Can the UFC Provide B.J. Penn With a Challenge at Lightweight?
B.J. Penn's dominating victory over what many fans considered to be the only legitimate challenge left in the weight class in Diego "Nightmare" Sanchez was one of the most impressive performances we've seen from Penn during his current reign as champion. Not only did his conditioning last against a high energy opponent like Diego Sanchez, but his vaunted striking game completely broke the mentally strong Sanchez as the fight progressed. Diego's telegraphed one-two combinations as he moved forward were his undoing in the striking department, and his takedown attempts were futile against the flexible and well-balanced B.J. Penn. If other fighters in the division had some sort of idea as to how to attack Penn in possible future bouts, Penn sent a scary message to anyone hoping to attain a shot at his belt.
One of the significant questions coming out of Penn's victory over Sanchez is who will actually challenge Penn in the future. The UFC's lightweight division doesn't offer too many challenges on paper at this point, especially after watching Penn completely dominate Sanchez. A lot of fans are throwing Frankie Edgar's name into the mix as he's been one of the more successful lightweight fighters, but Gray Maynard was able to defeat him. Both men are the only two fighters remaining in the USAT/SBN lightweight rankings' top ten with Edgar sitting at #5 and Maynard at #6. If the UFC actually pits either fighter against Penn in the future, he'll be one step closer to completely crushing every opponent in the UFC that resides in the top ten among lightweights in the world.
The next move would be for the UFC to begin looking outside of its walls to find a challenge for Penn. They've been able to inject some talent into the welterweight division, but can the same be done at 155? It's highly doubtful. Shinya Aoki is currently the only real fight for Penn, and while he's jockeying for a new contract in Japan with the potential to come stateside -- there is a very real possibility that Aoki is "talking the talk" in order to gain a bigger contract from DREAM.
Most fans believe Aoki wouldn't give B.J. Penn a challenge, and a lot of fans continue to push the point that Aoki would have problems with the top five lightweights in the UFC. I wouldn't disagree with that assessment as Aoki has deficiencies in his striking game, and B.J. Penn hasn't been taken down at lightweight since his bout with Takanori Gomi nearly six years ago. Interestingly enough, Gomi will also be a name that will be thrown into the talk, but he's dropped off substantially in performance over the course of his last few fights. At this point, I don't think Gomi could last more than two rounds with Penn.
Gomi would purely be an acquisition to capitalize off his past victories and fame, but it probably won't come to fruition as Gomi is likely asking for huge money for that past fame. He's nowhere near the fighter he once was, and Aoki would probably ask for big money as well. It's questionable whether the UFC would be willing to pay that out for a couple of fights that would see either top five UFC lightweights or Penn dominate.
What's left on the table? Penn has mentioned the fact that he will probably make a splash into the welterweight division again in the future. He may hold off and take on someone like Maynard, Edgar, or Florian for a second time, but after those victories -- the UFC will be in somewhat a tight spot in trying to find him challenging bouts. Will he simply sit on the shelf while the division works itself out? I don't think he will. There would have to be some significant acquisitions along with one of the acquisitions pulling off some incredible wins to gain a shot at Penn. I think fans would be waiting around for quite a long time if the UFC plans to do that.
Do fans want to see a GSP vs. Penn III? I'm sure Penn will be excited for the rematch, but I wonder if it's truly a compelling fight for fans since the second bout was a dominant performance for GSP. Would a catchweight be a better idea for that fight? Or should the UFC create match-ups at 170 like that of what Silva is doing in the light heavyweight division? That idea is a little more interesting, and the UFC might be able to eliminate some of the top guys from AKA in the mix for the title by justifying a Penn victory over a guy like Fitch or Swick.
The second possibility is the move up in weight of some of the WEC's elite fighters such as Mike Brown, Jose Aldo, or Urijah Faber. The WEC's lightweight class isn't too impressive, but Aldo's skill-set at 145 is very compelling. Great jiu-jitsu, impressive takedown defense, and wicked fast, powerful striking. That's a fight a lot of people would want to see.
