UFC 107: Penn vs. Sanchez Post-Fight Recap and Analysis
by Mike Fagan on Dec 13, 2009 1:08 AM EST
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-B.J. Penn is scary good. Penn made Diego Sanchez's face look like a Diaz brother by the end of this fight. Sanchez offered no threat to B.J. at any point during the bout. With no obvious contender waiting in the wings, it will be interesting to see who Dana White and Joe Silva find for Penn to fight.
-Three things jumped out to me in the final round of the main event. One, Joe's use of the phrase "calm as glass". Perhaps I'm a lowly philistine, but I'm unfamiliar with that bit of jargon. Two, B.J. Penn threw a high kick. I can't remember him ever doing that in the past. Three, B.J. bitch slapped Diego sometime in the middle of the round when Diego latched on to a single.
-Alan Belcher may have the worst taste in MMA. Pink shorts. Awful Johnny Cash tattoo. And then the Urijah Faber white-rows. Ew.
-Call me a hater, but I'm still not entirely sold on Frank Mir as a legitimate heavyweight threat. That being said, the performance was impressive. The punch didn't look to rock Kongo as much as catch him off guard, and Frank was able to secure the guillotine in the ensuing scramble. From there, Kongo moved or was forced to move the wrong way to defend the choke, and that was all she wrote.
-Fitch/Pierce went as anyone could have expected. Pierce looked good in defeat, especially in the third round, but Fitch was just too big and too experienced for him.
-For a guy with as much energy as Clay Guida, he sure takes forever to takes his gear off and get in the cage.
-Can someone be unpredictable when their corner is screaming, "I need unpredictability!"
-Guida burping will go down as a legendary MMA gif.
-Kenny did exactly what I thought he needed to do to beat Clay. Use footwork to maintain distance and pepper Clay with strikes. Fantastic execution of a very smart gameplan.
-Clay gets beat up and subbed, gets up, and runs around. Something's wrong with this guy.
-First thing I thought when I saw Buentello was that he did not look to be in shape. I think that's what ultimately lost him the fight.
-Mid-way during the third round I noted that Struve doesn't seem to make full use of his size. He stood right in front of Buentello well within striking distance of the Headhunter. Mike Goldberg's next comment? "Struve does a good job keeping his opponent at distance!" Huh?
-Final thought. Dear fighters, please stop touching gloves mid-fight. I don't care that you guys are excited about punching each other. It's lame.
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Kongo moved the correct way to defend the choke. Frank had his leg grapevined which stopped Kongo from going all the way to side control (which would have nullified the choke), it was the right move by Kongo but Mir was just way way way ahead of him and grapevined Kongo’s outside leg to stop the motion.
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by AboveThisFire on Dec 13, 2009 1:13 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
That leg sealed the deal for Frank.
When he set his toe, it was all over but the sleeping.
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by duck on Dec 13, 2009 1:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m fairly sure you’re supposed to move your body to the opposite side of the choking arm.
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by Mike Fagan on Dec 13, 2009 3:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yea, i think you want to move so your neck will be against their body or between the body and crook of the arm and not allow their arm to get in there directly onto your throat and put pressure on the neck
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by JeremyShane on Dec 13, 2009 11:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ideally you are, but the cage blocked that route along with Frank having that second leg to create a barrier, if the leg on the side you’re moving to isn’t trapped and can block you into an open half guard type situation then you have to go to the open side, as long as you can establish side control you’ll be ok from the choke and your head will start sliding out. Kongo moved the right way in that situation but Mir was aware of it and stayed ahead of him.
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by AboveThisFire on Dec 13, 2009 12:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought Pierce won rounds 2 and 3
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by lovingmma25 on Dec 13, 2009 1:15 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Me too. Pierce was more accurate and landed a lot of punches in R2.
Chieck Kongo should be kicking himself… I wonder what the hell they do over there at Wolfslair, because clearly watching tape on opponents isn’t part of their preparation. Mir has two good punches, his left cross and his right uppercut, so naturally Kongo throws his hands down on a feint and then gets blasted by… a left cross. Credit to Mir for quickly turning the knockdown into a submission, but that was a facepalm moment for Kongo, he just wandered into Mir’s KO pattern
by smoogy2 on Dec 13, 2009 1:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I scored 2 for Pierce too. The jab was landing the whole round, Rogan and Goldberg are so blind to jabs it’s beyong annoying to me.
by Michael Rome on Dec 13, 2009 1:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Unless...
it’s coming from the heavy favorite. If Penn, Anderson, GSP or someone like that throws so much as a glancing jab it is met with a “great jab”
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 13, 2009 1:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You’re asking a lot, you know, expecting the play by play commentary crew to do actual play by play. But if Pierce had landed a huge head-snapper that everyone in the arena could see, you could’ve counted on Goldie to scream “OHHHH!!!!!” without describing at all what is going on.
Excuse me while I go punch a wall.
by smoogy2 on Dec 13, 2009 2:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s the problem they don’t really do play by play… instead they talk about a fighters ingrown toenail and the last time they took a shit.
Focus grouping brought us the “edsall” (a shitty car) and thus it has brought us this.
I think Mir does the best play by play and doesn’t get in the way of the actual fights in the WEC.
Unfortunately the casuals prefer Rogan and Goldberg talking about a fighters nail polish instead.
by mmalogic on Dec 13, 2009 2:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The best play by play guys in MMA are Lon McEachern, Gus Johnson and Michael Schiavello (his only redeeming quality). Because all of them make a concerted effort to play the role, instead of just spouting a never-ending stream of meaningless stats and retarded platitudes like Goldberg does.
Mir, like Rogan, has his utility as an expert on submissions and grappling in general, but he isn’t even in a play-by-play role, and he shares another quality with Rogan: he picks sides and then cheerleads one fighter’s offense while ignoring the opposition. Todd Harris is an empty suit, but at least he doesn’t try to overpower everything Goldie-style.
I think they need to move Goldie to a “host” type role, possibly with a studio/desk type setup like in other sports, to minimize the damage he can do. With the addition of the Spike prelims, this idea can work. They dish off all the promo duties to Goldie at certain segments, and let Rogan and a real play by play man focus on the fights. Over-using buzzwords like EXPLOSIVE and RELENTLESS isn’t going to work forever, we need more nuts and bolts MMA talk… you know, like a real sport.
Unfortunately, this is the kind of stuff most MMA fans don’t seem to give much a shit about, despite being heavily BIZ-related. Hopefully our vocal minority can whine enough about the problem that finally solve it.
by smoogy2 on Dec 13, 2009 2:59 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Mir, like Rogan, has his utility as an expert on submissions and grappling in general
He calls the whizzer “The Wizard”.
by George Lucas on Dec 13, 2009 3:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately, this is the kind of stuff most MMA fans don’t seem to give much a shit about, despite being heavily BIZ-related. Hopefully our vocal minority can whine enough about the problem that they finally solve it.
by smoogy2 on Dec 13, 2009 3:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Gus sucks… but you have a point. Unfortunately the market is not ready for real play by play. They are ready for mentioning the highlights in a fight inbetween the talk about what bra size fighter A wears versus fighter B.
I’d like Couture back on the mic because Rogun’s insights pales in comparison to Mir’s and Coutures.
If people can stomach his flavor I think Mauro is the best at play by play as he describes everything that’s happening in a fight.
Play by play was invented and a necessity because of Radio and it has lost its importance with the advent of TV. Right now insight and analysis of whats going on and what needs to happen (Mir’s, ROgans, and Coutures role) is much more important.
My problem is some of these guys including Rogan just get in the way of the fights instead of enhancing them with insight.
by mmalogic on Dec 13, 2009 3:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
When I watch hockey I turn on the radio and mute the TV. Its more coherent, less repetitive, more descriptive and has more emotion.
I dislike Matt Hughes. Shogun beat him like a dirty horse.
by MonkeyCHops on Dec 13, 2009 3:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The dream team in my books would be:
Mauro, The Voice and Couture.
However both Mauro and The Voice have to know that Couture has power of veto, meaning that if they use too many superlative then Couture gets to dirty box them.
I dislike Matt Hughes. Shogun beat him like a dirty horse.
by MonkeyCHops on Dec 13, 2009 3:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That would be like having an NBA frontline of Zach Randolph, Eddy Curry and Tim Duncan. It might sound good on paper, but it would be an unmitigated disaster in reality.
by smoogy2 on Dec 13, 2009 3:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Having Zach Randolph and Eddy Curry on your frontline does not sound good on paper.
by hlebtasic on Dec 13, 2009 3:34 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
mauro+schiavello might be a bit much but please pair one of them with someone with some knowledge/pedigree
I dislike Matt Hughes. Shogun beat him like a dirty horse.
by MonkeyCHops on Dec 13, 2009 3:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My dream team table would be:
Kenny Florian, Pat Miletich and The Voice. I think you have a nice mix of personality while you’d get two guys to analyze the fight very well for you and Schiavello’s over the top excitement.
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by achengy on Dec 13, 2009 4:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd be okay with..
..Edith and Arianne, calling the action from a big ring of mud.
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by Ozzz on Dec 13, 2009 4:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i’d buy tickets for Arriany’s mud ring
by Grappo on Dec 14, 2009 10:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
Give him a desk that looks like its far away and let him talk to retired fighters.
Seriously there are thousands of talented play by play guys all over the English speaking world who would love that kind of chance and would beat Goldbergs knowledge with a weekend course.
