the difference, and is simply drawing a parallel between plagiarism and news aggregation, which could both be viewed as parasitic.
by smoogy2 on Dec 15, 2009 7:03 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
I'm a paid journalist.
How ’bout you?
kthanxbai.
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Dec 15, 2009 7:39 PM EST up reply actions 9 recs
Anton
This is ridiculous, this has turned into a witch hunt, no one really gives to flying shits about what he did, We all found out some new info on the game…Dont you have Tweet Tweet to post so I can enjoy my tuesday??!?!?!?!?
by Chuntsman949 on Dec 15, 2009 3:44 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
True Dat!
A true MMA fan from the great state of Arkansas.
by MMArazorback on Dec 21, 2009 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
yea i believe this is all a bit silly but it just has a ridiculous and tedious way of citing source within the text.
by mr. gogoplata on Dec 17, 2009 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
If any commentator came after a staff member with this sort of childishness
would they get banned?
"All I guarantee is violence" - Wand
I know people call blogs echo chambers
But seriously, I think we get it..
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
Seriously? How pathetic do you have to be to try and take other peoples credit?
What a joke you are.
I'm still angry!
Give me something for free!
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
That actionbastard GIF above is pretty funny. That made me feel a little better.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Dec 16, 2009 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
ya got me!
Can i at least get a rec?
"In Russia, Hell goes to you!"
by actionbastard on Dec 16, 2009 6:16 PM EST up reply actions
Plagiarism sucks and all but seriously Anton, could you possibly be any more of a drama queen?
Go Leafs and Bruins!
by Brad Ackerson on Dec 16, 2009 9:08 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Shit! How did I end up at Sherdog?
Oh wait…. This is Bloodyelbow? Will all you grow up? I come here to avoid this stupid 6th grader bullshit.
by EnsignFrog on Dec 17, 2009 5:05 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
Hiiiiyooooooo!
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
by Anthony Pace on Dec 17, 2009 8:09 PM EST up reply actions
Two things...
MMASupremacy is absolutely and completely in the wrong on this this issue anyway.
Anton definitely went about “punishing” him in the wrong way. What the right way would have been I’m not entirely sure since even a temporary ban would have likely caused an uproar of “ban happy mods” and such.
As a side note, it can be tough making the transition from a member to a part of staff. Things have to handled differently, even if you don’t view yourself differently than you did before. This is a prime example of that kind of situation.
I’d hope both parties learn from this so that future situations don’t come up
Associate Writer - WindyCityGridiron.com
I wanna post in a dead thread too!
"Like a ballet of violence clothed in fine Brazilian silk." ~ MMASuPreMaCy
Correction
ZOMBIE thread.
"I’m sorry. I didn’t drink last night, so I’m not funny today."
-Sakuraba
by Blackout612 on Dec 22, 2009 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
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