A challenge will be tough for Penn to find at 155. I imagine he'll move up in weight for a few fights and there might be a possibility the UFC promotes GSP vs. Penn III in the future, but I don't see any other possibilities for Penn within the next year or two.
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Good stuff, man. Penn’s dominant performance capped off a great show. I hope that he stays at lightweight.
Agreed.
Please stay at LW, BJ.
I also don’t understand all the Edgar and Maynard hate. They deserve their title shots.
They're great fighters, but...
I don’t think either of them are even close to threats to Penn. BJ has possibly the best MMAjitsu and takedown defense I’ve ever seen. Both Edgar and Maynard have good hands, but Penn’s striking is on a level equivalent to GSP, JDS, and Machida (yeah, I said it).
Do you need to be a striker?
Sherk sorta screwed this up for everyone else. If there is any advantage against Penn it’s to try to pin him to the cage and wrestle him to the ground, not stand and strike. What Sherk did was stand in the middle of the ring for 2+ rounds hoping BJ would get tired of punching him in the face than he would attempt a takedown.
Taking down Penn is difficult but I think a fighter can cut off the ring and try to dirty box him for awhile and just hope if the fight does go to the ground to catch a lucky break.
I agree with those choices, since they both show the most potential. Unfortunately I think they are both still two years away.
Alvarez is probably the only LW who can offer anything to him standing
However, his chin simply would never hold up against BJ.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Dec 13, 2009 6:45 PM EST up reply actions
I think Eddie gets completely crushed in two rounds because he likes to come forward very similar to what Sanchez does. He offers better technical ability in his strikes, and he throws a lot of power. The problem is that he keeps his chin high, telegraphs his combinations, and BJ would have a counter-striking field day on his chin.
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by Leland Roling on Dec 13, 2009 6:47 PM EST up reply actions
Alvarez wont fight where there’s drug testing… this is not me saying it – This is Cofield stating it.
I don’t see how drug testing affect any fighter if they’re fighting in Nevada. When was the last time the NSAC tested an out of competition fighter? I don’t think they’ve done it one time this year for the UFC. And when they do test it is only the required pre-fight test, so if you can’t plan your cycle properly you aren’t to smart. The only fighters seemingly getting caught lately are in California and those are when they spring a test on a fighter, e.g., Barnett and Diaz (and of course Diaz skipped the test).
What’s his hang-up?
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by Scott C. Broussard on Dec 13, 2009 7:25 PM EST up reply actions
I would like to see super fights
for his next few bouts. Aldo, Brown, Faber, and even Torres. All could be under the UFC banner and it would give the WEC guys a nice payday, some face time with the big show, and some big time experience. The drawback is if/when they get crushed by Penn that could hurt their star power but it’s easy to get around that.
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...why?
I mean…what has he done to deserve a title shot simply by making the cut? Maynard and/or Edgar are 100x more qualified
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 13, 2009 6:39 PM EST up reply actions
Do fans want to see a GSP vs. Penn II?…UFC promotes GSP vs. Penn II in the future…
I think we’ve seen GSP/Penn II…?
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by Scott C. Broussard on Dec 13, 2009 6:28 PM EST reply actions
They dont seem to like the idea of Fitch vs GSP 2, so why not have BJ fight Fitch and eliminate a contender they dont want to push. Potentially setting up BJ vs GSP III. If BJ could win impressively theyre set, but thats a big if and if BJ loses Fitch will likely have gained enough of a push to warrent his 2nd title fight.
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Short answer to the question in the title. No.
I think Frankie Edgar probably has the best chance of anyone in the UFC, and Eddie Alvarez is the only guy I see outside of the UFC coming close.
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I think Penn vs. Aldo would make a pretty good fight. I’d pay for that one if they ever merged WEC/UFC.