I dislike Matt Hughes. Shogun beat him like a dirty horse.
by MonkeyCHops on Dec 13, 2009 3:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
And then you use the desk (or whatever) to bring along the fighter/commentators like Couture and Jens Pulver. Hell, maybe even do it in conjunction with ESPN with Jon Anik roving around doing interviews. You can insert a 5 minute “Around the UFC” segment between fights on the PPV. It would really help separate the hype bullshit from the fights.
by smoogy2 on Dec 13, 2009 3:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Goldie is not the problem… He acts dumb by design. You could flip a switch and he’ll do whatever you want.
Rogan says stupid shit and gets lost in tangents when he’s actually supposed to be saying something smart. That’s the problem. He gets lost in his head with all the drugs he does and he misses action by a few seconds because he’s trying to complete his thought about how aliens came here 2 billion years ago and created man.
by mmalogic on Dec 13, 2009 3:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The voices in his head do have a good point.
I dislike Matt Hughes. Shogun beat him like a dirty horse.
by MonkeyCHops on Dec 13, 2009 3:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It was comical and heartbreaking to see Goldie so proud of himself as he continually announced that he knew the difference between Florian’s Muay Thai and Florian’s Boxing. “that’s welch right there”. I mean you can say it once and it’s fine, but repeating it and then talking about it during the replay…c’mon dude. Enough with the self-congratulation.
And then whenever they say something like BJ’s quick hands and then BJ knocks him down, they always do this “it’s just like we were saying!!!” As if they’re trying to convince their boss that they’re good at their job.
But I admit I do like Rogan.
by Dooda on Dec 13, 2009 4:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Goldie is pre-programmed. He has his standard 10 phrases that you’re going to get for all fights, and then he has the things that he will say about every fighter regardless of what is actually happening. With Florian he was going to talk about the elbows and Welch, with Struve it was going to be about him using his reach, with Diego he was going to talk about mean face all night…
Mike’s best moment all evening was just telling the simple story about Buentello’s wife getting a job with the airline and making his life better because he can go between training and home for cheaper.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 13, 2009 9:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why don’t they flip the switch and have him, I don’t know, tell a story instead of just shouting catch phrases?
The idea that people believe Mike Goldberg is some fight sport genius, but just dumbs it down for the troglodytes in the viewing audience is mindboggling to me.
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by Mike Fagan on Dec 13, 2009 9:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not a big fan of Goldy but I will admit I found him witty and genuinely likable when he hosted the UFC 100 fighter Q&A and weigh-ins. He does go into robot mode when he is on the mic but I think he’d be a fun guy just to hang out with and talk to.
The only thing Jon Jones does better than Matt Hamill is hear.
(And smash faces)
by ufc4 on Dec 13, 2009 9:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not saying the guy can’t be funny or entertaining in his personal life. I’m saying he’s godawful at his job, and he’s shown me nothing that would hint that this is some sort of high-level Bush II dumbing down of himself.
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by Mike Fagan on Dec 13, 2009 10:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Gus is godawful.
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by Mike Fagan on Dec 13, 2009 3:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
^^^
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by Farthammer on Dec 13, 2009 8:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
very annoying how they missed all of Pierce’s jabs – he clearly damaged Fitch in the standup almost as bad as GSP did
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by lovingmma25 on Dec 13, 2009 2:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
is your LOL b/c GSP’s standup is not that great so I kinda put out an oxymoron
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by lovingmma25 on Dec 13, 2009 2:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you either didn’t watch tonight’s fight, or didn’t watch GSP/Fitch. Or both. There’s really no comparison to be made.
by George Lucas on Dec 13, 2009 2:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I watched both fights mind you and the comparison is based on the amount of damage inflicted to Fitch from the standup
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by lovingmma25 on Dec 13, 2009 2:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
GSP absolutely destroyed Fitch. Pierce only briefly came close.
by George Lucas on Dec 13, 2009 2:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you’re right if Pierce had two more rounds he would have finished Fitch
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by lovingmma25 on Dec 13, 2009 2:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If Diego had 9 more rounds and 2 more arms he would have finished BJ
I dislike Matt Hughes. Shogun beat him like a dirty horse.
by MonkeyCHops on Dec 13, 2009 2:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
or maybe at least get a single leg.
I dislike Matt Hughes. Shogun beat him like a dirty horse.
by MonkeyCHops on Dec 13, 2009 2:34 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
funny. actually felt bad for diego.
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by crinow on Dec 13, 2009 8:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You must be related to Pierce or something. He took way more damage in the GSP fight. It’s hardly worth debating.
by shortnorthjacket on Dec 13, 2009 2:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fitch Post-GSP
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by themachiavellian on Dec 13, 2009 2:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Let kicks don't count, he won that fight.
-Cecil Peoples
I dislike Matt Hughes. Shogun beat him like a dirty horse.
by MonkeyCHops on Dec 13, 2009 2:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No one could take anything seriously at that post fight press conference. He kept winking.
Not that I condone facism or any ism for that matter. Isms are in my opinion, not good. A person shouldn't believe in an ism, he should believe in himself.
I quote John Lennon, "I don't believe in Beatles, I just believe in me". Good point there, after all he was the walrus. I could be the walrus. Wouldn't change the fact I have to bum rides off of people.
by SamCupitt on Dec 13, 2009 5:18 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
^he said
Not that I condone facism or any ism for that matter. Isms are in my opinion, not good. A person shouldn't believe in an ism, he should believe in himself.
I quote John Lennon, "I don't believe in Beatles, I just believe in me". Good point there, after all he was the walrus. I could be the walrus. Wouldn't change the fact I have to bum rides off of people.
by SamCupitt on Dec 13, 2009 5:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why do people forget GSP’s standup.
How did it look vs Alves?
How did it look vs Penn?
I dislike Matt Hughes. Shogun beat him like a dirty horse.
by MonkeyCHops on Dec 13, 2009 2:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
from what i remember from these two fights is GSP fighting a smart fight and not letting these guys stay on their feet- he out wrassled em
by oousty on Dec 13, 2009 2:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he has taken this approach ever since his lose to serra
by oousty on Dec 13, 2009 2:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Except he owned the standing for both those fights.
I dislike Matt Hughes. Shogun beat him like a dirty horse.
by MonkeyCHops on Dec 13, 2009 2:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
His standup is what makes his takedowns so good.
Guillotine.
by iiowyn on Dec 13, 2009 2:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hmmm…both points you guys make are good but debatable- I still havent seen the amazing stand up that you both see from him since serra knocked him silly…Listen – GSP may be the most intelligent fighter in MMA- he has learned not to put himself in bad situations (kind of like mayweather in boxing)…but what I see is him using his size advantage against penn and his wrestling ability against alves to nullify their stand up skills
by oousty on Dec 13, 2009 3:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Watch again, GSP has world class standup.
I dislike Matt Hughes. Shogun beat him like a dirty horse.
by MonkeyCHops on Dec 13, 2009 3:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
imo anderson silva is world class standup…GSP is a world class wrestler with a solid stand up…but i guess we will have respectfully disagree
by oousty on Dec 13, 2009 3:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If the standard for world class is Anderson silva, then yes I agree. GSP’s standup is not as good as Andy’s. It is as good as almost anybody elses in the world.
by hlebtasic on Dec 13, 2009 3:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Anderson has probably the best standup in MMA as it related to MMA but GSP is clearly near the top.
However GSP is to takedowns/ground control what Anderson is the striking so this gets lost.
I dislike Matt Hughes. Shogun beat him like a dirty horse.
by MonkeyCHops on Dec 13, 2009 3:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No. Anderson is an elite MMA striker. BJ is more world class striker and GSP is like Elite striker subdivision-yet-still-mostly-awesome.
by Dooda on Dec 13, 2009 4:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd put BJ in the elite striking class...
it’s not just bluster to say he has the best boxing in MMA. His handspeed is nuts, his head movement when he’s being thrown at is beautiful, his power is great…etc
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 13, 2009 9:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
His handspeed is nuts, his head movement when he’s being thrown at is beautiful, his power is great…etc
Sounds like Anderson Silva.
The only thing Jon Jones does better than Matt Hamill is hear.
(And smash faces)
by ufc4 on Dec 13, 2009 10:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Right...
similar…but less flashy.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 13, 2009 10:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"Like a ballet of violence clothed in fine Brazilian silk." ~ MMASuPreMaCy
by Benicio on Dec 13, 2009 6:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That I think shows why GSP is so good. He might be the best at integrating different motions together. Right there it is the fake leg kick into superman punch which BJ falls for, and against Alves he was weaving strikes and takedowns together beautifully.
Guillotine.
by iiowyn on Dec 13, 2009 10:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But that's not a superman punch.
That’s a superman jab.
That’s some hot shit right there.
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by Ozzz on Dec 13, 2009 4:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
A jab is punch. It is however a smoking hot punch.
Guillotine.
by iiowyn on Dec 13, 2009 9:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I never tire of that Gif. After seeing BJ completely demoralize Sanchez makes me realize just how unreal he was against BJ.
FTR, I do think that BJ should get another shot at BJ though. Not yet, and he should have to beat Kos or Fitch (Dana could reward him for beating Fitch).
by Dooda on Dec 13, 2009 8:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
booo for posting that twice.
Kimbo wants to take your caterpiller and do bad things to it.
by Mr.Kib on Dec 13, 2009 2:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If BJ takes on GSP again would you do the maple syrup bet again?
Keep firing Assholes!
Fedor has accomplished nothing until he fights Kimbo.
by Ubernoober on Dec 13, 2009 1:20 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I will bet my Igloo on GSP.
I dislike Matt Hughes. Shogun beat him like a dirty horse.
by MonkeyCHops on Dec 13, 2009 2:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The other person would have to try to eat a pig’s worth of Canadian bacon in one sitting.
