UFC 107 Preview: Kenny Florian, Clay Guida Prepare for War of Attrition
While UFC 107 features some solid match-ups in the heavyweight and welterweight divisions, the event is truly a showcase of the UFC's lightweight talent. In the first main card lightweight battle of the evening, Kenny Florian (11-4, 9-3 UFC) will look to rebound from his UFC 101 loss to B.J. Penn against the well-conditioned whirling dervish of hair that is Clay "The Carpenter" Guida (25-10, 5-4 UFC). Guida is coming off a split decision loss to Diego Sanchez at The Ultimate Fighter: U.S. vs. U.K. Finale.
I won't beat around the bush in the breakdown of this fight. It doesn't look like a bout that Guida can win without some sort of improvement in his striking ability, and I've grown rather tired of the hearing the same old line from Clay Guida that his striking continues to improve. We first heard about this improvement when Guida fought Marcus Aurelio at UFC 74, but we didn't see it in that fight, nor have we seen any sort of significant improvement in any fight leading up to his last bout with Diego Sanchez.
Florian, on the other hand, improved substantially from one fight to the next over the course of his six-fight win streak following his loss to Sean Sherk at UFC 64. Not only has he become a solid Muay Thai boxer on his feet, but his ground game has evolved into a dangerous weapon in his arsenal. He is definitely one of the most well-rounded fighters in the division, and Guida will have a very tough time trying to exploit any weaknesses he can find.
One weakness that Guida is always good at exposing is the conditioning of his opponents. Most fans would say that Guida is a below average to average striker with good wrestling ability, but nearly every fan who has watched a Clay Guida fight would say his conditioning and ability to create a torrid pace is his greatest attribute. In fact, his win over Mac Danzig was a textbook example of how quickly Guida works and wears out his opponents, and even in his losing efforts -- he has pushed some of the best fighters in the division to the brink of losing.
This is a fight that resembles many of Guida's past wars. His opponent is better in nearly every facet of the sport, but the x-factor comes down to the tenacious pace that Guida can set from the beginning. In the past, he hasn't been able to capitalize as Huerta came back from the brink of unconsciousness to win and both Sanchez and Tyson Griffin edged him out. Can he capitalize and defeat Kenny Florian?
While I'm a huge fan of Clay Guida, I can't rationally pick him in this fight. I've been very disappointed in his improvement in his striking, almost to the point where I've written him off. The fact of the matter is that he needs to add some sort of weapon to his pace, and the best weapon would obviously be a technical striking game that's accurate and powerful. He lacks that right now, so unless he shows up with a dynamic boxing game that will actually land on Florian's chin -- he's probably going to be peppered in this fight.
The only real chance that Guida has is by smothering Florian on the floor, and I think Florian has the Brazilian jiu-jitsu know-how to stop Guida in his tracks. Florian has never shown any real holes in his conditioning, so Guida will need to hit the cage running in order to press Florian. If he can do that, he might have a shot at the upset. In the end however, I have to go with Kenny Florian via decision.
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Florian is by far the better fighter
and would beat several fighters that would beat Guida. But it’s one of those matchup things, Guida is style kryptonite for KenFlo.
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I’m not sure Guida wants to sit in Florian’s guard, if he is able to successfully able to avoid kicks on the feet, close the distance, and take Florian down repeatedly.
If he does sit in Kenny's guard
do you think the ref will call all those 12 to 6 elbows Kenny always throws?
Hadoken!!
12 to 6 is null when on your back, because you are horizontal. The elbows are legal so long as you’re not bringing them from the ceiling and to the floor.
At least, this is my understanding since the last time people brought up the 12-6 elbow rule.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Dec 11, 2009 12:47 AM EST up reply actions
If Guida’s striking wasn’t horrific, I’d agree. But he’s let me down far too many times.
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by Leland Roling on Dec 10, 2009 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
When on his back
I believe Kenny will stay pretty calm and either stifle Clay’s attacks, or will work to a more advantageous position. If Clay can’t get Kenny on his back, then he’ll lose anyway.
we all know what will happen if guida ends up in florian's guard
the same elbows that florian used against lozan and the same elbows that sanchez used against guida before.
we all know guida won’t cut his hair, but i’m surprised he doesn’t make some interesting styles out of it beyond the baseline cavemen look.
evan tanner, RIP, now there’s a guy who took advantage of his hair.
or maybe guida thinks he’s mixing it up but it’s just like zoolander with blue steel. anyway, these are the questions i really want answered.
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I dont think KenFlo
can KO Guida. He dosent have the power. Guida is very active and strong which make it difficult to submit him. I think he stays on top, uses his strength and energy, and grinds out a decision against Kenny.
Guida over KenFlo
I see no way Florian can win this. He won’t be able to stuff Guida’s takedown the whole time and he doesn’t have to power to knockout Clay.
It’s possible Florian could submit him, but Clay is great at avoiding submissions. I expect him to be even better at it with Greg Jackson’s training.
To me the real question is if Guda can finish the fight or takes it by decision.
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JRN, I don’t see how KenFlo could win a decision either. He’d have to keep the fight standing and outpoint Guida on the feet. There is no way Kenny is going to be able to be able to keep the fight standing.
Kenny’s only chance is to pull off a submission, and that’s pretty hard to do with Guida. I expect it will be even harder since Clay has been training with Jackson’s camp.
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He’d have to keep the fight standing and outpoint Guida on the feet.
If he gets taken down over and over, I see two options:
1) Stall for standups.
2) Sanchez-style elbows from the bottom.
Both strategies benefit from the fact that Guida isn’t really the most active dude from the top (contrary to his reputation as an exciting fighter, which I honestly think is about 90% snarling and hair).
This one is hard to call
but I hope Kenny wins just because I don’t like Guida’s style. I like Guida’s pace and energy, etc. but his striking sucks and he doesn’t ever pass guard or even look like a fighter. That being said, it wouldn’t surprise me if he pulled out a split decision.
Hadoken!!
First off to say that Guida has no chance to win this fight is simply a silly statement. Guida has faced a sharktank of LW’s in the UFC and aside from the Huerta loss he hasn’t lost another bout that wasn’t a bullshit judges decision.
Second the obssession with Guida’s striking baffles me, the guy uses his striking to set up takedown and he’s actually gotten much better at that in the past few fights.
Third, it’s just silly to make Clay out to be some run of the mill guy at LW instead of one of the top fighters in the world in that division. The fact can people keep doubting this guy is beyond me, the only chance Kenny has of winning this fight to me is if he gets bs judges decsion which considering Guida’s luck isn’t out of the question sadly.
I seriously don’t know who this is aimed at. I never said he had no chance, and his striking is horrible. That’s my opinion, and I’m sticking to it. Sure, he doesn’t absolutely need good striking, but it sure would give him a less one-dimensional gameplan.
It’s pretty easy to keep doubting Guida. He’s 5-4 in the UFC, and he hasn’t beaten a top tier guy yet. He gets close, but he has glaring deficiencies in his game.
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by Leland Roling on Dec 11, 2009 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
Saying he’s 5-4 without putting it into context is weak, Gudia has been robbed more than anyother fighter in mma history. So while you bring up how he hasn’t beaten any top LW’s which he has, i’ll just look at the tapes of him making life a real nightmare on guys like Griffin and Sanchez and call bs on that all day long.

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