I’d never pay for Maynard vs. Penn or Edgar vs. Penn though.
maynard penn and edgar penn are co main event fights at best u cant have bj headlining with people who only have a matt serras chance in the fight
don’t doubt the ufc hype machine. I’m sure DW would find a way of shoving one of those fights down our throats for 45.00 if nothing else is on the table.
by virginiatech on Dec 13, 2009 6:40 PM EST up reply actions
The only thing greater than watching BJ dish out the beatdowns is watching him take one.
BRING ON GSP!!!!
Keep firing Assholes!
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by Ubernoober on Dec 13, 2009 6:42 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I got it
Shane Mosely. Pacman and Mayweather aren’t going to do it, they’re going to make too much fighting each other ( plus Floyd would get killed by any mma fighter with that rolling shoulder defense leaving his lower half completely exposed). But Shane’s is looking for exposure and a good payday. And it would be easier for him to develop takedown defense with his power boxing style than other fighters. And with BJ he doesn’t have to worry about kicks. So if he can keep it standing it becomes a boxing match where I would give him the obvious advantage.
I would rather see him fight top contenders regardless of whether or not people think they are a big challenge to him because sometimes there are upsets and if not they tend to show new facets of the champions greatness.
I think this fight is a great example of that. Diego posed no real challenge but doesnt everyone now think BJ Penn is better than they did before the event?
I agree
This wasn’t an issue when Hughes or Chuck were a dominate champs. There were a few title defenses with serious questions marks about the challenger. It drove home the point that this guy’s the champ. Also, it never hurt my interest in buying the PPV. I still wanted to see great fighters fight, like I did this weekend with BJ Penn.
Why not BJ vs Anderson Silva?
I mean he wouldnt try to take him Penn down or anything. Lets see how good BJs striking really is.
BJ’s next fight will be in Hawaii so the Aoki fight makes the most sense even though BJ would be heavily favored.
The problem with Aoki is he will lose and he probably wont be able to beat a “Diego” type either… so He’ll be worth his asking price for the first fight but not the second and definitely not the 3rd.
Whether Aoki is signed or not will come down to whether he puts his abilities where his mouth is – but if he wants high guarantees for a longer duration contract – win or lose he most likely wont be signed.
People falsely assume even if Aoki gets BJ down – which is highly unlikely when much better wrestlers cant – he has a shot at submitting penn… BJ will take Aoki’s rubber guard and slap the shit out of him with it.
In my view BJ has 2 more fights at 155 (Aoki if he gets signed and Maynard if he emerges as a clear #1 contender) and then BJ should move up and fight the 170lb contender for a shot at GSP.
I hope he gets Aoki too,
but I really doubt that it happens.. I think Leland is right and that it’s all just negotiating tactics again..
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 13, 2009 6:55 PM EST up reply actions
It all depends on where Dream is… and if Dream and Strikeforce can come up with a decent contract for him.
His people have already contacted Zuffa and the real negotiations will start after the new year.
I think Kawajiri would have more success in the UFC than Aoki though.
maybe..
but Aoki vs Penn would be a bigger fight than Kawajiri/Penn.. I think it would have the same result though..
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 13, 2009 7:30 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, Im not saying BJ vs Kawajiri… Im just saying Kawajiri in the LW division would be a good addition.
BJ vs Aoki would be the money fight in Hawaii.
and don't be playing with people's emotions with that negotiations talk..
hahaha. Hopefully it isn’t just a fedor-esque cocktease..
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 13, 2009 7:31 PM EST up reply actions
People falsely assume even if Aoki gets BJ down – which is highly unlikely when much better wrestlers cant – he has a shot at submitting penn.
Assuming BJ didnt land the KO blow early Aoki would get BJ to the ground……Im confident of that. Aoki has too many ways of getting the fight to the mat. Once there, of course Aoki has a shot at submitting him. Its silly to think otherwise. Sure, its a tough ask and off the back of his recent fights BJ would deserve to be a solid favourite but Aoki is is a dangerous opponent for anybody.