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by Mike Fagan on Dec 13, 2009 3:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What size of pig?
I dislike Matt Hughes. Shogun beat him like a dirty horse.
by MonkeyCHops on Dec 13, 2009 3:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But that's only if GSP loses...
So I would take you on. MMM bacon.
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by achengy on Dec 13, 2009 4:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wait, so if I win Fagan has to chug syrup, and if I lose I get to eat bacon? What’s the down side? ;)
Guillotine.
by iiowyn on Dec 13, 2009 10:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Clogged arteries?
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by Mike Fagan on Dec 13, 2009 10:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bah, science will fix that.
Guillotine.
by iiowyn on Dec 13, 2009 10:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What do you do with BJ
I mean there are very few fights that make sense in the LW division that is. Me personally I would love to see BJ fight Hughes once more or possibly a catchweight type affair with Kos. Rome said somthing about Aldo I would pay to see that.
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by Dmerit on Dec 13, 2009 1:21 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I would rather see BJ fight all the best LWs in the world. Unfortunately, the majority of the ones left are in other promotions and as we know, the UFC doesn’t co-promote.
I just don’t see the value in having BJ go up in weight and fight a past-his-prime Hughes or be horribly under-sized against a Koscheck or Fitch. Aldo is possibility but I don’t think he is ready for BJ just yet.
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by MyFistYourFace on Dec 13, 2009 1:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The value is that he can probably beat an oversized Koscheck or Fitch.
by hlebtasic on Dec 13, 2009 1:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And as soon as BJ loses to one of those guys he will be criticized as over-rated and having no business fighting at a weight above LW. Then what?
He goes back to LW and destroys a few more Zuffa-made prospects that are magically ranked in the top 10.
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by MyFistYourFace on Dec 13, 2009 1:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Magically ranked in the top ten? What?
by Michaelthebox on Dec 13, 2009 2:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And the LW’s in Japan aren’t manufactured?
You trippin’.
by MickDawg on Dec 13, 2009 3:21 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
The are head and shoulders above any UFC LWs.
Seriously/S, way too many people in the UFC have lost to Sean Sherk or people who have lost to him.
This in turn invalidates the size difference they have over non UFC LWs as well as any other differences.
/S
I dislike Matt Hughes. Shogun beat him like a dirty horse.
by MonkeyCHops on Dec 13, 2009 3:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You guys still hype Hansen like he’s relevant.
He’s 6-6 his last 12 in his own weight class.
Aoki is the best guy? He’s so 1-dimensional, it’s not even funny.
He wouldn’t beat Florian or Sanchez.
Bring back Marcus Aurelio. He would nullify Aoki.
LW’s come to the UFC with 6-0, 10-1 records all the time.
If anybody with that record goes to Japan and gets 2 wins in a row, they’re hyped as possible contenders and how it would be a good matchup versus Penn.
Those type of guys need to get a few wins in the UFC before they’re even considered relevant in the UFC’s LW division.
Look at Kikuno, Kitaoka. Talk about overhyped.
The LW’s in Japan are generally undersized. They’re smart to stay in Japan and steer clear of the UFC’s strong wrestlers and diverse mix of talent.
Recently, look at David Baron. He beats up on Mach Sakurai.
He goes into the UFC immediately after and gets submitted by Jim Miller.
That gets conveniently ignored all the time.
Japanese LW’s are no better than the UFC’s…
Just like the MW’s…
Just like the LHW’s…
Just like the HW’s…
People need to start realizing it.
by MickDawg on Dec 13, 2009 5:01 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Baron is a poor example for your argument, since A.) He was a welterweight before joining the UFC, B) He’s fought in Japan a total of twice in his whole career, and C) He has two wins over the current #1 UFC welterweight contender.
by George Lucas on Dec 13, 2009 7:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s reference.
He beat up a guy who destroyed Aoki not too long after.
Being “powerful” in Japan doesn’t translate over to the US that easily.
If Baron was “good”, he would have moved over to the UFC’s WW division, but he didn’t.
And yes…all it takes it 2 fights in Japan to be considered “good”. Melendez did it with 1.
No example is exactly the same, but I don’t see how you can discredit it completely.
by MickDawg on Dec 13, 2009 4:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You can discredit it completely because it doesn’t make a lot of sense.
David Baron beat Hayato Sakurai at welterweight, not lightweight. Sakurai was essentially done competing at lightweight at that point.
Sakurai subsequently beat Aoki at welterweight, not lightweight. Aoki is primarily a lightweight fighter.
All this suggests, if you’re going by MMAth, is that David Baron is probably a better fighter at welterweight than Shinya Aoki.
by JRN on Dec 13, 2009 6:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So
What about Gomi who was ranked number 1 for several years? He’s the one grossly overrated, not the UFC LWs.. Especially not BJ Penn.
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 13, 2009 5:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You have to remember, there was a 3 year span where BJ wasn’t even fighting at lightweight. For all intents and purposes, he had left the division.
From 2003-2007, PRIDE was the only home for lightweights, and Gomi was certainly king.
by George Lucas on Dec 13, 2009 7:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And when he fought UFC talent
Like Nick Diaz, he gets submitted.
And even Aurelio, who can’t even survive in the UFC.
by MickDawg on Dec 13, 2009 4:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s really neat how you’re trying to use the fact that fighters aren’t as good as they used to be as some kind of evidence in the pointless and tired UFC vs. PRIDE slapfight.
by George Lucas on Dec 13, 2009 5:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ridiculous
Last I checked, Gomi was still top dog during those 2 losses.
It’s tiring to hear that BJ Penn should leave the UFC in order to fight “top” guys in Japan.
There are as many challenges for Penn in the UFC, as there are outside of the org.
Meaning: Zero.
by MickDawg on Dec 13, 2009 6:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And when he fought UFC talent
Like Nick Diaz, he gets submitted.
Again, Diaz is a welterweight. You can infer from the Diaz/Gomi fight that a mid-level UFC welterweight is better than the top Japanese lightweight, or that Diaz could have been a top lightweight in Japan (since the PRIDE limit was 160 lbs.), but not that UFC talent > Japan-based talent in general.
And even Aurelio, who can’t even survive in the UFC.
Aurelio couldn’t exactly “survive” in PRIDE either, since he left the organization on the heels of back-to-back losses to Ishida and Gomi.
by JRN on Dec 13, 2009 6:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Again, Diaz is a welterweight. You can infer from the Diaz/Gomi fight that a mid-level UFC welterweight is better than the top Japanese lightweight, or that Diaz could have been a top lightweight in Japan (since the PRIDE limit was 160 lbs.), but not that UFC talent > Japan-based talent in general.
Diaz fought Gomi at LW in that fight, didn’t he?
He fought a few more “Lightweight” fights in Strikeforce didn’t he?
You can’t just arbitrarily choose which division he’s “supposed” to be in when it fits your argument.
Sherk, Sanchez fought the majority of their UFC career in UFC’s WW division…if they were to fight and beat Gomi, where would you put them? That they’re UFC’s WW talent?
Aurelio beat no top guys in the UFC, but he managed to choke out Gomi. He should’ve been Pride champion.
Maybe you’re right…that he’s not UFC or Pride talent, but the fact remains that he beat Pride’s top guy, and couldn’t beat any of the UFC’s top 10.
by MickDawg on Dec 13, 2009 8:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Diaz fought Gomi at LW in that fight, didn’t he?
He fought a few more "Lightweight" fights in Strikeforce didn’t he?
Yes and yes, but you referred to him as “UFC talent.” He was only ever UFC talent at WW. His lightweight fights were all at 160, a division with no UFC equivalent. So if the comparison is between the UFC’s lightweight division and Japan’s, Nick Diaz has no place in it.
Sherk, Sanchez fought the majority of their UFC career in UFC’s WW division…if they were to fight and beat Gomi, where would you put them? That they’re UFC’s WW talent?
I’d call them LW talent if they did it now, and WW talent if they did it before they dropped. Is that so complicated?
Aurelio beat no top guys in the UFC, but he managed to choke out Gomi. He should’ve been Pride champion.
In which case he would have lost the title to Ishida, who would have lost it to Gomi again after Gomi beat Aurelio in a rematch. So what’s the difference?
Maybe you’re right…that he’s not UFC or Pride talent, but the fact remains that he beat Pride’s top guy, and couldn’t beat any of the UFC’s top 10.
All true, but you can’t leave out that he also lost his next two fights to Ishida and Gomi. Aurelio beating someone of Gomi’s caliber in Japan is the exception, not the rule.
by JRN on Dec 14, 2009 12:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Gomi was ranked #1 by a few sites until he lost to
Sergey Golyaev on November of 2008… Despite losses to BJ Penn, Hansen, Diaz and Aurelieo, and looking unimpressive on what was supposed to be “squash” fights after he lost to diaz, he still was ranked number 1 until then.. If anyone thinks that he wasn’t overrated, then……
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 13, 2009 6:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well jeez, Anton, the losses to Penn and Hansen were in 2003, he avenged the loss to Aurelio (and also beat Ishida, who beat Aurelio in Aurelio’s next fight after beating Gomi), and the Diaz fight was changed to an NC (on flimsy grounds, I admit, but some people don’t like to count official NCs as wins). It really wasn’t crazy at all to have Gomi at #1 at the time.
by JRN on Dec 14, 2009 12:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
way too many people in the UFC have lost to Sean Sherk
Every japanese fighter would lose to Sean Sherk. He would blanket every one of them (when he was healthy).
Aoki wouldnt even last a round with BJ penn. Let’s not kid ourselves. Shit Hermes Franca would beat the living shit out of aoki and he cant even make it in the UFC.