Aoki subbing BJ? are you fucking kidding me…. Aoki has no shot at submitting BJ – BJ doesnt get submitted.
His credentials are on a different level and way better than aoki’s. BJ will take Aoki’s rubber guard and bitch slap him back to japan.
Out of all the top Light Weights Aoki has the least chance of beating Penn from a stylistic point of view.
How?
How does Aoki get BJ to the ground?
He can butt-scoot all night long, but I don’t see Aoki getting BJ to the ground.
BJ has the better wrestling. BJ’s great in the clinch, so I doubt Aoki would have much luck w/ Judo throws. And pulling guard?
Seriously, how do you see it going to the ground?
Well it wouldnt be a single leg takedown, that Im sure of. Look at all Aokis fights. Look at all the ways he has taken the fight to the ground. Pick one. Seriously. Aoki will want no business standing with BJ. He was scared of standing with Alvarez and with definately be scared to stand with BJ. Aoki wil pull guard, pull the Koala style front hug, or use any other method of taking them both to the ground whether that means he lands on top or on the bottom.
Well, unless Aoki secret initials are “GSP,” no way in hell he takes BJ down w/ a single leg. Obviously, Aoki wouldn’t want to stand and trade w/ BJ. But I don’t think he’d have a choice.
Florian and Diego both have better wrestling than Aoki — and neither of them got even close to a TD.
GSP Re-Rematch
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please no.
Not unless Penn can move up in weight the right way so he actually has a 170er’s muscle mass and cardio to go with it.
by virginiatech on Dec 13, 2009 7:00 PM EST up reply actions
Maynard is gonna lose to nate diaz again so forget about him. To be honest we should just feeding Penn top lightweight guys. Everyone seems to believe his skill set is at a galactic level so there is no point in trying to arrange a challenger that will have a advantage over him. Lets put it this way let him fight GSP again or leave him at lightweight. I don’t see a problem with Penn ruining every lightweight in the ufc’s dream for the next couple of years because………
when he beats some1 he is far superior to its not boring like this

by mr. gogoplata on Dec 13, 2009 7:01 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Move on up BJ
It’s time to move up.
Gray Maynard will not take BJ down and will get absolutely picked apart on the feet.
Frankie Edgar will get taken down easily (see Matt Veach) and on the feet, does not have nearly the same level of boxing, power, or speed that BJ has.
Shinya Aoki, doubtful that he will ever even fight in the States, is way too one-dimensional, has far too weak a chin that BJ will easily exploit.
Eddie Alvarez, if the UFC can ever sign him is probably the best matchup but I see his striking easily being countered by BJ and he is susceptible to submissions
The only logical solution is to have BJ move up to 170 to fight Fitch, and/or Alves before he gets another shot at GSP.
I don't think BJ will take Edgar down..
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 13, 2009 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
don't move up
BJ should stay a lightweight. hope he doesn’t move up.
by Carmen Keller on Dec 14, 2009 1:42 AM EST up reply actions
Frank Edgar is definitely not the answer
What could he possibly do to BJ? It would just be a straight-up boxing match. At least Maynard has some good takedowns. If he gets past Nate Diaz, not sure how they can deny him a title shot.
maynard wont get past diaz don’t believe the hype
by mr. gogoplata on Dec 14, 2009 3:35 AM EST up reply actions
Gomi-Diaz 2
This would be the fight. It would best in the UFC, because they have the video of Gomi-Diaz 1 fight from ‘The Second Coming’ . That alone would sell the fight to anyone.
Short answer: No.
While Maynard and Edgar are deserving of title shots, stylistically, BJ rips them apart. They would need a big name LW that BJ hasn’t beaten up yet, and there’s none left in the UFC right now. It wouldm’t be worth the money to bring in Gomi for that one fight, and I also don’t think Aoki will come stateside. It also wouldn’t be worth it to start feeding him 145lbers either. Just let him vacate the title and make a proper return to the WW division.
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