Marcus Auriellio was thought to be the best and couldnt do shit when he came into the UFC.
Kawajiri would do well… But I dont see anyone who would be top 3 in the UFC.
by mmalogic on Dec 13, 2009 6:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
“Shit Hermes Franca would beat the living shit out of aoki and he cant even make it in the UFC.”
Wat?
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by Mike Fagan on Dec 13, 2009 9:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Aoki would have to be able to get these guys to the ground and pull off a sub. Franca would bust him up standing and his BJJ game is probably good enough to survive and stand up if they hit the ground (which would only happen if he pulls guard)
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 13, 2009 9:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m one of the biggest Aoki-haters around, but the dude beat JZ and Hansen (twice), both of whom have solid BJJ. And he beat my love Eddie Alvarez, who is head and shoulders above a guy like Franca.
Granted, Franca’s went through a murderer’s row of lightweights on his way out, but I’m not sure how his performances in those fights would indicated he “beats the living shit” out of Aoki.
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by Mike Fagan on Dec 13, 2009 10:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think he “beats the living shit” out of him either. And I guess if I had to handicap Aoki/Franca I’d probably put Aoki as favorite…but not a huge one.
So I guess you’d get to take a bunch of money from me
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 13, 2009 10:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Also...
i think things get overlooked with if Aoki were to ever compete under UFC rules.
1) The cage. A smarter fighter is going to make sure that when he tries to pull guard they are near the cage where either they can try to stay standing (similar to how Buentello just held Struve on the cage when he tried to jump and pull guard) or where if he does pull he’ll be stuck with limited movement.
2) elbows. When you can use elbows you don’t have to create as much spacing as with punches. When you have to posture up and throw punches it gives him a chance to grab on to something. If you keep tight and hit him with short elbows it is going to make it harder on him.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 13, 2009 10:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This is true. The difference in rules probably affects Aoki more than most fighters.
I wasn’t trying to say Aoki would be a huge favorite by any means, either.
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by Mike Fagan on Dec 13, 2009 11:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you’ve all missed the sarcasm tag in this post.
You’re all correct, but you should be responding to MyFistYourFace.
by rabrown on Dec 13, 2009 6:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
BJ fought a 215 pound Machida to a close decision…as such, I don’t understand the line of reasoning adopted with respect to Kos or Fitch.
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by teestroyer on Dec 13, 2009 1:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
As I said, I would rather see him dominate the best LWs in the world. Machida did not try and aggressively take BJ down like Kos/Fitch would. Sure the fights could be entertaining…could be.
But Kawajiri, Alvarez, Hansen, Thompson, Aoki, Melendez are more appealing to me stylistically and because they are relevant to BJ’s legacy as a LW.
"It would appear that the strain was more than he could bear".- Doc Holliday
by MyFistYourFace on Dec 13, 2009 1:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fact remains
None of those fighters are in the UFC and will not be in the foreseeable future (thats a dumb term who can see the future) So what now I think he beats Kos and Fitch 8-9 out of 10 times but Dana wont letting him clean out WW to fight and more than likely lose to GSP……… The question remains where does BJ go from here, and undersized Edgar, The Bully, they just are not compelling to me
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by Dmerit on Dec 13, 2009 2:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"GSP and Hardy will fight in the foreseeable future"
There you go.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by themachiavellian on Dec 13, 2009 2:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
what if one of them gets hurt OHHH SNAP
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by Dmerit on Dec 13, 2009 2:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I just don’t think BJ looks good at 170. I mean, he could be competitive but sooner or later he is going to lose there. I would not be surprised if it were sooner. Then I think we are right back where we were when GSP dominated him.
Basically, I think BJ should leave the UFC…again.
"It would appear that the strain was more than he could bear".- Doc Holliday
by MyFistYourFace on Dec 13, 2009 2:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and fight in the HW division againt Lyoto again – that’d be cool
Yes, time flies. And where did it leave you? Old too soon...smart too late. - Mike Tyson
by lovingmma25 on Dec 13, 2009 2:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I am exaggerating a little. In a perfect world, Dana could co-promote a super fight w/BJ and the best LW outside the UFC. I guess i am just a little bitter about that not being a possibilty.
In truth, BJ fighting a Kos or Fitch might give the UFC time to build-up another contender at LW.
"It would appear that the strain was more than he could bear".- Doc Holliday
by MyFistYourFace on Dec 13, 2009 2:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well based on Fitch getting jabbed on big time by Pierce tonight – I’d say that would be a nice win for BJ
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by lovingmma25 on Dec 13, 2009 2:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
word – fitch is not a danger to BJ…Kos could probably hurt BJ though
by oousty on Dec 13, 2009 2:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Smart Kos might out-wrestle him. Stupid Kos would box with BJ.
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by themachiavellian on Dec 13, 2009 2:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
true
Yes, time flies. And where did it leave you? Old too soon...smart too late. - Mike Tyson
by lovingmma25 on Dec 13, 2009 2:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yes, Fitch would get busted up against BJ the way his hands looked tonight.
"It would appear that the strain was more than he could bear".- Doc Holliday
by MyFistYourFace on Dec 13, 2009 2:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would favor BJ over any WW not named GSP. His toughest test would be Alves and that would probably be even money… BJ would eat the AKA boys for lunch.
by mmalogic on Dec 13, 2009 2:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was saying almost exactly the same thing to my friend a few days ago.
Although I would Alves a slight edge because he has a level of finishing power that no one at LW has.
I dislike Matt Hughes. Shogun beat him like a dirty horse.
by MonkeyCHops on Dec 13, 2009 2:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah that alves fight would be his toughest fight besides GSP.
by mmalogic on Dec 13, 2009 3:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
BJ’s biggest problem at Lightweight is that the only thing all the 155lbers want to do is dry fuck his leg.
by mmalogic on Dec 13, 2009 3:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There was nothing dry about that fight.
I dislike Matt Hughes. Shogun beat him like a dirty horse.
by MonkeyCHops on Dec 13, 2009 3:58 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I say let BJ jump weight classes again. He should take on Anderson Silva @ some catchweight.
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by Bandaka on Dec 13, 2009 11:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I second that let the best fight the best
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by lovingmma25 on Dec 13, 2009 12:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Frankie Edgar.
It’s a squash, but it’s the fight that’s left.
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by Ozzz on Dec 13, 2009 4:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
-Call me a hater, but I’m still not entirely sold on Frank Mir as a legitimate heavyweight threat.
Hi hater, out of all nights to question Mir tonight ain’t one he looked great and made his case as the second best heavyweight behind Brock.
by Raker on Dec 13, 2009 1:22 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
EHH
What about Big Nog, I think Mir and he should fight once more winner takes Brock (that is if Nog beat Cain which he will in much the same fashion his brother beat another Cane)
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by Dmerit on Dec 13, 2009 1:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If he beats the hell out of Nog/Cain he is the 2nd best UFC HW. Right now the 2nd bes UFC HW is Big Nog.
Keep firing Assholes!
Fedor has accomplished nothing until he fights Kimbo.
by Ubernoober on Dec 13, 2009 1:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the big Nog that he beat?
or the on that beat Randy?… You know the same Randy that couldn’t do anything offensively to Vera, outside of a clinch and some slight dirty boxing… yet hit Nog repeatedly with combos? The same Randy that he oversized significantly>?
I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.
by Loot on Dec 13, 2009 1:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Mir beats Nog in the rematch... and then we'll hear...
Nog is past his prime, and by law of Mir hatred was only operating 27 percent capacity the whole time.
I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.
by Loot on Dec 13, 2009 1:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Didnt Couture beat Vera? No?
by MauiPimpin on Dec 13, 2009 2:33 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
i was alluding more to Nog's lack of defense....
Randy won against Vera yet didn’t do much offensively. He lost to Nog but during the course of the fight landed some good standing punch combos; I know Mir’s striking isn’t great, but he’s improved enough to repeat what he did to Nog last time… and he’s stronger than before (supposedly).
I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.
by Loot on Dec 13, 2009 2:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He already beat Nog. I would favor him over Cain and Nog.
The only guys I would be iffy on is Carwin and JDS. I dont think Mir can take Carwin down and I dont think he’d be able to take Carwins punch. His stand up is better but that would be tough to call. I havent seen JDS on the ground or really his wrestling so that’s tough to call as well.
by mmalogic on Dec 13, 2009 2:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Mir will never be a legit threat to Brock again. His striking is still awful and unless he makes some inexplicable improvement and becomes a BJJ god we’ve already seen him get handled on the ground.
by An0nymous on Dec 13, 2009 1:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
flagged for short-sightedness .
Mir is doing his best to be a better fighter, and he’s still young and can reach a higher level of skill. He got blasted, and destroyed but that doesn’t mean he can’t win… Wandy crushed Rampage twice, and yet the third time Page rocked that ass… This is MMA my man… you are not the end all be all of predicting the future, nor is Brock unbeatable… We saw what happened when we thought Lyoto was untouchable… Mir can do it, and I hope he does.
I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.
by Loot on Dec 13, 2009 2:02 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I dislike Frank Mir
But he is gonna cause some problems for anyone not named Brock Emelianenko.
I dislike Matt Hughes. Shogun beat him like a dirty horse.
by MonkeyCHops on Dec 13, 2009 2:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not that I condone facism or any ism for that matter. Isms are in my opinion, not good. A person shouldn't believe in an ism, he should believe in himself.
I quote John Lennon, "I don't believe in Beatles, I just believe in me". Good point there, after all he was the walrus. I could be the walrus. Wouldn't change the fact I have to bum rides off of people.
by SamCupitt on Dec 13, 2009 3:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Any other fighter who got a title shot after only one win, that being against the 17th ranked guy in the world, and everyone would be ready to burn down Zuffa headquarters. I admit Mir looked great but if you guys think Carwin doesn’t deserve it after three straight wins in the UFC (11 overall), his last win coming against a guy ranked higher than Kongo, then Mir definitely doesn’t. I realize it makes sense from a money aspect but if everyone thinks it’s OK to give Mir the title shot now based on actually earning it then there is no room to bitch about a guy like Hardy or Vitor getting a title shot.
The only thing Jon Jones does better than Matt Hamill is hear.
(And smash faces)
by ufc4 on Dec 13, 2009 9:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
But who did Carwin face before Gonzaga??
by TDITZ on Dec 13, 2009 12:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The guys the UFC asked him to fight. He can only beat who they give him.
The only thing Jon Jones does better than Matt Hamill is hear.
(And smash faces)
by ufc4 on Dec 13, 2009 1:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with that, but I am simply stating that Carwin is still relatively untested.
by TDITZ on Dec 13, 2009 3:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They should do what Pride used to do, and make it a non-title bout.
sarcasm
by MickDawg on Dec 13, 2009 4:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with Hardy getting a shot simply because who else is there to fight GSP? Everyone ranked higher has already lost, and I’d rather see him clean out the division than start jumping weights.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by themachiavellian on Dec 13, 2009 4:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ultimate Fighter season 11 = middleweights.
That’ll give GSP some fodder for a year or so.
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by Ozzz on Dec 13, 2009 4:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
BJ working his way up the WW ladder would be interesting rather than just fighting GSP.
by Dropkick434 on Dec 13, 2009 1:24 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I’ve heard “calm as glass” often times to describe water (e.g. When boating on the lake or sitting by the dock) so maybe that’s what he was getting at. But I’ve never heard it to describe a person’s demeanour before.
by The_Gaijin on Dec 13, 2009 1:26 AM EST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
I agree about the touching gloves thing. In fact, they should deduct points for everytime they touch gloves like that!
for all intents and purposes, just consider all my posts as works of satire.
by Bandaka on Dec 13, 2009 1:32 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I have the solution for that gay shit…
One fighter should take that opportunity and punch the other guy straight in the face as soon as he goes up for a high five.
That should do it.
by mmalogic on Dec 13, 2009 2:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well I think it is a cheap shot to do that in the beginning of the round, even if that is unnecessary, I wouldn’t have much of a problem if that happened mid round.
by Dropkick434 on Dec 13, 2009 3:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Better yet.
one fighter just needs to run to touch gloves. and 1/3 times mix in a a fling knee.
I dislike Matt Hughes. Shogun beat him like a dirty horse.
by MonkeyCHops on Dec 13, 2009 3:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would agree but i wouldn’t be able to handle all the whining that would happen all over the internet after that.
Don’t you know that “protect yourself at all times” means “protect yourself for all but the first five seconds of a fight if you want to play patty cake?”
by Phildo on Dec 13, 2009 9:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The first time someone gets cheap-shotted
..while trying to touch gloves mid-round, it never happens again.
Ditto spinning head kicks that miss and end with one fighter with his back to other. Never understand why a guy doesn’t shoot in the moment that leg whizzes by his ear.
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by Ozzz on Dec 13, 2009 4:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Johnson could defend Fitch’s takedowns and beat him on the feet.
by goodbones on Dec 13, 2009 1:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
aj looked terrible vs. koscheck when it came to takedowns + ground game… fitch would destroy him. if fitch decided to stand with him i’m sure fitch would get ko’d though. brydenn came real close to putting fitch away in that 3rd round.
by kanodogg on Dec 13, 2009 1:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, but last chance for AJ
If he looks terrible again he needs to move up.
I dislike Matt Hughes. Shogun beat him like a dirty horse.
by MonkeyCHops on Dec 13, 2009 2:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he’s been needing to move up – not everyone can do what Anderson Silva does when it comes to cutting weight
Yes, time flies. And where did it leave you? Old too soon...smart too late. - Mike Tyson
by lovingmma25 on Dec 13, 2009 2:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He is cutting a ridiculous ammount of weight.
The weight that he cuts should be in the WEC.
I dislike Matt Hughes. Shogun beat him like a dirty horse.
by MonkeyCHops on Dec 13, 2009 2:30 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well that would be a cool fight to see, I dont think AJ deserves a shot at the Gatekeeper of WW after just losing to another gatekeeper.
for all intents and purposes, just consider all my posts as works of satire.
by Bandaka on Dec 13, 2009 11:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I want this one so bad. Let them rematch. Please.
by hlebtasic on Dec 13, 2009 1:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder what the lines would be like.
Kenny will definitely be the favourite, but I wonder by how much.
by goodbones on Dec 13, 2009 1:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I want
to see KenFlo rematch Sherk just to see if he really has improved. I think the Sanchez fight is interesting but Kenny will beat him Sherk tho he is a fucking monster
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by Dmerit on Dec 13, 2009 2:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Which Sherk, the domintating wrestler who is a former champion, or the short armed boxer who lost to Edgar and Bj?
by hlebtasic on Dec 13, 2009 2:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
..and can't change a gameplan..
..with three months notice, let alone mid-fight.
http://www.vancouversun.com/mma
by Ozzz on Dec 13, 2009 4:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I want this too. But I’m not sure if we have the technology to rebuild Sanchez’s face.
Not that I condone facism or any ism for that matter. Isms are in my opinion, not good. A person shouldn't believe in an ism, he should believe in himself.
I quote John Lennon, "I don't believe in Beatles, I just believe in me". Good point there, after all he was the walrus. I could be the walrus. Wouldn't change the fact I have to bum rides off of people.
by SamCupitt on Dec 13, 2009 1:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yus! Yus! Yus! = saved from an embarrassing 50-40 decision by bleeding vagina on the forehead! I can’t wait to hear from the Sanchez nut huggers and Penn haters!
"Der freie Mensch ist Krieger" -- Nietzsche
by teestroyer on Dec 13, 2009 1:39 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
not much they can say after four rounds of one sided beatings and a cut in the fifth I’d say, maybe if it happened right away they could use it as an excuse
"A champion is someone who gets up when he can't." - Jack Dempsey
by JeremyShane on Dec 13, 2009 2:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Someone posted how they would like to see a fight between sanchez and BJ where Sanchez didn’t get rocked early in the first, like that was some fluke event that ruined the competitiveness of the fight or something.
by Dropkick434 on Dec 13, 2009 3:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Massive credit to Diego to come back after that mauling though.
"Like a ballet of violence clothed in fine Brazilian silk." ~ MMASuPreMaCy
by Benicio on Dec 13, 2009 6:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Heart of a champion.
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by Ozzz on Dec 13, 2009 4:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd for Strong Bad pic.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
by misterjonez on Dec 13, 2009 6:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
don’t know what to say about someone that wants a redo on a fight because of a fighter getting hit (that tends to happen in fights)
"A champion is someone who gets up when he can't." - Jack Dempsey
by JeremyShane on Dec 13, 2009 11:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Holy crap it’s like Sherdog exploded all over this post.
by George Lucas on Dec 13, 2009 7:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Is this better Lucas the Hall Monitor?
But for the fact that Mr. Sanchez had a gushing kick-to-the-head induced laceration on his forehead, it is my informed opinion that Mr. Penn would likely have won the first 50-40 championship fight in UFC history. In light of this turn of events, I am very curious to hear how the people in this forum who prattled on and on about Mr. Sanchez’s preternatural positivity and bottomless gas tank and who talked ad nauseum about Mr. Penn’s lax conditioning will spin what was easily the most one-sided fight I have seen. This latter observation was born out by the stats from FightMetric. Now, piss off….
p.s. I have a Ph.D.,so if you’d like to pretend that an MMA forum is an intellectual haunt, that’s fine. But typically when it’s post-fight and people have been drinking, they understandably might prefer to jeer in good fun with a touch of juvenalia than provide the kind of psuedo-intellectual fight commentary you seem to require.
"Der freie Mensch ist Krieger" -- Nietzsche
by teestroyer on Dec 13, 2009 10:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
to be fair, you don’t exactly hear many men with a Ph.D. talk about bleeding forehead vaginas and nuthuggers. That being said…yes…you actually do have a Ph.D. I will confirm that before people claim you are lying.
Now to your point, no way would that have been a 50-40 fight. The first round was the only one that had completed that was a 10-8 round. Penn dominated the entire fight but Diego made it pretty hard for him to really take 10-8 rounds in the 2nd-4th by not really engaging except to throw the occasional high kick or futile takedown attempt whenever BJ did engage. By pure numbers the third round was the closest other round to 10-8.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 13, 2009 10:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for vouching for my bona fides even if you understandably weren’t impressed with my admittedly sophomoric earlier comment. Of course, you and the rest of the journalists who actually do the posting here are engaged in a serious intellectual enterprise and one you do very well. But I do get tired of the “hard cores” who deride “the causals”—which is a common theme around here. If it were not for the MMA fans who frequent Sherdog, we wouldn’t be able to watch fights once a month. The continued growth and success of MMA depends on their purchasing PPVs, skull-infested T-shirts, and pin ups of the Octogon Girls. So, I, for one, actually don’t mind occasional foul-mouthed, juvenile, and inflammatory comments on BE even if the constant stream of them at Sherdog—which is made worse with the racism and misogyny one finds there—keeps me away from their site. As someone who was a senior in college—and life-long wrestler—when the first UFC was aired, I have been a fan of MMA and student of the martial arts for nearly two decades. As such, I greatly appreciate the hard work you and the rest of the BE crew put into what is clearly the best MMA blog on the web. But I also think that the people in the comment threads here take themselves far too seriously—especially in post-fight threads where it seems entirely understandable why a (drunken) fan of the victor might gloat in colorful language. So, to you and the rest of the talented BE writers, I say bravo and keep up the good work. To the folks who frequent this blog who act like they’re engaged in a deep and important intellectual endeavor, I say lighten up—i.e., don’t be a bleeding vageegee :)
"Der freie Mensch ist Krieger" -- Nietzsche
by teestroyer on Dec 13, 2009 11:40 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I believe the proper term is “vajayjay”.
The only thing Jon Jones does better than Matt Hamill is hear.
(And smash faces)
by ufc4 on Dec 13, 2009 1:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
damn brah
fwiw, you are, atm, gushing about yourself rather ridiculously
by Ninkynonk on Dec 13, 2009 3:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
FWIW
Gushing about myself rather ridiculously? I simply pointed out—in response to Lucas the Hall Monitor—that despite having a PhD, I don’t find it necessary to always act like it, especially in a comment thread on a MMA blog. The only other thing I mentioned about myself is that I am a long-time fan of MMA with a wrestling background. Doesn’t seem like much gushing to me. Now, if you merely meant to say I was being unduly didactic in response to G. Lucas’ flippant remarks about Sherdog, that’s true of course. But it was an intentional stab at sarcasm. Didn’t you get it?
"Der freie Mensch ist Krieger" -- Nietzsche
by teestroyer on Dec 13, 2009 4:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
PhD in what?
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by themachiavellian on Dec 13, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But if I tell you, I will only be charged once again with “gushing about myself rather ridiculously,” no?
p.s. I am a philosophy professor.
"Der freie Mensch ist Krieger" -- Nietzsche
by teestroyer on Dec 13, 2009 4:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I figured that from your sig.
I’m on the other end – philosophy student. So damn hard…
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by themachiavellian on Dec 13, 2009 4:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nietzsche makes total sense to me.
And I’m not sure how to feel about that.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
by misterjonez on Dec 13, 2009 6:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Proud and afraid.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by themachiavellian on Dec 13, 2009 6:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Also somewhat resigned.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
by misterjonez on Dec 13, 2009 6:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Rec’d for saying all that with a Nietzsche signature.
Guillotine.
by iiowyn on Dec 13, 2009 9:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
As to the 50-40. How could someone who never landed more than 3 strikes in a single round and who never got a take down or submission attempt merit getting 9 points in any of the rounds? Let me put it differently: Pick any single round from the fight. What would Penn have needed to do in your eyes to score a 10-8? Sanchez could not have done less. So, presumably, you think Penn could have done more since striking him at will and repeatedly isn’t sufficient in your eyes. Now, perhaps you think that in order to garner a 10-8, the dominant fighter needed to have put his opponent in serious trouble—near knock out or close submission. That’s fine as far as it goes I suppose, but then you run the risk of conflating the kind of 10-9 rounds from the Penn Sanchez fight with the kind of 10-9 rounds you found in other fights on the card. Not all 10-9 rounds in the UFC are even roughly equal. I, for one, think they should be. One way of accomplishing this involves awarding 10-8 rounds when someone gets as outclassed and overwhelmed as Sanchez was by Penn. But, opinions are like assholes, no?
"Der freie Mensch ist Krieger" -- Nietzsche
by teestroyer on Dec 13, 2009 11:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ROFL
at bleeding vagina on the forehead. I lol’d so loud my boss asked me what i was looking at…
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by Well Read Idiot on Dec 14, 2009 5:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
First thing I thought when I saw Buentello was that he did not look to be in shape.
Does he ever?
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by themachiavellian on Dec 13, 2009 1:52 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
He meant the first time he ever saw him.
The only thing Jon Jones does better than Matt Hamill is hear.
(And smash faces)
by ufc4 on Dec 13, 2009 1:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Has the Post fight conference started for anyone? I am still getting a blank screen
by Dropkick434 on Dec 13, 2009 1:56 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I don’t see the Post Fight Conference either. It’s getting late. They always have one right?
Forward Ever, Backward Never...
by Tony NJ on Dec 13, 2009 2:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
-Mid-way during the third round I noted that Struve doesn’t seem to make full use of his size. He stood right in front of Buentello well within striking distance of the Headhunter. Mike Goldberg’s next comment? “Struve does a good job keeping his opponent at distance!” Huh?
He used his length in the third much better than the first and second. He kept outside for much of the round and hit Paul with straight punches or leg kicks whenver Paul tried to get close. That being said, he does need to learn how to use his length better. And the timing of Goldie saying that Struve uses his distance well while they were clinching was priceless
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 13, 2009 2:00 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Struve jumping into Buentello and getting blasted was just surreal. You’re a giant dude, people should be jumping into YOU!
Someone get this kid in the gym with Semmy Schilt ASAP.
…
On second thought, that might not be the best training partner.
(Too soon?)
by smoogy2 on Dec 13, 2009 2:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dont
train with Schilt you may end up deed
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by Dmerit on Dec 13, 2009 2:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
too soon? ;-)
I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.
by Loot on Dec 13, 2009 2:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m just mad I missed that joke earlier tonight.
I dislike Matt Hughes. Shogun beat him like a dirty horse.
by MonkeyCHops on Dec 13, 2009 2:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
In all seriousness, does Struve train with Semmy? It’d be perfect to work on his striking.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by themachiavellian on Dec 13, 2009 2:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Is there any reason Struve should have been leaning forward in that fight? Paul is basically a boxer so shouldn’t have Struve been leaning back the whole time and make Paul come forward and work past his reach. When I boxed as a kid I had a hell of a reach advantage and this is what I was tought. Just curious if there is something I was missing in his strategy.
by nottheface on Dec 13, 2009 2:15 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
No, you've got the right idea
Stefan Struve has no idea how to be an outfighter.
by smoogy2 on Dec 13, 2009 2:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think that comes from wanting to go to the floor so much. So rather than use his length he’s always looking to grab on. I think he’s getting a bit better at it but he still gets hit way too much. Dude has a GREAT chin though. As I keep saying, he got stopped by JdS and was certainly hurt multiple times in that fight. But how many dudes end the fight on their feet after getting tagged by Junior that much.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 13, 2009 9:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s what I was kind of asking about? I did some spring wrestling in HS years ago, but most of my experience is standup in either boxing or self-defense martial arts. Was there something grappling wise he was looking for that would explain to me why he was craning his head forward?
by nottheface on Dec 13, 2009 1:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know...
unless maybe it’s that he is so tall that if he tries to shoot from fully erect that it takes too long to drop down. I really don’t know. May just be pure bad form also
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 13, 2009 5:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
Until someone tells me otherwise, I’m going with the latter.
by nottheface on Dec 13, 2009 5:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Struve needs to stay upright
and learn some uber-simple body locks and trips. With that height, he doesn’t need to be very strong or coordinated to take 250lb guys down to the mat. It’s so easy to destroy your opponent’s center of gravity with an over/under body lock when you’ve got an extra 6-9 inches of leverage against them.
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by misterjonez on Dec 13, 2009 6:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was wondering if his legs were just too tired in the second after holding that body triangle most of the first. To me, it seemed like he had to let his legs recover then he started using them again in the third.
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by midwestbred on Dec 13, 2009 4:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
$65K Bonuses
KOotN: T.J. Grant
SotN: DaMarques Johnson
FotN: Gouveia/Belcher
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by themachiavellian on Dec 13, 2009 2:13 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
FOTN should have been Buentello/Struve
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by lovingmma25 on Dec 13, 2009 2:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
really?
BJ doesn’t get FotN for that performance? And credit to Sanchez for having heart for days and balls the size of milk cans.
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by KrmtDfrog on Dec 13, 2009 2:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
FOTN should have been BJ/Diego but I figured since Diego got schooled all night and it wasn’t a back & forth battle that it wouldn’t have got the ok for FOTN
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by lovingmma25 on Dec 13, 2009 2:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
IMO fight of the night was Damarques Johnson v Edgar Garcia
I dislike Matt Hughes. Shogun beat him like a dirty horse.
by MonkeyCHops on Dec 13, 2009 2:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Those balls were in his stomach
by round two.
Boy was scared of Penn, no doubt. You could see it in his broken, swollen, rolling eyes..
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by Ozzz on Dec 13, 2009 4:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
Yes, time flies. And where did it leave you? Old too soon...smart too late. - Mike Tyson
by lovingmma25 on Dec 13, 2009 2:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
WTF
I dislike Matt Hughes. Shogun beat him like a dirty horse.
by MonkeyCHops on Dec 13, 2009 2:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"It would appear that the strain was more than he could bear".- Doc Holliday
by MyFistYourFace on Dec 13, 2009 2:41 AM EST up reply actions 8 recs
hahahaha, this is hilarious
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by soadtrails on Dec 13, 2009 9:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh my God.
My girlfriend and I laughed for about ten minutes with this thing. Am I under a rock or something, that I haven’t seen this until now?
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
by misterjonez on Dec 13, 2009 6:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart."
Rickson Gracie
by SherdogSux on Dec 13, 2009 2:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
WTF, WTF, WTF
I dislike Matt Hughes. Shogun beat him like a dirty horse.
by MonkeyCHops on Dec 13, 2009 3:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
“Mutherfuker, I can take you only so far!”.- Peak Mind State shaking its head.
by mmalogic on Dec 13, 2009 3:00 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
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by themachiavellian on Dec 13, 2009 3:07 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What do you think about having GSP drop weight to fight BJ? The weight cut will take away GSP’s “great bigman will always beat a great small man” advantage. I think BJ is the more talented striker out of the two and would win the rematch at this weight. Otherwise there really isnt any fights that are interesting for the two in their respective weight divisions.
by oousty on Dec 13, 2009 2:18 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
GSP can’t cut to 155 without losing a limb.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by themachiavellian on Dec 13, 2009 2:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
we may just have to take that risk
Yes, time flies. And where did it leave you? Old too soon...smart too late. - Mike Tyson
by lovingmma25 on Dec 13, 2009 2:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I like BJ’s chances against a one-legged GSP.
"It would appear that the strain was more than he could bear".- Doc Holliday
by MyFistYourFace on Dec 13, 2009 2:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
or even a zero toed GSP – let’s see how many superman punches he can throw with no toes
Yes, time flies. And where did it leave you? Old too soon...smart too late. - Mike Tyson
by lovingmma25 on Dec 13, 2009 2:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
GSP said he could make 155 if he wanted to, but doesn’t want to as he doesn’t like the health risks in continually doing so. The interview is around somewhere.
Not that I condone facism or any ism for that matter. Isms are in my opinion, not good. A person shouldn't believe in an ism, he should believe in himself.
I quote John Lennon, "I don't believe in Beatles, I just believe in me". Good point there, after all he was the walrus. I could be the walrus. Wouldn't change the fact I have to bum rides off of people.
by SamCupitt on Dec 13, 2009 3:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I could make 155 as well but I would need to dump either one leg or my cock.
I dislike Matt Hughes. Shogun beat him like a dirty horse.
by MonkeyCHops on Dec 13, 2009 4:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You shouldn’t admit to having shortass legs like that.
Not that I condone facism or any ism for that matter. Isms are in my opinion, not good. A person shouldn't believe in an ism, he should believe in himself.
I quote John Lennon, "I don't believe in Beatles, I just believe in me". Good point there, after all he was the walrus. I could be the walrus. Wouldn't change the fact I have to bum rides off of people.
by SamCupitt on Dec 13, 2009 4:20 AM EST up reply actions 10 recs
I’m only 5’11" they aren’t that long.
I dislike Matt Hughes. Shogun beat him like a dirty horse.
by MonkeyCHops on Dec 13, 2009 4:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
While we’re at it, lets rematch Penn and Sanchez, but take away Penn’s flexibility and balance. That will help take away Penn’s “super physically gifted” advantage.
by Michaelthebox on Dec 13, 2009 2:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he didnt need his flexibility n balance tonight…all he needed was his two fists and a microphone
by oousty on Dec 13, 2009 2:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
GSP has big ass and legs…maybe take one ass cheek off to make this fight happen
by oousty on Dec 13, 2009 2:25 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
REC’D for your final thought.
by I Can't Feel My Face on Dec 13, 2009 2:28 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Calm is glass
I was also disturbed by how many times Rogan pointed out that he had watched so and so’s “strength and conditioning” tape.
If I was doing some strength and conditioning and someone was filming it I would make them promise not to show Rogan since I assume he is going to touch me after the fight.
I dislike Matt Hughes. Shogun beat him like a dirty horse.
by MonkeyCHops on Dec 13, 2009 2:52 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I always find Fitch fights so incredibly boring. I understand he’s good and has racked up an impressive record, but if he can’t finish 6 fights in a row they should seriously consider dropping him to the prelims.
by Albertrayon on Dec 13, 2009 2:57 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
They actually invented the postlims for him
I dislike Matt Hughes. Shogun beat him like a dirty horse.
by MonkeyCHops on Dec 13, 2009 3:13 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Yeah poor Fitch. His fight with GSP was electric, but dammit he has a hard time finishing dudes. Though to be fair, they haven’t exactly given him the types of fighters that are easy to finish. A fight against AJ would be good. At this point Dana wants to find someone that will kill him so he has an excuse to cut him. I think Alves would probably beat him badly at this point, though Fitch seems good at bringing talented fighters down to his grinding out level.
by Dooda on Dec 13, 2009 4:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
still tho, if a guy is a 4-1 dog and you have get his back with 4 minutes left in round 1 and you’re a top 3 fighter in your division, you should be finishing the fight.
by Phildo on Dec 13, 2009 9:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They’re not giving Fitch the most exciting opponents. Other than GSP he’s spent the last two years fighting guys with zero name in the UFC who are tough to put away.
Give Fitch a fight with Rumble, Daley or Hazelett and you’d get some fireworks.
by rabrown on Dec 13, 2009 6:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It doesn’t help that he refuses to fight some of the other top WW’s that would be awesome matchups according to both their styles and their rankings.
by Phildo on Dec 13, 2009 9:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Post Fight Ramblings
-We still don’t know how Mir’s 25 pound increase affected his cardio, power, or takedowns.. We still don’t know how good (or bad?) it makes him, but it will surely one huge factor in making the fans want to see a third fight between him and Lesnar.
-Memphis fans boo a lot.. When BJ Penn is beating up Diego while defending the single leg at the same time, that isn’t something to boo at.. When Struve has his back, throwing punches, and working for a choke, that isn’t something to boo at either..
-Herb Dean did a great job in recognizing that Diego was fit enough to continue while receiving that early barrage at the first round.. I’m not sure if other refs would have done the same on that scenario..
-The UFC belt’s color looked lighter than usual, and shinier too..
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 13, 2009 3:46 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
make that “it will surely BE one huge factor…”
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 13, 2009 3:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it was Breen or someone that put “Memphis really hates back control.” on twitter.
I laughed
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by midwestbred on Dec 13, 2009 5:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
One of the first thing I wrote in my notes during the Struve fight.
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by Mike Fagan on Dec 13, 2009 9:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Also, if I may add,
BJ Penn’s post-fight self-slapping was the most effective damage that was dealt to him that night.
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 13, 2009 5:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I said the same thing when I saw that. Do those strikes count for or against BJ?
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by Benicio on Dec 13, 2009 6:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yea, about Mir, I’m curious to see how his weight gain will help him against Lesnar. I’m sure he has a bit more strength; but…assuming Lesnar comes back healthy from his injury and doesn’t take a while to get back to peak shape like Mir did after his accident I wonder how he will match up. Lesnar isn’t just 265 like Mir, he actually cuts weight and then fights at like 280ish, plus he has always been that size and people that have muscle that has been around for a while in use tend to be more useful than guys that just bulked up. Mir is succeeding in making me more curious everytime I see him to see another match with him and Lesnar; not something I wanted at first.
And yea, Herb Dean did a good job in that fight.
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by JeremyShane on Dec 13, 2009 11:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
damn..for such a good writer
mike fagan is so negative lately…did he just divorced or something???
by o.u.horndog on Dec 13, 2009 5:49 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Fagan getting called out on Twitter
I disagree with almost everything Mike Fagan said on @bloodyelbow . Lots of MMA elitist clap trap. His ilk is stifling the sport.
Mike Fagan isn’t sold on Frank Mir. Ask Minotoro, Kongo and Lesnar if they are. Don’t bother Tim Sylvia though.
Great night of fights. If you are a real fan, don’t buy into the nerds or the meatheads. Enjoy this period in MMA on your own.
Uh, Chad, I think I have a pretty good idea how Lesnar would answer that question.
The only thing Jon Jones does better than Matt Hamill is hear.
(And smash faces)
by ufc4 on Dec 13, 2009 9:25 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
LOL, the joke is on Chad, if he didn’t know that everyone on BE is an MMA elitist, hence why some call this site Bloody Ego. What is he going to do next, attack MMA supremacists? =)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Dec 13, 2009 9:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Being totally honest I do think 99% of the people on this site (including the commenters) are more intelligent than most of the “Just Bleed” MMA fans. If that makes us elitists then so be it.
The only thing Jon Jones does better than Matt Hamill is hear.
(And smash faces)
by ufc4 on Dec 13, 2009 9:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL@ Bloody Ego.
damn. haha.
I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.
by Loot on Dec 13, 2009 12:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think Mir gets by Lesnar, Carwin, Velasquez, and a healthy Nogueira. He also has huge problems with Overeem, Werdum, Barnett, Arlovski, and maybe Rogers too. Not to mention Antonio Silva and Gonzaga.
Oh, and some shmuck named Fedor.
But yeah, beating a guy ranked #17 in the world is proof that FRANK MIR IS BACK!!!!!!
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by Mike Fagan on Dec 13, 2009 9:47 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
You forgot Dos Santos
The only thing Jon Jones does better than Matt Hamill is hear.
(And smash faces)
by ufc4 on Dec 13, 2009 9:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that’s my bad. I had him in the “doesn’t get by” crowd, but then decided I wanted him in the “huge problems” crowd. I forgot to add him back in after deleting him from the former.
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by Mike Fagan on Dec 13, 2009 10:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He should also be happy the Anderson Silva pipe dream never came to fruition.
The only thing Jon Jones does better than Matt Hamill is hear.
(And smash faces)
by ufc4 on Dec 13, 2009 10:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Rec’d for awesome picture!
I give Mir a little more credit there – he at least has a chance against Velasquez (who needs to add some freaking power to his hands). But otherwise, yeah, still lots of questions about him – such as how does he handle the extra weight if the fight goes past the 1st round, can he stop a takedown, will he get even douchier tattoos, etc.
Dude can hype a fight though – I usually love “heels” (tito being the exception that proves the rules) but Mir got under my skin. He’s a real headliner now!
by jhf884 on Dec 13, 2009 11:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i dunno, nog is a pretty good match up for Mir. Particularly now with the newfound strength and motivation.we alll know nog shouldn’t have been fighting that night but frank and a counter for everything he did.
by naturalist on Dec 13, 2009 5:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
tsktsk..
I guess your ilk bad for the sport mike.. ;)
PS
Chad, I don’t think Lesnar is sold on Mir either.. and WHY would Rogerio be sold on Mir? I thought you were a real fan?
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 13, 2009 6:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah! What the hell is an analyst doing providing analysis?!
I hope Chad enjoys my next article “UFC 107 Winners Were Flawless; Losers Tried Hard Too”
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 13, 2009 10:51 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
UFC 108 Preview: It Doesn’t Matter Who Wins, Let’s All Hug
The only thing Jon Jones does better than Matt Hamill is hear.
(And smash faces)
by ufc4 on Dec 13, 2009 10:56 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Wow. I would actually enjoy reading this article.
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by Mike Fagan on Dec 13, 2009 11:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There is nothing elitist about having an opinion about a fighter as he did. Mir still needs to do work to earn a shot at Lesnar IMO.
The only elitist MMA comments I see are the people that say “You must be new to MMA” because you have an opinion different than theirs.
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by JeremyShane on Dec 13, 2009 11:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Whateva n00b, take that sh!t 2 sherdog
j/k
The only thing Jon Jones does better than Matt Hamill is hear.
(And smash faces)
by ufc4 on Dec 13, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
if you can’t understand guys touching gloves mid-fight, you’re not a fighter. nice observation, but stick to watching and commentating like a true non-fighter. the armchair is comfortable, no?
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by theworldsoldestsport on Dec 13, 2009 9:51 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
If two guys who are punching each other in the face want to shake hands do it after the fight, I don’t want two guys out there acting like best friends because that makes it seem like they aren’t going to fight as hard as they would against someone they dislike.
The only thing Jon Jones does better than Matt Hamill is hear.
(And smash faces)
by ufc4 on Dec 13, 2009 9:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s stupid man. This is sport. You shouldn’t have to trick yourself in to believing these fighters hate each other.
by hlebtasic on Dec 13, 2009 3:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I've put in time in the gym...
does that mean that I’m fit to point out how dumb it is?
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 13, 2009 10:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Personally I don’t mind them doing it after a killer exchange occasionally; but it gets overdone and it annoys me at the beginning of every round. Just fight, you guys touched gloves before the fight.
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by JeremyShane on Dec 13, 2009 11:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yuo're right, true fighters high five after good exchange
Even Henderson wanted to do it after having his jaw dislocated, but apparently Spider wasn’t keen on it.
by dancingChicken on Dec 13, 2009 11:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There it is.
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by Mike Fagan on Dec 13, 2009 12:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
where's the other gifs?
he also burped in past fights.
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 13, 2009 6:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Did you guys miss this during the fight? I mean, even if you weren’t watching the screen, the belch was very very audible.
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by Mike Fagan on Dec 13, 2009 12:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It was so loud I thought someone in my home did it for a moment.
by banter on Dec 13, 2009 12:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
as he keeps on losin
;-/
I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.
by Loot on Dec 13, 2009 3:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i hate guida and don’t like watching him hum… fight … but ain’t no shame in losing to florian and sanchez.
He is who we thought he was… a gate keeper with crazy pace, crazy hair, crazy belches, decent wrestling, and shit everything else
by dbcb on Dec 13, 2009 4:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It was like a good 2-3 second burp
by Dropkick434 on Dec 13, 2009 1:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I heard the whole alphabet in there.
The only thing Jon Jones does better than Matt Hamill is hear.
(And smash faces)
by ufc4 on Dec 13, 2009 1:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
lol
I love Guida more and more even if he loses
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by JeremyShane on Dec 13, 2009 1:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think Mir gets by Lesnar, Carwin, Velasquez, and a healthy Nogueira. He also has huge problems with Overeem, Werdum, Barnett, Arlovski, and maybe Rogers too. Not to mention Antonio Silva and Gonzaga.Oh, and some shmuck named Fedor.But yeah, beating a guy ranked #17 in the world is proof that FRANK MIR IS BACK!!!!!!
According to you it wouldn’t matter if Mir KO’s Fedor in 10 seconds you’d still find an excuse to justify hating on him. The fact that you ignore that Mir has already beaten Lesnar and destroyed Nog again just goes to show how delusional you Mir haters are.
Because it doesn’t matter who he beats or how you will always find a pathetic excuse to make to justify not giving him his props. But the only thing you’re doing is making yourself look silly in the process, so yeah keep telling me how Mir has no chance against any of the guys you metioned and i’ll keep laughint everytime he proves you wrong.
by Raker on Dec 13, 2009 1:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
They need to do Mir/Carwin so that this kind of thing can go away.
I dislike Matt Hughes. Shogun beat him like a dirty horse.
by MonkeyCHops on Dec 13, 2009 1:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
why don’t we just wait and see Mir fight a couple more top guys, b/c Kongo wasn’t a top ten, Nog truly was not himself in their fight (just like Mir was not quite himself when he first came back from his injuries) and I really can’t give Mir all that many props for his first win on Brock. He win, not trying to say he didn’t; but he got dominated until catching Brock, nothing to hang his hat on outside of the W
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by JeremyShane on Dec 13, 2009 1:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
isn't that wat Big Nog has done his whole career?
get beat up, and then sub someone?
I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.
by Loot on Dec 13, 2009 3:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Not a strategy I think Mir was aiming for lol
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by JeremyShane on Dec 13, 2009 9:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess no one should have questioned Sokoudjou after the Nogueira and Arona fights, right? Or Houston Alexander after Jardine and Sakara?
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by Mike Fagan on Dec 13, 2009 1:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The fact that you ignore that Mir has already beaten Lesnar
In his second pro fight, I think Brock may have gotten slightly better since then. What happened in their last fight again?
Oh yeah, that’s right.
The only thing Jon Jones does better than Matt Hamill is hear.
(And smash faces)
by ufc4 on Dec 13, 2009 1:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
oh yea, that's right...
Losing to someone you beat before means you’ll never beat them again.
And before the LESNAR DOMINATED HIM THE WHOLE FIRST FIGHT BLAH BLAH… Nog made a career out of doing the same. Yet we don’t discredit his wins… [Mir hater] IF BOB SAPP HAD PRACTICED THAT PILE DRIVER AND WASN’T A N00B HE WOULDA BEAT NOG!!![/Mir Hater]
I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.
by Loot on Dec 13, 2009 4:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn’t say that genius, Mir was the better fighter the first time, now he isn’t.
The only thing Jon Jones does better than Matt Hamill is hear.
(And smash faces)
by ufc4 on Dec 13, 2009 4:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll say it.
Nobody in their right mind thinks Mir’s strategy is to go in and take a lot of damage while looking for a sub. As we can see from their second match up, he doesn’t take a beating like Nog (maybe like Nog after a staph infection). And it wasn’t just that; but also the fact that if the ref hadn’t stopped the fight and stood it up and changed the momentum of the fight, it probably would have ended like the 2nd match up. Mir is just not as good as he (or you) thinks he is.
We don’t have to argue, we’ll see him getting beat again soon.
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by JeremyShane on Dec 13, 2009 9:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"Calm as glass."
I tried to read through most of the comments and I didn’t see an explanation of the phrase. In water skiing, wake boarding or fishing for that matter, when the surface of the water is “calm”, smooth and unaffected by wind or choppy waves of any kind it is often referred to as “smooth as glass”. Rogan was probably stoned and mixed the meaning of the phrase with the phrase it self. One would say “The water is calm and smooth as glass” but Rogan just said “calm as glass”. On a side note; Kenny Florian may have become the new poster boy for “Bloodyelbow” with his bloody elbow.
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by Warhand on Dec 13, 2009 1:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
That’s kind of what I was thinking. Google “calm as glass”, it doesn’t bring up anything.
The only thing Jon Jones does better than Matt Hamill is hear.
(And smash faces)
by ufc4 on Dec 13, 2009 1:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
In his second pro fight, I think Brock may have gotten slightly better since then.
And so has Mir from their second match, regardless after all the excuses and crying they are 1 and 1 I say let the next fight settle it since that’s how it always should be leave the bs out of it.
by Raker on Dec 13, 2009 3:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Didn't You Hear?
BROCKLESNAR is the only person with this mythical ability to IMPROVE… I mean after all he’s done… The funniest thing to me is that With Randy being on the shelf so long before fighting Brock, and with the size disadvantage, Brock’s BEST WIN is over Frank Mir… even though Mir is so “overrated”.
I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.
by Loot on Dec 13, 2009 4:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This. Mir haters lack cohesive arguments but they make up for it with one leading pictures and shouting.
by hlebtasic on Dec 13, 2009 4:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Loot is Frank Mir alias IMO
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by JeremyShane on Dec 13, 2009 9:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
First, learn how to reply properly. Second, I never said they shouldn’t fight again, but Mir should have to win more than one fight when there are other legit contenders on much longer winning streaks.
The only thing Jon Jones does better than Matt Hamill is hear.
(And smash faces)
by ufc4 on Dec 13, 2009 4:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
YUS!!
But seriously, you’re right. Mir needs another win at least before he gets a crack at the title. The only reason to push him up to Brock right now is if Dana’s not confident that Brock can play King of The Hill with the field (or Carwin, which is more likely) for another fight.
Let Mir continue to remake his image, Dana will make more money in the long run and it honestly gives Mir the best chance to win. He still needs to work on his transitions, because even if Brock become legitimately scared of Frank’s stand-up, he’ll just Heath Herring him into a five round decision. Assuming Frank has gone to his local high school and wrestled with them for a season or so.
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by misterjonez on Dec 13, 2009 7:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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